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Healer dies after failing to treat a foot wound
17 November 2008
By Clare Semke
Health reporter
A healing therapist who refused to see a doctor died after developing
gangrene in his leg.
Russell Jenkins injured his left foot treading on an electrical plug
at his home.
The wound later became infected, but the 52-year-old shunned
conventional treatment, saying his 'inner being' told him not to go to
hospital.
Instead he tried treating it with honey, an ancient remedy for the
treatment of infected wounds.
But gangrene spread to his leg and he later died.
Mr Jenkins, who ran the Quiet Mind Centre from his home in Lorne Road,
Southsea, had injured his foot in December 2006.
He developed an inch-long ulcer, leading to gangrene which later
spread to his leg.
Mr Jenkins, a diabetic, sought advice from homeopath Susan Finn in
April 2007, who suggested he treat it with Manuka honey, but she said
he did not want to see a doctor and would not go to hospital.
He died in the early hours of April 17 from gangrene caused by a mixed
bacterial infection. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:46 am Post subject: Re: "Alternative Health" quackery causes death |
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On Nov 18, 8:02 pm, humbert.engled...@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/Healer-dies-after-failing-to.4699316.jp
Healer dies after failing to treat a foot wound
17 November 2008
By Clare Semke
Health reporter
A healing therapist who refused to see a doctor died after developing
gangrene in his leg.
Russell Jenkins injured his left foot treading on an electrical plug
at his home.
The wound later became infected, but the 52-year-old shunned
conventional treatment, saying his 'inner being' told him not to go to
hospital.
Instead he tried treating it with honey, an ancient remedy for the
treatment of infected wounds.
But gangrene spread to his leg and he later died.
Mr Jenkins, who ran the Quiet Mind Centre from his home in Lorne Road,
Southsea, had injured his foot in December 2006.
He developed an inch-long ulcer, leading to gangrene which later
spread to his leg.
Mr Jenkins, a diabetic, sought advice from homeopath Susan Finn in
April 2007, who suggested he treat it with Manuka honey, but she said
he did not want to see a doctor and would not go to hospital.
He died in the early hours of April 17 from gangrene caused by a mixed
bacterial infection.
[/quote]
If the honey was the the only treatment he used,
oral and/or topical, he chose the wrong treatment.
Also, he was diabetc. Poor circulation in the feet,
foot ulcers, and gangrene are common to diabetics. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:14 am Post subject: Re: "Alternative Health" quackery causes death |
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rpautrey2 wrote:
[quote]On Nov 18, 8:02�pm, humbert.engled...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/Healer-dies-after-failing-to.4699316.jp
Healer dies after failing to treat a foot wound
17 November 2008
By Clare Semke
Health reporter
A healing therapist who refused to see a doctor died after developing
gangrene in his leg.
Russell Jenkins injured his left foot treading on an electrical plug
at his home.
The wound later became infected, but the 52-year-old shunned
conventional treatment, saying his 'inner being' told him not to go to
hospital.
Instead he tried treating it with honey, an ancient remedy for the
treatment of infected wounds.
But gangrene spread to his leg and he later died.
Mr Jenkins, who ran the Quiet Mind Centre from his home in Lorne Road,
Southsea, had injured his foot in December 2006.
He developed an inch-long ulcer, leading to gangrene which later
spread to his leg.
Mr Jenkins, a diabetic, sought advice from homeopath Susan Finn in
April 2007, who suggested he treat it with Manuka honey, but she said
he did not want to see a doctor and would not go to hospital.
He died in the early hours of April 17 from gangrene caused by a mixed
bacterial infection.
If the honey was the the only treatment he used,
oral and/or topical, he chose the wrong treatment.
Also, he was diabetc. Poor circulation in the feet,
foot ulcers, and gangrene are common to diabetics.
