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 Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:50 am Post subject: Re: Now, our famous geologist confuses continental rift and |
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George <George@george.net> wrote:
[quote]"Florian" <auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net> wrote in message
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He>s not there yet. He is just beginning to realize that something is
wrong in plate tectonics mechanisms.
Bwhahahaha!!! So not only are you a magician who can make the Earth expand
with EE fairy dust,
[/quote]
That>s the story for idiot of your kind.
[quote]but you can read the minds of geologists who don>t
actually agree with you.
[/quote]
Doglioni refutes the postulated engine of plate tectonics. He>ll figure
out what is wrong sooner than later.
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[quote]The basement in the ECRB is not granite or rhyolite. It is
basalt. The granite and rhyolite is younger, and formed mostly during
the
Grenville orogeny.
No. It formed just before the Grenville orogeny.
Regardless, the rift is composed of basalts. Do you know of a rift that
isn>t composed of basalt?
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Idiots, the basement rock that rifted apart is granite and rhyolite.
[...]
[quote]When there is a new paradigm, some stuff keeps its interpretation
intact, and some other stuff must be reinterpretated in the light of the
new paradigm. Trashing everything is stupid.
Then why are you doing it?
[/quote]
Don>t be confused by your stupid wishful thinking. You>re the ignorant
goose who claims that we have to trash all known Physics.
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Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:50 am Post subject: Re: Where did the extra mass come from? |
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George <George@george.net> wrote:
[quote]Ignoring something that does not exist is actually the way to go.
I agree. I tend to ignore arguments about EE since it doesn>t exist.
[/quote]
Typical denial.
[quote]I make an exception in your case, because I enjoy watching French froggies
jump when we poke at them.;
[/quote]
Better for you that you don>t realize you>re my toy.
[quote]Bullshit. Deformation of the margin is part of the eduction/upduction
process and is totally taking into account.
And the deformation within the continents themselves (i.e., the Rocky
Mountains, the Sierra Madre, the Alps, the Himalayas, the Apinines, the
Brooks Range, the Urals, the Caucasus, etc)???
[/quote]
The Alps, the Himalayas and Apennines are within continents, i.e., not
at boundaries??? Whaou, I>m truly impressed by you geological knowledge!
Actually not.
To answer your question, any orogeny is the result of surfaceward flow
resulting into uplift, folding and overthrusting of the crust
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[quote]Moron, typical creationist like comment. Your "God" does not exist.
You>re on your own to find the correct rational explanation.
I don>t have a god.
[/quote]
You lie. If it were true, you would know that there is a rational
explanation for everything, even if we don>t know them all yet, and you
would not be crying for a mechanism like you do.
[quote]Everyone? Name one geologist here in this newsgroup who agrees with you.
WTF? I>m bored by your inability to read. Do you pretend to have all
answers to every questions, yes or not?
Name ONE geologist here in this newsgroup who agrees with you. Can>t do it,
can you? Poor dear.
[/quote]
Others do believe to whatever they want. I only trust factual data,
because they don>t lie.
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Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:50 am Post subject: Re: no sufficient destruction of pacific floor to balance ri |
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George <George@george.net> wrote:
[quote]You continue to fail to explain it in any other language than French/English
babblese. Draw me a picture showing the location of the mantle wedge where
all this mantle material is upshucking (and include actual pictures of the
surface manifestation of this mantle rock wedging to the surface).
[/quote]
<http://nachon.free.fr/overthrust/agean.png>
[quote]The draw
in the picture the location where all the mantle wedge is being recycled
back into the ground.
[/quote]
What? The wedge is not recycled back! it is a one way ticket toward the
surface. Bit of overthrusted lithosphere is getting buried, and that>s
all. You will never get it.
[...]
[quote]More straws. The overiden lithosphere IS passive. thatg is the indian
oceanic lithosphere in this case.
Really? That explains why the overriding plate jumped up, in some places,
as much as 30 feet during the 2004 earthquake (Kerry Sieh, 2004); because it
is passive. Unbelievable.
[/quote]
Idiot, "overridden" not "overriding"
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[quote]You don>t know what you>re talking about. The dip angle is that of the
risng material that get extruded at the volcanic arc.
Fucking moron. The megathrust dip angle is the angle the megathrust fault
makes as one plate slides under the other.
[/quote]
Idiot, you confuse the rising wedge below the volcanic arc and the
overthrusting forearc.
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[quote]You show the RYUKYU orocline moving away from the oceanic crust that is
subducting beneath it
WTF? The arc moves OVER the oceanic lithosphere, not AWAY.
And there is, as expected, stretchting of the continental crust at the
back of the arc.
Flo, that is an entirely differenr subduction zone altogether, and if you
don>t believe it, take a look at the NEIC earthquake maps for the area.
