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Oh my goodness! I saw the damn fox that took 5 of my ducks.
I have been very careful letting them out since the losses. They only go
out when I>m here and watching, never in the rain, and I jump up and run
outside whenever I hear a peep. And they are in for days at a time now so
"no one" can get an idea of a schedule.
I let them out around 4 yesterday afternoon. Around 6 I changed their
splash pan and was sitting at a hay bale cutting up some tough old Swiss
Chard from the garden as their treat. They were wandering in and out of
their pen around me, playing in the water and then coming out to see how I
was getting on with their snack. At one point they were somewhere behind
me. They suddenly got VERY quiet and then they all ran into the pen, still
in total silence. They stood inside the door looking at me. I looked up
and there was a FOX standing just outside the pen! I almost cut my finger
off. I gave a whoop of surprise and it slunk (yes, slunk) off into the
bushes about 100 ft away.
I thought of getting the gun, but then I figured that it wouldn>t be back,
so I kept on chopping. Don>t you know that the bastard came back from the
other side 5 minutes later! I ran inside and got my rifle and sat back
down. It didn>t come back, so I went on partol through the bushes until
dark but didn>t see it again.
It was bigger than I>d thought foxes are. My friend said she saw a RED fox
back when I lost my birds. I>ve seen red fox roadkill, and they look just
like their pictures, and they are red. This fox was a scrubby greyish-brown
color and was about 2.5 feet tall, almost as tall as a labrador dog. We
have coyotes and so-called "coydogs" around here, but the ones I>ve seen
have been husky-looking, large animals. And this one>s head just looked
foxy; big upright ears on a smallish head and a long bushy tail that was
lowered as it walked away. The coyotes and wolves I>ve seen have smaller
ears in relation to their heads. I>ve heard of brown and red foxes in New
York, but could this have been a grey fox? They>re pretty small too.
Boy, I can>t WAIT until we have snow on the ground so I can track it.
Please excuse the language; I am totally incensed.
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Mary Fisher
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 2:14 am Post subject: Re: Saw that fox |
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[quote]
Boy, I can>t WAIT until we have snow on the ground so I can track it.
Please excuse the language; I am totally incensed.
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At least you can use a gun, here in an English city - where we are visited
during the day by fox - we can>t.
I understand your feelings absolutely.
Mary
[quote]--Pat
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C.M.German
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Saw that fox |
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I have a good crossbow......... are they legal there?
CM
"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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[quote]
Boy, I can>t WAIT until we have snow on the ground so I can track it.
Please excuse the language; I am totally incensed.
At least you can use a gun, here in an English city - where we are visited
during the day by fox - we can>t.
I understand your feelings absolutely.
Mary
--Pat
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Mary Fisher
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Saw that fox |
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"C.M.German" <cmgerman@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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[quote]I have a good crossbow......... are they legal there?
CM
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Not in our garden. We have longbows, can>t use those either.
Mary |
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Sky
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 11:04 pm Post subject: Re: Saw that fox |
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A fox got my first Duck. That was her first and last meal in my yard.
I now have 16 opps 17 ducks and I pen them up every evening and
release them each morning. Fortunetly the fox or bob cat in this area
haven>t ben seen in day light. HOWEVER, I wouldn>t go as far as to
kill any one of them, they are only doing what comes natural. Sky
"C.M.German" <cmgerman@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<VJWab.1604$iT4.1090078@news1.news.adelphia.net>...
[quote]I have a good crossbow......... are they legal there?
CM
"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f6bb305$0$191$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net...
Boy, I can>t WAIT until we have snow on the ground so I can track it.
Please excuse the language; I am totally incensed.
At least you can use a gun, here in an English city - where we are visited
during the day by fox - we can>t.
I understand your feelings absolutely.
