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RF · Guest

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
[quote]convicted Don Kirkman wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Folks carrying food scales per the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach have no
need for calorie lists, which are meaningless anyway since the numbers
are factitious.
So the numbers are useless because they>re "produced by man rather
than by natural forces" [Webster]?
The numbers are useless because listing them as constants make them
far removed from reality where the actual amount of food actually
served is highly variable. Everyone weighing their meals per the 2PD-
OMER Approach is aware of the latter fact.
The numbers are perfectly adequate for life in the real world.
If that were true, there would be no obesity epidemic.
Apparently you>ve lost the last vestiges of your scientific background
and medical training.

There is no longer an obesity epidemic among those using the 2PD-OMER
Approach.

Truth is simple.

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[/quote]
Oooohhh!, gawd must have been in that California
law. Is she coming out of her stupor?

Blade · Guest

On Oct 6, 7:11 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
[quote]hermie wrote:

I have read in various places that those who are developing type 2
diabetes can restore their pancreas by exercise and diet. Is this true;

Not by diet and exercise but by losing the VAT.

The latter is done by eating less, down to the optimal amount.

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[/quote]
Yes,its true...because the main reason of diabetes is diet disorder...
A diabetes may be reduced by some excercise,Yoga and diet controlling..

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD · Guest

RF wrote:
[quote]Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted Don Kirkman wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

Folks carrying food scales per the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach have no
need for calorie lists, which are meaningless anyway since the numbers
are factitious.

So the numbers are useless because they>re "produced by man rather
than by natural forces" [Webster]?

The numbers are useless because listing them as constants make them
far removed from reality where the actual amount of food actually
served is highly variable. Everyone weighing their meals per the 2PD-
OMER Approach is aware of the latter fact.

The numbers are perfectly adequate for life in the real world.

If that were true, there would be no obesity epidemic.

Apparently you>ve lost the last vestiges of your scientific background
and medical training.

There is no longer an obesity epidemic among those using the 2PD-OMER
Approach.

Truth is simple.

Oooohhh!
[/quote]
GOD is amazing.

"I am the way and the truth and the life." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Amen

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"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD · Guest

Blade wrote:
[quote]Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
hermie wrote:

I have read in various places that those who are developing type 2
diabetes can restore their pancreas by exercise and diet. Is this true;

Not by diet and exercise but by losing the VAT.

The latter is done by eating less, down to the optimal amount.

Yes,its true...because the main reason of diabetes is diet disorder...
[/quote]
More precisely, type-2 diabetes is a disorder caused by VAT, which
arises simply from overeating and not from either a lack of regimented
exercise or a suboptimal diet.

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Ted · Guest

On Oct 5, 6:04 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
[quote]convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:

Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Don Kirkman <dons...@charter.net> wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

Eating low-calorie foods without an awareness of food amount promotes
obesity by promoting delusional thinking.

Delusional thinking promotes fad diets without scientific foundation
or proven efficacy.

Thankfully the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.

Apparently you>re thinking of the 2P-OMER Approach...

No.

An Approach to diets is not equivalent to diet.

The fact that the 2PD-OMER Approach can be dove-tailed with any diet
allows the discerning to know and understand that the 2PD-OMER
Approach is definitely not a diet.

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[/quote]
I have heard that drinking your own urine purifies he soul. Is this
correct?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD · Guest

hermie wrote:
[quote]Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
hermie wrote:

I have read in various places that those who are developing type 2
diabetes can restore their pancreas by exercise and diet. Is this
true;

Not by diet and exercise but by losing the VAT.

The latter is done by eating less, down to the optimal amount.

I have been to a number of internal medicine specialists. They
contradict each other based on no evidence. One told me that my
peripheral neuropathy which is only in my feet now, was definitely not
do to diabetes (or similar). The other looked at my feet and dimissed my
contention that I was developing type 2 diabetes. The one harvard grad I
trusted the most got it right I think when he said, despite my normal
glucose readings which were high normal, 5.8 as I recall on that long
term test they use and also my readings from a meter i bought-both of
which suggested it was not high glucose, when he told me my pancreas was
getting deficient.
[/quote]
The pro-inflammatory adipocytokines (PIACs) from VAT are toxic for
**both** the beta islets cells of the pancreas and the neurons of the
peripheral nervous system.

