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Claudius Denk
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 Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: Review of Jim Moore>s Anti AAT Website |
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On Nov 16, 5:10 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 16, 2:54 am, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
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http://www.aquaticape.org/whataat.html
Jim Moore:
Marc Verhaegen now also often takes umbrage if you critique an AAT/H
claim that he doesn>t make himself. But then taking umbrage seems to
be a specialty with him; his online method tends toward gratuitous
insults, often as the sole content of his newsgroup posts, and
continually reposting the same, non-responsive, paragraphs (earning
him the nickname "macro-man" after the usual technique for doing
that), and, starting from his very first online post in 1998,
comparing his position to Wegener, Galileo, etc. These methods
certainly don>t help his argument, instead placing his online
newsgroup contributions in the realm of the netloon.
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Review of Jim Moore>s Anti-AAT Website:
http://www.aquaticape.org/whataat.html
I took a look at this site. It certainly is comprehensive.
It squashed AAT (AAH) and completely discredits Elaine Morgan.
But it>s kind of like, so what. AAT is so inept and always has
been that it seems like overkill.
The biggest shortcoming of this site is the fact that it glosses
over the fact that conventional theory really doesn>t offer us
any kind of viable alternative. The author, Jim Moore, seems to
be less than forthright in this respect. For example, he states
the following: "The AAT is a theory which seeks to replace well
founded and well argued theoretical views which have been made
for many years." What he fails to bring to the reader>s
attention is that these, "well founded and well argued
theoretical views," have not fared any better than AAT when put
under the bright light of scientific scrutiny. Or so we are left
to assume in that he fails to make any specific mention of what
these, "well founded and well argued theoretical views,"
actually are.
He also glosses over the fact that the consensus in PA has
begrudgingly made a dramatic shift to now accept that
the original hominids (A>piths, Sahalenthropus, Orrorin)
continued to reside in treed habitat for upwards of millions of
years. And he is very careful to not draw attention to the fact
that one result of this shift has been that the traditional models
(might these be the above mentioned, "well founded and well
argued theoretical views?") have been discarded. Like a lot of
the pretenders on this NG (Rick Wagler take note) he suggests
that since it is possible to define a savanna as being, in part,
treed that, therefore, the traditional models persist.
Ironically, the net effect leaves one with the distinct impression
that he is employing the same obfuscation and political tactics
that he, rightly, accuses Elaine Morgan of employing.
IMO, if conventional theorists want to be taken seriously and
not be dismissed the same way they have dismissed AAT they
have to stop employing the Enron-like tactics of pretending not
to notice that they currently have no, "well founded and well
argued theoretical views," and haven>t had any for quite some
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Lee Olsen
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:32 am Post subject: Re: Review of Jim Moore>s Anti AAT Website |
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On Nov 16, 4:33 pm, "Mario Petrinovic" <mario.petrinov...@zg.htnet.hr>
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Lol Claudius, you didn>t look carefuly enough. This site is a joke.
Please, if you find ANY relevant thing from this site, present it to me. I
discussed some things here with Jim Moore, and he didn>t prove anything.
[/quote]
Says who, you? Is that a joke or what? Your lip-service is some kind
of an argument?
Tell us the truth Mario, were you convinced by Verhaegin>s TREE 2002
paper that mountain
beavers are semi-aquatic as they claimed? |
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Marc Verhaegen
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: Re: Review of Jim Moore>s Anti AAT Website |
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[quote]http://www.aquaticape.org/whataat.html
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= misrepresatations, lias, insults...
the imbecility of this netloon is clearly demonstrated by his last
paragraph:
"The reason Verhaegen is such a source of false "facts" and nonsensical
statements is perhaps explained by his incredible admission in response to
someone asking why he believed a particular piece of nonsense: "I once read
it somewhere, and I believe everything what I read, at least until I find
evidence of the opposite." This folks, when it comes to science, is a recipe
for disaster."
the poor guy din>t even realise that this was about this savanna ideas...
:-D |
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Mario Petrinovic
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: Re: Review of Jim Moore>s Anti AAT Website |
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Claudius Denk:
[quote]Review of Jim Moore>s Anti-AAT Website:
http://www.aquaticape.org/whataat.html
I took a look at this site. It certainly is comprehensive.
It squashed AAT (AAH) and completely discredits Elaine Morgan.
But it>s kind of like, so what. AAT is so inept and always has
been that it seems like overkill.
[/quote]
Lol Claudius, you didn>t look carefuly enough. This site is a joke.
Please, if you find ANY relevant thing from this site, present it to me. I
discussed some things here with Jim Moore, and he didn>t prove anything.
I challenge you to present this to me, here. I will not examine
Moore>s site because of understandable reasons (too long, too much BS, and
nothing really relevant). -- Mario Petrinovic |
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Mario Petrinovic
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Review of Jim Moore>s Anti AAT Website |
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Lee Olsen:
Mario Petrinovic:
[quote]Lol Claudius, you didn>t look carefuly enough. This site is a joke.
Please, if you find ANY relevant thing from this site, present it to me. I
discussed some things here with Jim Moore, and he didn>t prove anything.
[/quote]
Says who, you? Is that a joke or what?
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Lol, this was a good one. Unbeatable. Congratulations, you won.
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Your lip-service is some kind of an argument?
