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Richard Fangnail · Guest

If you>re from Boston and you>ve seen films like The Departed or
Mystic River - do you think those accents are very accurate? I>m
talking about Leo DiCaprio, Matt Damon (who is really from Boston),
Mark Wahlberg, Martin Sheen, Sean Penn, Tim Robbins.

Does "lace curtain Irish" mean poor Irish, or poor-pretending-to-be-
not-poor?

The most obvious sign of this accent is the way you>d say "car" as
"caaaa."

Opry phantom · Guest

On Jul 24, 1:19 pm, Richard Fangnail <richardfangn...@excite.com>
wrote:
[quote]If you>re from Boston and you>ve seen films like The Departed or
Mystic River - do you think those accents are very accurate? I>m
talking about Leo DiCaprio, Matt Damon (who is really from Boston),
Mark Wahlberg, Martin Sheen, Sean Penn, Tim Robbins.

Does "lace curtain Irish" mean poor Irish, or poor-pretending-to-be-
not-poor?

The most obvious sign of this accent is the way you>d say "car" as
"caaaa."
[/quote]
If you can afford lace curtains, you ain>t poor. Now cut glass,
that>s something.
I don>t kayuh to drive a cah in Bahston; it>s hahd to find a space
to pak.

Voltronicus · Guest

On Jul 24, 4:19 pm, Richard Fangnail <richardfangn...@excite.com>
wrote:

[quote]Does "lace curtain Irish" mean poor Irish, or poor-pretending-to-be-
not-poor?
[/quote]
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/cultures/irish-faq/part08/section-10.html

Tom Nawrocki · Guest

On Jul 24, 2:19 pm, Richard Fangnail <richardfangn...@excite.com>
wrote:
[quote]If you>re from Boston and you>ve seen films like The Departed or
Mystic River - do you think those accents are very accurate? I>m
talking about Leo DiCaprio, Matt Damon (who is really from Boston),
Mark Wahlberg, Martin Sheen, Sean Penn, Tim Robbins.

[/quote]
Mark Wahlberg is from Boston, too. He was fantastic in The Departed, I
thought.

Tom Nawrocki

Richard Brooks · Guest

Richard Fangnail said the following on 24/07/2008 21:19:
[quote]If you>re from Boston and you>ve seen films like The Departed or
Mystic River - do you think those accents are very accurate? I>m
talking about Leo DiCaprio, Matt Damon (who is really from Boston),
Mark Wahlberg, Martin Sheen, Sean Penn, Tim Robbins.

Does "lace curtain Irish" mean poor Irish, or poor-pretending-to-be-
not-poor?

The most obvious sign of this accent is the way you>d say "car" as
"caaaa."
[/quote]
I>d go more for a 'twee' and 'little old ladies having tea with laced
tables bedecked with fancy tea cakes in the afternoon, if you please'
accent.

Derek Janssen · Guest

Richard Brooks wrote:
[quote]
I>d go more for a 'twee' and 'little old ladies having tea with laced
tables bedecked with fancy tea cakes in the afternoon, if you please'
accent.
[/quote]
But if you were 'twee', what kind of a twee would you be? ;)

Derek Janssen (waited years for an opportunity to do that joke)
ejanss1@verizon.net

Frank R.A.J. Maloney · Guest

Richard Fangnail wrote:
[quote]If you>re from Boston and you>ve seen films like The Departed or
Mystic River - do you think those accents are very accurate? I>m
talking about Leo DiCaprio, Matt Damon (who is really from Boston),
Mark Wahlberg, Martin Sheen, Sean Penn, Tim Robbins.

Does "lace curtain Irish" mean poor Irish, or poor-pretending-to-be-
not-poor?

The most obvious sign of this accent is the way you>d say "car" as
"caaaa."
[/quote]
I know nothing about Boston accents, although I>m told there are many.

However, I grew up with the terms "lace-curtain Irish" and "shanty
Irish" being strewn about like salt over a superstition man>s shoulder.
I very well recall when the wife of one of my cousins called my mother a
shanty Irishwoman. She was never forgiven.

