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D. C. Sessions · Guest

Citizen Jimserac wrote:

[quote]I>m trying to suggest, knowing of well known anti-fungal, anti-
microbial and anti-bacterial
actions of some herbs, that these properties might carrier over to the
realm of Homeopathic dose and is therefore a proper subject
of RESEARCH for people like YOU, who should be in the lab
discovering things instead of wasting time here talking to Citizen
Jimserac.
[/quote]
Why would you want to have the antifungal properties of an herb
reversed and magnified? (Leaving aside, for the moment, that there
is rather less evidence for any such effect than there is for demonic
possession.)

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D. C. Sessions · Guest

Citizen Jimserac wrote:

[quote]On Nov 26, 6:17 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:

POSTINGS PERMANENTLY IGNORED.
[/quote]
Does anyone have a count for the number of times that Mr. Panozzi
has made this claim and then proved it false?

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D. C. Sessions · Guest

Richard Schultz wrote:

[quote]No, to "admit this" is to acknowledge that nature is sometimes very
clever in its application of natural laws. "Alternative" medicine is
based on the belief that there are no natural laws.
[/quote]
That>s not true. "Alternative science" has *lots* of "natural
laws." [1] What "alternative science" doesn>t have is any requirement
that those "natural laws" be consistent with other "natural laws."

[1] E.g. the "law of similars."

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D. C. Sessions · Guest

Citizen Jimserac wrote:
[quote]On Nov 21, 4:11 pm, rpautrey2 <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Why do you continuously call me a homeopath
when in reality I>m not? Describing me as a naturopath
would be far more accurate. Can>t you do better than
that? Your 'Barrett Quackpot Cult' is on the retreat. You
are desperate. There>s no lie a disbarred attorney
won>t tell.

He is an idiot, you are WASTING YOUR TIME
attempting to communicate with him in any way.

He is only interested in innuendo, nothing more.
[/quote]
I have to agree with you that any suggestion that someone
is a homeopath is insulting.

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D. C. Sessions · Guest

Citizen Jimserac wrote:

[quote]The vast majority of standard medical procedures were developed
clinically and DO NOT HAVE DOUBLE BLINDED PLACEBO CONTROLLED
RANDOMIZED TESTS behind them, if THAT is what you mean by "evidence".
[/quote]
Yup. There have been absolutely no double-blind tests of fracture
reduction.

I>m sure that you can enlighten the world on the design of such
an experiment.

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D. C. Sessions · Guest

Richard Schultz wrote:
[quote]In misc.health.alternative Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote:

: So what about the disease theory. I told you I do NOT AGREE with Cees
: ideas, though I have not rejected them - I>m still evaluating, thinking
: about it, reading, LEARNING - something you
: should try before spouting your knee jerk Aristotelian reactions.

Unlike you, I am interested in learning about the real world.
[/quote]
That may be due to your being *able* to learn, period.

Mr. Panozzi may credit the difference to his already knowing everything.

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D. C. Sessions · Guest

Citizen Jimserac wrote:

[quote]Unable to maintain an intellectual defense of his untenable position,
Doctor Schultz has served up "Auntie Stew", the usual insults
sprinkled with words like "liar" etc. etc..
[/quote]
Which you, of course, have totally fisked by the brilliant
strategy of striking everything he wrote and declaring victory.

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Mark Probert · Guest

On Nov 26, 9:20 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 19, 9:47 am, "Mary Ann Palmer" <mapalmer...@earthlink.net
wrote:

First, he made his own choice as was his right. That he made the wrong
choice could very well be that he did not have the correct information.
Alternatives have been suppressed for years. He might better to have used
maggots for the Gangrene. But how and where would he get them? Alternative
Medicine did not cause his death, lack of information did. Perhaps if the
"mainstreamers" would shut up, more helpful information would be easily
available?<humbert.engled...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Quite correct.

You will note that the mainstreamers fall curiously silent at the
several deaths from the unfortunates who relied
on Vioxx
[/quote]
No, idiot, we were not silent. Of course, in your "mind" we need to be
silent to make you bleieve what you believe.

However, when the news broke, many of us wrote that those who covered-
up should be criminally prosecuted. That did not happen, and because
of that, it is likely to happen again.

but the slightest variance in alternative medicine practice
[quote]causes them to act as though it is a threat to civilization -
[/quote]
It is.

[quote]actually it is a threat to the "civilization" of instituiionalized
pharmaceutical companies and their unhealthy allicance
with ONE medical system to the exclusion of all else.
[/quote]
Do you have migraines? Typing crap like that should cause them.

[quote]
A profound threat.

Hence their hysteria.

Citizen Jimserac[/quote]

Mark Probert · Guest

On Nov 26, 9:22 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 19, 10:52 am, rpautrey2 <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote:

MP:
How many college biology courses did you pass?
How many college physics courses did you pass?
How many college microbiology courses did you pass?
How many college geography courses did you pass?
How many college A&P courses did you pass?
How many college electronics courses did you pass?
How many college math courses did you pass?

You>re a two-bit, second rate, disbarred attorney.
There>s no lie you won>t tell.
You have absolutely no scientific background.

You>re an an idiot and a cyberpunk!

Please do NOT respond to the pretentious idiot calling
himself Mark Probert.

Citizen Jimserac
[/quote]
Cannot handle facts and truth, eh?

Mark Probert · Guest

On Nov 26, 9:32 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 21, 4:11 pm, rpautrey2 <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote:

MP (Lame Brain),

Why do you continuously call me a homeopath
when in reality I>m not? Describing me as a naturopath
would be far more accurate. Can>t you do better than
that? Your 'Barrett Quackpot Cult' is on the retreat. You
are desperate. There>s no lie a disbarred attorney
won>t tell.

