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gdewilde@gmail.com · Guest

On Sep 11, 9:00 pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian <n...@example.net>
wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:02:16 -0700, gdewi...@gmail.com wrote:

You can post your petroapologistics, childish insults and pathetic
lies below.

Crackpot. If you call Conservation of Energy a childish insult and/
or a pathetic lie, then you need some serious psychiatric attention.

Cheers!
Rich
[/quote]
huh? What are you psychiatrist doing in this group?

Eeyore · Guest

Don Lancaster wrote:

[quote]Eeyore wrote:
Don Lancaster wrote:

Cavitation heaters are useful and efficient, but there is NO WAY they
provide overunity energy.

Don>t tell their fans that. It was popular here a year or two ago.

I was involved in a company that got sucked into these back in 1961.
They seem to originate in southeastern pennsylvania.

The most logical explanation is that cavitation is a highly nonlinear
mechanical load. Presenting rms difficulties comparable to measuring
pulse power.

And even less expected by a mechanical engineer than an electrical one.
[/quote]
I bet that>s true. Very good point.

Graham

Eeyore · Guest

knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:

[quote]On Oct 10, 8:04 am, starnes...@gmail.com wrote:
Did I say anything about overunity? What I think its doing is just
maybe getting upto the 100% efficient. But yes there is loss. Also
I>m building the Stanley Meyer control circuit. There are a few people
saying that the controller makes a condition that converts normal
electrical power over to cold electrical power? Anyone have some
opinions on cold electrical power?

This isn>t an experimenters forum.
[/quote]
Certainly not in your case. What happened to your plans to build a Meyer
electrolyser ?

[quote]This is a deny, detract, obfuscate forum.
[/quote]
And you>re doing all 3 of those for sure.

Graham

gdewilde@gmail.com · Guest

On Sep 25, 8:31 am, "gdewi...@gmail.com" <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Thushara Priyamal Edirisinghe is an engineer from Athurugiriya.
According to a Sri Lanka Daily News report Thushara is powering a car
by water, using an extremely low amount of electricity. Prime Minister
Ratnasiri Wickramanayaka pledged to provide bank loans and facilities
to carry out the conversion of fuel-powered engines to water-powered
ones.

The car, travelled from Christ King College, Pannipitiya, Thushara, to
Anuradhapura and back on mere three litres of water.(80 km/l) Thushara
claims the energy is produced by the splitting water into separate
Hydrogen and Oxygen molecules using a current of barely 0.5 amperes
then burning it in the engine. According to the news report Thushara
claims the technology existed for 60 years and that the generator
could be fixed to any petrol or diesel vehicle with suitable
adjustments. Using "water" as opposed to oil that react with
lubricating oil would also extend the life of the vehicle.

Ratnasiri Wickramanayaka
Thushara explained the technology behind his creation to the Prime
Minister of Sri Lanka Ratnasiri Wickramanayaka at Temple Trees
Wednesday, 15 July 2008 Prime Minister Ratnasiri Wickramanayaka (who
also holds portfolios of Minister of Internal Administration and
Deputy Minister of Defense) extended the Government’s fullest support
to his efforts to introduce the water-powered car to the Sri Lankan
market. The Premier also pledged to provide bank loans and facilities
to carry out the conversion of fuel-powered engines to water-powered

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_7S48Mu_H4http://www.bi-me.com/main.php?id=22816&t=1&c=33&cg=4&...http://www.dailynews.lk/2008/07/16/news12.asphttp://www.dailynews.lk/2008/07/19/fea03.asphttp://www.sinhalaya.com/news/english/wmview.php?ArtID=15582http://www.boaoforum.com/CPF/News_ShowContent-en.asp?Seq=2005000480
[/quote]
The inventor has gone in hiding.

This is because it is real.