[quote]I took a medication for a couple weeks Olanzapine,
which I later found is now the subject of multiple lawsuits wherein
people developed diabetes from it. This was the new wonder
anti-psychotic that the drug companies were pushing so hard. I am not
psychotic, so the indications for it>s use were marginal in my case.
Maybe it fucked up my pancreas, as there is no history of diabetes among
my relatives, although there is history of heart disease. No offense,
but the doctors I have been to mostly have been of NO HELP whatsoever.
Only the one from harvard was correct in his diagnosis, but still no
help from him in terms of dealing with the neuropathy other than to
suggest cover up meds that just treat the symptoms-neurotonin (sp?).
[/quote]
It is the collective clinical experience of those of us who are
physicians that the peripheral neuropathy caused by the PIACs does not
improve/resolve until the VAT is gone.

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD · Guest

Ted wrote:
[quote]
I have heard that drinking your own urine purifies he soul. Is this
correct?
[/quote]
No.

The only thing that purifies the soul is GOD>s forgiveness:

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven

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"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

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Ted · Guest

On Oct 8, 4:13 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
[quote]Ted wrote:

I have heard that drinking your own urine purifies he soul. Is this
correct?

No.

The only thing that purifies the soul is GOD>s forgiveness:

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b0c2b85ef6a4310?
[/quote]
Oh? Well how about masturbation for clearing out the sinfulness of
sex?

Guest · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Is the Pancreas restorable?

"The pro-inflammatory adipocytokines (PIACs) from VAT are toxic for
**both** the beta islets cells of the pancreas and the neurons of the
peripheral nervous system.
It is the collective clinical experience of those of us who are
physicians that the peripheral neuropathy caused by the PIACs does not
improve/resolve until the VAT is gone."

Incorrect, it is the production of glycation of neural tissue that is
the cause of the disorder and that results from prolonged elevated
glucose levels.

In some diabetics once glucose is controlled nearer normal ranges the
neural damage can reverse to some degree.

As to "collective clinical experience" we are led again to request
research in support of this assertion. Sadly this has become necessary
and even more the case as such request are never presented. Such
silence speaks clearly to a problem.

Thom Madura · Guest

"Ted" <chuckfrasher@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b4646149-8f19-4f99-b9c4-a08b52ee006e@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 8, 4:13 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
[quote]Ted wrote:

I have heard that drinking your own urine purifies he soul. Is this
correct?

No.

The only thing that purifies the soul is GOD>s forgiveness:

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b0c2b85ef6a4310?
[/quote]
Oh? Well how about masturbation for clearing out the sinfulness of
sex?

Masturbation is a sin - the clergy prefer to molest underage altar servers
for that!

RF · Guest

Thom Madura wrote:
[quote]"Ted" <chuckfrasher@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b4646149-8f19-4f99-b9c4-a08b52ee006e@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 8, 4:13 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com
wrote:
Ted wrote:

I have heard that drinking your own urine purifies he soul. Is this
correct?
No.

The only thing that purifies the soul is GOD>s forgiveness:

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b0c2b85ef6a4310?

Oh? Well how about masturbation for clearing out the sinfulness of
sex?

Masturbation is a sin - the clergy prefer to molest underage altar servers
for that!
[/quote]
The way things are going in the world, the holy
spirit deserves to be peed
and pooped on.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD · Guest

convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
[quote]Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Kurt wrote:

http://www.joslin.org/managing_your_diabetes_4494.asp

Because type-2 diabetes (T2DM) is a "risk equivalent" for
cardiovascular disease (CVD), folks wanting to avoid CVD have a need
to avoid T2DM.

