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BearMan · Guest

I have spent most of this day researching the story about Chris Dubose, looking at his baby childhood photos, and I have to say that it has been a sobering experience for me. I encourage everyone if you can, to take the time and visit the website his mother set up in his memory @ http://chris.dubose-design.com. Read the entire account and then be grateful for the life you have.

I wish so much that people could understand the hurt and pain that a cruel word or an insensitive comment can make. In this world of faceless communication it is all too easy to forget that there are actual people at the other end of our posts. People with feelings and emotions. Now that I sit and think abut it I have come to realize the anonymity of the matter is not unlike road rage.

"Don>t look at them and you can do anything you want."
"Don>t make eye contact and you can teach them a lesson."
"Cut me off will you? Take this..."

In thinking through this matter I have gone back and looked at my recent participation in this whole mess. I see that at times I have allowed myself to be pushed and frustrated into responding in a less than Christian manner. Who started it and who finished it is irrelevant. When a wise man and a fool argue it becomes difficult to tell one from the other.

I have decided to take a break for a few days and get my thoughts in order. To re-evaluate my priorities and to rethink my mannerisms. My goal is to enlighten and enrich through the sharing of knowledge and experience, not to degrade and berate. I can see where this environment can lead to bitterness and anger, especially in light of a volatile subject such as religion.

The irony is that a man I never knew who died 3 years ago because he felt worthless and isolated has touched my heart and moved me to restore dignity and respect in my dealings with others. I apologize to any I have offended intentionally or not. I welcome open and sincere discussions and if you should lash out from frustration or anxieties, I will strive to do my best to not return eye for eye and should I fail, I pray that I have the ability and strength and courage to acknowledge my error and make amends.

Justin Kase · Guest

In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: BearMan picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
: I have spent most of this day researching the story about Chris
: Dubose, looking at his baby childhood photos, and I have to say
: that it has been a sobering experience for me. I encourage everyone
: if you can, to take the time and visit the website his mother set
: up in his memory @ http://chris.dubose-design.com. Read the entire
: account and then be grateful for the life you have.
====================
There were those who weren>t kind and comforting to Chris at the time he was
in such bad shape. There are those who blame his mother for not doing more,
there were those like jabriol who "poked Chris with a stick" for whatever
cruel reasons they had. Where this pathetic young man needed a friend and
support he found criticism, cruelty and a total lack of compassion in a few
here on the net. This is truly the LAST place a depressed and troubled
person should look for support.
--
Scallion & Justin...
JOH 2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things
hence; make not my Father>s house an house of merchandise like'
the Jehovah>s Witnesses have done by selling books and magazines.
~~~~<~~~~<~~~{@ ~~~~<~~~~<~~~{@ ~~~~<~~~~<~~~{@

jabriol · Guest

"Justin Kase" <false-prophets@TheWickedWTs.net> wrote in message
news:3f33f108@news.isdn.net...
[quote]In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: BearMan picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
: I have spent most of this day researching the story about Chris
: Dubose, looking at his baby childhood photos, and I have to say
: that it has been a sobering experience for me. I encourage everyone
: if you can, to take the time and visit the website his mother set
: up in his memory @ http://chris.dubose-design.com. Read the entire
: account and then be grateful for the life you have.
====================
There were those who weren>t kind and comforting to Chris at the time he
was
in such bad shape.
[/quote]
then he should have been locked up.

[quote]There are those who blame his mother for not doing more,
true.. she should have locked that boy up, right out of womb.[/quote]

[quote]there were those like jabriol who "poked Chris with a stick" for whatever
cruel reasons they had.
[/quote]
And those Like Carol, who use his death to slander and libel all JW>s
after All Carol in various of her thread had made such accusations.
But now that she has been verified as a liar, and been whomped in the mouth,
whwere all liars should get pomeled at.

[quote]Where this pathetic young man needed a friend and
support he found criticism, cruelty and a total lack of compassion in a
few
here on the net.
[/quote]
Evolution in action.. human behave in this fashion.. this is what children
learn at school.

