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JosephKK · Guest

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:41:03 -0500, "Tim Williams"
<tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:

[quote]"Baron" <baron.nospam@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:g6il3c$6vr$1@registered.motzarella.org...
Try the registry

There>s a few million entries (well, almost). Care to be a bit more
specific?

or how about ADS ! Or try your printer driver ! Maybe
word docs ! Outlook Express 6. How about that nice little webcam you
just bought ?

I don>t have a webcam.

The point is just about everything that you install phones home !

Even L-View Pro 1.D2/32? :^)

Tim
[/quote]
Probably. Some programs are polite enough to tell you that they are
"phoning home" every time you start it (usually once at install time).
It is easy to see on "dial-up" connections, not so visible for "always
on" connections.

mpm · Guest

On Jul 29, 6:44�pm, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
[quote]"Martin Brown" <|||newspam...@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in message

I fully realize that Microsoft is a lot more than Windows, but still -- if I
had 65,000 employees, I>d be expecting something closer to a cure for cancer
than a few dancing animations and flashly 3D effects.
[/quote]
Dude. Don>t forget "Clipie"
Clipie rocks!!

[quote]
But Excel 2007 is particularly lamentable...
[/quote]
Agreed. But Excel 2003 rocks. '97 was even better. (at least from a
VBA coding perspective.)
That dot-net stuff really didn>t help Excel in my humble opinion.

-mpm

mpm · Guest

On Jul 27, 12:51�pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

[quote]So why does it do the simple stuff wrong?

If I insert a jpeg into a document, it may appear pages away from
where I drop it, or it may disappear entirely. And if I try to grab it
and move it, about a third of the time I can>t pick it at all.

And Word seems to pick fonts randomly.
[/quote]

Sorry John.
I forgot I was involved in this thread.

I do have a couple tricks for you that will help your aggrevation with
Word.

When you want to place an image (JPG, etc..) in your Word Document.
Insert a Text Box first. Then place your image in the text box.

If you want, you can later select the text box and get rid of the
border (a little tricky to do with the mouse, because the text box
and image handles almost overlap, but you>ll get the hang of it.).
Unless you like the border, of course.

By using a text box to hold the image, you can place it anywhere you
want, whereas an image will move around a lot depending on where your
other text is on the page. You can also set the wrap style for a
text box directly, drag the image to the desired size, along with lots
of other familiar properties, etc...

Try it out. I guarantee you you will never go back to the old way of
doing it!

The command are: (In page view, preferably)
Insert - Text Box, then drag out a text box where you want it.
Immediately after that (the cursor will be inside the text box,
click:
Insert - Picture - From File (or Clipart, or ??)
Boom. Problem solved.

As for changing fonts, I>m guessing it>s the style that changing, not
the font attribute directly. You do have to pay attention to the use
of Style, or it can get pretty confusing. Especially when cutting &
pasting. Sometimes the results can be unexpected.

If this happens, don>t start changing the font directly. Just make
the selection and change the style (dropdown). The selection will
inherit all the properties of the selected style. Done!!!

Anyway, hope this helps.

-mpm

mpm · Guest

On Jul 30, 9:15�pm, mpm <mpmill...@aol.com> wrote:

[quote]When you want to place an image (JPG, etc..) in your Word Document.
Insert a Text Box first. �Then place your image in the text box.
[/quote]
Oops - I left something (minor) out.
Pay some attention to where you drop the text box.
If you put it too close to the edge of a page, your printer driver may
not print it.

By edge, I mean too close to the physical page edge, not Word>s
margins.
A text box (or images in a text box) outside Word>s margins will still
print, as long as the printer driver is OK with it. (It has to do
with the way the paper transport mechanism grabs the page.)

Generally you don>t want stuff that close to the edge anyway, so this
trick is hardly ever a problem. -mpm

JosephKK · Guest

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:09:02 -0500, "Tim Williams"
<tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:

[quote]"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:dicp841jsjbk0pb54h957c1i2tgbgtuaq8@4ax.com...
So why does it do the simple stuff wrong?

If I insert a jpeg into a document, it may appear pages away from
where I drop it, or it may disappear entirely. And if I try to grab it
and move it, about a third of the time I can>t pick it at all.

LaTeX does the same thing, more often than not. Apparently it has a very
conservative heuristic for placing images, so it often places images on the
next page, or worse, *all* of them end up at the end of the chapter just
because one pushed them all out of sync with the text.

The one thing about LaTeX is, it>s structured. Word isn>t, at least in any
way you can see (I forget, maybe you can view markup on a Word file?).

So whereas merely mystifying to the ordinary user, Word is literally
impossible to understand, on a fundamental level, by the power user.
[/quote]
Oh i am not sure that i would say that. VBA macros are pretty handy.

[quote]
Incidentally, my word processing experience basically includes Notepad (no
word processing per se), Wordpad (limited, but good for simple stuff, and
fast), HTML (hand typed), some OpenOffice (haven>t done anything as in-depth
as in LaTeX, but it seems to work well) and, as you might>ve guessed, LaTeX.
[/quote]
All of those but LaTeX.

