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Painius · Guest

"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbertglazier@webtv.net> wrote...
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[quote]
Painius That is right and I miss read it was the solar system planets
revolving opposite direction of the galaxy but the Sun and galaxy were
going clockwise. WOW 500,000 mph is a fast spin,and I bet Darla takes
full advantage of that going to Andromeda Best to keep in mind all
stars in our galaxy going in the same rotation helps my thinking that
they are locked in and our Milky Way spins like a frisbee. Its flat,and
that fits Bert
[/quote]
In a way, all the stars in the disk do seem to be
"locked in" as you say. But it>s their *speed* that>s
locked in together, not their positions. If they were
going around the center like a frisbee, then those
stars farther from the center would have to be going
faster than the stars closer to the center. Since the
stars are all going at pretty much the same speed,
no matter how near or far from the central bulge,
this means that there>s sort of a "drag" on the stars
as they get farther from the center. It is this "drag"
of positions that causes the stars to shape into spiral
arms as the galaxy rotates.

And keep in mind that every spiral galaxy contains
at least two kinds of spiral arms...

1) There are the arms that contain the brighter
stars that we can easily see from hundreds and even
thousands of light years away, and

2) There are the "dark" arms between the bright
arms that contain the older, dimmer stars.

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S.: Thank YOU for reading!

P.P.S.: http://painellsworth.net

G=EMC^2 Glazier · Guest

Painiue In my mind I see Galaxies growing from the center out. That
means to me more in means older stars Go figure Bert

Saul Levy · Guest

I>ve been talking about major rotation, not minor little wiggles,
Paine!
I>ll pull a BradBoi on you: RANDOM motions only! lmao!

Saul Levy

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:50:43 GMT, "Painius" <starswirlernosp@maol.com>
wrote:

[quote]"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote in message...
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:14:47 GMT, "Painius" <starswirlernosp@maol.com
wrote:

Good evidence that oc and Gordon Wolter are right!

Directions of rotation are RANDOM, Paine.

So what?

So it would seem, however further study is needed,
Saul. Are astronomers certain that the only major
motion of galaxies is the obvious axial rotation?

Could other major motions be involved? like maybe
wobbles, as a coin sometimes does when you drop it
on a table? or perhaps there>s also a spin axis that
slices through the center of a galaxy>s disk from one
side to the other?

I think it>s too early to draw the conclusion that all
galaxy motion is random.

And then there are the motions of clusters and the
super clusters. Everything>s supposed to be moving
toward some "Great Attractor". How "random" is
that?[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

cos(45)*1030, BEERTbrain. Anyone who>s taken any trig knows that.

Saul Levy

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:46:48 -0400, herbertglazier@webtv.net (G=EMC^2
Glazier) wrote:

[quote]Painius The Earth surface at the equator is spinning at 1030 mph How
fast is its surface spinning half way to the poles? Milky Way spinning
as if it was a frisbee always stuck in my mind Although spinning like
a fried egg seen edge on gives a better day dream picture Go figure
Bert[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

O.K., BradBoi, the Earth is all screwed up because of YOU! lmfjao!

Now how non-random is that?

Saul Levy

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:38:10 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
<bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]To a devout Zionist/Nazi like Saul Levy, most everything is of a
random happenstance, including how screwed up this Earth has gotten,
whereas nothing and especially no one soul or group is ever in charge
of or responsible for anything bad, except all the good stuff is
typically due to whatever Republicans and pretend-Atheists like
himself accomplish.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

Galaxies don>t merge per se, BradBoi! lmfjao!

The dust and gas gets swirled up, but the stars go right by each other
without much effect.

Saul Levy

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:52:18 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
<bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]On Jul 31, 6:06 am, herbertglaz...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Cactus Saul That picture clearly shows the curved arms giving the
galaxy a counter clockwise direction,and its inner arms a clockwise
direction. That is tricky stuff(weird) Still we can visualize
how another galaxy angling in at the opposite spin can create this.
It makes good thinking that irregular galaxies were created by
collision. With so much space between galaxies irregular galaxies must
be more rare. Thought just jumped in Maybe we can tell a galaxies age
by the number of its arms,and how far they have unravelled. Large arms
older galaxy?? Since the arms hold new born stars they must be like
our sun the color blue. Closer to the bulge or even the bulge must be
the home of the galaxies older stars and the color red would be given
off. It fits Bert

There are many galaxies of two or more as having merged. God>s cosmic
version of tracking down those pesky WMD, along with collateral damage
and carnage of the mostly innocent. God must be another Republican
Mafia type.

Colliding galaxies have been offering rather nifty eye-candy, and as
you can see that not everything turns to dust.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth[/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

BEERTbrain won>t agree, BradBoi! lmfjao!

It does make life more interesting though.

Saul Levy

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:23:12 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
<bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]On Jul 31, 6:46 am, herbertglaz...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Painius The Earth surface at the equator is spinning at 1030 mph How
fast is its surface spinning half way to the poles? Milky Way spinning
as if it was a frisbee always stuck in my mind Although spinning like
a fried egg seen edge on gives a better day dream picture Go figure
Bert

Planet spin isn>t life essential, although it helps to have a little
something spinning. It>s kind of like life always has a form of spin,
as do each and every atom.

However, do antimatter atoms spin the same, or less, or not at all?

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth[/quote]

Painius · Guest

"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbertglazier@webtv.net> wrote...
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[quote]
Painius The Earth surface at the equator is spinning at 1030 mph How
fast is its surface spinning half way to the poles? Milky Way spinning
as if it was a frisbee always stuck in my mind Although spinning like
a fried egg seen edge on gives a better day dream picture Go figure
Bert
[/quote]
If, by "halfway to the poles", you mean at a latitude of
45 degrees, then the speed of the surface is about 735
mph. In the US that would be from Oregon to Maine.

