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mpm · Guest

On Jul 31, 8:54ï¿½am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
[quote]Obama announces solution to the gasoline crisis...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=71044

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[/quote]
So what>s wrong with this?
Isn>t the opposite true: If we all deflated our tires and skipped
tune-ups, wouldn>t our mileage suffer? And if we then drove the same
amount, wouldn>t that require more fuel, and more pressure on the
demand side of the equation?

Unless the comparitive gallons are wrong (i.e., savings due to
maintenance vs. the delta in consumption by not maintaining and making
up that supply with new oil drilling). I don>t have those facts. But
regardless, conservation has to be part of the solution, so in that
regard, Obama is right on message.

-mpm

Richard Henry · Guest

On Jul 31, 8:27 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:08:57 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmill...@aol.com
wrote:

On Jul 31, 8:54?am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
Obama announces solution to the gasoline crisis...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=71044

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ...Jim Thompson
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? ? ? ? ? The Democrats lost their souls a long time ago.
? ? ?It must have happened when they had their spines removed.

So what>s wrong with this?
Isn>t the opposite true: If we all deflated our tires and skipped
tune-ups, wouldn>t our mileage suffer? And if we then drove the same
amount, wouldn>t that require more fuel, and more pressure on the
demand side of the equation?

Unless the comparitive gallons are wrong (i.e., savings due to
maintenance vs. the delta in consumption by not maintaining and making
up that supply with new oil drilling). I don>t have those facts. But
regardless, conservation has to be part of the solution, so in that
regard, Obama is right on message.

-mpm

Act like an engineer instead of a leftist loonie... the MPG savings
for properly inflated tires is NOT sufficient to save you from the
cost increase.

Likewise, in our modern automotive times, "maintenance" is only
changing your oil.

Put some real numbers to it!
[/quote]
Unlike the WND article?

mpm · Guest

On Jul 31, 10:27ï¿½am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com>

[quote]Put some real numbers to it!
[/quote]
I stated up-front I didn>t have the numbers.
But if you got even 5% more efficiency, wouldn>t that still make a
huge dent.?

Of course I agree that it>s "impractical to the point of being
impossible" to have everyone riding around on properly-inflated tires,
attached to well tuned vehicles, 24/7.

So in that regard, I agree this is not sound energy policy.
But conservation IS, and though I did not hear Obama>s words directly,
I>ll wager it was the comparison he was trying to make. And also to
point out, by comparison, how insignificant more drilling is to gas
prices at the pump NOW.

Mind you, I am not against more drilling.
I AM against the false beliefs that more oil leases creates - that of
easing our energy burdens now, which of course, it does not. (Though
by contrast, conservation WOULD ease our energy burden.)

-mpm

mpm · Guest

On Jul 31, 10:27ï¿½am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com>

[quote]Act like an engineer instead of a leftist loonie... the MPG savings
for properly inflated tires is NOT sufficient to save you from the
cost increase.
[/quote]
What if we inflated the tires, tuned-up the engine, and got all that
junk out of the backseat / trunk? Would that get us close?

-mpm

mpm · Guest

On Jul 31, 11:34ï¿½am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com>

[quote]Some of us have on-dash tire pressure indication ;-)
[/quote]
Ha, that>s nothing!
I>ve got an automatic, timed-release, over-inflation protection device
on one of my tires.

In other words: A nail I ran over several months ago. :)

It>s actually gotten bad enough in the past week it>s probably time to
go have it patched.

-mpm

Glenn Gundlach · Guest

mpm wrote:
[quote]On Jul 31, 10:27ï¿½am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-
I...@My-
Web-Site.com

Act like an engineer instead of a leftist loonie... the MPG
savings
for properly inflated tires is NOT sufficient to save you from
the
cost increase.

What if we inflated the tires, tuned-up the engine, and got all
that
junk out of the backseat / trunk? Would that get us close?

-mpm
[/quote]
5% would help but tire inflation will only buy you 1% or so and _only_
on the cars that are actually low. In southern CA we spend a lot of
time on the road and when waiting I often look at 'low' tires and will
tell the other driver to get it checked. I see very few low tires.

As for 'tuning' up the car, the last one I had that could benefit from
that was a 1977 VW Dasher which I parted with in 1983. The computer
constantly tunes the engine as you drive - and does a danged fine job
of it too.