Tell us the truth Mario, were you convinced by Verhaegin>s TREE 2002
paper that mountain beavers are semi-aquatic as they claimed?
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Well yes, I claim that AAT is true. But I have no idea of what are
you talking about. Do you have an idea? -- Mario Petrinovic |
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mclark
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Review of Jim Moore>s Anti AAT Website |
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On Nov 17, 12:46 am, "Mario Petrinovic"
<mario.petrinov...@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:
[quote]Lee Olsen:
Mario Petrinovic:
Lol Claudius, you didn>t look carefuly enough. This site is a joke.
Please, if you find ANY relevant thing from this site, present it to me.. I
discussed some things here with Jim Moore, and he didn>t prove anything..
Says who, you? Is that a joke or what?
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Lol, this was a good one. Unbeatable. Congratulations, you won.
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Your lip-service is some kind of an argument?
Tell us the truth Mario, were you convinced by Verhaegin>s TREE 2002
paper that mountain beavers are semi-aquatic as they claimed?
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Well yes, I claim that AAT is true. But I have no idea of what are
you talking about. Do you have an idea? -- Mario Petrinovic
[/quote]
I don>t think you know what ~anyone~ is talking about. And as
such, you make a perfect proponent of the AAT --and a great supporter
of Dimmy and Marco. |
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Mario Petrinovic
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: Review of Jim Moore>s Anti AAT Website |
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mclark:
Mario Petrinovic:
[quote]Lee Olsen:
Mario Petrinovic:
Lol Claudius, you didn>t look carefuly enough. This site is a joke.
Please, if you find ANY relevant thing from this site, present it to me.
I
discussed some things here with Jim Moore, and he didn>t prove anything.
Says who, you? Is that a joke or what?
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Lol, this was a good one. Unbeatable. Congratulations, you won.
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Your lip-service is some kind of an argument?
Tell us the truth Mario, were you convinced by Verhaegin>s TREE 2002
paper that mountain beavers are semi-aquatic as they claimed?
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Well yes, I claim that AAT is true. But I have no idea of what are
you talking about. Do you have an idea? -- Mario Petrinovic
[/quote]
I don>t think you know what ~anyone~ is talking about. And as
such, you make a perfect proponent of the AAT --and a great supporter
of Dimmy and Marco.
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Clark, you are crazy. -- Mario Petrinovic |
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Claudius Denk
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Review of Jim Moore>s Anti AAT Website |
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On Nov 17, 3:59 am, "Mario Petrinovic" <mario.petrinov...@zg.htnet.hr>
wrote:
[quote]mclark:
Mario Petrinovic:
Lee Olsen:
Mario Petrinovic:
Lol Claudius, you didn>t look carefuly enough. This site is a joke.
Please, if you find ANY relevant thing from this site, present it to me.
I
discussed some things here with Jim Moore, and he didn>t prove anything.
Says who, you? Is that a joke or what?
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Lol, this was a good one. Unbeatable. Congratulations, you won.
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Your lip-service is some kind of an argument?
Tell us the truth Mario, were you convinced by Verhaegin>s TREE 2002
paper that mountain beavers are semi-aquatic as they claimed?
-------------------------------------------------------------
Well yes, I claim that AAT is true. But I have no idea of what are
you talking about. Do you have an idea? -- Mario Petrinovic
I don>t think you know what ~anyone~ is talking about. And as
such, you make a perfect proponent of the AAT --and a great supporter
of Dimmy and Marco.
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Clark, you are crazy. -- Mario Petrinovic
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Clark, you are crazy. -- Claudius Denk |
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spiznet
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Review of Jim Moore>s Anti AAT Website |
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On Nov 17, 2:38 pm, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 17, 3:59 am, "Mario Petrinovic" <mario.petrinov...@zg.htnet.hr
wrote:
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Clark, you are crazy. -- Mario Petrinovic
Clark, you are crazy. -- Claudius Denk
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Clark two recommendations in one day its great...you must be basking
in glory!
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mclark
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Review of Jim Moore>s Anti AAT Website |
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On Nov 23, 11:03 am, spiznet <m...@spiznet.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 17, 2:38 pm, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Nov 17, 3:59 am, "Mario Petrinovic" <mario.petrinov...@zg.htnet.hr
wrote:
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Clark, you are crazy. -- Mario Petrinovic
Clark, you are crazy. -- Claudius Denk
Clark two recommendations in one day its great...you must be basking
in glory!
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Yea, could you imagine an ~endorsment~ from those two?
Neither one of them could find their own butts with both hands.
> -spizzy |
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Claudius Denk
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Review of Jim Moore>s Anti AAT Website |
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On Nov 23, 10:12 am, mclark <mbclar...@comcast.net> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 23, 11:03 am, spiznet <m...@spiznet.com> wrote:
On Nov 17, 2:38 pm, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Nov 17, 3:59 am, "Mario Petrinovic" <mario.petrinov...@zg.htnet.hr
wrote:
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Clark, you are crazy. -- Mario Petrinovic
Clark, you are crazy. -- Claudius Denk
Clark two recommendations in one day its great...you must be basking
in glory!
Yea, could you imagine an ~endorsment~ from those two?
Neither one of them could find their own butts with both hands.
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I can>t even imagine how frustrating it must be to be so sure you are
right and so completely unable to say how or why. |
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