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On Jul 19, 11:00 am, Timberwoof
<timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:
[quote]In article
c466a76c-a661-4fee-9cbc-22e2c7dc9...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:57 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 18, 7:39 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
The tidal flexing, as you call it, only affects the Earth>s oceans. It is
far too puny to affect the landmass. The Earth has no tidal effect on the
Moon, since its rotational period coincides with its orbital period.. No
flexing there, Guthball
Technically speaking, the moon has a "static tide". Although some
might say that is an oxymoron. However, there is a still a tidal
potential that affects the moon and therefor a tide, static or not.
But indeed, since the tide is static there is no flexing, hence no
heating
Stuart
? "no heating" via tidal flex ?
Yes. What part of " there is no flexing, hence no heating" did you not
understand?
[/quote]
The perpetual naysay part that hasn>t offered a stitch of physics or
even good science backing it up.
Does this mean you know why Io (without spin and hardly even
elliptical) is so geophysically and geothermally active?
[quote]
In other damage-control words of your silly mindset, the laws of
physics simply do not apply off world, or even as to that of our
Selene/moon global warming Earth via tidal flex forces that can>t
possibly avoid becoming thermal energy. Are you certain about that?
They>re talking about the moon not being heated.
[/quote]
So, our Selene/moon is somehow the one and only such moon that>s not
the least bit tidal flex heated?
[quote]
Any way you¹d care to slice and dice it, it seems continually moving
and/or distorting the crust of Earth by 55 cm via tidal flexing is
going to create a little unavoidable geothermal heat via friction.
Sure. Maybe you could calculate it. One could use a slide rule. No
supercomputer needed.
[/quote]
Perhaps a "slide rule" with a few spare CPUs attached and a healthy
dose of complex physics software might do the trick. Are you going to
show us how simple that is?
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: Other than terrestrial water and tidal flex heating |
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On Jul 19, 9:27 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 19, 6:12 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 8:47 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:41 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:57 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 18, 7:39 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c8b5981-0747-4674-b44d-d412a27096a4@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
This topic is entirely Selene/moon related, such as the supposed
volcanic or lava fused as little and apparently not so little basalt
and silica combined spheres (�green glass spherules�) that researchers
claim to be of their NASA/Apollo moon rock samples, that which
supposedly their spendy (public owned) mass spectrometers as having
only recently detected as containing 260,000 ppb of good old h2o.
(that>s not necessarily per given mass of common moon bedrock, but of
the given mass of each little portion of rock containing such lava
formulated geodes as solid glass spheres that could have been
contributed and/or contaminated by most any icy meteor encounter)
Water Discovered in Moon Rock Samples / By Jeremy Hsu of Space.com
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380148,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380148,00.html#
http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19926644.200-now-the-moon-rev...
snip Guthball drivel
The tidal flexing, as you call it, only affects the Earth>s oceans. It is
far too puny to affect the landmass. The Earth has no tidal effect on the
Moon, since its rotational period coincides with its orbital period. No
flexing there, Guthball
Technically speaking, the moon has a "static tide". Although some
might say
that is an oxymoron. However, there is a still a tidal potential that
affects the moon and therefor a tide, static or not.
But indeed, since the tide is static there is no flexing, hence
no heating
Stuart
I>ve snipped stuff that doesn>t make sense leaving one reasonable
question.
Isn>t Earth a relatively small and extensively fluid planet for having
such a substantial moon that can measurably tidal flex the crust of
Earth by as much as 55 cm?
Indeed. I didn>t say the moon isn>t distorted by tides. It is.
By while the earth is rotating, the moon always shows the same face to
the
Earth; hence dissipation due to the lunar tide raised by the Earth
should be very small.
The lunar tide due to the Sun would probably cause more dissipation,
but
it will still be small.
Stuart
The tidal forced heating that I>m talking about is primarily that of
Earth being heated by that of our unusually large, nearby and fast
moving Selene/moon, and it>s by no means as insignificant as you>d
care to suggest.
Sorry.. the discussion above was about the moon. And thats what I
was talking about.
btw, what else other than tidal flex derived energy has been heating
Io to such an extent?
beats me. I was talking about the moon.
Stuart
[/quote]
Fine and dandy. By how many terawatts per each and every hour is our
Selene/moon tidal flex heated by way of the solar gravity plus mainly
that of Earth>s elliptical distance from the moon (similar to Io that
also has no spin and far less elliptical orbit)?
If we had that platform of science instruments situated within the
Selene/moon L1, as such we>d likely know this one down to the +/-
megawatt, if not better.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Other than terrestrial water and tidal flex heating |
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On Jul 19, 12:46 pm, Timberwoof
<timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:
[quote]In article
b14d385f-6696-4808-8013-b4afe3609...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 9:27 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 6:12 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 8:47 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:41 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:57 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 18, 7:39 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c8b5981-0747-4674-b44d-d412a27096a4@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.
com...
This topic is entirely Selene/moon related, such as the supposed
volcanic or lava fused as little and apparently not so little
basalt
and silica combined spheres (?green glass spherules?) that
researchers
claim to be of their NASA/Apollo moon rock samples, that which
supposedly their spendy (public owned) mass spectrometers as
having
only recently detected as containing 260,000 ppb of good old h2o.
(that>s not necessarily per given mass of common moon bedrock,
but of
the given mass of each little portion of rock containing such
lava
formulated geodes as solid glass spheres that could have been
contributed and/or contaminated by most any icy meteor encounter)
Water Discovered in Moon Rock Samples / By Jeremy Hsu of
Space.com
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380148,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380148,00.html#
http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19926644.200-now-the-moon-r
ev...
snip Guthball drivel
The tidal flexing, as you call it, only affects the Earth>s
oceans. It is
far too puny to affect the landmass. The Earth has no tidal
effect on the
Moon, since its rotational period coincides with its orbital
period. No
flexing there, Guthball
Technically speaking, the moon has a "static tide". Although some
might say
that is an oxymoron. However, there is a still a tidal potential
that
affects the moon and therefor a tide, static or not.