[/quote]
....whereas as any child could tell you, a simple course of antibiotics
would have cleared-up the infection in about 3 days, something neither
this dippy practitioner of holistic flumblumblum nor his nincompoop
Homeopath seemed capable of understanding. |
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olde.sault
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: Re: "Alternative Health" quackery causes death |
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On Nov 18, 7:14 pm, humbert.engled...@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]rpautrey2 wrote:
On Nov 18, 8:02 pm, humbert.engled...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/Healer-dies-after-failing-to.4699316.jp
Healer dies after failing to treat a foot wound
17 November 2008
By Clare Semke
Health reporter
A healing therapist who refused to see a doctor died after developing
gangrene in his leg.
Russell Jenkins injured his left foot treading on an electrical plug
at his home.
The wound later became infected, but the 52-year-old shunned
conventional treatment, saying his 'inner being' told him not to go to
hospital.
Instead he tried treating it with honey, an ancient remedy for the
treatment of infected wounds.
But gangrene spread to his leg and he later died.
Mr Jenkins, who ran the Quiet Mind Centre from his home in Lorne Road,
Southsea, had injured his foot in December 2006.
He developed an inch-long ulcer, leading to gangrene which later
spread to his leg.
Mr Jenkins, a diabetic, sought advice from homeopath Susan Finn in
April 2007, who suggested he treat it with Manuka honey, but she said
he did not want to see a doctor and would not go to hospital.
He died in the early hours of April 17 from gangrene caused by a mixed
bacterial infection.
If the honey was the the only treatment he used,
oral and/or topical, he chose the wrong treatment.
Also, he was diabetc. Poor circulation in the feet,
foot ulcers, and gangrene are common to diabetics.
...whereas as any child could tell you, a simple course of antibiotics
would have cleared-up the infection in about 3 days, something neither
this dippy practitioner of holistic flumblumblum nor his nincompoop
Homeopath seemed capable of understanding.- Hide quoted text -
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[/quote]
Seems that he had to practise what he preached.
O.S. |
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pautrey2
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: Re: "Alternative Health" quackery causes death |
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[quote]...whereas as any child could tell you, a simple course of antibiotics
would have cleared-up the infection in about 3 days
[/quote]
humbert.engled,
There are numerous natural and/or alternative
antibiotics that would do the same. Three days?
How do you know? Psychic?
Paul
On Nov 18, 9:14 pm, humbert.engled...@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]rpautrey2 wrote:
On Nov 18, 8:02 pm, humbert.engled...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/Healer-dies-after-failing-to.4699316.jp
Healer dies after failing to treat a foot wound
17 November 2008
By Clare Semke
Health reporter
A healing therapist who refused to see a doctor died after developing
gangrene in his leg.
Russell Jenkins injured his left foot treading on an electrical plug
at his home.
The wound later became infected, but the 52-year-old shunned
conventional treatment, saying his 'inner being' told him not to go to
hospital.
Instead he tried treating it with honey, an ancient remedy for the
treatment of infected wounds.
But gangrene spread to his leg and he later died.
Mr Jenkins, who ran the Quiet Mind Centre from his home in Lorne Road,
Southsea, had injured his foot in December 2006.
He developed an inch-long ulcer, leading to gangrene which later
spread to his leg.
Mr Jenkins, a diabetic, sought advice from homeopath Susan Finn in
April 2007, who suggested he treat it with Manuka honey, but she said
he did not want to see a doctor and would not go to hospital.
He died in the early hours of April 17 from gangrene caused by a mixed
bacterial infection.
If the honey was the the only treatment he used,
oral and/or topical, he chose the wrong treatment.
Also, he was diabetc. Poor circulation in the feet,
foot ulcers, and gangrene are common to diabetics.
...whereas as any child could tell you, a simple course of antibiotics
would have cleared-up the infection in about 3 days, something neither
this dippy practitioner of holistic flumblumblum nor his nincompoop
Homeopath seemed capable of understanding.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -[/quote] |
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rpautrey2
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:30 am Post subject: Re: "Alternative Health" quackery causes death |
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Read the book, 'Cupping A Corpse'.