[quote]This is truly the LAST place a depressed and troubled
person should look for support.
[/quote]

my case in point, which years ago you disagreed with.

Mike Krobes & Justin Kase · Guest

In the last exciting spine tingling chapter: jabriol picked up the
keyboard and pecked out:
..
::: ====================
::: There were those who weren>t kind and comforting to Chris at the
::: time he was in such bad shape.
::
:: then he should have been locked up.

## Like YOU should be locked up before you do the same thing to someone
else.

::: There are those who blame his mother for not doing more,

:: true.. she should have locked that boy up, right out of womb.

## Typical compassion from a sociopathic sadist. Next you>ll claim all
children should be aborted or confined to institutions at birth. This post
will be archived. You will one day claim and blame someone for forging
headers. Since you feel mentally ill people should be "put away" why are
you posting to a depression group?

::: there were those like jabriol who "poked Chris with a stick" for
::: whatever cruel reasons they had.
::
:: And those Like Carol, who use his death to slander and libel all
:: JW>s
:: after All Carol in various of her thread had made such accusations.

## MOST people at the time agreed that YOU helped him along.

:: But now that she has been verified as a liar, and been whomped in
:: the mouth, whwere all liars should get pomeled at.

## Womped in the mouth? That makes sense to you? ??? Are still posting
to the woman>s groups that women DESERVE to be beaten and raped?

:: >Where this pathetic young man needed a friend and
::: support he found criticism, cruelty and a total lack of
::: compassion in a few here on the net.
::
:: Evolution in action.. human behave in this fashion.. this is what
:: children learn at school.

## This is what YOU and your Jehovah>s Witness cult teach.

::: This is truly the LAST place a depressed and troubled
::: person should look for support.

:: my case in point, which years ago you disagreed with.

## Get your posters straight. I never thought Usenet could take the place
of therapy for the mentally/emotionally ill. There are too many sociopaths
like YOU here to undo any good someone else may do.
--
Justin Kace......
"Men (like Jabbers) never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal ~ (1623-1662)
==========================================

Wm James · Guest

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:46:17 -0500, "Mike Krobes & Justin Kase"
<false-prophets@TheWickedWTs.net> wrote:

[quote]why are
you posting to a depression group?
[/quote]
Seems to me that you are replying to a troll who is using emotional
suckers like you to flood a lot of groups. This one, for example, is
alt.activism. The threat you are posting to is crossposted to these
groups:

alt.religion.jehovahs-witn
alt.talk.creationism
sci.anthropology.paleo
alt.activism
alt.support.depression

Do you enjoy being a sucker for trolls?

William R. James

jabriol · Guest

"mcldanl" <lummy3744nojunk@charter.net> wrote in message
news:vjao3h27p7shb2@corp.supernews.com...
[quote]Jabriol,

Apparantely you don>t "believe" nor do you follow the practices as a
Jehovah>s Witness. Don>t you know that for a JW to kill an unborn child
that
is a sin?
[/quote]
Carol is an ahteist and an evolutionist. and per evolution, there is no such
thing as sin.
to an atheist, there is no such thing as morals or religious beliefs.
therefore is quite natural to eliminate or kill unborn children. If
evolution and natural selection is correct.

do you belive in evolution? if you do, then you should have no problem with
abortion. No atheist does.

[quote]And also that is someone harms a pregnany woman and causes the
baby harm that is a sin also.
Children that were born defective were left for lion bait where? When did
this happen?
Why are you so wicked jabriol ?
[/quote]
I evolved that way?.. in any case if you were bright enough you would
understand the thread, but when you slice into a thread, with very little
knowledge, you don>t have a clue of waht really taken place.

beside in evolutuion and atheism there is no such things as evil.

Adam H. · Guest

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:12:20 -0400, "jabriol" <jabriol@hotmail.com>
wrote:

[quote]
"mcldanl" <lummy3744nojunk@charter.net> wrote in message
news:vjao3h27p7shb2@corp.supernews.com...