The latter is achieved by not overeating so as not to acquire VAT,
which is the root cause of T2DM.

Lowering risk is NOT equivalent to avoiding CVD.
[/quote]
However, having a "risk equivalent" for CVD is synonymous with having
CVD.

Bottom line concerning your lack of understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ba984ac508d8620a

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Taka · Guest

Just one more thought on the Kwasniewski>s diet. Most of his patients
may be celiacs or whole grain intolerant and thus cannot consume or
properly digest/absorb wholegrains. This would lead to thiamine
(vitamin B1) deficiency which in turn causes improper handling of
carbohydrates resulting in AGE stress. Beriberi is an extreme example
from Asian countries consuming mostly white grains/rice -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiamine_deficiency
In fact the VitB1 derivative Benfotiamine is successfully used to
reduce AGE>s and ALE>s formation - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benfotiamine
On the Kwasniewski>s high fat and meat diet the VitB1 requirement is
greatly reduced by not processing carbohydrates while increased meat
consumption ups its supply.
The whole VitB family is important for proper metabolism, e.g. VitB1
for carbohydrate, VitB6 for protein/EFA and VitB5 for fatty acid
metabolisms and VitB2 for detoxification (glutatione reduction). The
subclinical VitB deficiency may be a common phenomenon in people with
"mysterious" health problems. Most normal people are protected by
beer consumption - beer is very high in the VitB family due to its
malt and yeast contents. In Japan, where mostly white rice and bread
are consumed, the "one-shot booster" drinks based on different VitB
combinations are well selling to relieve stress, muscle/joint pain and
headaches from "overwork".

Taka

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD · Guest

convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
[quote]Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Kurt wrote:

http://www.joslin.org/managing_your_diabetes_4494.asp

Because type-2 diabetes (T2DM) is a "risk equivalent" for
cardiovascular disease (CVD), folks wanting to avoid CVD have a need
to avoid T2DM.

The latter is achieved by not overeating so as not to acquire VAT,
which is the root cause of T2DM.

Lowering risk is NOT equivalent to avoiding CVD.

However, having a "risk equivalent" for CVD is synonymous with having
CVD.

Only if the risk is 100%.

Incorrect.

T2DM is a "risk equivalent" for CVD because the risk of either heart
attack or stroke is the same as for someone who has already had either
a heart attack or stroke thereby establishing the diagnosis of CVD.

IOW, diagnosing someone with T2DM is essentially diagnosing them with
CVD.

Truth is simple.

[Quote]
The effect of diabetes on health is equivalent to ageing 15 years,
according to an article in this week>s issue of The Lancet. Canadian
researchers found that people with diabetes fell into the high-risk
category for cardiovascular disease (CVD)* 15 years earlier than those
without diabetes.
[/quote]
The cited retrospective cohort study did not separate type-2 diabetics
from type-1.

Source:

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673606689678/abstract

By the time a person has frank type-2 diabetes, the years/decades of
metabolic syndrome (MetS) has already done its damage (ie
atherosclerosis).

Truth remains simple.

Bottom line concerning your difficulties here:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b09fe2cd7fceefc8

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD · Guest

convicted neighbor Alan S wrote:
[quote]Kurt <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote:

http://www.joslin.org/managing_your_diabetes_4494.asp

From the link:

"A1C levels of less than 7 percent can also have heart
healthy benefits."

Not when compared to A1c levels of less than 6 percent.
[/quote]
There remains the concern that more aggressive medical therapy with
goal of lowering A1c to less than 6 percent would have the untoward
result of iatrogenic hypoglycemia which can be fatal.

[quote]"Eat wisely.
Cut back on foods high in saturated fat, trans fat, and
cholesterol, such as butter, eggs, meat, and whole milk. Eat
more foods high in fiber like fruits, vegetables, and whole
grain breads."

No thanks.
[/quote]
It remains wiser to eat less down to the right amount.

Once at the right amount and staying at the right amount, continuing
to eat the right things would be prudent.

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