There is no stretching going on there.
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Oh boy, oh boy.
Look again:
<http://nachon.free.fr/overthrust/Philippines-extrusions.jpg>
The Ryukyu orocline is moving South-East over the Philipine ocean floor.
There is a marginal sea at the back of the arc, East China Sea, and that
is where extension takes place like at any back-arc.
[quote]I think you should quit drinking.
I don>t drink.
[/quote]
All alcoholics say that.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:42 am Post subject: Re: Where did the extra mass come from? |
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Stuart <bigdakine@aol.com> wrote:
[quote]Anyway, the references are not accessible online. Nor can I find the
book.
[/quote]
Jeez, I already gave you the link and the ISBN:
http://books.google.com/books?id=MI4FtNlgnaQC
And guess what? chapter 2 about paleoradius calculation is online, in
the preview. Lucky you!
It looks like you were wrong one more time.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Where did the extra mass come from? |
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On Oct 11, 1:42 am, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
[quote]Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
Anyway, the references are not accessible online. Nor can I find the
book.
Jeez, I already gave you the link and the ISBN:
http://books.google.com/books?id=MI4FtNlgnaQC
And guess what? chapter 2 about paleoradius calculation is online, in
the preview. Lucky you!
It looks like you were wrong one more time.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée..
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer
[/quote]
I will say one thing,the Chudinov guy made a global point about the
mid Atlantic ridge whereas those who organise the interior Earth
around a stationary Earth mechanism of 'convection cells' are going to
have an impossible job explaining generation of crust off the entire
length of the ridge.
Ah,who am I kidding,you are like kids playing aound with peer reviewed
articles which is the same as trying to play snooker with a rope.To
your credit,you managed to detach the guys who support 'convection
cells' from the main arguments for plate tectonics where they can now
join you at your ee level,again,that is a good thing for geology in
the long run.
The convection cell guys are trying to make themselves feel better at
your expense while being entirely oblivious to there own premises and
conclusions and while there are genuine geologists who have made
incredible discoveries,their insights will be diminished by
intransigence on the matter of the internal mechanism driving plate
motion.It is like having a Rolls Royce driven by pedal power and that
is the way I see Plate tectonics in relation to those who propose
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Even better, George does not understand how lava lamps w |
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Stuart <bigdakine@aol.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 10, 1:50 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
George <Geo...@george.net> wrote:
No It is not. Building a model assuming rigid lithosphere whereas
everybody knows it is not at all, is part of the reason why geosciences
are in such a mess.
Stuart has already supported me on this.
Look at that... little Ron needs Bro Stuart to hold his hand because he
can>t have an opinion by himself.
So according to you, Stuart said that lithosphere is rigid, so that it
can not deform away from the boundaries?
Let>s see what you>re big brother has to say about that statement...
I didn>t say that, and that>s not what George is claiming.
[/quote]
Let>s see.
[quote]What we both
have said is that deformation on the boundaries is far greater than in the
interiors. Nobody claims there is no deformation in the interior. To first
order, it can be ignored in most places.
[/quote]
This is my point. Ron keep repeating there are deformation despite
they>re not significant.
[quote]You claim that if the plates are moving large distances they should show
large amounts of internal deformation.
[/quote]
Yes. It is the realistic point of view, because the rigidity of the
oceanic lithosphere is a conjecture based on one observation, the
absence of important internal deformation, and one assumption, the crust
move uniformally as a whole block.
The realistic point of view is that the crust can>t move uniformally
over thousand km, so that the absence of deformation means that it does
not move relatively to what>s beneath it.
[quote]You have claimed that maximum strain occurs where the displacement is
maximum.
[/quote]
Obviously, you did not understand the meaning of that sentence.
Of course I know that the strain tensor is the spatial derivative of
displacement, i.e., it is the change in length over length.
But you>re so close-minded, that you totally missed the point.
I meant that there is more chance to get maximum deformations if there
is maximum displacement where resistance to the displacement is met. If
the whole pacific crust was sliding, inevitably, it would meet some zone
of resistance to its motion, and would deform there
(fold/faults/overthrusts). This is not what is observed. The logical
conclusion is that the pacific lithosphere is not sliding.
Its motion is the radial and lateral motion expected at the surface of
an unevenly growing globe.
Besides, heavy deformations occur at upduction zones, because this is
were surfaceward migrating material reach the surface and meet
resistance => displacement of material => large deformation.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Where did the extra mass come from? |
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Stuart <bigdakine@aol.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 10, 2:42 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
Anyway, the references are not accessible online. Nor can I find the
book.
Jeez, I already gave you the link and the ISBN:
http://books.google.com/books?id=MI4FtNlgnaQC
And guess what? chapter 2 about paleoradius calculation is online, in
the preview. Lucky you!