:-)

http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress

doug · Guest

knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:

[quote]On Oct 10, 8:04 am, starnes...@gmail.com wrote:

Did I say anything about overunity? What I think its doing is just
maybe getting upto the 100% efficient. But yes there is loss. Also
I>m building the Stanley Meyer control circuit. There are a few people
saying that the controller makes a condition that converts normal
electrical power over to cold electrical power? Anyone have some
opinions on cold electrical power?

This isn>t an experimenters forum.
This is a deny, detract, obfuscate forum.
These guys are more interested in "you not wasting your time" because
you might find out something they can>t fathom.
Put on your flame retarding suit if your going to do serious
experiments with a Meyer circuit and discuss it here.
They can>t and won>t help.

We, of course, welcome careful experiments. They show that meyer[/quote]
was a fraud and there was nothing useful in his work. He was not
interested in separating hydrogen from oxygen, he was interested
in separating stupid people from their money.

Guest

On Oct 10, 3:45 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
[quote]knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Oct 8, 4:27 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
gdewi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 7, 8:31 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
The patents are free now.
A correct observation.
There is a need. But nothing shows up in the market.
The point of the post was to show some patents.
Pretty good proof it does not work.
Pretty good proof of deductive reasoning.
It is also interesting that these folks pushing this have never built one themselves. That is somehow our responsibility in their minds.
Nice try but that what I build wouldn>t be more credible than
everything readily available to you.
http://www.biosmeanslife.com
http://www.ecotube.co.nz
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/bc38645c8dc05b....
On Jun 4, 5:19 am, "gdewi...@gmail.com" <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/dominionpost/4235639a6479.html
Bios Fuel began with a concept in 1996, as founder Steve Ryan was
tinkering with an old motorbike engine in an Auckland garage. He
started to believe that burning the hydrogen contained in water in a
combustion engine was not just science fiction. In 2002 he left a
finance career to focus on researching the concept.
On May 23, 7:33 pm, "gdewi...@gmail.com" <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Whilst completing the 2007 World Solar Challenge, the Bios Fuel team
raised enough funds for ChildFund NZ to install Safe Water Facilities
in 3 schools in India. Safe drinking water is a major problem in
developing countries such as India. The safe drinking water facility
for the schools will contribute to minimising water borne diseases
caused from drinking and using dirty water. Water borne diseases cause
1 out of every 4 deaths in children around the world, that’s 5,000
deaths a day.
Among his inventions Steve Ryan has developed a process by which his
stock Suzuki 350cc motorcycle runs on regular tap water.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW_LQqJk740
The homepage:http://www.biosmeanslife.com/home.html
Some coverage:http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0711/S00017.htm
A quick rundown on the water fuel topic.http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
Looking at xogen for example we do have the means of giving everyone
drinking water the moment we want to.
http://xogen.ca
On May 23, 8:24 pm, gaby de wilde <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:>http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0711/S00017.htm
As part of the Greenfleet Class of the Panasonic World Solar Challenge
2007 New Zealand company Bios Fuel Corporation has demonstrated what
many believe to be the impossible - running a virtually unmodified
diesel engine on their H2W+ fuel blend comprising of 40% Water and 60%
Waste Mineral oil for 3000 kilometres across the Australian Desert.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:BiosFuel
New Zealand inventor, Steve Ryan, claims to have devised a method of
using water used as fuel directly, in contrast to using water as a
source of Hydrogen, which then serves as the combustable fuel. More
recently, the company has developed a proprietary catalyst that
enables water to mix with waste oil to provide fuel. The mixtures are
in process of being tested by the EPA in the U.S., the results of
which are expected in January or February of 2008.
And here it is October of 2008! What were the results? Positive? If so
we sure could use it immediately. Is the EPA hiding the results. Of
course Bush>s minions are well known for suppressing science. But what a
coup for the Bush administration to announce they had solved the high
price of petroleum problem. They wouldn>t miss that. What is your opinion?
FK

Why would Bush and his oil soaked cabal of New World Orderists that
are MAKING BILLIONS off their WAR MACHINE, who>s DOCUMENTED agenda is
DEPOPULATION of the planet, want YOU to have "free" energy?