Mary
--Pat
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Tapper
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 1:47 am Post subject: Re: Saw that fox |
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Well, I>ve found out that that was a coyote, not a fox. I though it was a
bit big! All of our foxes are pretty small, and coyotes go from 30 to 70
pounds around here. I>m in upstate New York, and the only people allowed to
kill wildlife without permits or seasons are farmers and people experiencing
livestock losses. I>m legal, I>m mad, and I>m armed! Look out coyotes
Be careful Skye: for 3 years I never had trouble during the day. This was
the first time. A few weeks ago one of my neighbors saw a coyote kill a
deer in her backyard in the middle of the afternoon. I was at my local vet
with my dogs a week ago, and they said that there have been 4 local dogs
attacked by coyotes come into their office. And two of my neighbors have
lost their dogs in the last three weeks.
I love all animals (well, except for Canadian Geese!). I am not in favor of
indiscrimiate killing; I believe we should share the land with all things
wild. HOWEVER I don>t want predators getting used to picking up meals in my
yard. My niece and nephew and other kids run around, throw stuff and are
generally at large. This coyote was 4 feet from my pen, 20 feet from me and
40 feet from my door. What if it had a cub in the bushes and one of us get
between them? Me wandering around, or the kids playing?
Yes, they are just doing what comes naturally, but I feel comfortable
dispatching predators who decide that my place is a smorgasboard. And when
it>s cold, and there>s less food, they WILL become hungrier, and more
dangerous. Last winter>s storms took a terrible toll on the local
wiildlife, including deer and then everything that eats them. Coyotes were
grabbing cats off of window ledges, for goodness sake. I don>t like
killing, but I am a meat-eater so I have some practicality. Animals die
every day so I can have meat at my meals.
And I shouldn>t have to go on a killing rampage; the critter books say that
for Coyotes and foxes, killing the main interlopers will teach the reast of
the family to steer clear of the dangerous areas.
"Sky" <skybhuerkamp@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:5a73626d.0309201004.336d72d9@posting.google.com...
[quote]A fox got my first Duck. That was her first and last meal in my yard.
I now have 16 opps 17 ducks and I pen them up every evening and
release them each morning. Fortunetly the fox or bob cat in this area
haven>t ben seen in day light. HOWEVER, I wouldn>t go as far as to
kill any one of them, they are only doing what comes natural. Sky
"C.M.German" <cmgerman@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:<VJWab.1604$iT4.1090078@news1.news.adelphia.net>...
I have a good crossbow......... are they legal there?
CM
"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f6bb305$0$191$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net...
Boy, I can>t WAIT until we have snow on the ground so I can track
it.
Please excuse the language; I am totally incensed.
At least you can use a gun, here in an English city - where we are
visited
during the day by fox - we can>t.
I understand your feelings absolutely.
Mary
--Pat
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Mary Fisher
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:13 am Post subject: Re: Saw that fox |
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Yes, they are just doing what comes naturally, but I feel comfortable
dispatching predators who decide that my place is a smorgasboard. And
when
it>s cold, and there>s less food, they WILL become hungrier, and more
dangerous. Last winter>s storms took a terrible toll on the local
wiildlife, including deer and then everything that eats them. Coyotes
were
grabbing cats off of window ledges, for goodness sake. I don>t like
killing, but I am a meat-eater so I have some practicality. Animals die
every day so I can have meat at my meals.
[/quote]
A wise post, saved me from saying it!
Mary |
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vanclan351
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Saw that fox |
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I find it amazing that you actually saw the coyotes. They don>t normally
expose themselves to humans, they are too smart for that. If they are
blazingly stealing killing animals and stealing cats in broad daylight then
there is something wrong. I don>t think that is natural for coyotes.
Sounds like you may have an imbalance in nature (not enough deer, over
population of predators, destroyed habitat, ect ..). Mother nature will
help and cause disease amongst the predators that are too numerous. It>s
nature way to restore balance. The coyote that is coming that close to
humans is already acting abnormal. It may be diseased already. I would
kill it, but I would not assume all coyotes are like that. Killing members
of a pack indiscriminately could produce a worse problem next year. The
coyotes will respond with larger litters to make up for the losses.
Try to talk with someone who knows the wildlife and the ecosystem around
you. They should be able to help. Stealing cats off of window sills, that
has got to be a long stretch for a coyote, but a good tale for humans to
tell and create fear of coyotes..
Good luck,
Mike
"Tapper" <oldNOgodsSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:lXqdnbBOjZNGIfGiXTWJig@iwc.net...
