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 Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 5:45 pm Post subject: South Carolina DAFN Gap... |
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http://www.thestate.com/mld/state/news/local/6711300.htm
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With an average score of 847, South Carolina>s black students scored
nearly 200 points below white students on the 2003 SAT.
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No matter where you measure it: Could the environment of
DAFN oppression, abuse, and victimization really be that
uniform all across the nation? Or is it an inherent DAFN property
flowing from the genes?
Deep in your liberal DAFN-loving heart, you know the answer... |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: South Carolina DAFN Gap... |
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makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote:
[quote]No matter where you measure it: Could the environment of
DAFN oppression, abuse, and victimization really be that
uniform all across the nation? Or is it an inherent DAFN property
flowing from the genes?
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http://www.pbs.org/ellingtonsdc/vtSchools.htm
[quote]Dunbar High School, arch rival to Armstrong, was the first and most
prestigious high school for African Americans in the nation. It had
such a stellar faculty and academic reputation that many African
American families from around the country sent their children to
study at Dunbar. It not only had courses in Latin and Greek but early
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[quote]in the 20th century its students out performed students at
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Washington>s white high schools on standardized tests. Dunbar was
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known as a college prep school, and a very high percentage of its
graduates went on to college.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: South Carolina DAFN Gap... |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
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makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote:
No matter where you measure it: Could the environment of
DAFN oppression, abuse, and victimization really be that
uniform all across the nation? Or is it an inherent DAFN property
flowing from the genes?
http://www.pbs.org/ellingtonsdc/vtSchools.htm
Dunbar High School, arch rival to Armstrong, was the first and most
prestigious high school for African Americans in the nation. It had
such a stellar faculty and academic reputation that many African
American families from around the country sent their children to
study at Dunbar. It not only had courses in Latin and Greek but early
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in the 20th century its students out performed students at
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Washington>s white high schools on standardized tests. Dunbar was
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
known as a college prep school, and a very high percentage of its
graduates went on to college.
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Let>s see if I have this straight: What you are saying is an
exclusive private DAFN prep school drawing the smartest DAFNz
from all over the country, was able to, on standardized tests,
defeat the children of white WashDC parents too stupid to live
somewhere with decent public schools?
Why not compare the students of Dunbar with, say, Exeter Prep
in New England, the essentially white equivalent of Dunbar?
That>s essentially what you have when you look at SAT scores
of entering Ivy League university students. The same 200 pt
White-DAFN gap is found (pg 452, TBC).
What Mother_Nature hath genetically created... |
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Kali
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: South Carolina DAFN Gap... |
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In article <3F5B286F.63C69E59@worldnet.att.net>, posted
Sun, 07 Sep 2003 12:45:29 GMT, makemyday@worldnet.att.net
says...
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:http://www.thestate.com/mld/state/news/local/6711300.htm
:**************************** excerpt ********************************
:With an average score of 847, South Carolina>s black students scored
:nearly 200 points below white students on the 2003 SAT.
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:
:No matter where you measure it: Could the environment of
:DAFN oppression, abuse, and victimization really be that
:uniform all across the nation?
Yes.
Or is it an inherent DAFN property
:flowing from the genes?
:
:Deep in your liberal DAFN-loving heart, you know the answer...
Oh, so you are an uneducated bigot. You hadn>t made that
perfectly clear in your first post.
plonk
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Bob LeChevalier
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: South Carolina DAFN Gap... |
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makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote:
[quote]http://www.pbs.org/ellingtonsdc/vtSchools.htm
Dunbar High School, arch rival to Armstrong, was the first and most
prestigious high school for African Americans in the nation. It had
such a stellar faculty and academic reputation that many African
American families from around the country sent their children to
study at Dunbar. It not only had courses in Latin and Greek but early
^^^^^
in the 20th century its students out performed students at
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Washington>s white high schools on standardized tests. Dunbar was
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
known as a college prep school, and a very high percentage of its
graduates went on to college.
Let>s see if I have this straight: What you are saying is an
exclusive private DAFN prep school
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It wasn>t exclusive. Dunbar was and is a public school. It happened
to be so good that people came from around the country to attend it,
but it also took those local kids who went on into high school as
well.
[quote]drawing the smartest DAFNz
from all over the country, was able to, on standardized tests,
defeat the children of white WashDC parents too stupid to live
somewhere with decent public schools?
[/quote]
Evidence that the white high schools were poor in quality? I thought
not.
[quote]Why not compare the students of Dunbar with, say, Exeter Prep
in New England, the essentially white equivalent of Dunbar?
[/quote]
Exeter is not the equivalent of Dunbar, since it is private.
[quote]What Mother_Nature hath genetically created...
[/quote]
.... seems to include too many atavistic idiots like you.
lojbab
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: South Carolina DAFN Gap... |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
[quote]
makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote:
Let>s see if I have this straight: What you are saying is an
exclusive private DAFN prep school
It wasn>t exclusive. Dunbar was and is a public school. It happened
to be so good that people came from around the country to attend it,
but it also took those local kids who went on into high school as
well.
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Oh. Excuuuse me. Tell me Dunbar was a take-all-DAFN-comerz school.
They couldn>t possibly have screened all the applicantz and taken
only the plumz? Relegating the LOOZerz back to the seething IQ-75
cesspool, and distorting the standardized test resultz.
Bob, what do you think would happen if you took a white/Asian high
school, screened the applicants, and stuffed the faculty with
white/Asian PhDs, ala Dunbar? The output of that boggles the mind.
They would surely blow the Dunbar DAFNz into the weeds by a huge margin.
In fact, that is exactly what should be happening, with DAFNz free
to compete for slots on a level admissions playing field. About
0.0001 pct of the DAFN applicantz might actually get in. Use all
the funds currently being squandered on Headstart, No Child Left
Behind, and other DAFN "enhancement" programz. |
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Herman Rubin
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:15 am Post subject: Re: South Carolina DAFN Gap... |
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In article <3F5B5AA3.F1DB075B@worldnet.att.net>,
<makemyday@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
[quote]Bob LeChevalier wrote:
makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote:
Let>s see if I have this straight: What you are saying is an
exclusive private DAFN prep school
It wasn>t exclusive. Dunbar was and is a public school. It happened
to be so good that people came from around the country to attend it,
but it also took those local kids who went on into high school as
well.
Oh. Excuuuse me. Tell me Dunbar was a take-all-DAFN-comerz school.
They couldn>t possibly have screened all the applicantz and taken
only the plumz? Relegating the LOOZerz back to the seething IQ-75
cesspool, and distorting the standardized test resultz.
Bob, what do you think would happen if you took a white/Asian high
school, screened the applicants, and stuffed the faculty with
white/Asian PhDs, ala Dunbar? The output of that boggles the mind.
They would surely blow the Dunbar DAFNz into the weeds by a huge margin.
In fact, that is exactly what should be happening, with DAFNz free
to compete for slots on a level admissions playing field. About
0.0001 pct of the DAFN applicantz might actually get in. Use all
the funds currently being squandered on Headstart, No Child Left
Behind, and other DAFN "enhancement" programz.
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You are overstating the genetic differences. I know black
geniuses, and the proportion of bright blacks is not THAT
low. I agree that they should compete on a level field;
fully equal opportunities are still not possible, but this
will give them the chance they deserve.
This is what happened starting around 1951; the barriers
came down in enough places that competent blacks did get
the opportunities they could use. Their biggest problems
now are with the abominable schools they go to which will
not let their bright children learn what others of the same
ability can learn. A university cannot admit even black
geniuses who do not have the knowledge it expects students
in their courses to have.
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are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
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hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558 |
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