Jabriol,

Apparantely you don>t "believe" nor do you follow the practices as a
Jehovah>s Witness. Don>t you know that for a JW to kill an unborn child
that
is a sin?

Carol is an ahteist and an evolutionist. and per evolution, there is no such
thing as sin.
to an atheist, there is no such thing as morals or religious beliefs.
[/quote]
Wrong.

[quote]therefore is quite natural to eliminate or kill unborn children. If
evolution and natural selection is correct.
[/quote]
Wrong.

[quote]
do you belive in evolution? if you do, then you should have no problem with
abortion. No atheist does.
[/quote]
Wrong.

[quote]

And also that is someone harms a pregnany woman and causes the
baby harm that is a sin also.
Children that were born defective were left for lion bait where? When did
this happen?
Why are you so wicked jabriol ?

I evolved that way?.. in any case if you were bright enough you would
understand the thread, but when you slice into a thread, with very little
knowledge, you don>t have a clue of waht really taken place.

beside in evolutuion and atheism there is no such things as evil.
[/quote]
Wrong.

Wrong about everything you wrote. Learn what you>re writing about
before you spout off.

---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson

David Haas · Guest

In article <3f3571e3$0$1282$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, jabriol@hotmail.com
says...
[quote]
"mcldanl" <lummy3744nojunk@charter.net> wrote in message
news:vjao3h27p7shb2@corp.supernews.com...
Jabriol,

Apparantely you don>t "believe" nor do you follow the practices as a
Jehovah>s Witness. Don>t you know that for a JW to kill an unborn child
that
is a sin?

Carol is an ahteist and an evolutionist. and per evolution, there is no such
thing as sin.
to an atheist, there is no such thing as morals or religious beliefs.
therefore is quite natural to eliminate or kill unborn children. If
evolution and natural selection is correct.
[/quote]
Are you sure you are not talking about Christians. I know of no atheists
who believe this. Natural selection is natural selection. It happens
whether you think it does or not.

[quote]do you belive in evolution? if you do, then you should have no problem with
abortion. No atheist does.
Abortion has nothing to do with evolution or atheism. The greatest amount[/quote]
of abortion is spontaneous. Must be God>s will. God is the great
abortionist. God must be an atheist. We know he is an evolutionist.

[quote]And also that is someone harms a pregnany woman and causes the
baby harm that is a sin also.
Children that were born defective were left for lion bait where? When did
this happen?
Why are you so wicked jabriol ?

I evolved that way?.. in any case if you were bright enough you would
understand the thread, but when you slice into a thread, with very little
knowledge, you don>t have a clue of waht really taken place.
[/quote]
Either that or you were dropped on your head as a youngster. Weird ideas
are the result of both genetics and environment.

[quote]beside in evolutuion and atheism there is no such things as evil.

If there was you would probably be in the dictionary under the definition[/quote]
:)

--
------
D. Haas

"Consistency requires you be as ignorant today as you were a year ago."
Bernard Berenson

Nokia · Guest

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:12:20 -0400, "jabriol" <jabriol@hotmail.com>
wrote:

[quote]
do you belive in evolution? if you do, then you should have no problem with
abortion. No atheist does.
[/quote]
How does that work? I>m sure there are plenty of people that do not
believe in god but are against killing unborn children.

Or is this more of the same "atheists don>t have morals" crap?

--
Highpriest in the Church Of The Invisible Pink Unicorn
(blessed be her holy hooves)

jabriol · Guest

"David Haas" <dhaas@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.199f4378406871599898b0@news-server.nc.rr.com...
[quote]In article <3f3571e3$0$1282$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
jabriol@hotmail.com
says...

"mcldanl" <lummy3744nojunk@charter.net> wrote in message
news:vjao3h27p7shb2@corp.supernews.com...
Jabriol,

Apparantely you don>t "believe" nor do you follow the practices as a
Jehovah>s Witness. Don>t you know that for a JW to kill an unborn
child
that
is a sin?

Carol is an ahteist and an evolutionist. and per evolution, there is no
such
thing as sin.
to an atheist, there is no such thing as morals or religious beliefs.
therefore is quite natural to eliminate or kill unborn children. If
evolution and natural selection is correct.

