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Don Lancaster · Guest

gabydewilde wrote:

[quote]"Xogen Technologies Inc. is a young, aggressive company who is
currently developing an innovative technology for the treatment of
wastewater.

[/quote]
Xogen was a post-Meyer Canadian penny stock who had to publicly
apologize to the Canadain equivalent SEC for lying about electrolysis.

An unheard of occurrance.

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Don Lancaster · Guest

doug wrote:
[quote]

"Xogen Technologies Inc. is a young, aggressive company who is
currently developing an innovative technology for the treatment of
wastewater.

They have been in business for 8 years and have produced nothing.

[/quote]
They have produced an apology to the Canadian equivalent of the SEC for
lying about electrolysis.

So far, this has been their most important product.

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gabydewilde · Guest

On Oct 10, 8:02 am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
[quote]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKjUzsNj8NM&NR=1

Maybe this is in language you can understand.
[/quote]
here are his other videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZshW38Tfcg0
Repaired Lawton Unit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSghF36MfAg
#84 - VSPB Toyota Road Report 01

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRdwJ6Ynow4
#93 Prep work for new VSPB tests

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk8N4eTDohg
#64 Two more designs to try with the CPSR cell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfi-6ZapJoI
I voted today!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEXtOTdik5M
#57 Vacuum test part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEh5slSkefE
Hydrogen HHO Electrolyzer w/ vinegar 2007/08/01

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6-OiD5h6Kc
09 - Oscillating Stator Permanent Magnet motor. Please rate!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0eloN41XIE
#85 - VSPB Toyota Road Report 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yux8L5Av9xs
#66 - Completed LM324N PWM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT-xja3M6Cg
#90 - Some VSPB cell assembly details up close

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOSM2nqg_Vc
#40 New Experimental HHO cell FIRST TEST RESULTS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOECOadCNg4
Part 2 Golf Ball Globe Trick Secret Solution Revealed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf2oybnz-vQ
04 - Magnetic motor prototype parts descriptions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yei0NMqUaZ8
01 - Steorn concept Magnetic Motor test

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y21NzSZQeWE
#80 - VSPB Cell Production numbers 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-oeM8rpFGE
#35 Hydrogen HHO Zero Cell ELECTROLYTE CONVECTION 2007/09/04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyeqtm9zR7Q
#48 ANOTHER NEW RECORD 1.76 LPM HHO at 382W, 4.61mmw eff!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqyOm57bZT8
Hydrogen Electrolyzer test unit 05

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjPXC3Lrh2A
#119 Building the PWM v2, part 5 of 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEZqf-fJUrA
Hydrogen HHO Electrolyzer w/ NaOH 2007/08/02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcoSoG2Ed-I
#45 HHO zero-cell hits 1.11 LPM!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBf2WdBx3tE
#70 - VSPB Cell #2 part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_VKxxIu_Rs
#124 Progress recap of PWM and EFIE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJI8k_uw8gI
Golf Ball Globe Secret Solution Revealed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6PW28rofkw
08 - Oscillating Stator Permanent Magnet motor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxhskAHmKZY
#41 Refinements to the Gas rate measuring tool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMCUrGn06cs
#44 Test data with rebuilt HHO zero-cell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKjUzsNj8NM
#101-108 My newest resonant WFC theory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJKTFZqu5Eo
10 - Oscillating Stator Permanent Magnet motor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UihBiEUL3OY
#116 Building the PWM v2, part 2 of 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz2Uo7i1vmk
#97 - Jarboe>s Mill AEPC 2008 Day 1, part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTX813FbEo4
#65 - PWM taking shape

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq0_xRr0f1w
#49 Prep for HHO vacuum production testing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tloKQULZ1QY
#79 - VSPB Cell test final assembly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc_KVANOVv8
#55 HHO bubbler final ass>y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZnKNfFJyAY
#38 New Experimental HHO cell preassembly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sps__5d8lwU
#31 Hydrogen HHO ZooFFer Cell 12v CONFIG TESTS 2007/08/10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdRl0nGhdP8
#47 New Record 1.3 LPM HHO at only 294W or 4.44mmw eff!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scFXmJDgBQA
#96 - Jarboe>s Mill - Day 1 - Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl2A89RMayM
#83 - VSPB Bubbler shared resevoir test