We were on my mother>s side definitely lace-curtain Irish. The family,
which was Protestant, had been a respectable, middle-class outfit until
widowhood and the Great Depression waylaid my maternal grandmother, who
nevertheless maintained her inner gentility. The family>s story
afterwards was a gradual climb back into steady inside employment, a
new car, a nice house with comfortable furnishings and -- yes -- lace
curtains on all the windows.

My father>s San Francisco and very Catholic family had come to the U.S.
maybe a hundred years after my mother>s family, and they had in my
father>s generation just made the transition from shanty to lace
curtains. My paternal grandmother never did cross the line and as a
result was considered both a character and something of a loose cannon
at social situations. (She drank, fiercely tempered, and in her youth
her personal arrangement were more than slightly irregular.)

That great old comic strip "Bringing Up Father" (aka "Jiggs and Maggie")
is all about this distinction. Maggie with her social-climbing anxieties
and social pretensions is ne plus ultra of lace-curtain Irish and Jiggs
with his love of unbuttoning his vest, drinking beer with his buddies,
and eating corned beef and cabbage is the last word in shanty Irish,
despite his mansion and his money.

Has anyone here ever seen _Bringing Up Father_ (1946) or any of the four
sequels, all starring Joe Yule, Renie Riano, George McManus (as himself)
and Tim Ryan? I see in Wikipedia there were also a number of animated
shorts about these characters.

--
Frank in Seattle
____

Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
"Millennium hand and shrimp."

Howard Brazee · Guest

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:19:34 -0700 (PDT), Richard Fangnail
<richardfangnail@excite.com> wrote:

[quote]If you>re from Boston and you>ve seen films like The Departed or
Mystic River - do you think those accents are very accurate? I>m
talking about Leo DiCaprio, Matt Damon (who is really from Boston),
Mark Wahlberg, Martin Sheen, Sean Penn, Tim Robbins.
[/quote]
Often times the person who could best answer this question is someone
from somewhere else who hears Boston accents a lot.

Treadleson · Guest

On Jul 24, 4:19 pm, Richard Fangnail <richardfangn...@excite.com>
wrote:
[quote]If you>re from Boston and you>ve seen films like The Departed or
Mystic River - do you think those accents are very accurate? I>m
talking about Leo DiCaprio, Matt Damon (who is really from Boston),
Mark Wahlberg, Martin Sheen, Sean Penn, Tim Robbins.
[/quote]
I>m not from Boston but I>ve spent time there. The way the characters
spoke in Gone Baby Gone, primarily Casey Affleck, Amy Ryan and Titus
Welliver (husband to Amy Madigan) seemed pretty on to me. I thought
they really got it. In fact, those types of things--accents,
neighborhoods, various settings--all seemed very realistic. What
threw me was how unrealistic the story being told was and what a clash
there was between the unrealistic story and the hyper realistic
accents, settings, clothing and so on. But, yeah, they really got the
accents. (Mark Wahlberg in Departed was outstanding.)

[quote]
Does "lace curtain Irish" mean poor Irish, or poor-pretending-to-be-
not-poor?

The most obvious sign of this accent is the way you>d say "car" as
"caaaa."[/quote]

David Matthews · Guest

"Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <frajm@blarg.net> wrote in message
news:Uo6dnbqCOJpElRTVnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@posted.isomediainc...
[quote]Richard Fangnail wrote:
If you>re from Boston and you>ve seen films like The Departed or
Mystic River - do you think those accents are very accurate? I>m
talking about Leo DiCaprio, Matt Damon (who is really from Boston),
Mark Wahlberg, Martin Sheen, Sean Penn, Tim Robbins.

Does "lace curtain Irish" mean poor Irish, or poor-pretending-to-be-
not-poor?

The most obvious sign of this accent is the way you>d say "car" as
"caaaa."

I know nothing about Boston accents, although I>m told there are many.

However, I grew up with the terms "lace-curtain Irish" and "shanty Irish"
being strewn about like salt over a superstition man>s shoulder. I very
well recall when the wife of one of my cousins called my mother a shanty
Irishwoman. She was never forgiven.