Why don>t you read about the Agenda of the CFR?
Check the part about a "manageable population."
Why do you think the "schools" are dumbing down everyone?
Why do you think they built a fiat money system owned and controlled
by Zionist Banksters which is PURPOSE BUILT TO FAIL is falling apart
as we speak?
Why do you think Rosthchild wouldn>t give Meyer the financing he
needed to get his work established?
I>ll tell you.
Because Meyer wouldn>t remove his "Christ is Lord' off his materials
and machines.

You think Bush and his Satanic friends are looking out for you and me?

You are a bigger fool than I thought.

This is the biggest laugh I have had in many years. I presume you also
have proof positive that I am somehow also an agent of the devil.
[/quote]
No, you just think you know EVERYTHING there is to know about Quantum
phenomenon.

[quote]Are
you somehow claiming to be a Messiah?
[/quote]
No such thing.
Never was, never will be.

[quote]You and your minions have been
given holy orders to lead us all into a some paradise where the laws of
thermodynamics are no longer needed.
[/quote]
Never claimed anything of the sort and neither did Meyer.
Water and electricity in, water and heat out.
The equation balances.

[quote]And for that matter I suppose that
we also really won>t need any energy for all sorts of essentials whatsoever.

[/quote]
Now I see why you teach, to help dumb down the population.

[quote]Hey, I like that wonderful canard about (this proves once again that you
are really JW, since he was the only one to use the term "banksters" on
this NG) "Zionists Bankster".
[/quote]
Is that so?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22banksters&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq121,000 hits.

[quote]There are perhaps about 12 million persons
in this world who identify as Jews.
[/quote]
So?

[quote]Of that perhaps about 25% of them
are supporters of Zionism (a commitment to a certain part of the near
east as a traditional national home for those who identify as Jews.) The
percentage of Zionists among my friends and business acquaintances is
even smaller.
[/quote]
So?

[quote]Most Jews would have prefered a fresh start in the "new
world" where there is no official anti-semitism nor overwhelming
population anti-semitism.
[/quote]
Yup.
Fact is THEY EAT THEIR OWN.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jews+against+zionism&btnG=Search
But it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the whole barrel.
Many "Zionists" are not jews.
The are plenty of Christian Zionists too.
They are all EVIL little Fuckers.

[quote]But the fragment of European Jewry after the
Holocaust wanted a location where they could determine their own way of
life and support themselves in a traditional homeland.
[/quote]
Better get your history straight and start with the Belfour
Declaration.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=BELFOUR+DECLARATION&spell=1

[quote]That is what
Zionism is all about and it has nothing to do with banks international
or not.
[/quote]
Sure.

[quote]Contrary to your revealed anti-semitism only a very small
portion of the banking world has Jews in high places.
[/quote]
They change their names like Chameleons change their colors.
http://www.burkes-peerage.net

[quote]The Rothschilds
are not one of the megabanks of the world and are as much a tool
manipulated by the super banks as you are a tool of the bank down the
street from where you live.
[/quote]
But ear-witness still claim they wouldn>t give Meyer financing because
he wouldn>t change his logo.

[quote]I doubt that Meyer approached the Rothshilds
at all.
[/quote]
So?
You doubt everything about Meyer.
You refuse to believe eyewitnesses and experimenters.
If it "Isn>t Peer Reviewed" you say "it>s impossible."

Who "peer reviewed" Galileo, Copernicus, Kepler?

[quote]Why would he deal with a fairly large French bank when there are
lots of US banks that would deal with such modest industrial loans as he
wanted rather than a French bank that was used to dealing with very
large corporations in Europe.
[/quote]
Because they are all controlled by the same guys that control the
media.

[quote]You perfervid anti-semitism makes you
incapable of any rational argument at all.