Are you sure you are not talking about Christians. I know of no atheists
who believe this. Natural selection is natural selection. It happens
whether you think it does or not.
[/quote]
as taught in the public school system of america. that why the villa nova
professor, sliced her mongoloid child in the throught.. Natural selection in
action.

[quote]

do you belive in evolution? if you do, then you should have no problem
with
abortion. No atheist does.
Abortion has nothing to do with evolution or atheism.
[/quote]
yes it does.. how many women kill their preborn to keep their career.

did you know that in india, baby girls are aborted? why?
natural selction has determined that there a too many people, hence
abortion.

children learn this in school..

ask Philip.

[quote]The greatest amount
of abortion is spontaneous.
[/quote]
which science call "miscarraige"

abortion is done with intent.

[quote]Must be God>s will. God is the great
abortionist. God must be an atheist.
[/quote]
Per atheism and evolution.. there is no God, therefore your above statement
is bogus.

.
[quote]
And also that is someone harms a pregnany woman and causes the
baby harm that is a sin also.
Children that were born defective were left for lion bait where? When
did
this happen?
Why are you so wicked jabriol ?

I evolved that way?.. in any case if you were bright enough you would
understand the thread, but when you slice into a thread, with very
little
knowledge, you don>t have a clue of waht really taken place.

Either that or you were dropped on your head as a youngster. Weird ideas
are the result of both genetics and environment.
[/quote]
well I was dropped, can>t deny the truth there.

[quote]

beside in evolutuion and atheism there is no such things as evil.

If there was you would probably be in the dictionary under the definition
:)

--
[/quote]
but per atheism and evolution there isn>t.

jabriol · Guest

"Nokia" <nokiamail@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:n7vajvkccu9dl40jsdrrc3k0h9bfh8g3ha@4ax.com...
[quote]On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:12:20 -0400, "jabriol" <jabriol@hotmail.com
wrote:

do you belive in evolution? if you do, then you should have no problem
with
abortion. No atheist does.

How does that work? I>m sure there are plenty of people that do not
believe in god but are against killing unborn children.
[/quote]
ask them..

abortion is just population control by natural selection.. that why school
conselar in some states will take a pregnant girl to get the preborn ape,
removed.

[quote]
Or is this more of the same "atheists don>t have morals" crap?
[/quote]

is homosexuality moral?

[quote]
)[/quote]

jabriol · Guest

"Kooter" <cbowlingNOSPAM@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:bh40u2$u7a$1@slb9.atl.mindspring.net...
[quote]
"jabriol" <jabriol@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f3571e3$0$1282$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

"mcldanl" <lummy3744nojunk@charter.net> wrote in message
news:vjao3h27p7shb2@corp.supernews.com...
Jabriol,

Apparantely you don>t "believe" nor do you follow the practices as a
Jehovah>s Witness. Don>t you know that for a JW to kill an unborn
child
that
is a sin?

Carol is an ahteist and an evolutionist. and per evolution, there is no
such
thing as sin.
to an atheist, there is no such thing as morals or religious beliefs.
therefore is quite natural to eliminate or kill unborn children. If
evolution and natural selection is correct.

do you belive in evolution? if you do, then you should have no problem
with
abortion. No atheist does.

And also that is someone harms a pregnany woman and causes the
baby harm that is a sin also.
Children that were born defective were left for lion bait where? When
did
this happen?
Why are you so wicked jabriol ?

I evolved that way?.. in any case if you were bright enough you would
understand the thread, but when you slice into a thread, with very
little
knowledge, you don>t have a clue of waht really taken place.

beside in evolutuion and atheism there is no such things as evil.

Wow! This sounds so witless that I>d almost think you were a troll.

Wait-a-minute. Looking at the stack of ng>s this was crossposted to maybe
you are a troll.

In the event that you>re just plain stupid and not a troll, let me say
that
theists don>t have the market cornered on morality. In fact, I>d venture a
guess that generally speaking atheists (and agnostics) have a better moral
foundation than theists.