[quote]Well, I>ve found out that that was a coyote, not a fox. I though it was a
bit big! All of our foxes are pretty small, and coyotes go from 30 to 70
pounds around here. I>m in upstate New York, and the only people allowed
to
kill wildlife without permits or seasons are farmers and people
experiencing
livestock losses. I>m legal, I>m mad, and I>m armed! Look out coyotes
Be careful Skye: for 3 years I never had trouble during the day. This was
the first time. A few weeks ago one of my neighbors saw a coyote kill a
deer in her backyard in the middle of the afternoon. I was at my local
vet
with my dogs a week ago, and they said that there have been 4 local dogs
attacked by coyotes come into their office. And two of my neighbors have
lost their dogs in the last three weeks.
I love all animals (well, except for Canadian Geese!). I am not in favor
of
indiscrimiate killing; I believe we should share the land with all things
wild. HOWEVER I don>t want predators getting used to picking up meals in
my
yard. My niece and nephew and other kids run around, throw stuff and are
generally at large. This coyote was 4 feet from my pen, 20 feet from me
and
40 feet from my door. What if it had a cub in the bushes and one of us
get
between them? Me wandering around, or the kids playing?
Yes, they are just doing what comes naturally, but I feel comfortable
dispatching predators who decide that my place is a smorgasboard. And
when
it>s cold, and there>s less food, they WILL become hungrier, and more
dangerous. Last winter>s storms took a terrible toll on the local
wiildlife, including deer and then everything that eats them. Coyotes
were
grabbing cats off of window ledges, for goodness sake. I don>t like
killing, but I am a meat-eater so I have some practicality. Animals die
every day so I can have meat at my meals.
And I shouldn>t have to go on a killing rampage; the critter books say
that
for Coyotes and foxes, killing the main interlopers will teach the reast
of
the family to steer clear of the dangerous areas.
"Sky" <skybhuerkamp@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:5a73626d.0309201004.336d72d9@posting.google.com...
A fox got my first Duck. That was her first and last meal in my yard.
I now have 16 opps 17 ducks and I pen them up every evening and
release them each morning. Fortunetly the fox or bob cat in this area
haven>t ben seen in day light. HOWEVER, I wouldn>t go as far as to
kill any one of them, they are only doing what comes natural. Sky
"C.M.German" <cmgerman@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:<VJWab.1604$iT4.1090078@news1.news.adelphia.net>...
I have a good crossbow......... are they legal there?
CM
"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f6bb305$0$191$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net...
Boy, I can>t WAIT until we have snow on the ground so I can track
it.
Please excuse the language; I am totally incensed.
At least you can use a gun, here in an English city - where we are
visited
during the day by fox - we can>t.
I understand your feelings absolutely.
Mary
--Pat
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Donna Wilson
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I live in southwestern British Columbia, in an area called the "lower
mainland" which is a large sprawling urban area that includes the city of
Vancouver and suburbs stretching up the Fraser River valley for about 75
miles. Coyotes are common and while it might not be "normal" a coyote that
approaches people, kills small pets and moves about in the urban landscape
apparently oblivious to human activity is not uncommon. I>ve seen coyotes
loping from garbage can to garbage can, down back alleys in the westend of
Vancouver (a very densely populated area) in broad daylight.
Mid-morning a couple of weeks ago my dogs -- who were penned -- started a
terrible ruckus. Barking and howling and running hysterically around the
perimeter of the pens. Obviously something was bugging them. I went to
check and found a big healthy coyote -- male -- sitting on my lawn under a
Maple tree about twenty feet from their pens -- scratching its neck and
grooming its belly -- looking around at the scenery -- calm as could be. It
saw me. Nodded. Scratched a bit more before it got up and wandered off.
I live on 5 wooded acres so my backyard is their native habitat but it is
not unusual to see them in urban settings.
http://www.spca.bc.ca/Factsheets/coyote_alert.htm
/dw
"vanclan351" <vanclan351@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Tzicb.424546$cF.131750@rwcrnsc53...
[quote]I find it amazing that you actually saw the coyotes. They don>t normally
expose themselves to humans, they are too smart for that. If they are
blazingly stealing killing animals and stealing cats in broad daylight
then
there is something wrong. I don>t think that is natural for coyotes.