We were on my mother>s side definitely lace-curtain Irish. The family,
which was Protestant, had been a respectable, middle-class outfit until
widowhood and the Great Depression waylaid my maternal grandmother, who
nevertheless maintained her inner gentility. The family>s story afterwards
was a gradual climb back into steady inside employment, a new car, a nice
house with comfortable furnishings and -- yes -- lace curtains on all the
windows.

My father>s San Francisco and very Catholic family had come to the U.S.
maybe a hundred years after my mother>s family, and they had in my
father>s generation just made the transition from shanty to lace curtains.
My paternal grandmother never did cross the line and as a result was
considered both a character and something of a loose cannon at social
situations. (She drank, fiercely tempered, and in her youth her personal
arrangement were more than slightly irregular.)

That great old comic strip "Bringing Up Father" (aka "Jiggs and Maggie")
is all about this distinction. Maggie with her social-climbing anxieties
and social pretensions is ne plus ultra of lace-curtain Irish and Jiggs
with his love of unbuttoning his vest, drinking beer with his buddies, and
eating corned beef and cabbage is the last word in shanty Irish, despite
his mansion and his money.

Has anyone here ever seen _Bringing Up Father_ (1946) or any of the four
sequels, all starring Joe Yule, Renie Riano, George McManus (as himself)
and Tim Ryan? I see in Wikipedia there were also a number of animated
shorts about these characters.

--
Frank in Seattle
____

[/quote]

Chicago born Raymond Chandler always hated to be called Irish/American
although in fact he was. He felt it stereotyped him as working class and
Roman Catholic which he wasn>t.

Dave in Toronto.

Peter T. Daniels · Guest

On Jul 25, 1:53 am, Treadleson <treadl...@aol.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 24, 4:19 pm, Richard Fangnail <richardfangn...@excite.com
wrote:

If you>re from Boston and you>ve seen films like The Departed or
Mystic River - do you think those accents are very accurate? I>m
talking about Leo DiCaprio, Matt Damon (who is really from Boston),
Mark Wahlberg, Martin Sheen, Sean Penn, Tim Robbins.

I>m not from Boston but I>ve spent time there. The way the characters
spoke in Gone Baby Gone, primarily Casey Affleck, Amy Ryan and Titus
Welliver (husband to Amy Madigan) seemed pretty on to me. I thought
they really got it. In fact, those types of things--accents,
neighborhoods, various settings--all seemed very realistic. What
threw me was how unrealistic the story being told was and what a clash
there was between the unrealistic story and the hyper realistic
accents, settings, clothing and so on. But, yeah, they really got the
accents. (Mark Wahlberg in Departed was outstanding.)
[/quote]
In the DVD of The Full Monty, one of the behind-the-scenes people
mentions that though the accents might not be perfect in all the
details, to anyone else in Britain they sufficiently localized the
story to make the point. The same would go for Boston accents in these
movies, and for other US regional accents as well.

The accents in Fargo are wildly exaggerated -- More Garrison Keillor
than dialectological -- yet everyone exclaims over how realistic they
are. Such things are assessed on their dramatic effectiveness, not on
their value as a sociolinguistic corpus.

Guest · Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Fake Boston/Irish accents

On Jul 24, 4:19 pm, Richard Fangnail <richardfangn...@excite.com>
wrote:
[quote]If you>re from Boston and you>ve seen films like The Departed or
Mystic River - do you think those accents are very accurate? I>m
talking about Leo DiCaprio, Matt Damon (who is really from Boston),
Mark Wahlberg, Martin Sheen, Sean Penn, Tim Robbins.

Does "lace curtain Irish" mean poor Irish, or poor-pretending-to-be-
not-poor?

The most obvious sign of this accent is the way you>d say "car" as
"caaaa."
[/quote]
I think that Good Will Hunting was interesting. Matt Damon and Affleck
had the accent down but Williams didn>t, at least not consistently.
He compensated by calling everybody "chief" which is a south Boston
equivalent of "son" or "buddy". Probably would make a good drinking
game if I still drank

tomcervo · Guest

On Jul 24, 10:58ï¿½pm, "David Matthews" <dmatthew...@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
[quote]"Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <fr...@blarg.net> wrote in messagenews:Uo6dnbqCOJpElRTVnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@posted.isomediainc...