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHV3U4bXPso
#72 VSPB Cell #2 part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDP33XuMqMU
#78 - VSPB Cell testing begins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAtEJj_ZSfs
07 - Magnet motor bobbin actuator progress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7bLliPCGvo
#51 HHO pump progress, manifold vacuum explanation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6VvMQtbAEY
#63 - Standardizing the nomenclature

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpQHIO2kw58
#29 Hydrogen HHO Electrolyzer ASTONISHING RESULTS!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlZN7Su2tL4
#76 - VSPB cell chamber construction part 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qli7vxNX-kw
02- Modified Steorn concept Magnetic Motor test

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxWQZJw5RnQ
#95 -Zero revealed! Jarboe>s Mill recap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTiXekn5X7g
Hydrogen HHO Electrolyzer test unit 10-3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRJAMISLmY0
#112 1st HHO test with I.C.E!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjOQ3zJObfA
#99 - Larry Jarboe interview, part 1 of 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEC-swbpSpw
#34 Hydrogen HHO Zero Cell EFIE CALIBRATION 2007/09/01

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwHK8LB_yuk
Hydrogen HHO Electrolyzer test unit 10-2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orTTrJjABLI
#67 - 1st PWM tests

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkuUB--RM_Y
#37 316L plate prep in citric acid bath

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocJxJNJEv5M
#121 PWM Tuning for HHO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCCEvkX9gMU
FINAL RESULTS Hydrogen HHO Electrolyzer 2007/08/04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBrlW7yl_Dc
#91 - Gluing the baffle plates to the VSPB cell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpRqoMGc-Do
#98 - Jarboe>s Mill AEPC 2008 Day 2 Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh3gUJNXDZc
Hydrogen HHO Electrolyzer MODIFICATIONS 2007/08/06

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3cOPDTl3ek
#94 VSPB cell in clear test chamber. 5.40mmw!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2kM3Nlg1ps
Hydrogen HHO Electrolyzer w/ NaOH 2007/08/02 #2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ_x8LOBpvA
#87 - VSPB 1st inspection

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxjxT4zXIco
#127 - PWM Etched PC board assembly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBCBEhWDLGc
#68 - New problems with voltage transients

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHkwgZJNqpU
#54 tall HHO bubbler construction details

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_fPmJ08in4
#61 Resonant Water Fuel Cell 02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0DqjTf5uhM
#36a Back building a new hho electrolyzer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSMyNmIRH4w
#73 - VSPB cell chamber construction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM52NOAt4mM
#118 Building the PWM v2, part 4 of 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iguObxQOjD4
#82 - VSPB Toyota Install

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpDts6ilufk
Hydrogen HHO Electrolyzer test unit Tank Details 06

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXVRdJ7R4-Q
#56 The HHO vacuum test setup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWpdtC6TJ8k
#81 - VSPB Cell blowout test 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpQj8h0KnJI
Hydrogen Electrolyzer test unit 01

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK8rBgJfmBI
11 - OSPMM controled tests w & w/o stator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv2VUnBpK20
#52 Working HHO vacuum pump!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc3mUwx8BAw
#33 Hydrogen HHO Zero Cell 1st MILEAGE TESTS!! 2007/08/31

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9-xzKXXvE0
#89 New Current limiting PWM circuit completed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQRXw33mRAc
Hydrogen HHO Electrolyzer test unit Wiring 07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePn2wSIAt4o
Hydrogen HHO Electrolyzer test unit WE GOT GAS! 09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJFfReW--zc
#46 1.1 LPM HHO at only 247W or 4.50mmw eff!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHy_OeS8qVE
Zero>s not-so-good OC-MPMM replication