Sounds like you may have an imbalance in nature (not enough deer, over
population of predators, destroyed habitat, ect ..). Mother nature will
help and cause disease amongst the predators that are too numerous. It>s
nature way to restore balance. The coyote that is coming that close to
humans is already acting abnormal. It may be diseased already. I would
kill it, but I would not assume all coyotes are like that. Killing
members
of a pack indiscriminately could produce a worse problem next year. The
coyotes will respond with larger litters to make up for the losses.
Try to talk with someone who knows the wildlife and the ecosystem around
you. They should be able to help. Stealing cats off of window sills,
that
has got to be a long stretch for a coyote, but a good tale for humans to
tell and create fear of coyotes..
Good luck,
Mike
"Tapper" <oldNOgodsSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:lXqdnbBOjZNGIfGiXTWJig@iwc.net...
Well, I>ve found out that that was a coyote, not a fox. I though it was
a
bit big! All of our foxes are pretty small, and coyotes go from 30 to
70
pounds around here. I>m in upstate New York, and the only people
allowed
to
kill wildlife without permits or seasons are farmers and people
experiencing
livestock losses. I>m legal, I>m mad, and I>m armed! Look out coyotes
Be careful Skye: for 3 years I never had trouble during the day. This
was
the first time. A few weeks ago one of my neighbors saw a coyote kill a
deer in her backyard in the middle of the afternoon. I was at my local
vet
with my dogs a week ago, and they said that there have been 4 local dogs
attacked by coyotes come into their office. And two of my neighbors
have
lost their dogs in the last three weeks.
I love all animals (well, except for Canadian Geese!). I am not in
favor
of
indiscrimiate killing; I believe we should share the land with all
things
wild. HOWEVER I don>t want predators getting used to picking up meals
in
my
yard. My niece and nephew and other kids run around, throw stuff and
are
generally at large. This coyote was 4 feet from my pen, 20 feet from me
and
40 feet from my door. What if it had a cub in the bushes and one of us
get
between them? Me wandering around, or the kids playing?
Yes, they are just doing what comes naturally, but I feel comfortable
dispatching predators who decide that my place is a smorgasboard. And
when
it>s cold, and there>s less food, they WILL become hungrier, and more
dangerous. Last winter>s storms took a terrible toll on the local
wiildlife, including deer and then everything that eats them. Coyotes
were
grabbing cats off of window ledges, for goodness sake. I don>t like
killing, but I am a meat-eater so I have some practicality. Animals die
every day so I can have meat at my meals.
And I shouldn>t have to go on a killing rampage; the critter books say
that
for Coyotes and foxes, killing the main interlopers will teach the reast
of
the family to steer clear of the dangerous areas.
"Sky" <skybhuerkamp@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:5a73626d.0309201004.336d72d9@posting.google.com...
A fox got my first Duck. That was her first and last meal in my yard.
I now have 16 opps 17 ducks and I pen them up every evening and
release them each morning. Fortunetly the fox or bob cat in this area
haven>t ben seen in day light. HOWEVER, I wouldn>t go as far as to
kill any one of them, they are only doing what comes natural. Sky
"C.M.German" <cmgerman@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:<VJWab.1604$iT4.1090078@news1.news.adelphia.net>...
I have a good crossbow......... are they legal there?
CM
"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f6bb305$0$191$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net...
Boy, I can>t WAIT until we have snow on the ground so I can
track
it.
Please excuse the language; I am totally incensed.
At least you can use a gun, here in an English city - where we are
visited
during the day by fox - we can>t.
I understand your feelings absolutely.
Mary
--Pat
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Blanche Nonken
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"vanclan351" <vanclan351@comcast.net> wrote:
[quote]Try to talk with someone who knows the wildlife and the ecosystem around
you. They should be able to help. Stealing cats off of window sills, that
has got to be a long stretch for a coyote, but a good tale for humans to
tell and create fear of coyotes..
[/quote]
We were at the table for Thanksgiving dinner (Orange County, San
Clemente, Calif) when we heard one take my mother-in-law>s cat
Cairngorm. Happened right in the backyard, about 2 in the afternoon.