Richard Fangnail wrote:
If you>re from Boston and you>ve seen films like The Departed or
Mystic River - do you think those accents are very accurate? ï¿½I>m
talking about Leo DiCaprio, Matt Damon (who is really from Boston),
Mark Wahlberg, Martin Sheen, Sean Penn, Tim Robbins.

Does "lace curtain Irish" mean poor Irish, or poor-pretending-to-be-
not-poor?

The most obvious sign of this accent is the way you>d say "car" as
"caaaa."

I know nothing about Boston accents, although I>m told there are many.

However, I grew up with the terms "lace-curtain Irish" and "shanty Irish"
being strewn about like salt over a superstition man>s shoulder. I very
well recall when the wife of one of my cousins called my mother a shanty
Irishwoman. She was never forgiven.

We were on my mother>s side definitely lace-curtain Irish. The family,
which was Protestant, had been a respectable, middle-class outfit until
widowhood and the Great Depression waylaid my maternal grandmother, who
nevertheless maintained her inner gentility. The family>s story afterwards
was a gradual climb back into steady inside employment, a new car, a nice
house with comfortable furnishings and -- yes -- lace curtains on all the
windows.

My father>s San Francisco and very Catholic family had come to the U.S.
maybe a hundred years after my mother>s family, and they had in my
father>s generation just made the transition from shanty to lace curtains.
My paternal grandmother never did cross the line and as a result was
considered both a character and something of a loose cannon at social
situations. (She drank, fiercely tempered, and in her youth her personal
arrangement were more than slightly irregular.)

That great old comic strip "Bringing Up Father" (aka "Jiggs and Maggie")
is all about this distinction. Maggie with her social-climbing anxieties
and social pretensions is ne plus ultra of lace-curtain Irish and Jiggs
with his love of unbuttoning his vest, drinking beer with his buddies, and
eating corned beef and cabbage is the last word in shanty Irish, despite
his mansion and his money.

Has anyone here ever seen _Bringing Up Father_ (1946) or any of the four
sequels, all starring Joe Yule, Renie Riano, George McManus (as himself)
and Tim Ryan? I see in Wikipedia there were also a number of animated
shorts about these characters.

--
Frank in Seattle
____

Chicago born Raymond Chandler always hated to be called Irish/American
although in fact he was. ï¿½He felt it stereotyped him as working class and
Roman Catholic which he wasn>t.

Dave in Toronto.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
JFK as well, although he was Catholic. His speech and manner were
upper class Boston, and the broad stereotype called in Ireland "stage
Irish" he called "harp". (From Moore>s "The Harp Once Through Tara>s
Halls", a sentimental anthem.)

Richard Brooks · Guest

Derek Janssen said the following on 24/07/2008 22:06:
[quote]Richard Brooks wrote:

I>d go more for a 'twee' and 'little old ladies having tea with laced
tables bedecked with fancy tea cakes in the afternoon, if you please'
accent.

But if you were 'twee', what kind of a twee would you be? ;)

Derek Janssen (waited years for an opportunity to do that joke)
ejanss1@verizon.net
[/quote]
Ahem (to use a Microsoft sound) "Tada!"

I>d be an oak but in a Marian Keyes sort of way - a bit cheeky.

Heard on Channel 5s The Wright Stuff, "We didn>t have fireworks when
we were growing up in Ireland when I was a child. I think they moved
northwards or something!"

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X03NNMAh2uM>

trickster206@yahoo.com · Guest

On Jul 24, 8:06 pm, Tom Nawrocki <TJNawro...@aol.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 24, 2:19 pm, Richard Fangnail <richardfangn...@excite.com
wrote:

If you>re from Boston and you>ve seen films like The Departed or
Mystic River - do you think those accents are very accurate? I>m
talking about Leo DiCaprio, Matt Damon (who is really from Boston),
Mark Wahlberg, Martin Sheen, Sean Penn, Tim Robbins.

Mark Wahlberg is from Boston, too. He was fantastic in The Departed, I
thought.

Tom Nawrocki
[/quote]
Yes, he was the best thing in it besides DiCaprio.


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