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfwPgzxzRr8
Hydrogen Electrolyzer test unit 02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXk4jhz1dP4
#59 Vacuum test part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAWbyeZFkdo
03 - Beyond Steorn, a real permanent magnet motor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUaZYNfGmfU
#58 Vacuum test part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE5k5YwSmGY
#39 New Experimental HHO cell completed plate assembly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjxKsCdpr0Y
#115 - Build my PWM tutorial! Part 1 of 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfRwGU--BZw
Hydrogen HHO Electrolyzer test unit 10-1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_4RLYWFR1E
#88 VSPB Rebuild begins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWHlCXGZHJY
#92 EM Hybrid VSPB HHO cell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awfBX1QuLFg
#60 - Resonant Water Fuel Cell 01

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMpbSKtVPkU
#123 Full Pwr test of the PWM v2a

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1-SNDOZVw
#128 - PWM v2 production update

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfidJ-PaPL0
#42 First test of HHOmeter with the 1st Zero Cell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9hHfO803Tg
06 - Magnet motor bobbin assembly progress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uEHF8wGNcs
#111 EBN Sealed wet cell kit, New HHO generator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CnSar1JPAw
Water boiler for plasme project

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BEflPK13Hw
#50 Demo of Vacuum on HHO cell from car intake manifold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-UagByZY1k
#62 Resonant Water Fuel Cell - 03

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pqh8-ySjRc
#114 ICE mods for 100% HHO, Phase 1, part 2 of 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pjvxlUJU6w
#30 Hydrogen HHO ZooFFer Cell ACTUAL MEASUREMENTS!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GLQZmDKiD4
#110 - A couple final scenes from Jarboe>s Mill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wfgEBJBk3w
#71 VSPB Cell #2 part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nY-ZwdLjWo
#113 ICE mods for 100% HHO, Phase 1, part 1 of 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fVw7uzuvLI
#126 - EBN cell on my PWM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pFpMNuF44U
#122 GM>s Amazing new Chevy Volt ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LZ9yPUqSuQ
#120 PWM v2a Final Walk-through

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68oHbf8rO_E
#109 - Jarboe>s Mill photo album

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65EiiE4NoDI
#43 Poor Man>s DC shunt to measure high current

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yT8yvEW_2Y
#53 KOH Antifreeze?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e4NbJBwVzI
Hydrogen HHO Electrolyzer test unit Wiring 08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cXUTKg2T1A
#69 - Transient suppression

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bisfarDdLM
05 - Ideas needed for bobbin assembly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w32ErsRAcM
#100 Larry Jarboe interview, part 2 of 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q6t59XrRHQ
#77 - VSPB cell chamber construction Mods

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ci5OlPlJ68
#86 - VSPB pulling from the Toyota for mods

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PltvTUDgg4
Hydrogen Electrolyzer test unit 03

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v36doW-34Q
Hydrogen Electrolyzer test unit 04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ba7ly2qBBs
#117 Building the PWM v2, part 3 of 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Almq2ks3FA
#74 - VSPB cell chamber construction 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1262LYWCSNQ
#125 PWM cooler mods

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A7JNu3Wsfk
#36b Back building a new hho electrolyzer part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WS6dNoPBUU
#75 - VSPB cell chamber construction part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vOir0iX8ag
#32 Hydrogen HHO ZooFFer Cell INJECTION METHOD 2007/08/11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LGviz-QMoA
#129 - PWM Connection Instructions

good fun

doug · Guest

gabydewilde wrote:

[quote]On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:

gabydewilde wrote:

On Oct 10, 8:02 am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKjUzsNj8NM&NR=1

Maybe this is in language you can understand.

Browns gas replaces part of the air intake. Normally combustion ends
when there is no more oxygen available. Browns gas not just burns
faster it also contains moar oxygen ass-.

One could combine the gas with petrol to give an example you might be
able to understand. There is moar combustion so there is moar power,
among other trickery here the extra power comes from the lack of
exhaust gases. It>s very obvious? no?

It gets funky where the petroleum doesn>t need to be compressed
anymoar so the injection can take place much moar later in the cycle.
For it also burns faster so it can be injected much-much later then
you think. (Read "retarded")

Here the cylinder can be filled with lots and lots of uncompressed
browns gas, the piston may forcefully suck the gas out of the thermo/
electrolyser.