FK
[/quote]
Y
Want to ask my Jewish friends if that is true?
They hate they>re evil cousins too.
I told you they eat their own.
They helped Hitler waste a few hundred thousand of their own, helped
finance Stalin to wipe a few million others, and now make millions on
their "victim-hood."
Nice racket.
3% of the population of the planet controls 90% of the wealth Freddy
boy.
5% controls 95%.
13 Satanic Bloodlines.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22satanic+bloodlines%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

Fred Kasner · Guest

gabydewilde wrote:

.... snip worthless and unprovable assertions ...

[quote]So now, you are no longer telling us that Meyer (as some reported)
claimed he wsa poisoned. Now you repeat is as truth (without any
evidence presented at all) that Meyer was poisoned. More of your
unprovable assertions.
FK

Where is your contribution Fred Professor?
[/quote]
ASTM Committee D.02.11 (Testing and properties of high performance
aerospace fluids)

[quote]Make me read hogwash?

Why are you writing this, I really want to know now.
[/quote]
I really am glad you want to know why I respond to such nonsense. I have
spent the larger part of my career in education. I got started in this
stuff after doing some research at Argonne National Laboratory on the
thermodynamics of lanthanum nickel hydride formation (at one time a
promising carrier for hydrogen for motive power) and came to this news
group because there was a lot of nonsense being circulated by some
participants.

[quote]Do you earn a lot of money with the smear campaine?
[/quote]
I have made absolutely no money nor have I smeared anyone who wasn>t
insistent that
I and others were - as do you - villains for repeating the truth about
false claims in regard to hydrogen as a fuel.

[quote]Is it worth killing everyone?
[/quote]
My killing days ended with the end of WWII.

[quote]Who gets the best pay? You, Don Lancaster, Doug or rabbit man?
[/quote]
I believe they all get the same pay as do I. Namely a negative amount as
there are some
expenses involved as well as a lot of time in attempting to refute
claims that the laws of themodynamics can be repealed by bluster alone.

FK

Fred Kasner · Guest

knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
[quote]On Oct 8, 4:27 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
gdewi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 7, 8:31 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
The patents are free now.
A correct observation.
There is a need. But nothing shows up in the market.
The point of the post was to show some patents.
Pretty good proof it does not work.
Pretty good proof of deductive reasoning.
It is also interesting that these folks pushing this have never built one themselves. That is somehow our responsibility in their minds.
Nice try but that what I build wouldn>t be more credible than
everything readily available to you.
http://www.biosmeanslife.com
http://www.ecotube.co.nz
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/bc38645c8dc05b...
On Jun 4, 5:19 am, "gdewi...@gmail.com" <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/dominionpost/4235639a6479.html
Bios Fuel began with a concept in 1996, as founder Steve Ryan was
tinkering with an old motorbike engine in an Auckland garage. He
started to believe that burning the hydrogen contained in water in a
combustion engine was not just science fiction. In 2002 he left a
finance career to focus on researching the concept.
On May 23, 7:33 pm, "gdewi...@gmail.com" <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Whilst completing the 2007 World Solar Challenge, the Bios Fuel team
raised enough funds for ChildFund NZ to install Safe Water Facilities
in 3 schools in India. Safe drinking water is a major problem in
developing countries such as India. The safe drinking water facility
for the schools will contribute to minimising water borne diseases
caused from drinking and using dirty water. Water borne diseases cause
1 out of every 4 deaths in children around the world, that’s 5,000
deaths a day.
Among his inventions Steve Ryan has developed a process by which his
stock Suzuki 350cc motorcycle runs on regular tap water.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW_LQqJk740
The homepage:http://www.biosmeanslife.com/home.html
Some coverage:http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0711/S00017.htm
A quick rundown on the water fuel topic.http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
Looking at xogen for example we do have the means of giving everyone
drinking water the moment we want to.
http://xogen.ca
On May 23, 8:24 pm, gaby de wilde <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:>http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0711/S00017.htm
As part of the Greenfleet Class of the Panasonic World Solar Challenge
2007 New Zealand company Bios Fuel Corporation has demonstrated what
many believe to be the impossible - running a virtually unmodified
diesel engine on their H2W+ fuel blend comprising of 40% Water and 60%
Waste Mineral oil for 3000 kilometres across the Australian Desert.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:BiosFuel
New Zealand inventor, Steve Ryan, claims to have devised a method of
using water used as fuel directly, in contrast to using water as a
source of Hydrogen, which then serves as the combustable fuel. More
recently, the company has developed a proprietary catalyst that
enables water to mix with waste oil to provide fuel. The mixtures are
in process of being tested by the EPA in the U.S., the results of
which are expected in January or February of 2008.
And here it is October of 2008! What were the results? Positive? If so
we sure could use it immediately. Is the EPA hiding the results. Of
course Bush>s minions are well known for suppressing science. But what a
coup for the Bush administration to announce they had solved the high
price of petroleum problem. They wouldn>t miss that. What is your opinion?
FK