[quote]
Engineers sometimes start lines with numbers. Word takes over.
[/quote]
There is a setting for that. Try looking around in
menu->tools->options.

[quote]
Now, there are packages to do this in LaTeX. I even wrote a paper including
line-numbered code, and it was even automatically highlighted (keywords,
strings, etc.) just as in the IDE. Can>t beat that!
[/quote]
I probably teach word to do that. I would not want to, the IDE editor
is better for composing software.

[quote]
And heaven help you if you inherit a document that uses the "powerful"
features, with styles set up by a Word expert. That>s like walking
into an entirely new and bizarre program you>ve never seen before.
[/quote]
I would not even blink. I have had to spend many weeks delousing
files written by others. (2.1 MB just for Section 10-3)

[quote]
I couldn>t imagine...

Tim[/quote]

John Larkin · Guest

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:19:52 -0700, JosephKK <quiettechblue@yahoo.com>
wrote:

[quote]Engineers sometimes start lines with numbers. Word takes over.

There is a setting for that. Try looking around in
menu->tools->options.
[/quote]
There are hundreds of settings. There should be one global setting,
"just do what I type and don>t give me any crap."

So if I type ...

I get ...

and all the rest.

John

mpm · Guest

On Jul 31, 1:16�pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

[quote]Why doesn>t it just put a picture where I drag and drop it?
[/quote]
Both the page, and the text box, are "containers" for the image.
The difference is a text box does not move on its container (page),
but an image does.

It>s really that simple.

-mpm

Rich Grise · Guest

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:14:59 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:19:52 -0700, JosephKK <quiettechblue@yahoo.com

Engineers sometimes start lines with numbers. Word takes over.

There is a setting for that. Try looking around in menu->tools->options.

There are hundreds of settings. There should be one global setting, "just
do what I type and don>t give me any crap."

So if I type ...

I get ...

and all the rest.

[/quote]
Well, Notepad will do that. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

John Larkin · Guest

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:13:39 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com>
wrote:

[quote]On Jul 30, 9:15?pm, mpm <mpmill...@aol.com> wrote:

When you want to place an image (JPG, etc..) in your Word Document.
Insert a Text Box first. ?Then place your image in the text box.

Oops - I left something (minor) out.
Pay some attention to where you drop the text box.
If you put it too close to the edge of a page, your printer driver may
not print it.

By edge, I mean too close to the physical page edge, not Word>s
margins.
A text box (or images in a text box) outside Word>s margins will still
print, as long as the printer driver is OK with it. (It has to do
with the way the paper transport mechanism grabs the page.)

Generally you don>t want stuff that close to the edge anyway, so this
trick is hardly ever a problem. -mpm

[/quote]
Why doesn>t it just put a picture where I drag and drop it?

Interestingly, the Mac version of Word does this a lot better.

Macs do everything better. When I got my wife a Mac, the only thing
that didn>t work right was Word. So we gave up and shut it down. Next
day, it worked great. I>m convinced that the Mac OS includes a
background Word repair demon.

It>s like DOS. It wasn>t a total piece of Microcrap because IBM QC>d
the hell out of it at source-code level.

John

mpm · Guest

On Jul 31, 6:27�pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:24:33 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmill...@aol.com
wrote:

On Jul 31, 1:16?pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

Why doesn>t it just put a picture where I drag and drop it?

Both the page, and the text box, are "containers" for the image.
The difference is a text box does not move on its container (page),
but an image does.

It>s really that simple.

It>s really that stupid.
[/quote]
You know what they say....
"It is a poor workman who blames his tools."

But I do hear you loud and clear.
Microsoft Word is not exactly user-friendly, and is crammed packed
with a lot of features the average Joe neither wants nor uses. It>s
not that difficult to learn, though I agree word processing should be
appliance level by now. Like a toaster oven. :)

-mpm

John Larkin · Guest

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:24:33 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com>
wrote:

[quote]On Jul 31, 1:16?pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

Why doesn>t it just put a picture where I drag and drop it?

Both the page, and the text box, are "containers" for the image.
The difference is a text box does not move on its container (page),
but an image does.

It>s really that simple.

[/quote]
It>s really that stupid.

John

krw · Guest

In article <43a4fcff-1647-4569-b07b-6f4f6e3727d5
@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, mpmillard@aol.com says...
[quote]On Jul 31, 6:27?pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:24:33 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmill...@aol.com
wrote:

On Jul 31, 1:16?pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

Why doesn>t it just put a picture where I drag and drop it?

Both the page, and the text box, are "containers" for the image.
The difference is a text box does not move on its container (page),
but an image does.

It>s really that simple.

It>s really that stupid.

You know what they say....
"It is a poor workman who blames his tools."
[/quote]
It>s a poor craftsman who has to blame his tools.