Or will you try to debunkor the great truths of vacuum electrolysis?

To make it even moar fun. We get 1860 liters of gas out of each liter
of water.

So after filling the cylinder 2/3 with gas we have only a small
duration worth of self propagating explosion BUT after that the gas
collapses 1860:1 thus creating an IMPLOSION CYCLE! Here the energy
comes from the atmosphere.
You can cry you can whine but at the end of the day, it comes out of
the atmosphere and we get to use 2 times MOAR power strokes.
Even MOAR fun it gets where the implosion is also endothermic
effectively sucking back the heat back into the system back.

Sucking heat back is bad. You want to use the heat to generate
pressure and move the piston.

You are confused, it is a self propagating reaction. So it makes fuel
while it combusts fuel.
[/quote]
If you suck heat back, it is not available for propulsion which
is what you want it for.
[quote]
All for free, as in free lunch, free willy and free mason.

Sorry, the laws of physics work.

Then the you>s can also makes our water gas for almost free so there
is really an abundance of effects.

Meyer>s WFC used off the shelve automagical radio tuners to make the
gas. A some what barbaric method compared to the many others but it
does allow tuning into radio hydrogen FM.

Meyer was a fraud. He also did not use radio tuners. You do not
understand what he did.

Ok, lets give you another chance to defend your lies.

Do you have a credible cite with this false accusation claim doug?
[/quote]
He was convicted of fraud in court. He used frequencies in the KHz
range. Radio tuners work in the MHz range. He was transmitting
power, radio tuners are used for receiving signals. Need any more?
[quote]
Or are you making it up?

Meyer a fraud? Where did you get disinfo?
[/quote]
The court felt it was fraud when they convicted him
[quote]
Could you supply some evidence with your accusation?

Lets see you accuse http://xogen.ca of being a fraud AND use your real
name. Then we can see who is the fraud here.

"Xogen Technologies Inc. is a young, aggressive company who is
currently developing an innovative technology for the treatment of
wastewater.
[/quote]
They have been in business for 8 years and have produced nothing.
[quote]
This technology has the potential to revolutionize the industry’s
approach to wastewater treatment by vastly reducing the footprint of
treatment plants, eliminating most of the conventional unit processes,
eliminating the production of biosolids and simultaneously producing a
byproduct, oxyhydrogen gas, for reuse as an energy source. "

Go for it doug, call them frauds and identify yourself. times.co.uk
deleted their article when confronted with legal reprisals. So you
cant use that to back your claims of fraud. You do understand it is a
crime to accuse people of being frauds without delivering evidence?
It>s not unreasonable to ask you for proof. Have some court
recordings? Any other official documents?

Have you managed to torture Paul Pantone to death already?
[/quote]
Making stupid baseless accusations does not help your case any. It
makes you look like even more of a nut case.

[quote]
April 18, 2007 Judge Royal Hansen denies Paul Pantone his right of
choice of counsel. http://paul-pantone-court-recordings.go-here.nl/Pantone_Court_2007_04_18.mp3

ohhhhh? how revealing isn>t it?

Where is your proof of the Meyer tech being a fraud doug?

You don>t have any? Then that makes you a liar doesn>t it?
[/quote]
My telling the truth seems to annoy you. Meyer did nothing
new. Meyer was convicted of fraud in court. His work is
free for the taking and no one wants it. Not even you. You
will not spend a penny of your money to try it out.

[quote]
snipped references to that well known science site youtube.[/quote]

Don Lancaster · Guest

gabydewilde wrote:
[quote]On Oct 11, 2:42 am, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
gabydewilde wrote:
On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
Meyer was a fraud. He also did not use radio tuners. You do not
understand what he did.
Ok, lets give you another chance to defend your lies.
Do you have a credible cite with this false accusation claim doug?
He was convicted of fraud in court. He used frequencies in the KHz
range. Radio tuners work in the MHz range. He was transmitting
power, radio tuners are used for receiving signals. Need any more?

Or are you making it up?
Meyer a fraud? Where did you get disinfo?
The court felt it was fraud when they convicted him

I said "prove it".