Broad daylight.
To be fair, it had been a problem for years - the explosive growth of
the suburbs in Orange County was and is, to my mind, disgusting. None
of us blamed the coyotes, which isn>t to say we weren>t upset.
My sister-in-law has been followed by 'em while horseback riding in the
area, they were not doing too hard a job of staying out of sight. Also
friends of hers out riding had their dogs attacked by a pair while on
the trail.
The funniest story I remember was this outcry from a somewhat
residential neighborhood in that county insisting "Satanists" were
killing their pets and leaving them headless with their internal organs
scattered around. Um, no. :-) I don>t *think* so. |
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Sky
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I have to agree that a coyote coming that close to humans in the day
light has to have something wrong with it or it is just plain
starving. I also have to agree that you can>t let such an animal run
lose especially if there are children around. I live on 5 acres
wooded land and am pestered mostly by fox and bob cats. As these can
do plenty of damage I am sure that a coyote would be worse. I would
ask the local SPCA to aid in it>s capture and relocation if it is
found to be healthy after it is examined. If your local SPCA is not
willing to help I would have to concur with others that it needs to be
put down, although I still think it>s a shame. SKY
"Donna Wilson" <donna.loreen.wilsonnospam@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<bFkcb.3192$O85.121@pd7tw1no>...
[quote]I live in southwestern British Columbia, in an area called the "lower
mainland" which is a large sprawling urban area that includes the city of
Vancouver and suburbs stretching up the Fraser River valley for about 75
miles. Coyotes are common and while it might not be "normal" a coyote that
approaches people, kills small pets and moves about in the urban landscape
apparently oblivious to human activity is not uncommon. I>ve seen coyotes
loping from garbage can to garbage can, down back alleys in the westend of
Vancouver (a very densely populated area) in broad daylight.
Mid-morning a couple of weeks ago my dogs -- who were penned -- started a
terrible ruckus. Barking and howling and running hysterically around the
perimeter of the pens. Obviously something was bugging them. I went to
check and found a big healthy coyote -- male -- sitting on my lawn under a
Maple tree about twenty feet from their pens -- scratching its neck and
grooming its belly -- looking around at the scenery -- calm as could be. It
saw me. Nodded. Scratched a bit more before it got up and wandered off.
I live on 5 wooded acres so my backyard is their native habitat but it is
not unusual to see them in urban settings.
http://www.spca.bc.ca/Factsheets/coyote_alert.htm
/dw
"vanclan351" <vanclan351@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Tzicb.424546$cF.131750@rwcrnsc53...
I find it amazing that you actually saw the coyotes. They don>t normally
expose themselves to humans, they are too smart for that. If they are
blazingly stealing killing animals and stealing cats in broad daylight
then
there is something wrong. I don>t think that is natural for coyotes.
Sounds like you may have an imbalance in nature (not enough deer, over
population of predators, destroyed habitat, ect ..). Mother nature will
help and cause disease amongst the predators that are too numerous. It>s
nature way to restore balance. The coyote that is coming that close to
humans is already acting abnormal. It may be diseased already. I would
kill it, but I would not assume all coyotes are like that. Killing
members
of a pack indiscriminately could produce a worse problem next year. The
coyotes will respond with larger litters to make up for the losses.
Try to talk with someone who knows the wildlife and the ecosystem around
you. They should be able to help. Stealing cats off of window sills,
that
has got to be a long stretch for a coyote, but a good tale for humans to
tell and create fear of coyotes..
Good luck,
Mike
"Tapper" <oldNOgodsSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:lXqdnbBOjZNGIfGiXTWJig@iwc.net...
Well, I>ve found out that that was a coyote, not a fox. I though it was
a
bit big! All of our foxes are pretty small, and coyotes go from 30 to
70
pounds around here. I>m in upstate New York, and the only people
allowed
to
kill wildlife without permits or seasons are farmers and people
experiencing
livestock losses. I>m legal, I>m mad, and I>m armed! Look out coyotes
Be careful Skye: for 3 years I never had trouble during the day. This
was
the first time. A few weeks ago one of my neighbors saw a coyote kill a
deer in her backyard in the middle of the afternoon. I was at my local
vet
with my dogs a week ago, and they said that there have been 4 local dogs
attacked by coyotes come into their office. And two of my neighbors
have
lost their dogs in the last three weeks.