[quote]But I do hear you loud and clear.
Microsoft Word is not exactly user-friendly, and is crammed packed
with a lot of features the average Joe neither wants nor uses. It>s
not that difficult to learn, though I agree word processing should be
appliance level by now. Like a toaster oven. :)
[/quote]
It is. Just use a text editor and forget all the fancy stuff. If
you want a general purpose, powerful tool you>re not going to get a
toaster.

I prefer Frame but it>s not exactly easy to learn either.

--
Keith

Jim Thompson · Guest

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:46:55 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com>
wrote:

[quote]On Jul 31, 6:27?pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:24:33 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmill...@aol.com
wrote:

On Jul 31, 1:16?pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

Why doesn>t it just put a picture where I drag and drop it?

Both the page, and the text box, are "containers" for the image.
The difference is a text box does not move on its container (page),
but an image does.

It>s really that simple.

It>s really that stupid.

You know what they say....
"It is a poor workman who blames his tools."

But I do hear you loud and clear.
Microsoft Word is not exactly user-friendly, and is crammed packed
with a lot of features the average Joe neither wants nor uses. It>s
not that difficult to learn, though I agree word processing should be
appliance level by now. Like a toaster oven. :)

-mpm

[/quote]
One of my clients recently introduced me to a new phrase, using it to
describe a Cadence schematic-entry product, "User carnivorous" ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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John Larkin · Guest

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:14:48 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

[quote]In article <43a4fcff-1647-4569-b07b-6f4f6e3727d5
@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, mpmillard@aol.com says...
On Jul 31, 6:27?pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:24:33 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmill...@aol.com
wrote:

On Jul 31, 1:16?pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

Why doesn>t it just put a picture where I drag and drop it?

Both the page, and the text box, are "containers" for the image.
The difference is a text box does not move on its container (page),
but an image does.

It>s really that simple.

It>s really that stupid.

You know what they say....
"It is a poor workman who blames his tools."

It>s a poor craftsman who has to blame his tools.

But I do hear you loud and clear.
Microsoft Word is not exactly user-friendly, and is crammed packed
with a lot of features the average Joe neither wants nor uses. It>s
not that difficult to learn, though I agree word processing should be
appliance level by now. Like a toaster oven. :)

It is. Just use a text editor and forget all the fancy stuff. If
you want a general purpose, powerful tool you>re not going to get a
toaster.
[/quote]
I use Crimson Editor for the plain text stuff. It does everything fast
and right, doesn>t crash, and has sensible options.

But modern documents need graphs and pictures. I>d love something like
Crimson that allowed pics and a few font effects.

I don>t use Word enough to be an expert, and it>s not friendly to the
occasional user who just wants to type text. It>s another Microsoft
hack that was designed badly, in a rush to kill competition, and then
featurized to death by thousands of programmers.

Of course Crimson is good: it was written by one person.

John

krw · Guest

In article <lgt494981pli43sirun9gf2hibko772tie@4ax.com>,
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com says...
[quote]On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:14:48 -0400, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

In article <43a4fcff-1647-4569-b07b-6f4f6e3727d5
@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, mpmillard@aol.com says...
On Jul 31, 6:27?pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:24:33 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmill...@aol.com
wrote:

On Jul 31, 1:16?pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

Why doesn>t it just put a picture where I drag and drop it?

Both the page, and the text box, are "containers" for the image.
The difference is a text box does not move on its container (page),
but an image does.

It>s really that simple.

It>s really that stupid.

You know what they say....
"It is a poor workman who blames his tools."

It>s a poor craftsman who has to blame his tools.

But I do hear you loud and clear.
Microsoft Word is not exactly user-friendly, and is crammed packed
with a lot of features the average Joe neither wants nor uses. It>s
not that difficult to learn, though I agree word processing should be
appliance level by now. Like a toaster oven. :)

It is. Just use a text editor and forget all the fancy stuff. If
you want a general purpose, powerful tool you>re not going to get a
toaster.

I use Crimson Editor for the plain text stuff. It does everything fast
and right, doesn>t crash, and has sensible options.
[/quote]
I>ve used Crimson for several years as my programming editor. It>s
quite nice and has decent language support (VHDL included ;). There
are a few things I>d like to have though. There always are, so we
get bloat.

[quote]But modern documents need graphs and pictures. I>d love something like
Crimson that allowed pics and a few font effects.
[/quote]
That>s no longer a simple editor. Images and graphics complicate
things immensely. Hell, I>d like an editor with a decent graphics.
Visio is ok, but has some silly defaults (like humpy wire crossings)
I can>t seem to get rid of. It seems to always be missing something
I need too.

[quote]I don>t use Word enough to be an expert, and it>s not friendly to the
occasional user who just wants to type text. It>s another Microsoft
hack that was designed badly, in a rush to kill competition, and then
featurized to death by thousands of programmers.
[/quote]
Sure, but like all the rest of the M$ crap, it works, sorta.

[quote]Of course Crimson is good: it was written by one person.
[/quote]
Well...

--
Keith


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