But indeed, since the tide is static there is no flexing, hence
no heating
Stuart
I>ve snipped stuff that doesn>t make sense leaving one reasonable
question.
Isn>t Earth a relatively small and extensively fluid planet for
having
such a substantial moon that can measurably tidal flex the crust of
Earth by as much as 55 cm?
Indeed. I didn>t say the moon isn>t distorted by tides. It is.
By while the earth is rotating, the moon always shows the same face to
the
Earth; hence dissipation due to the lunar tide raised by the Earth
should be very small.
The lunar tide due to the Sun would probably cause more dissipation,
but
it will still be small.
Stuart
The tidal forced heating that I>m talking about is primarily that of
Earth being heated by that of our unusually large, nearby and fast
moving Selene/moon, and it>s by no means as insignificant as you>d
care to suggest.
Sorry.. the discussion above was about the moon. And thats what I
was talking about.
btw, what else other than tidal flex derived energy has been heating
Io to such an extent?
beats me. I was talking about the moon.
Stuart
Fine and dandy. By how many terawatts per each and every hour is our
Selene/moon tidal flex heated by way of the solar gravity plus mainly
that of Earth>s elliptical distance from the moon (similar to Io that
also has no spin and far less elliptical orbit)?
Our forgetful Brad has forgotten that he presented exactly those figures
a few days ago.
[/quote]
I was speaking of Earth being tidal flex heated by our Selene/moon, by
at least .05% of the 2e20 N worth of tidal radius force that>s
continually taking place. How much more or less were you thinking
it>s worth?
[quote]
If we had that platform of science instruments situated within the
Selene/moon L1, as such we>d likely know this one down to the +/-
megawatt, if not better.
Our whiny Brad thinks that space probes can magically measure the tidal
heating of our moon simply by being on our moon, even though the vast
temperature differences between night and day on our month-long-day moon
are vast.
[/quote]
Are you suggesting that our Selene/moon L1 is a total waste of space,
that which our science should continually ignore for their own good?
Are you suggesting that our Selene/moon and Earth somehow manage to
interactively exchange/cause nothing worth of tidal flex heating?
If so, do tell what>s keeping the likes of Io and any number of other
moons so freaking active instead of being of solid dry-ice or that of
just about any kind of ice except water ice?
How about Titan, with its robust atmosphere: What>s keeping Titan
from freezing itself solid by night, if not via tidal flex heating?
Are Saturn and Jupiter all that IR worthy?
Are you suggesting that such active moons have a core of thorium?
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: Other than terrestrial water and tidal flex heating |
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On Jul 19, 12:43 pm, Timberwoof
<timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:
[quote]In article
82dcde69-2423-42b3-b968-948e3f6fc...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 11:00 am, Timberwoof
timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:
In article
c466a76c-a661-4fee-9cbc-22e2c7dc9...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:57 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 18, 7:39 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
The tidal flexing, as you call it, only affects the Earth>s
oceans. It is far too puny to affect the landmass. The
Earth has no tidal effect on the Moon, since its rotational
period coincides with its orbital period. No flexing there,
Guthball
Technically speaking, the moon has a "static tide". Although
some might say that is an oxymoron. However, there is a still a
tidal potential that affects the moon and therefor a tide,
static or not.
But indeed, since the tide is static there is no flexing, hence
no heating
Stuart
? "no heating" via tidal flex ?
Yes. What part of " there is no flexing, hence no heating" did you
not understand?
The perpetual naysay part that hasn>t offered a stitch of physics or
even good science backing it up.
Our uneducated Brad wouldn>t recognize good science if it bit you on the
toe.
Does this mean you know why Io (without spin and hardly even
elliptical) is so geophysically and geothermally active?
Because our gaseous multimooned and large Jupiter is large.
[/quote]
Is your "large Jupiter" a new kind of scientific statement as to the
specific size of the solid portion of Jupiter that>s relatively
uniform?
Exactly how large is the solid portion or gravity made as a dense/
solid surface of Jupiter, and how nonuniform is its gravity or that of
its surface of mascons??
Are you saying that a "large Jupiter" of being such a gas giant planet
has unusually uneven gravity that>s capable of tidal flexing its near
circular orbiting moons to death?
Are you saying that the very same kind of orbital mechanics and
physics doesn>t apply to our Selene/moon or to that of Earth getting
tidal flex heated?
[quote]
In other damage-control words of your silly mindset, the laws of
physics simply do not apply off world, or even as to that of our
Selene/moon global warming Earth via tidal flex forces that can>t
possibly avoid becoming thermal energy. Are you certain about
that?
They>re talking about the moon not being heated.
So, our Selene/moon is somehow the one and only such moon that>s not
the least bit tidal flex heated?
Our intelligent Timberwoof stated that the insignificant tidal heating
of the earth is insignificant.
[/quote]
The hell you say, 0.05% of 2e20 N/sec is "insignificant"?
[quote]
The small size of our small earth and its
small effect on the moon make any tidal heating of our small moon small,
probably insignificant.
[/quote]
And vise versa, like I>d specifically asked about how much our moon
tidal flexes Earth as becoming unavoidably hotter because of our 98.5%
fluid world having that Selene/moon to continually deal with, as well
as in its highly elliptical orbit adding additional factors of tidal
flex that by rights should go either way.
[quote]
Any way you¹d care to slice and dice it, it seems continually
moving and/or distorting the crust of Earth by 55 cm via tidal
flexing is going to create a little unavoidable geothermal heat
via friction.