I love all animals (well, except for Canadian Geese!). I am not in
favor
of
indiscrimiate killing; I believe we should share the land with all
things
wild. HOWEVER I don>t want predators getting used to picking up meals
in
my
yard. My niece and nephew and other kids run around, throw stuff and
are
generally at large. This coyote was 4 feet from my pen, 20 feet from me
and
40 feet from my door. What if it had a cub in the bushes and one of us
get
between them? Me wandering around, or the kids playing?
Yes, they are just doing what comes naturally, but I feel comfortable
dispatching predators who decide that my place is a smorgasboard. And
when
it>s cold, and there>s less food, they WILL become hungrier, and more
dangerous. Last winter>s storms took a terrible toll on the local
wiildlife, including deer and then everything that eats them. Coyotes
were
grabbing cats off of window ledges, for goodness sake. I don>t like
killing, but I am a meat-eater so I have some practicality. Animals die
every day so I can have meat at my meals.
And I shouldn>t have to go on a killing rampage; the critter books say
that
for Coyotes and foxes, killing the main interlopers will teach the reast
of
the family to steer clear of the dangerous areas.
"Sky" <skybhuerkamp@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:5a73626d.0309201004.336d72d9@posting.google.com...
A fox got my first Duck. That was her first and last meal in my yard.
I now have 16 opps 17 ducks and I pen them up every evening and
release them each morning. Fortunetly the fox or bob cat in this area
haven>t ben seen in day light. HOWEVER, I wouldn>t go as far as to
kill any one of them, they are only doing what comes natural. Sky
"C.M.German" <cmgerman@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:<VJWab.1604$iT4.1090078@news1.news.adelphia.net>...
I have a good crossbow......... are they legal there?
CM
"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f6bb305$0$191$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net...
Boy, I can>t WAIT until we have snow on the ground so I can
track
it.
Please excuse the language; I am totally incensed.
At least you can use a gun, here in an English city - where we are
visited
during the day by fox - we can>t.
I understand your feelings absolutely.
Mary
--Pat
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vanclan351
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Sounds like they are losing thier habitat. As I said coyotes are one of the
smartest animals I know of. They sound like they are adjusting and losing
their fear of humans so they can survive. I have livestock and kids to
protect. I don>t like killing animals but I will if needed. I would think
that a coyote that has lost it>s sense of fear from humans could be baited
into a trap of some type.
I also have dogs and pay close attention to thier barks for warning of
predators. I don>t think I could see a coyote that close and not reach for
my gun. Even if I did not kill it I would want it to have a good memory of
an unpleasant situation. I don>t see the coyotes aorund here, but I hear
them at night and see thier tracks the next day. We also have too many deer
and I think they get plenty of venison to satisfy thier hunger.
I love my chickens, but I also love nature and it>s ways. I hope you can
find a compromise that will work for your situation.
Mike
"Donna Wilson" <donna.loreen.wilsonnospam@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:bFkcb.3192$O85.121@pd7tw1no...
[quote]I live in southwestern British Columbia, in an area called the "lower
mainland" which is a large sprawling urban area that includes the city of
Vancouver and suburbs stretching up the Fraser River valley for about 75
miles. Coyotes are common and while it might not be "normal" a coyote
that
approaches people, kills small pets and moves about in the urban landscape
apparently oblivious to human activity is not uncommon. I>ve seen coyotes
loping from garbage can to garbage can, down back alleys in the westend of
Vancouver (a very densely populated area) in broad daylight.
Mid-morning a couple of weeks ago my dogs -- who were penned -- started a
terrible ruckus. Barking and howling and running hysterically around the
perimeter of the pens. Obviously something was bugging them. I went to
check and found a big healthy coyote -- male -- sitting on my lawn under a
Maple tree about twenty feet from their pens -- scratching its neck and
grooming its belly -- looking around at the scenery -- calm as could be.