Why would Bush and his oil soaked cabal of New World Orderists that
are MAKING BILLIONS off their WAR MACHINE, who>s DOCUMENTED agenda is
DEPOPULATION of the planet, want YOU to have "free" energy?

Why don>t you read about the Agenda of the CFR?
Check the part about a "manageable population."
Why do you think the "schools" are dumbing down everyone?
Why do you think they built a fiat money system owned and controlled
by Zionist Banksters which is PURPOSE BUILT TO FAIL is falling apart
as we speak?
Why do you think Rosthchild wouldn>t give Meyer the financing he
needed to get his work established?
I>ll tell you.
Because Meyer wouldn>t remove his "Christ is Lord' off his materials
and machines.

You think Bush and his Satanic friends are looking out for you and me?

You are a bigger fool than I thought.
[/quote]
This is the biggest laugh I have had in many years. I presume you also
have proof positive that I am somehow also an agent of the devil. Are
you somehow claiming to be a Messiah? You and your minions have been
given holy orders to lead us all into a some paradise where the laws of
thermodynamics are no longer needed. And for that matter I suppose that
we also really won>t need any energy for all sorts of essentials whatsoever.

Hey, I like that wonderful canard about (this proves once again that you
are really JW, since he was the only one to use the term "banksters" on
this NG) "Zionists Bankster". There are perhaps about 12 million persons
in this world who identify as Jews. Of that perhaps about 25% of them
are supporters of Zionism (a commitment to a certain part of the near
east as a traditional national home for those who identify as Jews.) The
percentage of Zionists among my friends and business acquaintances is
even smaller. Most Jews would have prefered a fresh start in the "new
world" where there is no official anti-semitism nor overwhelming
population anti-semitism. But the fragment of European Jewry after the
Holocaust wanted a location where they could determine their own way of
life and support themselves in a traditional homeland. That is what
Zionism is all about and it has nothing to do with banks international
or not. Contrary to your revealed anti-semitism only a very small
portion of the banking world has Jews in high places. The Rothschilds
are not one of the megabanks of the world and are as much a tool
manipulated by the super banks as you are a tool of the bank down the
street from where you live. I doubt that Meyer approached the Rothshilds
at all. Why would he deal with a fairly large French bank when there are
lots of US banks that would deal with such modest industrial loans as he
wanted rather than a French bank that was used to dealing with very
large corporations in Europe. You perfervid anti-semitism makes you
incapable of any rational argument at all.

FK

gabydewilde · Guest

On Oct 11, 12:27 am, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
[quote]gabydewilde wrote:

... snip worthless and unprovable assertions ...

So now, you are no longer telling us that Meyer (as some reported)
claimed he wsa poisoned. Now you repeat is as truth (without any
evidence presented at all) that Meyer was poisoned. More of your
unprovable assertions.
FK

Where is your contribution Fred Professor?

ASTM Committee D.02.11 (Testing and properties of high performance
aerospace fluids)

[/quote]
Ohhhh, so you work directly for the US Department Of Energy fundies.

How revealing.

[quote]I really am glad you want to know why I respond to such nonsense.
[/quote]
Liar.