But the references aren>t, at least not that I can find.
[/quote]
Don>t you have access to a decent library, including an online one at
Hawaii?
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Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Hollow Earth versus Plate Tectonics |
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On Oct 7, 1:13 am, sir.jpturc...@neuf.fr wrote:
[quote]On 7 oct, 04:08, "
[/quote]
You really DO NOT want Doc Schultz
for dinner unless you are prepared
to be challenged on the aperetif, silverware,
table settings, location of the dinner, reasons
for the dinner, topics to be discussed,
banned topics reasons for the bans,
acquiences to any and all doc demands
and signed agreements thereof.
You will be expected to provide documentation
for any and all comments since your opinion alone
is not enough. ONLY Doc>s opinion has that priority.
Good luck and let us know how long it took before
you throw him out the door.
Citizen Jimserac |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: "TURCAUD BATH" |
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On Oct 8, 6:35 am, "TacAN" <z...@xxx.xxx> wrote:
[quote]"Sunny" <wombatlo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:elRGk.3878$sc2.176@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Hi Sunny
Go down to your local newsagent and buy a copy of the latest Nexus Magazine
October-November 2008 issue.
Commencing on page 21 there is an excellent article titled:
"Magnesium Chloride for Health and Rejuvenation"
This relates strongly to JP>s kind release of the Turcaud Bath.
Worth reading with an open mind before you condemn it as "quackery",
please.
Graham
PS
Note for JP - if its of any value I can scan & email these pages just on an
fyi basis.
I>m sure you know what its all about - but may be of interest.
Regards
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Hi Graham,
The experiments from Dr Neveu & Prof Delbet of France using MgCl
solutions on Polio, Tetanus cures & applications on surgical wounds
with immediate results are well documented indeed. .
The "Turcaud Bath" is something which I have developed for another
purpose originally but as it is, anyone can use for its benefit
indeed ...Carole incidentally can propose the system on his site. A
person of 90 kg will lose 15 kg in 24 hours no problem at all, in
despite of quacking sound of reprobation from Mining Criminals 's
supporters .
Carole, if you see that post, you have my full agreement for doing
so.
By the way, Graham, could you please contact me direct. I like to
know if you have understood the True Geology foundation document...and
if I have made myself clear.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: "TURCAUD BATH" |
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On 11 oct, 23:21, Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times
<australia.mining-pion...@neuf.fr> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 8, 6:35 am, "TacAN" <z...@xxx.xxx> wrote:
Hi Graham,[/quote]
The experiments from Dr Neveu & Prof Delbet of France using MgCl
solutions on Polio, Tetanus cures & applications on surgical wounds
with immediate results are well documented indeed. .
The "Turcaud Bath" is something which I have developed for another
purpose originally but as it is, anyone can use for own benefit
indeed ...Carole incidentally can propose the system on her site.
A person of 90 kg will lose 15 kg in 24 hours no problem at all, in
despite of quacking sound of reprobation from Mining Criminals 's
supporters .
Carole, if you see that post, you have my full agreement for doing
so.
By the way, Graham, could you please contact me direct. I like to
know if you have understood the True Geology foundation document...and
if I have made myself clear.
Best jp-
PS What I want to add is that the Quacks ' industry is thrieving on
dizzeazezs and when you know that this poor sods are unable to cure
even the simplest cold, measles, flu etc ...I think they are obviously
completely disqualified to pretend curing other dizeazzezzz of which
the poor stupid Boors fall prey in the first place. In fact what makes
the business of those bed-manered con men flourish is the trust of a
completely degenerate Mankind, refusing its responsability upon which
rightly befall it ;
ALL DIZZEAZEZZ ARE DEZZERVED INDEED !
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On Oct 8, 6:21 pm, "rick++" <rick...@hotmail.com> wrote:
*> Its interesting this method gets past the "ice age" barrier
*> of 11,000 years ago. At the end of the last ice age there
*> were such drastic changes in soils and sea level that
*> most alternative paleo-seismic methods dont work well.
Completely ridiculous ...
First of all there were NEVER any Ice Ages except in the unformed
minds of clueless Gogos masquerading as Geologists at the present
time
Secondly Faults DO NOT CAUSE QUAKES anymore than roads intersection
cause car accidents.
Faults are lines where the critical breaking point was reached in the
Lithosphere through the process of continuous PE or Planetary
Expansion ...
I wish you would cease to spout out your Universillyties learn by
heart idiocies... please.
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: Re: ALL the oceanic crust is recycled in 180 My: unrealistic |
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On Oct 11, 1:50 am, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
[quote]George <Geo...@george.net> wrote:
If all peridotitic mantle wedges produce andesitic magmatization, then, like
I said, you could surely come up with one specific example. After all, you
claim that they are everywhere. One example, Floppy.