You want to get 5-10% improvement for real? - and I can document this
claim. Stop racing to the next read light. I took this approch 4-5
years ago when gas was getting into the mid $2 zone. I dropped th
acceleration to 2-3 MPH / Second meaning 10-15 seconds to get to 30
MPH. Gas mileage went up 10% which was a little surprise that it was
that much. The real surprise was the stress level went WAY down. Want
to go around me? Fine. I>ll see you at the next light and if you>re
REAL smart, you>ll only have to get down to 20 before you get to speed
up and save even more. The pleasant surprise was that in a 1 hour
trip, the time difference _always_ fell into the same total whether I
'pushed' it or not.

Now I have Prius and for ALL the gas put into it in 2 years and 34000
miles, it>s over 51 MPG. I>m not interested in saving the planet per
se but if I help on that score AND save money, that>s great.

GÂ²

Michael A. Terrell · Guest

mpm wrote:
[quote]
On Jul 31, 8:54ï¿½am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
Obama announces solution to the gasoline crisis...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=71044

ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ...Jim Thompson
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ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ The Democrats lost their souls a long time ago.
ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½It must have happened when they had their spines removed.

So what>s wrong with this?
Isn>t the opposite true: If we all deflated our tires and skipped
tune-ups, wouldn>t our mileage suffer? And if we then drove the same
amount, wouldn>t that require more fuel, and more pressure on the
demand side of the equation?

Unless the comparitive gallons are wrong (i.e., savings due to
maintenance vs. the delta in consumption by not maintaining and making
up that supply with new oil drilling). I don>t have those facts. But
regardless, conservation has to be part of the solution, so in that
regard, Obama is right on message.

-mpm
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On Jul 31, 11:27ï¿½am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:08:57 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmill...@aol.com
wrote:

On Jul 31, 8:54?am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
Obama announces solution to the gasoline crisis...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=71044

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ...Jim Thompson
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? ? ? ? ? The Democrats lost their souls a long time ago.
? ? ?It must have happened when they had their spines removed.

So what>s wrong with this?
Isn>t the opposite true: ï¿½If we all deflated our tires and skipped
tune-ups, wouldn>t our mileage suffer? ï¿½And if we then drove the same
amount, wouldn>t that require more fuel, and more pressure on the
demand side of the equation?

Unless the comparitive gallons are wrong (i.e., savings due to
maintenance vs. the delta in consumption by not maintaining and making
up that supply with new oil drilling). ï¿½I don>t have those facts.. ï¿½But
regardless, conservation has to be part of the solution, so in that
regard, Obama is right on message.

-mpm

Act like an engineer instead of a leftist loonie... the MPG savings
for properly inflated tires is NOT sufficient to save you from the
cost increase.

Likewise, in our modern automotive times, "maintenance" is only
changing your oil.

Put some real numbers to it!

ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ...Jim Thompson
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[/quote]
Wikipedia offers the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_economy-maximizing_behaviors

Basically, 1.4% for every 1 psi under-inflation (all 4 tires.)
Research elsewhere shows this number is a lot worse for tractor-
trailers, but I accept Obama>s audience wasn>t long-haul truckers.
(Who presumably, pay more attention to tire pressures - being
professional drivers and all?)

Interesting new term:
"Nempimania" - Condition (sickness) of trying to get the best mileage
possible from a hybrid.

Learn something new everyday.!!
Still voting for Obama.

-mpm

Jim Thompson · Guest

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:08:57 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com>
wrote:

[quote]On Jul 31, 8:54?am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
Obama announces solution to the gasoline crisis...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=71044

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ...Jim Thompson
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? ? ? ? ? The Democrats lost their souls a long time ago.
? ? ?It must have happened when they had their spines removed.

So what>s wrong with this?
Isn>t the opposite true: If we all deflated our tires and skipped
tune-ups, wouldn>t our mileage suffer? And if we then drove the same
amount, wouldn>t that require more fuel, and more pressure on the
demand side of the equation?

Unless the comparitive gallons are wrong (i.e., savings due to
maintenance vs. the delta in consumption by not maintaining and making
up that supply with new oil drilling). I don>t have those facts. But
regardless, conservation has to be part of the solution, so in that
regard, Obama is right on message.

-mpm
[/quote]
Act like an engineer instead of a leftist loonie... the MPG savings
for properly inflated tires is NOT sufficient to save you from the
cost increase.

Likewise, in our modern automotive times, "maintenance" is only
changing your oil.

Put some real numbers to it!

...Jim Thompson
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Martin Brown · Guest

Jim Thompson wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:08:57 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

On Jul 31, 8:54?am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
Obama announces solution to the gasoline crisis...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=71044

So what>s wrong with this?
Isn>t the opposite true: If we all deflated our tires and skipped
tune-ups, wouldn>t our mileage suffer? And if we then drove the same
amount, wouldn>t that require more fuel, and more pressure on the
demand side of the equation?

