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 Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 7:47 am Post subject: Re: Remember the value of life... all life |
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At some point in the past, junegill <junegill@btinternet.com> slavered,
and posted this:
[quote]"Doug Semler" <doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote in message
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Mmmm, I don>t know that I can accept the logic that concludes there
must be a force responsible for the ultimate reality, in the same
vein that I cannot accept that there must be a force responsible for
our (objective) reality.
Yes, I wouldn>t like to argue the logic of my conclusion above, and I
think my difficulty is trying to imagine an ultimate reality - our
objective reality, as you put it, seems totally real to me.
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But now that you see it in this light, do you see how someone that is
"religious" can also be "atheist?"
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I know my pagan friend believes that upon death of the body (whether
it be animal, plant, or whatever), the energy which caused the body
to be defined as "living" in our world is returned to the overall
energy of the universe; this energy can coalesce into a new being in
the future. She also considers herself to be atheist, as she
doesn>t believe there is a supreme being.
Well, our atoms return to the world or universe one way or another
and will take their energy with them. I can>t see how they could
spontaneously coalesce into a new being, but I remember once reading
a 'proof' that any one of us could have one or more of the atoms
which once occupied the thumb of Moses or Julius Caesar ... it was
tempting to believe it.
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Lol, I think I saw this 'proof' myself. Of course, when I was talking about
energy, I was talking metaphysical energy, or spirit/soul/ghost/etc. In
that sense, she is religious, because there is a subjective/supernatural
reality outside of this (objective) reality.
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Doug Semler
http://home.wideopenwest.com/~doug_semler
a.a. #705, BAAWA. EAC Guardian of the Horn of the IPU (pbuhh).
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cactus
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Remember the value of life... all life |
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Personally I think that our Universe is everywhere discontinuous and that
G-d inhabits the discontinuities.
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"Doug Semler" <doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote in message
news:_WKdnYqGX5vEfN-iXTWJig@wideopenwest.com...
At some point in the past, junegill <junegill@btinternet.com> slavered,
and posted this:
"Doug Semler" <doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote in message
news:Q6mcnWq_baUkCKaiXTWJiQ@wideopenwest.com...
Mmmm, I don>t know that I can accept the logic that concludes there
must be a force responsible for the ultimate reality, in the same
vein that I cannot accept that there must be a force responsible for
our (objective) reality.
Yes, I wouldn>t like to argue the logic of my conclusion above, and I
think my difficulty is trying to imagine an ultimate reality - our
objective reality, as you put it, seems totally real to me.
But now that you see it in this light, do you see how someone that is
"religious" can also be "atheist?"
Oh indeed, yes. I suppose that most beliefs in mysticism of various kinds
can be called religions even though those beliefs don>t include a deity.
I know my pagan friend believes that upon death of the body (whether
it be animal, plant, or whatever), the energy which caused the body
to be defined as "living" in our world is returned to the overall
energy of the universe; this energy can coalesce into a new being in
the future. She also considers herself to be atheist, as she
doesn>t believe there is a supreme being.
Well, our atoms return to the world or universe one way or another
and will take their energy with them. I can>t see how they could
spontaneously coalesce into a new being, but I remember once reading
a 'proof' that any one of us could have one or more of the atoms
which once occupied the thumb of Moses or Julius Caesar ... it was
tempting to believe it.
Lol, I think I saw this 'proof' myself. Of course, when I was talking
about
energy, I was talking metaphysical energy, or spirit/soul/ghost/etc. In
that sense, she is religious, because there is a subjective/supernatural
reality outside of this (objective) reality.
Right. Another interesting hypothesis I came across was that the mind,
soul, or some sort of life force or energy is to be found in the
microtubules of the cells (probably the cells of the brain - I can>t
remember). I>ve found nothing on the Net about it (but I>m not very good
at
finding what I want), but Dr Stephen Pinker was mentioned in the next
breath, so I>ve bought his book 'How the Mind Works' and am currently
halfway through it ... but nothing about microtubules so far - I>ll let
you
know if I find anything.
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June G
# 364
http://www.jgdodworth.demon.co.uk
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