It
saw me. Nodded. Scratched a bit more before it got up and wandered off.
I live on 5 wooded acres so my backyard is their native habitat but it is
not unusual to see them in urban settings.
http://www.spca.bc.ca/Factsheets/coyote_alert.htm
/dw
"vanclan351" <vanclan351@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Tzicb.424546$cF.131750@rwcrnsc53...
I find it amazing that you actually saw the coyotes. They don>t
normally
expose themselves to humans, they are too smart for that. If they are
blazingly stealing killing animals and stealing cats in broad daylight
then
there is something wrong. I don>t think that is natural for coyotes.
Sounds like you may have an imbalance in nature (not enough deer, over
population of predators, destroyed habitat, ect ..). Mother nature will
help and cause disease amongst the predators that are too numerous.
It>s
nature way to restore balance. The coyote that is coming that close to
humans is already acting abnormal. It may be diseased already. I would
kill it, but I would not assume all coyotes are like that. Killing
members
of a pack indiscriminately could produce a worse problem next year. The
coyotes will respond with larger litters to make up for the losses.
Try to talk with someone who knows the wildlife and the ecosystem around
you. They should be able to help. Stealing cats off of window sills,
that
has got to be a long stretch for a coyote, but a good tale for humans to
tell and create fear of coyotes..
Good luck,
Mike
"Tapper" <oldNOgodsSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Well, I>ve found out that that was a coyote, not a fox. I though it
was
a
bit big! All of our foxes are pretty small, and coyotes go from 30
to
70
pounds around here. I>m in upstate New York, and the only people
allowed
to
kill wildlife without permits or seasons are farmers and people
experiencing
livestock losses. I>m legal, I>m mad, and I>m armed! Look out
coyotes
Be careful Skye: for 3 years I never had trouble during the day. This
was
the first time. A few weeks ago one of my neighbors saw a coyote kill
a
deer in her backyard in the middle of the afternoon. I was at my
local
vet
with my dogs a week ago, and they said that there have been 4 local
dogs
attacked by coyotes come into their office. And two of my neighbors
have
lost their dogs in the last three weeks.
I love all animals (well, except for Canadian Geese!). I am not in
favor
of
indiscrimiate killing; I believe we should share the land with all
things
wild. HOWEVER I don>t want predators getting used to picking up meals
in
my
yard. My niece and nephew and other kids run around, throw stuff and
are
generally at large. This coyote was 4 feet from my pen, 20 feet from
me
and
40 feet from my door. What if it had a cub in the bushes and one of
us
get
between them? Me wandering around, or the kids playing?
Yes, they are just doing what comes naturally, but I feel comfortable
dispatching predators who decide that my place is a smorgasboard. And
when
it>s cold, and there>s less food, they WILL become hungrier, and more
dangerous. Last winter>s storms took a terrible toll on the local
wiildlife, including deer and then everything that eats them. Coyotes
were
grabbing cats off of window ledges, for goodness sake. I don>t like
killing, but I am a meat-eater so I have some practicality. Animals
die
every day so I can have meat at my meals.
And I shouldn>t have to go on a killing rampage; the critter books say
that
for Coyotes and foxes, killing the main interlopers will teach the
reast
of
the family to steer clear of the dangerous areas.
"Sky" <skybhuerkamp@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:5a73626d.0309201004.336d72d9@posting.google.com...
A fox got my first Duck. That was her first and last meal in my
yard.
I now have 16 opps 17 ducks and I pen them up every evening and
release them each morning. Fortunetly the fox or bob cat in this
area
haven>t ben seen in day light. HOWEVER, I wouldn>t go as far as to
kill any one of them, they are only doing what comes natural. Sky
"C.M.German" <cmgerman@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:<VJWab.1604$iT4.1090078@news1.news.adelphia.net>...
I have a good crossbow......... are they legal there?
CM
"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f6bb305$0$191$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net...
Boy, I can>t WAIT until we have snow on the ground so I can
track
it.
Please excuse the language; I am totally incensed.
At least you can use a gun, here in an English city - where we
are
visited
during the day by fox - we can>t.
I understand your feelings absolutely.
Mary
--Pat
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