There is an entire chapter on the subject
of self treatment of diabetic foot ulcers
and gangrene, and the results from a
poor treatment choice.
On Nov 18, 9:14 pm, humbert.engled...@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]rpautrey2 wrote:
On Nov 18, 8:02 pm, humbert.engled...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/Healer-dies-after-failing-to.4699316.jp
Healer dies after failing to treat a foot wound
17 November 2008
By Clare Semke
Health reporter
A healing therapist who refused to see a doctor died after developing
gangrene in his leg.
Russell Jenkins injured his left foot treading on an electrical plug
at his home.
The wound later became infected, but the 52-year-old shunned
conventional treatment, saying his 'inner being' told him not to go to
hospital.
Instead he tried treating it with honey, an ancient remedy for the
treatment of infected wounds.
But gangrene spread to his leg and he later died.
Mr Jenkins, who ran the Quiet Mind Centre from his home in Lorne Road,
Southsea, had injured his foot in December 2006.
He developed an inch-long ulcer, leading to gangrene which later
spread to his leg.
Mr Jenkins, a diabetic, sought advice from homeopath Susan Finn in
April 2007, who suggested he treat it with Manuka honey, but she said
he did not want to see a doctor and would not go to hospital.
He died in the early hours of April 17 from gangrene caused by a mixed
bacterial infection.
If the honey was the the only treatment he used,
oral and/or topical, he chose the wrong treatment.
Also, he was diabetc. Poor circulation in the feet,
foot ulcers, and gangrene are common to diabetics.
...whereas as any child could tell you, a simple course of antibiotics
would have cleared-up the infection in about 3 days, something neither
this dippy practitioner of holistic flumblumblum nor his nincompoop
Homeopath seemed capable of understanding.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -[/quote] |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: Re: "Alternative Health" quackery causes death |
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On Nov 18, 7:14 pm, humbert.engled...@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]rpautrey2 wrote:
On Nov 18, 8:02 pm, humbert.engled...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/Healer-dies-after-failing-to.4699316.jp
Healer dies after failing to treat a foot wound
17 November 2008
By Clare Semke
Health reporter
A healing therapist who refused to see a doctor died after developing
gangrene in his leg.
Russell Jenkins injured his left foot treading on an electrical plug
at his home.
The wound later became infected, but the 52-year-old shunned
conventional treatment, saying his 'inner being' told him not to go to
hospital.
Instead he tried treating it with honey, an ancient remedy for the
treatment of infected wounds.
But gangrene spread to his leg and he later died.
Mr Jenkins, who ran the Quiet Mind Centre from his home in Lorne Road,
Southsea, had injured his foot in December 2006.
He developed an inch-long ulcer, leading to gangrene which later
spread to his leg.
Mr Jenkins, a diabetic, sought advice from homeopath Susan Finn in
April 2007, who suggested he treat it with Manuka honey, but she said
he did not want to see a doctor and would not go to hospital.
He died in the early hours of April 17 from gangrene caused by a mixed
bacterial infection.
If the honey was the the only treatment he used,
oral and/or topical, he chose the wrong treatment.
Also, he was diabetc. Poor circulation in the feet,
foot ulcers, and gangrene are common to diabetics.
...whereas as any child could tell you, a simple course of antibiotics
would have cleared-up the infection in about 3 days, something neither
this dippy practitioner of holistic flumblumblum nor his nincompoop
Homeopath seemed capable of understanding.
[/quote]
Erp...hold your horses there boy. If as the reports state he
was a diabetic, diabetic can reach a condition were the
best conventional treatment will fail. It would seem
he was in a bad way. The man may have as much
wanted out of it even by death rather than being a true
believer in some or another form of Alt medicine.
I do agree with you about Homeopathy.
Honey might be helpful in someone who is young,
healthy, and injured, say on the battle
field in some war between for example
Romans and the Parthians/Germanic tribes/Jews/Greeks etc.