I say there never was a court case.

[/quote]
Since the Ohio judicial system personally tried to charge me $19,000.00
for a transcript of the Meyer Electrocity Fraud case, the trial most
certainly did exist.

As any phone call can verify.

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doug · Guest

gabydewilde wrote:

[quote]On Oct 11, 2:42 am, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:

gabydewilde wrote:

On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:

Meyer was a fraud. He also did not use radio tuners. You do not
understand what he did.

Ok, lets give you another chance to defend your lies.

Do you have a credible cite with this false accusation claim doug?

He was convicted of fraud in court. He used frequencies in the KHz
range. Radio tuners work in the MHz range. He was transmitting
power, radio tuners are used for receiving signals. Need any more?

Or are you making it up?

Meyer a fraud? Where did you get disinfo?

The court felt it was fraud when they convicted him

I said "prove it".

I say there never was a court case.
[/quote]
Search on meyer fraud. Do you know how to use Google?
[quote]
If there was there would be a record of it.
[/quote]
Yes, JW, someone who was taken in by meyer>s fraud
has talked about it and even posted details of it
here in the past week. Do you know how to read
posts?
[quote]
All US court cases should have a record.

I think that what you are talking about was not a court case at all.

Convicted of fraud you say.

Well show me the evidence?

Until you do you are making fraudulent accusations.

Punishable by law.

Prove your innocence doug.

_____
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress[/quote]

doug · Guest

gabydewilde wrote:

[quote]On Oct 11, 6:37 am, Don Lancaster <d...@tinaja.com> wrote:

gabydewilde wrote:

On Oct 11, 2:42 am, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:

gabydewilde wrote:

On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:

Meyer was a fraud. He also did not use radio tuners. You do not
understand what he did.

Ok, lets give you another chance to defend your lies.
Do you have a credible cite with this false accusation claim doug?

He was convicted of fraud in court. He used frequencies in the KHz
range. Radio tuners work in the MHz range. He was transmitting
power, radio tuners are used for receiving signals. Need any more?

Or are you making it up?
Meyer a fraud? Where did you get disinfo?

The court felt it was fraud when they convicted him

I said "prove it".

I say there never was a court case.

Since the Ohio judicial system personally tried to charge me $19,000.00
for a transcript of the Meyer Electrocity Fraud case,

That doesn>t sound at all like they are trying to hide something.

Or wait..... BWHAHAHA!!!

So you confess you failed to get the court transcript.

Could you at least prove he was found guilty in this court case you
made up.

What was the sentence again?

the trial most
certainly did exist.

[/quote]
You are far too lazy and paranoid to even read the posts here. There
is another thread going on now which the court case has been
brought up. The person there got sucked into the fraud and is still
too stupid to realize that he was taken for a sucker by meyer.

doug · Guest

gabydewilde wrote:

[quote]On Oct 10, 8:02 am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKjUzsNj8NM&NR=1

Maybe this is in language you can understand.

The poster above is the guy who got sucked into[/quote]
meyers fraud. He can tell you about the court
case where meyers was convicted of fraud.

Snip list of videos that have no useful
information like efficiency in them. The
guy doing this does know some electronics
but he doesn>t know any physics.

gaby de wilde · Guest

On Oct 11, 3:35 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
[quote]gabydewilde wrote:
On Oct 10, 8:02 am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKjUzsNj8NM&NR=1

Maybe this is in language you can understand.

The poster above is the guy who got sucked into
meyers fraud. He can tell you about the court
case where meyers was convicted of fraud.

Snip list of videos that have no useful
information like efficiency in them. The
guy doing this does know some electronics
but he doesn>t know any physics.
[/quote]
Don is a paid shill who spends his days on usenet posting
disinformation.

http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/ExxonMobil-GlobalWarming-tobacco.html

Scientists' Report Documents ExxonMobil’s Tobacco-like Disinformation
Campaign on Global Warming Science

Oil Company Spent Nearly $16 Million to Fund Skeptic Groups, Create
Confusion

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WASHINGTON, DC, Jan. 3–A new report from the Union of Concerned
Scientists offers the most comprehensive documentation to date of how
ExxonMobil has adopted the tobacco industry>s disinformation tactics,
as well as some of the same organizations and personnel, to cloud the
scientific understanding of climate change and delay action on the
issue. According to the report, ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16
million between 1998 and 2005 to a network of 43 advocacy
organizations that seek to confuse the public on global warming
science.