[/quote]
per evolution, human morals change with the need to continue.
but will change if there is too many people,
hence the homosexual gene.. homosexuals can not reproduce among themselves.

[quote]Atheists don>t have some jerk in a pulpit making
decisions about right and wrong for them or some fool in a mosque telling
them to go out and kill people because they don>t subscribe to the same
beliefs.
[/quote]
so atheist do not support president Iraqui conquest?

[quote]Atheists have to actually think about morality before they go out
an make decisions that impact the lives of others.
[/quote]
like killing a preborn child?

Nokia · Guest

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 20:27:27 -0400, "jabriol" <jabriol@hotmail.com>
wrote:

[quote]
"Nokia" <nokiamail@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:n7vajvkccu9dl40jsdrrc3k0h9bfh8g3ha@4ax.com...
On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:12:20 -0400, "jabriol" <jabriol@hotmail.com
wrote:

do you belive in evolution? if you do, then you should have no problem
with
abortion. No atheist does.

How does that work? I>m sure there are plenty of people that do not
believe in god but are against killing unborn children.

ask them..
[/quote]

[quote]abortion is just population control by natural selection.. that why school
conselar in some states will take a pregnant girl to get the preborn ape,
removed.
[/quote]
Not having an abortion is natural selection too. First, try to find
out what natural selection actually means before making statements
about it.

[quote]
Or is this more of the same "atheists don>t have morals" crap?

is homosexuality moral?
[/quote]
Yes it is.

Almost a troll, just keep going.

--
Highpriest in the Church Of The Invisible Pink Unicorn
(blessed be her holy hooves)

Prominent Bethelite · Guest

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 06:54:45 GMT JW "BearMan" <Al@PraiseTheDay.net> wrote:

[quote]I have decided to take a break for a few days and get my thoughts in
order. To re-evaluate my priorities [snip] I can see where this
environment can lead to bitterness and anger, especially in light of a
volatile subject such as religion [snip] I apologize to any I have
offended [snip] I pray that I have the ability and strength and courage to
acknowledge my error and make amends.
[/quote]

Now, what was this little JW sneak and forger talking about?

A. Taking a break from Usenet or at least alt.religion.jehovahs-witn; or

B. Taking a break from his idiotic, God-dishonoring Watchtower Cult of
"TELLING LIES TO PROTECT JEHOVAH>S NAME" (LOL!); or

C. Was he just lying, a common JW trait. All baptized JWs are compelled to
go to a special school to teach them how to lie convincingly - it is called
"Theocratic Ministry School". As the JW word for lying is "Theocratic War
Strategy" ("those who oppose us are not entitled to hear the truth" - as
the Watchtower has repeatedly taught - see the links in my sig), you can
quickly understand what their "school" is all about. ;-)

Context makes it clear it was either A. or B. or both, or just LYING.

You can see the idiot Bearman>s post at:
http://google.com/groups?selm=VOHYa.68$dj3.10308@nnrp1.ptd.net

But also see:

http://google.com/groups?selm=jEJYa.75$dj3.10736@nnrp1.ptd.net
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:59:59 GMT From: "BearMan" <Al@PraiseTheDay.net>

http://google.com/groups?selm=YZRYa.141$dj3.17226@nnrp1.ptd.net>
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 18:29:12 GMT From: "BearMan" <Al@PraiseTheDay.net>

http://google.com/groups?selm=MT2Za.209$dj3.26721@nnrp1.ptd.net>
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 09:10:04 GMT From: "BearMan" <Al@PraiseTheDay.net>

http://google.com/groups?selm=Et3Za.211$dj3.26885@nnrp1.ptd.net>
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 09:50:28 GMT From: "BearMan" <Al@PraiseTheDay.net>

All these are posts by him in arj-w made after the "taking a break" post.

Ergo, we have eliminated A.

So, is it B. or C. ?

Is the forger leaving the Jehovah>s Witlesses (if so, congratulations - I
will help you), or was he just lying in fine "theocratic" style?