Sure. Maybe you could calculate it. One could use a slide rule. No
supercomputer needed.
Perhaps a "slide rule" with a few spare CPUs attached and a healthy
dose of complex physics software might do the trick. Are you going
to show us how simple that is?
Our uneducated Brad doesn>t know enough about physics to do simple
calculations. Our befuddled Brad has never considered how our genius
physicists ever got any work done before the invention of complex
software to run on multiple-CPU supercomputers.
[/quote]
And you have no such intentions of ever knocking our socks off with
your superior expertise, or even that of offering your best swag
because????? (DARPA and most everyone else of their brown-nosed kind
would kick your butt)
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: Other than terrestrial water and tidal flex heating |
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In article
<c466a76c-a661-4fee-9cbc-22e2c7dc925c@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 19, 4:57 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 18, 7:39 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
The tidal flexing, as you call it, only affects the Earth>s oceans. It is
far too puny to affect the landmass. The Earth has no tidal effect on the
Moon, since its rotational period coincides with its orbital period. No
flexing there, Guthball
Technically speaking, the moon has a "static tide". Although some
might say that is an oxymoron. However, there is a still a tidal
potential that affects the moon and therefor a tide, static or not.
But indeed, since the tide is static there is no flexing, hence no
heating
Stuart
? "no heating" via tidal flex ?
[/quote]
Yes. What part of " there is no flexing, hence no heating" did you not
understand?
[quote]In other damage-control words of your silly mindset, the laws of
physics simply do not apply off world, or even as to that of our
Selene/moon global warming Earth via tidal flex forces that can>t
possibly avoid becoming thermal energy. Are you certain about that?
[/quote]
They>re talking about the moon not being heated.
[quote]Any way you¹d care to slice and dice it, it seems continually moving
and/or distorting the crust of Earth by 55 cm via tidal flexing is
going to create a little unavoidable geothermal heat via friction.
[/quote]
Sure. Maybe you could calculate it. One could use a slide rule. No
supercomputer needed.
--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: Other than terrestrial water and tidal flex heating |
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In article
<6a228df1-8e4f-4b0b-a691-5d37e8561bcb@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 18, 10:48 am, eyeball <eyeball2002...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 18, 1:52 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote lots of dense
things:
I>m just curious. When the tide goes out, do you get a headache?
No headache, but I do always include the "k12.ed.science" as one of
the intended Usenet/newsgroups for this topic.
[/quote]
Many of us sorely wish that you had been awake during your
k12.ed.science.
[quote]Is there some good or
weird reason why you intentionally excluded that k12.ed.science
newsgroup?
[/quote]
Perhaps he thought that your confused ideas about tidal eating were
inappropriate for that newsgroup.
--
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Timberwoof
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: Re: Other than terrestrial water and tidal flex heating |
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In article <xoSdneE5a6WV_RzVnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@ulaval.ca>,
Alain Fournier <alain245@sympatico.ca> wrote:
[quote]Timberwoof wrote:
In article <iJidnT0mFuVQuhzVnZ2dnUVZ_vjinZ2d@ulaval.ca>,
Alain Fournier <alain245@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Landy wrote:
"Hagar" <hagen@sahm.name> wrote in message
news:PvmdnY4fe52nSB3VnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
The tidal flexing, as you call it, only affects the Earth>s oceans. It
is
far too puny to affect the landmass.
Perhaps you should look up earth tides. The effect isn>t big, but it
exists. This doesn>t occur on the moon of course, for the reasons you
correctly stated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_tide
It does happen on the moon also. It isn>t exactly the same side of the
moon which is facing Earth because of lunar libration. Of course if you
don>t have full rotation but only small librations your tides will be
small.
Also the radius of the moon is about 3.7 times smaller than Earths radius
and this leads to yet smaller tides. But Earth>s mass being about 81 times
the mass of the moon, this increases the tidal effect on the moon. When
you take all this into account what you get is very small tides on the
moon, but they do exist.
They>re "very" small. How do they compare to the rock tides on Earth?
Are they "a lot smaller than that"?
I just did a BoE calculation and I get that they are just a little
smaller than Earth>s rock tides. When I wrote my previous post I
thought they would be more than one magnitude smaller than Earth>s
rock tides but this doesn>t seem to be the case. I will let others
write out the calculations, I must go out of town and away from an
internet link for the next 40 hours, after that, well Paul McCartney
gives an open air concert here sunday. So I won>t be available until
after work on monday and even then I might have to recuperate from
sundays concert.
[/quote]
Have fun at the concert! Have no fear: Brad Guth will busily
misinterpret and distort your words while you>re one.
[quote]Can the heating of the moon as a result of these teeny tiny tides be
measured?
I don>t know how one would measure that. But it can it can be calculated.
[/quote]
:)
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: Other than terrestrial water and tidal flex heating |
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In article <odysseus1479-at-83A22D.19314218072008@news.telus.net>,
Odysseus <odysseus1479-at@yahoo-dot.ca> wrote:
[quote]In article
timberwoof.spam-EEC86B.17543418072008@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net>,
Timberwoof <timberwoof.spam@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:
snip
Once you>ve done that calculation, you can try it with just the Earth>s
oceans as the repository of "all that" energy. That should be pretty
easy too. 3/4 of the Earth>s surface is water, the water is a depth, on
average of a few kilometers, and the specific heat of water is 1.
The specific heat of seawater, although varying with salinity,
temperature, and pressure, is somewhat lower than that of pure H2O, more
like 0.95 cal/gC° (3.9 J/gK).