Honey does have antiseptic properties.
Which may be why Mead causes such a hangover.
Mead the drink of my ancestors;-)
The long boats are coming.........Trig |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: Re: "Alternative Health" quackery causes death |
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trigonometry1972@gmail.com | wrote:
[quote]On Nov 18, 7:14�pm, humbert.engled...@gmail.com wrote:
rpautrey2 wrote:
On Nov 18, 8:02 pm, humbert.engled...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/Healer-dies-after-failing-to.4699316.jp
Healer dies after failing to treat a foot wound
17 November 2008
By Clare Semke
Health reporter
A healing therapist who refused to see a doctor died after developing
gangrene in his leg.
Russell Jenkins injured his left foot treading on an electrical plug
at his home.
The wound later became infected, but the 52-year-old shunned
conventional treatment, saying his 'inner being' told him not to go to
hospital.
Instead he tried treating it with honey, an ancient remedy for the
treatment of infected wounds.
But gangrene spread to his leg and he later died.
Mr Jenkins, who ran the Quiet Mind Centre from his home in Lorne Road,
Southsea, had injured his foot in December 2006.
He developed an inch-long ulcer, leading to gangrene which later
spread to his leg.
Mr Jenkins, a diabetic, sought advice from homeopath Susan Finn in
April 2007, who suggested he treat it with Manuka honey, but she said
he did not want to see a doctor and would not go to hospital.
He died in the early hours of April 17 from gangrene caused by a mixed
bacterial infection.
If the honey was the the only treatment he used,
oral and/or topical, he chose the wrong treatment.
Also, he was diabetc. Poor circulation in the feet,
foot ulcers, and gangrene are common to diabetics.
...whereas as any child could tell you, a simple course of antibiotics
would have cleared-up the infection in about 3 days, something neither
this dippy practitioner of holistic flumblumblum nor his nincompoop
Homeopath seemed capable of understanding.
Erp...hold your horses there boy. If as the reports state he
was a diabetic, diabetic can reach a condition were the
best conventional treatment will fail.
[/quote]
He injured himself in December, and died in April. Antibiotics taken
anytime during that period would have cleared up his problem in about
3 days. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:14 am Post subject: Re: "Alternative Health" quackery causes death |
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pautrey2 wrote:
[quote]...whereas as any child could tell you, a simple course of antibiotics
would have cleared-up the infection in about 3 days
humbert.engled,
There are numerous natural and/or alternative
antibiotics that would do the same.
[/quote]
This guy seemed to believe that, too - it killed him. What>s an
"alternative" antibiotic?
[quote]Three days?
[/quote]
Yes.
[quote]How do you know? Psychic?
[/quote]
That>s how antibiotics work. You do understand biology? |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: Re: "Alternative Health" quackery causes death |
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Let>s hope that this case serves as a wake up call to anyone tempted
to follow in his footsteps: honey doesn>t cure gangrene, and failing
to seek advice from the world of evidence-based medicine can be fatal.
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On Nov 19, 3:14 am, true.blue.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]pautrey2 wrote:
...whereas as any child could tell you, a simple course of antibiotics
would have cleared-up the infection in about 3 days
humbert.engled,
There are numerous natural and/or alternative
antibiotics that would do the same.
This guy seemed to believe that, too - it killed him. What>s an
"alternative" antibiotic?
Three days?
Yes.
How do you know? Psychic?
That>s how antibiotics work. You do understand biology?
[/quote]
Sadly, no, he does not understand biology, or chemisty, physics or
reality. He advocates for homeoquackery, which has nothing to do with
science. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: "Alternative Health" quackery causes death |
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Mark Probert wrote:
[quote]On Nov 19, 3:14�am, true.blue.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
pautrey2 wrote:
...whereas as any child could tell you, a simple course of antibiotics
would have cleared-up the infection in about 3 days
humbert.engled,
There are numerous natural and/or alternative
antibiotics that would do the same.