"ExxonMobil has manufactured uncertainty about the human causes of
global warming just as tobacco companies denied their product caused
lung cancer," said Alden Meyer, the Union of Concerned Scientists'
Director of Strategy & Policy. "A modest but effective investment has
allowed the oil giant to fuel doubt about global warming to delay
government action just as Big Tobacco did for over 40 years."

Smoke, Mirrors & Hot Air: How ExxonMobil Uses Big Tobacco>s Tactics to
"Manufacture Uncertainty" on Climate Change details how the oil
company, like the tobacco industry in previous decades, has

* raised doubts about even the most indisputable scientific
evidence
* funded an array of front organizations to create the appearance
of a broad platform for a tight-knit group of vocal climate change
contrarians who misrepresent peer-reviewed scientific findings
* attempted to portray its opposition to action as a positive
quest for "sound science" rather than business self-interest
* used its access to the Bush administration to block federal
policies and shape government communications on global warming

ExxonMobil-funded organizations consist of an overlapping collection
of individuals serving as staff, board members, and scientific
advisors that publish and re-publish the works of a small group of
climate change contrarians. The George C. Marshall Institute, for
instance, which has received $630,000 from ExxonMobil, recently touted
a book edited by Patrick Michaels, a long-time climate change
contrarian who is affiliated with at least 11 organizations funded by
ExxonMobil. Similarly, ExxonMobil funds a number of lesser-known
groups such as the Annapolis Center for Science-Based Public Policy
and Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow. Both groups promote the
work of several climate change contrarians, including Sallie Baliunas,
an astrophysicist who is affiliated with at least nine ExxonMobil-
funded groups.

Baliunas is best known for a 2003 paper alleging the climate had not
changed significantly in the past millennia that was rebutted by 13
scientists who stated she had misrepresented their work in her paper.
This renunciation did not stop ExxonMobil-funded groups from
continuing to promote the paper. Through methods such as these,
ExxonMobil has been able to amplify and prop up work that has been
discredited by reputable climate scientists.

"When one looks closely, ExxonMobil>s underhanded strategy is as clear
and indisputable as the scientific research it>s meant to discredit,"
said Seth Shulman, an investigative journalist who wrote the UCS
report. "The paper trail shows that, to serve its corporate
interests, ExxonMobil has built a vast echo chamber of seemingly
independent groups with the express purpose of spreading
disinformation about global warming."

ExxonMobil has used the laudable goal of improving scientific
understanding of global warming—under the guise of "sound science"—for
the pernicious ends of delaying action to reduce heat-trapping
emissions indefinitely. ExxonMobil also exerted unprecedented
influence over U.S. policy on global warming, from successfully
recommending the appointment of key personnel in the Bush
administration to funding climate change deniers in Congress.

"As a scientist, I like to think that facts will prevail, and they do
eventually," said Dr. James McCarthy, Alexander Agassiz Professor of
Biological Oceanography at Harvard University and former chair of the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change>s working group on climate
change impacts. "It>s shameful that ExxonMobil has sought to obscure
the facts for so long when the future of our planet depends on the
steps we take now and in the coming years."

The burning of oil and other fossil fuels results in additional
atmospheric carbon dioxide that blankets the Earth and traps heat. The
amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased greatly over the last
century and global temperatures are rising as a result. Though
solutions are available now that will cut global warming emissions
while creating jobs, saving consumers money, and protecting our
national security, ExxonMobil has manufactured confusion around
climate change science, and these actions have helped to forestall
meaningful action that could minimize the impacts of future climate
change.

"ExxonMobil needs to be held accountable for its cynical
disinformation campaign on global warming," said Meyer. "Consumers,
shareholders and Congress should let the company know loud and clear
that its behavior on this issue is unacceptable and must change."


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