Central Kamchatka Depression, Idiot.
"We envision two petrogenetic models, which relate the composition of
erupted magmas to the subduction parameters beneath the CKD. The first
model suggests that mantle temperature governs melt-peridotite
equilibria and favors generation of andesitic primary melts in cold
mantle regions above the shallowly subducting Pacific slab edge."
http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/36/7/519
Only where overthrusting of oceanic lithosphere take place (under the
forearc, not at the volcanic arc itself.
But the volcanic arc is not where subduction is occurring, [...]
This is where upduction occurs dude, upduction.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée..
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer
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Yep, subduction in phase with surrection ...
That a good observation, except that the timing is not correct.
.... also the process cannot be explain in term of PE (planetary
expansion ) except in the True Geology approach based on the UPL or
Universal Pressure Laws
I wish Oriel36 would interfere there to put his grain of salt ...
Please, by the way, do not pick too much on George, the poor chap is
suffering from an orphan dizzeaze called 'delusion of grandeur' as a
painful side effect of that diabetes of his. He believes he>s a genius
and any demonstration of the opposite could kill his ego and hence the
bio structure supporting it...
see?
why in your view does he call himself George ?
Lost his bearing completely indeed ...does not even know who he
is ...
He even talks about Geology while not knowing the first word about
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Now, our famous geologist confuses continental rift and |
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"Florian" <auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net> wrote in message
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[quote]George <George@george.net> wrote:
"Florian" <auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net> wrote in message
news:1inz3tb.7uq3neqedhlbN%auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net...
He>s not there yet. He is just beginning to realize that something is
wrong in plate tectonics mechanisms.
Bwhahahaha!!! So not only are you a magician who can make the Earth
expand
with EE fairy dust,
That>s the story for idiot of your kind.
but you can read the minds of geologists who don>t
actually agree with you.
Doglioni refutes the postulated engine of plate tectonics. He>ll figure
out what is wrong sooner than later.
[...]
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Oh really? That>s not what he says in the following paper:
http://tetide.geo.uniroma1.it/sciterra/sezioni/doglioni/Publ_download/E6-15-03-13-TXT.aspx.html
In fact, he disagrees with so much of the crap you>ve posted, that it>s hard
to know where to begin. For instance, you claim that there is no intraplate
deformation (which is not what Stuart, myself, and many many others claim),
and that therefore there is no plate movement. Contradicting yourself, you
point out that the Sumatran plate has moved westward over the Indian Ocean
during the 2004 megaquake. Doglioni states emphatically "Plates move at the
surface of Earth, (oops) but we still do not know what energy source
accounts for plate tectonics. Mantle tomography, studies on the viscosity of
Earth>s interior, and geological, geophysical, and geodetic analysis of
plate tectonics are rapidly contributing to an understanding of why plates
describe a sinusoidal flow and why there is a westward delay of the
lithosphere relative to the mantle, creating strong asymmetries in the
structure of subduction zones and rift zones. The main energy seems to come
from Earth>s cooling and associated mantle convection (which you claim
doesn>t occur)." Elsewhere, he states "Mantle convection is expected,
because Earth is cooling and because material is uprising along oceanic
ridges and downgoing along subduction zones." I guess he doesn>t support
your silly upduction zones, since he asserts that material is downgoing
along subduction zones, not rising from the deep mantle.
So he doesn>t refute the postulated engine of plate tectonics at all, but
supports it, and you are knitting yet more imaginary sweaters. What he does
suggest is " In other words, mantle convection alone seems not able to
generate plate tectonics. A more robust contribution of the Earth>s rotation
in combination with mantle convection could be envisaged."
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"Florian" <auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net> wrote in message
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[quote]George <George@george.net> wrote:
"Florian" <auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net> wrote in message
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Idiot, deformations at transform faults are out of topic when
discussing
deformations far from boundaries.
Since there are plenty of transform faults extending far from boundaries
into the interiors of plates, they certainly are completely relevant to
intraplate deformation.
Idiot. learn the difference between active transform faults and fracture
zone that are not tectonically active.
[...]
Those deformations are not significant. Period.
No?
Idiot. Your own words a few lines above: "Relative to the boundaries, it
is true that the
deformation is insignificant."
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I>m not talking about inactive fracture zones, froggy. And relative to
active plate margins, someone smashing your face in with a brick is
insignificant. But your face will still be deformed. Get a clue, shit for
brains.
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"Florian" <auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net> wrote in message
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[quote]George <George@george.net> wrote:
And there is certainly one. Period.
Really? Perhaps you could enlighten the planet as to what that one is?
Idiot. Don>t you understand that scientists do not know everything? Only
crank can imagine that scientist know everything but simply want to hide
it.
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You don>t know much. That much is certain. That you understand even less
is much more certain. Bye now.
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