[/quote]
That is true, but that error will only make the answer 5% off. That>s
negligible compared to the BoE figures I gave for calculating the volume
of Earth>s water ... and those numbers would be incalculably more
accurate than Brad>s.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:43 am Post subject: Re: Other than terrestrial water and tidal flex heating |
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In article
<82dcde69-2423-42b3-b968-948e3f6fc096@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 19, 11:00 am, Timberwoof
timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:
In article
c466a76c-a661-4fee-9cbc-22e2c7dc9...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:57 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 18, 7:39 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
The tidal flexing, as you call it, only affects the Earth>s
oceans. It is far too puny to affect the landmass. The
Earth has no tidal effect on the Moon, since its rotational
period coincides with its orbital period. No flexing there,
Guthball
Technically speaking, the moon has a "static tide". Although
some might say that is an oxymoron. However, there is a still a
tidal potential that affects the moon and therefor a tide,
static or not.
But indeed, since the tide is static there is no flexing, hence
no heating
Stuart
? "no heating" via tidal flex ?
Yes. What part of " there is no flexing, hence no heating" did you
not understand?
The perpetual naysay part that hasn>t offered a stitch of physics or
even good science backing it up.
[/quote]
Our uneducated Brad wouldn>t recognize good science if it bit you on the
toe.
[quote]Does this mean you know why Io (without spin and hardly even
elliptical) is so geophysically and geothermally active?
[/quote]
Because our gaseous multimooned and large Jupiter is large.
[quote]In other damage-control words of your silly mindset, the laws of
physics simply do not apply off world, or even as to that of our
Selene/moon global warming Earth via tidal flex forces that can>t
possibly avoid becoming thermal energy. Are you certain about
that?
They>re talking about the moon not being heated.
So, our Selene/moon is somehow the one and only such moon that>s not
the least bit tidal flex heated?
[/quote]
Our intelligent Timberwoof stated that the insignificant tidal heating
of the earth is insignificant. The small size of our small earth and its
small effect on the moon make any tidal heating of our small moon small,
probably insignificant.
[quote]Any way you¹d care to slice and dice it, it seems continually
moving and/or distorting the crust of Earth by 55 cm via tidal
flexing is going to create a little unavoidable geothermal heat
via friction.
Sure. Maybe you could calculate it. One could use a slide rule. No
supercomputer needed.
Perhaps a "slide rule" with a few spare CPUs attached and a healthy
dose of complex physics software might do the trick. Are you going
to show us how simple that is?
[/quote]
Our uneducated Brad doesn>t know enough about physics to do simple
calculations. Our befuddled Brad has never considered how our genius
physicists ever got any work done before the invention of complex
software to run on multiple-CPU supercomputers.
--
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: Re: Other than terrestrial water and tidal flex heating |
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In article
<b14d385f-6696-4808-8013-b4afe3609b5a@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 19, 9:27 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 6:12 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 8:47 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:41 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:57 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 18, 7:39 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c8b5981-0747-4674-b44d-d412a27096a4@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.
com...
This topic is entirely Selene/moon related, such as the supposed
volcanic or lava fused as little and apparently not so little
basalt
and silica combined spheres (?green glass spherules?) that
researchers
claim to be of their NASA/Apollo moon rock samples, that which
supposedly their spendy (public owned) mass spectrometers as
having
only recently detected as containing 260,000 ppb of good old h2o.
(that>s not necessarily per given mass of common moon bedrock,
but of
the given mass of each little portion of rock containing such
lava
formulated geodes as solid glass spheres that could have been
contributed and/or contaminated by most any icy meteor encounter)
Water Discovered in Moon Rock Samples / By Jeremy Hsu of
Space.com
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380148,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380148,00.html#
http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19926644.200-now-the-moon-r
ev...
snip Guthball drivel
The tidal flexing, as you call it, only affects the Earth>s
oceans. It is
far too puny to affect the landmass. The Earth has no tidal
effect on the
Moon, since its rotational period coincides with its orbital
period. No
flexing there, Guthball
Technically speaking, the moon has a "static tide". Although some
might say
that is an oxymoron. However, there is a still a tidal potential
that
affects the moon and therefor a tide, static or not.
But indeed, since the tide is static there is no flexing, hence
no heating
Stuart
I>ve snipped stuff that doesn>t make sense leaving one reasonable
question.
Isn>t Earth a relatively small and extensively fluid planet for
having
such a substantial moon that can measurably tidal flex the crust of
Earth by as much as 55 cm?
Indeed. I didn>t say the moon isn>t distorted by tides. It is.
By while the earth is rotating, the moon always shows the same face to
the
Earth; hence dissipation due to the lunar tide raised by the Earth
should be very small.
The lunar tide due to the Sun would probably cause more dissipation,
but
it will still be small.
Stuart
The tidal forced heating that I>m talking about is primarily that of
Earth being heated by that of our unusually large, nearby and fast
moving Selene/moon, and it>s by no means as insignificant as you>d
care to suggest.
Sorry.. the discussion above was about the moon. And thats what I
was talking about.
btw, what else other than tidal flex derived energy has been heating
Io to such an extent?
beats me. I was talking about the moon.
Stuart
Fine and dandy. By how many terawatts per each and every hour is our
Selene/moon tidal flex heated by way of the solar gravity plus mainly
that of Earth>s elliptical distance from the moon (similar to Io that
also has no spin and far less elliptical orbit)?
[/quote]
Our forgetful Brad has forgotten that he presented exactly those figures
a few days ago.
[quote]If we had that platform of science instruments situated within the
Selene/moon L1, as such we>d likely know this one down to the +/-
megawatt, if not better.
[/quote]
Our whiny Brad thinks that space probes can magically measure the tidal
heating of our moon simply by being on our moon, even though the vast
temperature differences between night and day on our month-long-day moon
are vast.