[quote]I got started in this
stuff after doing some research at Argonne National Laboratory on the
thermodynamics of lanthanum nickel hydride formation (at one time a
promising carrier for hydrogen for motive power)
[/quote]
AHHH HAHAHA

HOAX HOAX HOAX !!!

IT DIDN>T WORK !!! !

HOAX HOAX HOAX! ! !!

HAHAHAHAHHAHA

Who paid for that Fred? The tax payer again?

But that you was incapable of gettin it to work is the most hilarious
part.

I suppose the public has to pay AGAIN to see your "results"?

You are sitting here stalking the public from public funds?

Disgusting!

Here, some sample DOE lies:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LENRCANRthedoelies.pdf
In 2004, the DoE promised to fairly evaluate Cold Fusion claims with
an impartial group of experts. Because the DoE placed
unreasonable limitations on the review process, the necessary
information was not communicated to the assembled experts.
Inevitably, this meant the review was riddled with error,
misunderstanding, and outright rejection based largely on ignorance.
Yet, the Review Summary promised to fairly evaluate any proposal
that was properly submitted. But when the DoE is given a chance to
fulfill this second promise in 2005, they failed again

It>s either EPIC FAIL or the DOE lies again and again.

Why the DOE prefers neoconversation of energy over actual experiments?
http://lenr-canr.org/Collections/DoeReview.htm

If it looks like a lie and it stinks like a lie then it is a lie. Lets
have MOAR examples of your DOE lies Fred Kasner with the failed
hydrogen project.

Thermonuclear transmutation of nuclear waste
Brown>s Gas can efficiently neutralize radioactive waste though
transmutation right at the reactor[8] [9] [10] [11] [12] thus removing
the need for transportation or storage of nuclear waste. Such
application can revolutionize the nuclear industry.[13]

Transmutation of radioactive waste
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R5G5hTC7pc

Here is some Real science on the topic. Not the petroapologistic
warmongering DOE crap.

http://pacenet.homestead.com/Nucwaste.html
http://pacenet.homestead.com/Transmutation.html

Former state assemblyman Dan Haley from New York investigated the lack
of response after the US Department of Energy observed such
demonstration of transmutation. The DEO invented numerous excuses
after which addressed they finally decided they had seen nothing.

The DOE argued 1) "the radioactivity was encapsulated in the sample",
but the sample was crushed and the Geiger counter reading was the
same. They argued 2) "the radioactivity must be disparaged into the
atmosphere" while the department of health preformed in depth
investigation of the environment. This much to the frustration of the
nuclear physicist preforming the research for it suggested their
incompetence. The laboratory was not closed clearly indicating no
radioactivity was found in or around the building. In stead (after 3
months) the government payroll advanced to the claim they had seen
nothing.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=411405755714495752

Nuf said.

All the government was interested in was shutting down the research
over public health.

After 3 months they claimed to have seen nothing!!

BLABLABLABLABLABLA

Uberman reports how the DOE head lies about katrina oil spills.
http://projectkatrina.com/2008/07/31/doe-head-lies-about-katrina-oil-spills/

The following is a summary of CORRE>s detailed rebuttal of misleading
information provided by DOE on the contractor pension plans in Oak
Ridge and nationally.
http://www.corre.info/Features/rebuttal_disinfo.htm

What is a climate disinformation activist and former Cheney
speechwriter doing as #2 at DOE Science?
http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/index.php/csw/details/jeffrey_salmon/

[quote]Do you earn a lot of money with the smear campaine?

I have made absolutely no money nor have I smeared anyone who wasn>t
insistent that.....
[/quote]
First you say you work for the DOE, then you say they didn>t give you
money for it.

Now you are saying you havn>t smeared anyone who wasn>t..."

So you don>t deny the smear, and you don>t deny you get your money
from the DOE.

Nuf said.