Time will tell. ;-)

JWs in good standing typically don>t last long in arj-w. The exceptions
are myself (because they can>t find me), that disgusting
spiritual-fornicater Mark Moronson (and outpourer of porneia: read his
posts, you can TELL that he knows it is all ONE BIG LIE FROM START TO END,
but he persists with his wicked, malevolent "justifications" i.e.
fabrications and lies) and, of course, our dear jW angel, Jabriol (aka Tony
Santana) who is the "bestest" official representative of the Jehovah>s
Witnesses Cult on the net.

So, JW Bearman, while on the way out don>t let the door hit you on your
ursine ass. For:

***************************************************************************
The Watchtower Society and the Jehovah>s Witnesses Cult is an embodiment of
SPIRITUAL PORNOGRAPHY, a WOLFISH TRICK, a MOST FILTHY LIE, a CHEAT, a SCAM,
a DISGUSTING ABOMINATION, a BLASPHEMOUS INSULT, a WICKED FRAUD, a DISGRACE,
a SCANDAL, a PEDOPHILE PARADISE - and a DAMNED OUTRAGE from start to finish
***************************************************************************

And on the third day, God said:
"Let there be div(D)=Pf, div(B)=0, curl(E)=-dB/dt, curl(H)=jf+dD/dt."
And there was light."

Love

Prominent Bethelite.

Examples of FINE SPIRITUAL FOOD AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME FROM "THE SLAVE":
"We need not here repeat the evidences that the 'seventh trump' began its
sounding in A.D. 1840, and will continue until the end of the time of
trouble" {WT Nov 1880 p1}; "masturbation is no mere innocent pastime but
rather a practice that can lead to homosexual acts" {WT May 15 1970 p315;
also WT Oct 1 1970 p604}; "If heaven were made the receptacle of the
heathen, savages, barbarians, the idiotic, simple, insane and INFANTS, it
would cease to be heaven to a considerable extent, and become a pandemonium
.. billions of ignorant, imbecile and degraded .. never formed characters
[not] fit companions for saints" {WT Oct 15 1896 p245} Fine JW Wisdom!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

THE LIST OF AMAZING JEHOVAH>S WITNESSES' CLAIMS, BELIEFS & PREDICTIONS
Prepared by MYSELF may be found at the following websites:-
http://www.freeminds.org/history/part1.htm
http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm
http://localsonly.wilmington.net/jmalik/TheList.zip
http://www.concordance.com/watchtower.htm

Kooter · Guest

"jabriol" <jabriol@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f359338$0$1295$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
[quote]
"Kooter" <cbowlingNOSPAM@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:bh40u2$u7a$1@slb9.atl.mindspring.net...
[/quote]
<snip>

[quote]In the event that you>re just plain stupid and not a troll, let me say
that
theists don>t have the market cornered on morality. In fact, I>d venture
a
guess that generally speaking atheists (and agnostics) have a better
moral
foundation than theists.

per evolution, human morals change with the need to continue.
but will change if there is too many people,
hence the homosexual gene.. homosexuals can not reproduce among
themselves.[/quote]

Homosexuality has been documented in ancient China, ancient Greece, and even
all the way back to Mesopotamia. Are you saying that there have been too
many people since the dawn of human civilization?

Please, get real.

[quote]Atheists don>t have some jerk in a pulpit making
decisions about right and wrong for them or some fool in a mosque
telling
them to go out and kill people because they don>t subscribe to the same
beliefs.

so atheist do not support president Iraqui conquest?
[/quote]
I have no idea what you>re trying to say here.

[quote]Atheists have to actually think about morality before they go out
an make decisions that impact the lives of others.

like killing a preborn child?
[/quote]
There are plenty of cases of knocked up catholic school girls using coat
hangers to take care of that little inconvenience.

If you>re trying to liftoff on those wings of moral superiority you might
want to gather a little more speed cause you just ain>t gettin it. BTW, I
see you snipped my jab about priests molesting little altar boys. Why is
that?


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