--
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"When you post sewage, don>t blame others for
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don findlay
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:10 am Post subject: Re: Other than terrestrial water and tidal flex heating |
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Stuart wrote:
[quote]On Jul 19, 6:12 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 8:47 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:41 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:57 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 18, 7:39 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c8b5981-0747-4674-b44d-d412a27096a4@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
This topic is entirely Selene/moon related, such as the supposed
volcanic or lava fused as little and apparently not so little basalt
and silica combined spheres (�green glass spherules�) that researchers
claim to be of their NASA/Apollo moon rock samples, that which
supposedly their spendy (public owned) mass spectrometers as having
only recently detected as containing 260,000 ppb of good old h2o.
(that>s not necessarily per given mass of common moon bedrock, but of
the given mass of each little portion of rock containing such lava
formulated geodes as solid glass spheres that could have been
contributed and/or contaminated by most any icy meteor encounter)
Water Discovered in Moon Rock Samples / By Jeremy Hsu of Space.com
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380148,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380148,00.html#
http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19926644.200-now-the-moon-rev...
snip Guthball drivel
The tidal flexing, as you call it, only affects the Earth>s oceans. It is
far too puny to affect the landmass. The Earth has no tidal effect on the
Moon, since its rotational period coincides with its orbital period. No
flexing there, Guthball
Technically speaking, the moon has a "static tide". Although some
might say
that is an oxymoron. However, there is a still a tidal potential that
affects the moon and therefor a tide, static or not.
But indeed, since the tide is static there is no flexing, hence
no heating
Stuart
I>ve snipped stuff that doesn>t make sense leaving one reasonable
question.
Isn>t Earth a relatively small and extensively fluid planet for having
such a substantial moon that can measurably tidal flex the crust of
Earth by as much as 55 cm?
Indeed. I didn>t say the moon isn>t distorted by tides. It is.
By while the earth is rotating, the moon always shows the same face to
the
Earth; hence dissipation due to the lunar tide raised by the Earth
should be very small.
The lunar tide due to the Sun would probably cause more dissipation,
but
it will still be small.
Stuart
The tidal forced heating that I>m talking about is primarily that of
Earth being heated by that of our unusually large, nearby and fast
moving Selene/moon, and it>s by no means as insignificant as you>d
care to suggest.
Sorry.. the discussion above was about the moon. And thats what I
was talking about.
btw, what else other than tidal flex derived energy has been heating
Io to such an extent?
beats me. I was talking about the moon.
Stuart
[/quote]
How do you combat bullshit in the world, when there are guys like
Stuart around, ready to jump with just one leg in his tights, ..who
can>t read the question in the first place and remain silent about
rubbish like this in the second:-
http://www.noc.soton.ac.uk/gg/classroom@sea/general_science/images/acc_prism.jpg
..and worse, this in the third:-
----------------------------------------------------
"... When two continental plates move towards each other, both plates
are forced upwards in a series of folds. This caused big problems for
early geologists who struggled to explain why they were finding
fossils of sea creatures high up in mountains such as the Himalayas!
We now know that the fossils got there due to uplift of sedimentary
rocks found along the edges of the plates. (Previous suggestions often
centered on religious myths / beliefs such as Noah>s Great Flood.)
You can simulate this process using two flat strips of modeling clay
or old carpet. Put them side by side and push them together. One or
both will crumple up and form a mini mountain range on your table
top."
http://www.geography-site.co.uk/pages/physical/earth/fold_mountains.html
--------------------------------------------------------
And just in case you>re actually imaginatively impaired when it comes
to crumpling your carpet on the tabletop (this one>s for the
ladies), :-) :-) you can do it with Origami.
http://www.scheib.net/play/paper/01-02.jpg
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Now that you>re back from your cruise Stuart,
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/nonsense/rubber.html
...how about getting both legs in, ..forget about the Moon, and deal
with the rubbish they>re teaching in schools and universities about
"fold mountains",
http://tinyurl.com/598hml
that noodles like you have helped to perpetrate from your vantage of
receiving the gifts that these poor suckers bring to you.
If you can read the question that is, .. ("How are fold mountains
created?" |
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BradGuth
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On Jul 19, 7:10 pm, don findlay <d...@tower.net.au> wrote:
[quote]Stuart wrote:
On Jul 19, 6:12 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 8:47 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:41 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:57 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 18, 7:39 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c8b5981-0747-4674-b44d-d412a27096a4@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
This topic is entirely Selene/moon related, such as the supposed
volcanic or lava fused as little and apparently not so little basalt
and silica combined spheres (�green glass spherules�) that researchers
claim to be of their NASA/Apollo moon rock samples, that which
supposedly their spendy (public owned) mass spectrometers as having
only recently detected as containing 260,000 ppb of good old h2o.
(that>s not necessarily per given mass of common moon bedrock, but of
the given mass of each little portion of rock containing such lava
formulated geodes as solid glass spheres that could have been
contributed and/or contaminated by most any icy meteor encounter)
Water Discovered in Moon Rock Samples / By Jeremy Hsu of Space.com
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380148,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380148,00.html#
http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19926644.200-now-the-moon-rev...
snip Guthball drivel
The tidal flexing, as you call it, only affects the Earth>s oceans. It is
far too puny to affect the landmass. The Earth has no tidal effect on the
Moon, since its rotational period coincides with its orbital period. No
flexing there, Guthball
Technically speaking, the moon has a "static tide". Although some
might say
that is an oxymoron. However, there is a still a tidal potential that
affects the moon and therefor a tide, static or not.
But indeed, since the tide is static there is no flexing, hence
no heating
Stuart
I>ve snipped stuff that doesn>t make sense leaving one reasonable
question.