Retirees from DOE Contractors in Oak Ridge retire with an equivalent
of over 99% of their working salary as retirement income.
http://home.comcast.net/~brooks50/AddDisReichle.htm

JA JA JA JA JA JA BWHAHAHAHA

MOAR than 350 documents/videos concerning the energy scam:

http://www.byronwine.com/

The curtain has fallen the show is over, and all the King>s horses And
all the King>s men Couldn>t put Humpty together again!

Lie to me moar petroapologist you.

_____
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress

gabydewilde · Guest

On Oct 9, 2:52 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
[quote]doug wrote:
knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lawton+cell&search_type
This is a video, not a test. Where are the results?

They go "ooh look it fizzes" and that>s all the proof they apparently need.
[/quote]
Yes Rabbit man, that is all the proof I need. You just chose not to
see his his progress while building it.

I do have to give you some credit, looking at the devoted
disinformation brigade there is a possibility it is all fake.

After his first email it took the Indian tax office 5 hours to raid
Ravi for building his cell.

That could also be one of your disinformation buddies.

Thushara Priyamal Edirisinghe claims to be hiding now.

That could also be one of your disinfo buddies.

Genepax is test driving 2 water fueled cars in Japan.

Sure, that could be an investment scam.

Daniel Dingle has 100 cars running on water in the Philipines.

He is probably making a mistake right?

John W. Keely first build a car running water then build a car running
on nothing. Keely was an expert in sympathetic vibration. Knowing a
bit about chemistry and physics doesn>t make you an expert on
acoustics. Music is a study in it self.

But you don>t know what sympathy is so it>s probably another hoax
right?

Dad Garrett and Charles Garrett drove the journalists around town
refueling at the lake. They also invented police and firetruck radio
so at the very least they knew their electronics.

Tesla build a car that didn>t use any fuel.

But Tesla is a krank right? What excellent scientific argument! NOT

Joseph Papp converted piston engines to run without fuel using a noble
gas mix.

etc etc etc

And you don>t know shit about any of it.

So lets not pretend your opinion peaces have any value.

Here is my car design specially for you debunkor types:

http://wind-car.go-here.nl/

Well? Debunk it?

Tell me why it doesn>t werk?

Lie to me moar?

[quote]Why bother with measurements and publishing results ?
[/quote]
My homepage explains everything you need to know about the wind car.

[quote]It>s a bit like a religion isn>t it ?
[/quote]
Yes, it>s like religion in that it is based on the love for mankind.

Then again you got all your truth>s from bookies. HAHAHA

[quote]What is it they ? 'Proof denies faith' I think therfore they must never find proof or their religion will crumble.

[/quote]
Debunk the wind car rabbit man.

Go fer it.

Lie to me moar.

_____
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress
http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/water-fueled-car/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/2

gabydewilde · Guest

On Oct 14, 12:16 am, Rick <rick_so...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 13, 11:57 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
[snip disninfo 101]
But you say it doesn>t exist so you must be too lazy to click and do a
search on google.
[/quote]
No, they are here to lie to you, they lie about this topic for 12
years every day 1000 posts per day. The idea is to piss you off. You
cant find a single topic about Browns gas without a petroleum lizard
crying about his monopoly.

You must be on to something.

Look how BoingBoing is debunking Kanzius who is curing cancer with
radio waves.

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/09/01/garage-researcher-bu.html

The partisan hack writes how he thinks Kanzius added the salt water by
accident. I suppose he is also injecting people with nano gold
particles by accident. And look! Accidentally found a miracle cancer
cure!

This is the physics group btw, we should be talking in
sci.energy.hydrogen.

Lets find more good youtube videos.

On Oct 13, 8:45 pm, Rick <rick_so...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]You know I was wondering if it would be possible to heat a room with a
space heater, you know one of those little fan heaters that plug in
and radiate heat at about 1000 watts to heat your rec room, anyways if
you could make one, that runs on a triple A battery. You know one of
those penlight flashlight batteries.

And so how I would do that, is I would make an HHO converter, to
create a small HHO flame, like a welding torch used in jewelry making,
and then heat up a ceramic brick red hot, and then let the radiant
heat heat up the room.

What do you think of that idea?