This guy seemed to believe that, too - it killed him. What>s an
"alternative" antibiotic?
Three days?
Yes.
How do you know? Psychic?
That>s how antibiotics work. You do understand biology?
Sadly, no, he does not understand biology, or chemisty, physics or
reality. He advocates for homeoquackery, which has nothing to do with
science.
[/quote]
If they don>t understand basic biology and chemistry, how can they
have opinions on medicine? |
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rpautrey2 wrote:
[quote]On Nov 18, 8:02�pm, humbert.engled...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/Healer-dies-after-failing-to.4699316.jp
Healer dies after failing to treat a foot wound
17 November 2008
By Clare Semke
Health reporter
A healing therapist who refused to see a doctor died after developing
gangrene in his leg.
Russell Jenkins injured his left foot treading on an electrical plug
at his home.
The wound later became infected, but the 52-year-old shunned
conventional treatment, saying his 'inner being' told him not to go to
hospital.
Instead he tried treating it with honey, an ancient remedy for the
treatment of infected wounds.
But gangrene spread to his leg and he later died.
Mr Jenkins, who ran the Quiet Mind Centre from his home in Lorne Road,
Southsea, had injured his foot in December 2006.
He developed an inch-long ulcer, leading to gangrene which later
spread to his leg.
Mr Jenkins, a diabetic, sought advice from homeopath Susan Finn in
April 2007, who suggested he treat it with Manuka honey, but she said
he did not want to see a doctor and would not go to hospital.
He died in the early hours of April 17 from gangrene caused by a mixed
bacterial infection.
If the honey was the the only treatment he used,
oral and/or topical, he chose the wrong treatment.
Also, he was diabetc. Poor circulation in the feet,
foot ulcers, and gangrene are common to diabetics.
[/quote]
Sounds more like he put his foot in it. |
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Mark Probert
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: "Alternative Health" quackery causes death |
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On Nov 19, 6:04 am, true.blue.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]Mark Probert wrote:
On Nov 19, 3:14 am, true.blue.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
pautrey2 wrote:
...whereas as any child could tell you, a simple course of antibiotics
would have cleared-up the infection in about 3 days
humbert.engled,
There are numerous natural and/or alternative
antibiotics that would do the same.
This guy seemed to believe that, too - it killed him. What>s an
"alternative" antibiotic?
Three days?
Yes.
How do you know? Psychic?
That>s how antibiotics work. You do understand biology?
Sadly, no, he does not understand biology, or chemisty, physics or
reality. He advocates for homeoquackery, which has nothing to do with
science.
If they don>t understand basic biology and chemistry, how can they
have opinions on medicine?
[/quote]
They have a right to have an opinion based on idle conjecture, lies,
whatever. If they do not mind looking like a fool when challenged to
produce real science to back up their claims, I have to assume that
they like looking like a fool. |
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rpautrey2
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: "Alternative Health" quackery causes death |
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[quote]reality. He advocates for homeoquackery, which has nothing to do with
science.-
[/quote]
On Nov 19, 4:58 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 19, 3:14 am, true.blue.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
pautrey2 wrote:
...whereas as any child could tell you, a simple course of antibiotics
would have cleared-up the infection in about 3 days
humbert.engled,
There are numerous natural and/or alternative
antibiotics that would do the same.
This guy seemed to believe that, too - it killed him. What>s an
"alternative" antibiotic?
Three days?
Yes.
How do you know? Psychic?
That>s how antibiotics work. You do understand biology?
Sadly, no, he does not understand biology, or chemisty, physics or
reality. He advocates for homeoquackery, which has nothing to do with
science.- Hide quoted text -
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Two Trick Pony,
I never mentioned how I would have
treated the infection nor did I mention
homeopathy. Are you also psychic? Again,
you>re an endless source of criticism, but you
never offer solutions. I have 2 science related
college degrees and you have absolutely no
scientific education or experience. I still think
you>re an idiot and a cyberpunk!
Paul |
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