Isn>t Earth a relatively small and extensively fluid planet for having
such a substantial moon that can measurably tidal flex the crust of
Earth by as much as 55 cm?
Indeed. I didn>t say the moon isn>t distorted by tides. It is.
By while the earth is rotating, the moon always shows the same face to
the
Earth; hence dissipation due to the lunar tide raised by the Earth
should be very small.
The lunar tide due to the Sun would probably cause more dissipation,
but
it will still be small.
Stuart
The tidal forced heating that I>m talking about is primarily that of
Earth being heated by that of our unusually large, nearby and fast
moving Selene/moon, and it>s by no means as insignificant as you>d
care to suggest.
Sorry.. the discussion above was about the moon. And thats what I
was talking about.
btw, what else other than tidal flex derived energy has been heating
Io to such an extent?
beats me. I was talking about the moon.
Stuart
How do you combat bullshit in the world, when there are guys like
Stuart around, ready to jump with just one leg in his tights, ..who
can>t read the question in the first place and remain silent about
rubbish like this in the second:-http://www.noc.soton.ac.uk/gg/classroom@sea/general_science/images/ac...
..and worse, this in the third:-
----------------------------------------------------
"... When two continental plates move towards each other, both plates
are forced upwards in a series of folds. This caused big problems for
early geologists who struggled to explain why they were finding
fossils of sea creatures high up in mountains such as the Himalayas!
We now know that the fossils got there due to uplift of sedimentary
rocks found along the edges of the plates. (Previous suggestions often
centered on religious myths / beliefs such as Noah>s Great Flood.)
You can simulate this process using two flat strips of modeling clay
or old carpet. Put them side by side and push them together. One or
both will crumple up and form a mini mountain range on your table
top."http://www.geography-site.co.uk/pages/physical/earth/fold_mountains.html
--------------------------------------------------------
And just in case you>re actually imaginatively impaired when it comes
to crumpling your carpet on the tabletop (this one>s for the
ladies), :-) :-) you can do it with Origami.http://www.scheib.net/play/paper/01-02.jpg
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Now that you>re back from your cruise Stuart,http://users.indigo.net.au/don/nonsense/rubber.html
...how about getting both legs in, ..forget about the Moon, and deal
with the rubbish they>re teaching in schools and universities about
"fold mountains",http://tinyurl.com/598hml
that noodles like you have helped to perpetrate from your vantage of
receiving the gifts that these poor suckers bring to you.
If you can read the question that is, .. ("How are fold mountains
created?"
[/quote]
Perhaps those â€fold mountains†are the exact same as what created
those pesky Antarctic mountains that haven’t measurably eroded, and
otherwise responsible for the total lack of Arctic mountains. Perhaps
the Arctic ocean basin is the antifold or navel innie fold of mother
Earth (aka passage to the center of Earth).
Seems without a rather sizable impact for having created much of what
the Arctic ocean basin represents, having set much of our seasonal
tilt and having slightly modified Earth’s spin, that much of this
planet would be a whole lot smoother and loads cooler.
- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth |
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BradGuth
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On Jul 19, 5:14 pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>
wrote:
[quote]In article
81a60bf3-ed7f-47e2-9930-47e793db0...@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is your "large Jupiter" a new kind of scientific statement as to the
specific size of the solid portion of Jupiter that>s relatively
uniform?
No.
Exactly how large is the solid portion or gravity made as a dense/
solid surface of Jupiter,
What the hell does that mean?
[/quote]
Are you suggesting the surface of Jupiter is only that of a highly
compressed gas? Because if so there shouldn>t be any uneven gravity/
mascon issues worthy of tidal flexing the likes of Io, other than its
extremely slight elliptical orbit.
[quote]
and how nonuniform is its gravity or that
of its surface of mascons??
I don>t know.
[/quote]
Me neither, that>s why I was asking.
[quote]
Are you saying that a "large Jupiter" of being such a gas giant
planet has unusually uneven gravity that>s capable of tidal flexing
its near circular orbiting moons to death?
No.
[/quote]
Well then, what>s keeping Io and a few other moons so gosh darn
active?
[quote]
Are you saying that the very same kind of orbital mechanics and
physics doesn>t apply to our Selene/moon or to that of Earth getting
tidal flex heated?
No.
[/quote]
That>s good to hear.
[quote]
In other damage-control words of your silly mindset, the laws
of physics simply do not apply off world, or even as to that
of our Selene/moon global warming Earth via tidal flex forces
that can>t possibly avoid becoming thermal energy. Are you
certain about that?
They>re talking about the moon not being heated.
So, our Selene/moon is somehow the one and only such moon that>s
not the least bit tidal flex heated?
Our intelligent Timberwoof stated that the insignificant tidal
heating of the earth is insignificant.
The hell you say, 0.05% of 2e20 N/sec is "insignificant"?
Yes. How much heat does it produce? What>s the rate, in watts, of heat
production? Compare that to the rate, in watts, of heat production by
radioactive potassium, and to the rate, in watts, of the the earth>s
heat loss to space.
[/quote]
A substantial core of thorium would tend to represent a rather
impressive natural source or cache of radioactive produced thermal
energy, of which has to eventually migrate to the nearly 15 km average
terrestrial crust, and then ever so slightly filter its way through
this crust before radiating through our wet atmosphere and off into
space.
At the R-factor of a little better than 1/m3, suggesting an average
crust insulation that>s worthy of perhaps R-2048000, thereby
representing a thermal conductivity coefficient of .0000004882,
however the substantially thinner crust under our oceans might tend to
bring the global average of crust insulation down to R-1024000, or
thermal conductivity coefficient of .0000009765.
Either way that>s suggesting upon Earth having either a thorium core,
and/or added thermal energy of tidal flux working along with our
radioactive core.