Hear is a large Brown>s Gas generator at work and you can see that
although HHO is a cool flame it heats up a brick.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ItyiJ1uBUY

And so then if all you need to do is to create some HHO and let it
heat up the brick slowly maybe you can just use a small battery to
make the HHO?
Like this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zMNg3slO1U

What do you think?
[/quote]
On Oct 13, 11:21 pm, Rick <rick_so...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]
If you are wondering if you can run a big truck on something like
this, well its really just a matter of efficiency and design.

If you examine this device made in a garage Thomas Edison style, you
can see that with this output, you might put a rocket into space.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlwjgF5n-ac&feature=related[/quote]

gabydewilde · Guest

On Oct 14, 7:37 pm, Rick <rick_so...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 14, 2:39 pm, "Cwatters"

colin.wattersNOS...@TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com> wrote:
"Rick" <rick_so...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:e24a6ac3-a29c-4da5-b080-9d353c2dbd2d@a3g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

You know I was wondering if it would be possible to heat a room with a
space heater, you know one of those little fan heaters that plug in
and radiate heat at about 1000 watts to heat your rec room, anyways if
you could make one, that runs on a triple A battery. You know one of
those penlight flashlight batteries.

Yes that might work... but perhaps we should calculate the battery life....

An AA size battery has a capacity of about 3AH at 1.2-1.5V

That>s about 1.5 x 60 x 60 x 3 = 48,000 Joules.

One Joule = 1Watt Second so one AA cell could in theory power a 1000W heater
for 48 seconds.

However a real AA cell has internal resistance so at the current required
to power a 1KW heater the voltage wouldn>t anything like as high as 1.5V.

So in theory yes an AA cell can power a 1000W heater for 48 seconds. In
reality it hasn>t a hope.

We are not talking about an electric heater, we are talking about a
gas heater.
The electric part is the part needed to separate the atoms in the H2O
molecule, and so then how much current does it take to break the
covalent bond of an H2O atom, and so then we can look at a plant and
see that it uses water, and does not have any batteries.
We can look at the Casimir Effect and see that it can extract energy
from the vacuum, zero point energy still no batteries.
So then we are looking at a process where the covalent bond of H2O can
be interfered with sufficiently to cause the the H2O molecule to
disassemble.
And so then in one example in this thread a person uses a flask and
electrolysis and a 6 volt battery.
HHO is produced. And he lights it, it burns.

In another example a person hooks up his plates to his car battery
with booster cables and copious amounts of HHO are produced.
In distilled water with stainless steel and nothing more.

So then the question is how refined a process can be created, so that
just a tiny amount of current, such as a triple A battery, can be used
to interfere with the covalent bond of H2O.

And so then perhaps a static charge can be used to augment the
process, perhaps using the Casimir Effect and an electrolytic
solution, perhaps a frequency modulator, to get some feedback into the
system and amplify the effect.

If you examine this unit, you will see he was getting amazing amounts
of gas using frequency modulation.
[/quote]

Don>t feed the trolls! They first need proper economic conditioning.

HHO RESONANCE - How to find resonance frequency!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFVE0PO0s2w

Rick · Guest

[quote]
Don>t feed the trolls! They first need proper economic conditioning.

[/quote]
They are harmless. If Edison would have listened to them we would
still be going to bed at 7 pm, wives would still be barefoot pregnant
and in the kitchen, children would be seen and not heard, and horse
and buggy carriages would be out there, in the street, outside the 5
and dime. "Go wind the victrola fer yer mother, can>t you see she has
her hands up there in that there chickens' behind? And fetch my pipe
and slippers, then go chop some wood. Its almost 6 o>clock."

[quote]HHO RESONANCE - How to find resonance frequency!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFVE0PO0s2w
[/quote]
Well if you notice Stan>s machine, he has some sort of motor turning a
belt, and so maybe it is creating a static charge under his orgone
displacement tubes. (We can make up stuff like that just to piss them
off. They love it when you use the word orgone)


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