You get this by multiplying the speed of the surface at
the equator by the cosine of the latitude. Florida>s
latitudes range between about 25 and 30 degrees, so
at the latitudes in north Florida the speed>s about 900
mph, and down south around the Keys they would be
closer to 925 mph.

The speed of the surface just one degree away from
the North Pole is 18 mph.

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S.: Thank YOU for reading!

P.P.S.: http://painellsworth.net

Timberwoof · Guest

In article <25974-48920829-176@storefull-3335.bay.webtv.net>,
herbertglazier@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:

[quote]Painiue In my mind
[/quote]
Well, there>s your problem. You don>t actually see it in any
observations of the real world. You *think* stars form in the center,
but you have no data to back that up.

[quote]I see Galaxies growing from the center out. That
means to me more in means older stars Go figure Bert
[/quote]
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Official naysayer of the DARPA kind, who knows only of what¹s accepted by
the Old Testament of the Zionist/Nazi New World Order
which refuses to accept or allow deductive reasoning.

Timberwoof · Guest

In article
<435ca0de-1351-45b0-83c0-fc3b8498219a@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]On Jul 31, 6:06 am, herbertglaz...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Cactus Saul That picture clearly shows the curved arms giving the
galaxy a counter clockwise direction,and its inner arms a clockwise
direction. That is tricky stuff(weird) Still we can visualize
how another galaxy angling in at the opposite spin can create this.
It makes good thinking that irregular galaxies were created by
collision. With so much space between galaxies irregular galaxies must
be more rare. Thought just jumped in Maybe we can tell a galaxies age
by the number of its arms,and how far they have unravelled. Large arms
older galaxy?? Since the arms hold new born stars they must be like
our sun the color blue. Closer to the bulge or even the bulge must be
the home of the galaxies older stars and the color red would be given
off. It fits Bert

There are many galaxies of two or more as having merged. God>s cosmic
version of tracking down those pesky WMD,
[/quote]
next!

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
Official naysayer of the DARPA kind, who knows only of what¹s accepted by
the Old Testament of the Zionist/Nazi New World Order
which refuses to accept or allow deductive reasoning.

Timberwoof · Guest

In article <0i34949asi2htk62301c8ppvt3amfv04p0@4ax.com>,
Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote:

[quote]Galaxies don>t merge per se, BradBoi! lmfjao!

The dust and gas gets swirled up, but the stars go right by each other
without much effect.
[/quote]
That>s not actually true, Saul. Individual stars may pass one another,
and collisions of stars are very rare, but they *do* affect one another
gravitationally, as can be seen in the way galaxies are torn up as they
collide. Numerous computer simulations have been done of this sort of
thing, and they show results remarkably similar to what astronomers
observe in the real world.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
Official naysayer of the DARPA kind, who knows only of what¹s accepted by
the Old Testament of the Zionist/Nazi New World Order
which refuses to accept or allow deductive reasoning.

Timberwoof · Guest

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"Painius" <starswirlernosp@maol.com> wrote:

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"Painius" <starswirlernosp@maol.com> wrote:
"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbertglazier@webtv.net> wrote...
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Painius I find that very interesting that are galaxy is revolving in
the opposite direction our Sun is taking us through it. I need two
questions answers How fast is the Milky Way revolving,and how much
does
this shorten the time for us to make a full swing around inside of it?
Bert

Whoa! Hold up! Back up ten yards and punt, friend
Bert!...

The Sun is taking us through the galaxy in the same
general direction of the galaxy>s spin/rotation! It>s
the direction of the orbits of all the planets, including
Earth, AROUND THE SUN that is opposite to the
direction the galaxy is rotating.

If you were to hike all the way up to the North Pole,
and then stand right there on the pole and look up,
you would be staring straight at the star Polaris. And
you would also be looking out the South side of the
Milky Way galaxy>s disk.

So whenever you see the standard picture of our
galaxy, such as...

http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/galaxy.html

...the Sun and planets are moving to the right (in
the direction toward the constellation Cygnus), the
galaxy is rotating in a clockwise direction, and the
galaxy>s North pole is DOWN.

Well, off at some walpyjod angle, anyway.
http://star-www.st-and.ac.uk/~fv/webnotes/chapter8.htm

Either 117° or 63° depending on whether you use the
right-hand rule or the IAU convention. If the standard
right-hand rule is used, then what i wrote above does
apply. But if one uses the IAU convention then it all
flips over. According to the IAU, North Pole of the Earth
is on the same side of the galactic disk as the North
pole of the galaxy. So then the North Celestial Pole
would be 63° off from the Galactic North Pole.

OTOH, when the right-hand rule is used, you hold your
hand in a natural position with fingers curved. When
your fingers point in the direction of galactic disk
rotation, then your thumb points toward North. In this
case, Earth>s North Pole would be 117° (over 90°) off
from the Galactic North Pole.

As astronomers might say, pick one and stick to it. I
guess it>s not a big deal and doesn>t matter much as
long as everybody>s "on the same page".

Now, to answer your questions, the Sun and all the
other stars in the disk of the Milky Way galaxy are
moving in the same direction around the center and
at about the same speed regardless of their distances
from the center. That speed is 220 km/s, and this
comes to almost 500,000 miles per hour!

They are?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_way_galaxy#Sun.27s_location
seems to disagree with you. You got a cite for that?

Here it is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_curve
[/quote]
That>s not really a cite for the Sun>s orbit around the center of the
galaxy.

I think I have spotted an error in Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way
"Sun>s galactic rotation period
220 million years (negative rotation)"

The linked article, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun, does not mention
that it is backwards. I have found no references to substantiate the
claim that the orbit is backwards. I guess I better set up a Wikipedia
account.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don>t blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.


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