[quote]
The small size of our small earth and its small effect on the moon
make any tidal heating of our small moon small, probably
insignificant.
And vise versa, like I>d specifically asked about how much our moon
tidal flexes Earth as becoming unavoidably hotter because of our
98.5% fluid world having that Selene/moon to continually deal with,
as well as in its highly elliptical orbit adding additional factors
of tidal flex that by rights should go either way.
You>re the one claiming that the heating is significant. You can do the
calculations, or look them up, and say how much heat is being generated
by that process.
[/quote]
I haven>t found research that>s in sufficient agreement with any other
soul on Earth. It>s as though there>s a lot of mainstream
puppeteering and swag going on in order to continually avoid or simply
exclude whatever our Selene/moon might have to contribute towards
global warming. However, I>ve conservatively done just that, by
having interpreted a mere 0.05% of the 2e20 N/sec of the available
tidal force converted into thermal dynamic energy (100 microwatt/m3).
Wouldn>t you tend to favor that it>s actually of a greater percentage?
[quote]
Any way you¹d care to slice and dice it, it seems continually
moving and/or distorting the crust of Earth by 55 cm via
tidal flexing is going to create a little unavoidable
geothermal heat via friction.
Sure. Maybe you could calculate it. One could use a slide rule.
No supercomputer needed.
Perhaps a "slide rule" with a few spare CPUs attached and a
healthy dose of complex physics software might do the trick. Are
you going to show us how simple that is?
Our uneducated Brad doesn>t know enough about physics to do simple
calculations. Our befuddled Brad has never considered how our
genius physicists ever got any work done before the invention of
complex software to run on multiple-CPU supercomputers.
And you have no such intentions of ever knocking our socks off with
your superior expertise, or even that of offering your best swag
because????? (DARPA and most everyone else of their brown-nosed kind
would kick your butt)
Because our ignorant and obstreporous Brad doesn>t pay any attention
when anyone does try to tell him anything about real science. Our kooky
Brad always prefers his own pseudoscientific, nonnumeric,
adjective-laden, paranoia-based fairy-takes.
[/quote]
Then you>d knowingly support anything mainstream Zionist/Nazi and of
their New World Order that>s essentially in charge of most everything
that matters, even if it were based upon yet another lie or total
fabrication or distortion of the actual facts that would be telling us
otherwise. Does this mean evidence exclusion and conditional physics
follows suit in all areas of your supposed expertise?
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Timberwoof
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In article
<81a60bf3-ed7f-47e2-9930-47e793db0fe9@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 19, 12:43 pm, Timberwoof
timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:
In article
82dcde69-2423-42b3-b968-948e3f6fc...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 11:00 am, Timberwoof
timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:
In article
c466a76c-a661-4fee-9cbc-22e2c7dc9...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.co
m>,
BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:57 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 18, 7:39 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
The tidal flexing, as you call it, only affects the
Earth>s oceans. It is far too puny to affect the
landmass. The Earth has no tidal effect on the Moon,
since its rotational period coincides with its orbital
period. No flexing there, Guthball
Technically speaking, the moon has a "static tide".
Although some might say that is an oxymoron. However, there
is a still a tidal potential that affects the moon and
therefor a tide, static or not.
But indeed, since the tide is static there is no flexing,
hence no heating
Stuart
? "no heating" via tidal flex ?
Yes. What part of " there is no flexing, hence no heating" did
you not understand?
The perpetual naysay part that hasn>t offered a stitch of physics
or even good science backing it up.
Our uneducated Brad wouldn>t recognize good science if it bit you
on the toe.
Does this mean you know why Io (without spin and hardly even
elliptical) is so geophysically and geothermally active?
Because our gaseous multimooned and large Jupiter is large.
Is your "large Jupiter" a new kind of scientific statement as to the
specific size of the solid portion of Jupiter that>s relatively
uniform?
[/quote]
No.
[quote]Exactly how large is the solid portion or gravity made as a dense/
solid surface of Jupiter,
[/quote]
What the hell does that mean?
[quote]and how nonuniform is its gravity or that
of its surface of mascons??
[/quote]
I don>t know.
[quote]Are you saying that a "large Jupiter" of being such a gas giant
planet has unusually uneven gravity that>s capable of tidal flexing
its near circular orbiting moons to death?
[/quote]
No.
[quote]Are you saying that the very same kind of orbital mechanics and
physics doesn>t apply to our Selene/moon or to that of Earth getting
tidal flex heated?
[/quote]
No.
[quote]In other damage-control words of your silly mindset, the laws
of physics simply do not apply off world, or even as to that
of our Selene/moon global warming Earth via tidal flex forces
that can>t possibly avoid becoming thermal energy. Are you
certain about that?
They>re talking about the moon not being heated.
So, our Selene/moon is somehow the one and only such moon that>s
not the least bit tidal flex heated?
Our intelligent Timberwoof stated that the insignificant tidal
heating of the earth is insignificant.
The hell you say, 0.05% of 2e20 N/sec is "insignificant"?
[/quote]
Yes. How much heat does it produce? What>s the rate, in watts, of heat
production? Compare that to the rate, in watts, of heat production by
radioactive potassium, and to the rate, in watts, of the the earth>s
heat loss to space.
[quote]The small size of our small earth and its small effect on the moon
make any tidal heating of our small moon small, probably
insignificant.
And vise versa, like I>d specifically asked about how much our moon
tidal flexes Earth as becoming unavoidably hotter because of our
98.5% fluid world having that Selene/moon to continually deal with,
as well as in its highly elliptical orbit adding additional factors
of tidal flex that by rights should go either way.
[/quote]
You>re the one claiming that the heating is significant. You can do the
calculations, or look them up, and say how much heat is being generated
by that process.