Casey Anthony Syndrome!

Paul

He is an idiot, you are WASTING YOUR TIME
attempting to communicate with him in any way.

He is only interested in innuendo, nothing more.

[/quote]
That would be "in YOUR head" o. Trying to get something to work in
there is beyond me.

Mark Probert · Guest

On Nov 26, 9:49 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 26, 6:17 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:

POSTINGS PERMANENTLY IGNORED.
[/quote]
Great.

Guest

Citizen Jimserac wrote:

[quote]As such,
overzealous
interpretation of the principles of EBM could be said to promote an
attitude that demeans and attempts to disempower practitioners and
patients of homeopathy/complementary and alternative medicines
(CAMs),
ultimately seeking to deprive millions of people of these therapeutic
choices because they are considered ï¿½unscientific.
[/quote]
People who lack medical qualifications and press others to use
ineffective treatment programs based on gobbledegook such as Homepathy
should be arrested and charged with offences under the trade practices
act or under criminal law where their treatment has either caused harm
or caused harm to occur by failure to apply timely correct treatment.

There is no intellectual basis for claiming tolerance is necessary for
the medical theories of Homeo-morons who demonstrate no understanding
of basic chemistry and a contempt for scientific method.

The article you>ve quoted demonstrates the hallmarks of a paranoid
psychosis, paraphrased thus: "People don>t listen to us [talking
rubbish] so they must be fascists out to get us".

pautrey2 · Guest

Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Do you have migraines? Typing crap like that should cause them.
[/quote]
Casey Anthony (MP),

Feverfew?
Migraine?
Traditional Medicine!
Homeopathy - Law Of Similars!
Material Dose!
Effective!
LOOK IT UP!

Paul

On Nov 28, 10:39 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 26, 9:20 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 19, 9:47 am, "Mary Ann Palmer" <mapalmer...@earthlink.net
wrote:

First, he made his own choice as was his right. That he made the wrong
choice could very well be that he did not have the correct information.
Alternatives have been suppressed for years. He might better to have used
maggots for the Gangrene. But how and where would he get them? Alternative
Medicine did not cause his death, lack of information did. Perhaps if the
"mainstreamers" would shut up, more helpful information would be easily
available?<humbert.engled...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Quite correct.

You will note that the mainstreamers fall curiously silent at the
several deaths from the unfortunates who relied
on Vioxx

No, idiot, we were not silent. Of course, in your "mind" we need to be
silent to make you bleieve what you believe.

However, when the news broke, many of us wrote that those who covered-
up should be criminally prosecuted. That did not happen, and because
of that, it is likely to happen again.

but the slightest variance in alternative medicine practice

causes them to act as though it is a threat to civilization -

It is.

actually it is a threat to the "civilization" of instituiionalized
pharmaceutical companies and their unhealthy allicance
with ONE medical system to the exclusion of all else.

Do you have migraines? Typing crap like that should cause them.

A profound threat.

Hence their hysteria.

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Jan Drew · Guest

"Mark Probert" <mark.probert@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:de394fd6-8946-429f-962b-8519d59e8246@j11g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 26, 9:32 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 21, 4:11 pm, rpautrey2 <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote:

MP (Lame Brain),

Why do you continuously call me a homeopath
when in reality I>m not? Describing me as a naturopath
would be far more accurate. Can>t you do better than
that? Your 'Barrett Quackpot Cult' is on the retreat. You
are desperate. There>s no lie a disbarred attorney
won>t tell.

Casey Anthony Syndrome!

Paul

He is an idiot, you are WASTING YOUR TIME
attempting to communicate with him in any way.

He is only interested in innuendo, nothing more.

[/quote]
That would be "in YOUR head" o. Trying to get something to work in
there is beyond me.

==============

Do show us where the word *idiot* is used in Torah.

http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter1-6b.html

G-d>s Justice System

When we judge others, we are setting our own personal justice system. If I
am constantly finding fault and criticizing others, I send a message to G-d.
Shortcomings should be noticed and highlighted; there>s no room for mercy
and tolerance. And G-d allows us to fashion the very justice system with
which He views us. If we see only the bad in others, we bring upon ourselves
the very judgment we, in our minds, visit upon others daily.

http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/shiur.asp?id=338

In the next portion of the midrash, the sages teach that it is fitting for
people to speak in clean, appropriate language:"

The words of Hashem are pure'...In the Torah, God chose to write eight extra
words in order to avoid using terminology which was not 100% 'clean. In the
Book of Bereishit, for instance, Noach is told to choose for the ark from
among 'the pure cattle and from the cattle that is not pure...' [- instead
of referring to the latter group using the Hebrew term for ritually impure
beasts, "Tameh." ] In disqualifying the rabbit as a pure animal, the Torah
does not say that the impurity derives from the fact that the rabbit does
not have split hooves, [though this is true] but rather that the rabbit is
impure because it [only] chews its cud. (Vaykira 11)" The clear message of
the midrash: when unpleasant things are uttered, they must be expressed in
the cleanest, most honorable manner possible.

When we talk about being careful about speech, we>re talking about two
different issues. What to say, and how to say it.

First of all, it is important not to say things that need not be said. When
something is in need of being said, it should be expressed using clean,
appropriate language. I>ve mentioned on several occasions that Rav Tzvi
Yehuda Kook (of blessed memory) was very cautious with his words, always
carefully weighing what he had to say before he said it. He would never say
things in the negative, but would always couch his ideas in positive terms.

Jan Drew · Guest

"Mark Probert" <mark.probert@gmail.com> wrote:
No, idiot

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