[quote]Any way you¹d care to slice and dice it, it seems continually
moving and/or distorting the crust of Earth by 55 cm via
tidal flexing is going to create a little unavoidable
geothermal heat via friction.
Sure. Maybe you could calculate it. One could use a slide rule.
No supercomputer needed.
Perhaps a "slide rule" with a few spare CPUs attached and a
healthy dose of complex physics software might do the trick. Are
you going to show us how simple that is?
Our uneducated Brad doesn>t know enough about physics to do simple
calculations. Our befuddled Brad has never considered how our
genius physicists ever got any work done before the invention of
complex software to run on multiple-CPU supercomputers.
And you have no such intentions of ever knocking our socks off with
your superior expertise, or even that of offering your best swag
because????? (DARPA and most everyone else of their brown-nosed kind
would kick your butt)
[/quote]
Because our ignorant and obstreporous Brad doesn>t pay any attention
when anyone does try to tell him anything about real science. Our kooky
Brad always prefers his own pseudoscientific, nonnumeric,
adjective-laden, paranoia-based fairy-takes.
[quote]- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
[/quote]
--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don>t blame others for
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Timberwoof
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In article
<41a31723-1210-47b7-ad3a-5f5043ae1dfb@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 19, 12:46 pm, Timberwoof
timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:
In article
b14d385f-6696-4808-8013-b4afe3609...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 9:27 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 6:12 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 8:47 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:41 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:57 am, Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 18, 7:39 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c8b5981-0747-4674-b44d-d412a27096a4@p25g2000pri.googlegro
ups.
com...
This topic is entirely Selene/moon related, such as the
supposed
volcanic or lava fused as little and apparently not so little
basalt
and silica combined spheres (?green glass spherules?) that
researchers
claim to be of their NASA/Apollo moon rock samples, that
which
supposedly their spendy (public owned) mass spectrometers as
having
only recently detected as containing 260,000 ppb of good old
h2o.
(that>s not necessarily per given mass of common moon
bedrock,
but of
the given mass of each little portion of rock containing such
lava
formulated geodes as solid glass spheres that could have been
contributed and/or contaminated by most any icy meteor
encounter)
Water Discovered in Moon Rock Samples / By Jeremy Hsu of
Space.com
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380148,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380148,00.html#
http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19926644.200-now-the-mo
on-r
ev...
snip Guthball drivel
The tidal flexing, as you call it, only affects the Earth>s
oceans. It is
far too puny to affect the landmass. The Earth has no tidal
effect on the
Moon, since its rotational period coincides with its orbital
period. No
flexing there, Guthball
Technically speaking, the moon has a "static tide". Although
some
might say
that is an oxymoron. However, there is a still a tidal
potential
that
affects the moon and therefor a tide, static or not.
But indeed, since the tide is static there is no flexing, hence
no heating
Stuart
I>ve snipped stuff that doesn>t make sense leaving one reasonable
question.
Isn>t Earth a relatively small and extensively fluid planet for
having
such a substantial moon that can measurably tidal flex the crust
of
Earth by as much as 55 cm?
Indeed. I didn>t say the moon isn>t distorted by tides. It is.
By while the earth is rotating, the moon always shows the same face
to
the
Earth; hence dissipation due to the lunar tide raised by the Earth
should be very small.
The lunar tide due to the Sun would probably cause more
dissipation,
but
it will still be small.
Stuart
The tidal forced heating that I>m talking about is primarily that of
Earth being heated by that of our unusually large, nearby and fast
moving Selene/moon, and it>s by no means as insignificant as you>d
care to suggest.
Sorry.. the discussion above was about the moon. And thats what I
was talking about.
btw, what else other than tidal flex derived energy has been heating
Io to such an extent?
beats me. I was talking about the moon.
Stuart
Fine and dandy. By how many terawatts per each and every hour is our
Selene/moon tidal flex heated by way of the solar gravity plus mainly
that of Earth>s elliptical distance from the moon (similar to Io that
also has no spin and far less elliptical orbit)?
Our forgetful Brad has forgotten that he presented exactly those figures
a few days ago.
I was speaking of Earth being tidal flex heated by our Selene/moon, by
at least .05% of the 2e20 N worth of tidal radius force that>s
continually taking place. How much more or less were you thinking
it>s worth?
[/quote]
Our clueless Brad thinks force directly creates heat and that the
insignificant work done by that force, when converted to heat, is
significant.
[quote]If we had that platform of science instruments situated within the
Selene/moon L1, as such we>d likely know this one down to the +/-
megawatt, if not better.
Our whiny Brad thinks that space probes can magically measure the tidal
heating of our moon simply by being on our moon, even though the vast
temperature differences between night and day on our month-long-day moon
are vast.
Are you suggesting that our Selene/moon L1 is a total waste of space,
that which our science should continually ignore for their own good?
[/quote]
Our preposterous Brad loves to leap to ludicrous delusions.
[quote]Are you suggesting that our Selene/moon and Earth somehow manage to
interactively exchange/cause nothing worth of tidal flex heating?
[/quote]
Our idiotic Brad expresses interest in egregious extremes.
[quote]If so, do tell what>s keeping the likes of Io and any number of other
moons so freaking active instead of being of solid dry-ice or that of
just about any kind of ice except water ice?
[/quote]
Something having to to with our large Jupiter being large.
[quote]How about Titan, with its robust atmosphere: What>s keeping Titan
from freezing itself solid by night, if not via tidal flex heating?
[/quote]
Something having to to with our large Jupiter being large.
[quote]Are Saturn and Jupiter all that IR worthy?
[/quote]
Infrared?
[quote]Are you suggesting that such active moons have a core of thorium?
[/quote]
Our silly Brad is jumping to unwarranted conclusions.
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Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don>t blame others for
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