Unless the comparitive gallons are wrong (i.e., savings due to
maintenance vs. the delta in consumption by not maintaining and making
up that supply with new oil drilling). I don>t have those facts. But
regardless, conservation has to be part of the solution, so in that
regard, Obama is right on message.

Act like an engineer instead of a leftist loonie... the MPG savings
for properly inflated tires is NOT sufficient to save you from the
cost increase.
[/quote]
OK acting like an engineer the statistics of tyre under inflation are
pretty frightening - more from a safety point of view than anything
else. Chances are every third car you pass on the road has one dodgy
tyre. Or do Neocons see road safety as an optional extra.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/rulings/tirepresfinal/safetypr.html

It does increase rolling resistance and affect fuel economy by about 1%
for each 3psi underinflation. Given the high proportion of cars and
light trucks on the road with hopelessly out of spec tyre pressures his
message is pretty reasonable. The French are very hot on this.

[quote]
Likewise, in our modern automotive times, "maintenance" is only
changing your oil.
[/quote]
Normally you top up the coolant and windscreen washers too. Unless US
cars are particularly prone to going out of tune there isn>t much point
in paying extra for tuneups, snake oil or magic potions.
[quote]
Put some real numbers to it!
[/quote]
According to the NHTSA figures the fuel efficiency is compromised by at
least 0.25% over the entire fleet by flat tyres. Plus the additional
wear and tear on the tyres. I can>t see this affecting the price much.

Roughly 40% of light vehicles have at least one tyre 20% low, 28% of
them have one tyre more than 25% low. Since they don>t give details of
how many cars are driving around with multiple flat tyres. Though you
could guess that 10% of all tyres are 20% down given that most cars have
4 wheels.

Regards,
Martin Brown
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Jim Thompson · Guest

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:04:41 +0100, Martin Brown
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

[quote]Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:08:57 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

On Jul 31, 8:54?am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
Obama announces solution to the gasoline crisis...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=71044

So what>s wrong with this?
Isn>t the opposite true: If we all deflated our tires and skipped
tune-ups, wouldn>t our mileage suffer? And if we then drove the same
amount, wouldn>t that require more fuel, and more pressure on the
demand side of the equation?

Unless the comparitive gallons are wrong (i.e., savings due to
maintenance vs. the delta in consumption by not maintaining and making
up that supply with new oil drilling). I don>t have those facts. But
regardless, conservation has to be part of the solution, so in that
regard, Obama is right on message.

Act like an engineer instead of a leftist loonie... the MPG savings
for properly inflated tires is NOT sufficient to save you from the
cost increase.

OK acting like an engineer the statistics of tyre under inflation are
pretty frightening - more from a safety point of view than anything
else. Chances are every third car you pass on the road has one dodgy
tyre. Or do Neocons see road safety as an optional extra.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/rulings/tirepresfinal/safetypr.html

It does increase rolling resistance and affect fuel economy by about 1%
for each 3psi underinflation. Given the high proportion of cars and
light trucks on the road with hopelessly out of spec tyre pressures his
message is pretty reasonable. The French are very hot on this.

Likewise, in our modern automotive times, "maintenance" is only
changing your oil.

Normally you top up the coolant and windscreen washers too. Unless US
cars are particularly prone to going out of tune there isn>t much point
in paying extra for tuneups, snake oil or magic potions.

Put some real numbers to it!

According to the NHTSA figures the fuel efficiency is compromised by at
least 0.25% over the entire fleet by flat tyres. Plus the additional
wear and tear on the tyres. I can>t see this affecting the price much.

Roughly 40% of light vehicles have at least one tyre 20% low, 28% of
them have one tyre more than 25% low. Since they don>t give details of
how many cars are driving around with multiple flat tyres. Though you
could guess that 10% of all tyres are 20% down given that most cars have
4 wheels.

Regards,
Martin Brown
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
[/quote]
Some of us have on-dash tire pressure indication ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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Oh, but heâ€™s so cute and he will lead us with hope and vision ?:-)"

Michael A. Terrell · Guest

Martin Brown wrote:
[quote]
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:08:57 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

On Jul 31, 8:54?am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
Obama announces solution to the gasoline crisis...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=71044

So what>s wrong with this?
Isn>t the opposite true: If we all deflated our tires and skipped
tune-ups, wouldn>t our mileage suffer? And if we then drove the same
amount, wouldn>t that require more fuel, and more pressure on the
demand side of the equation?

Unless the comparitive gallons are wrong (i.e., savings due to
maintenance vs. the delta in consumption by not maintaining and making
up that supply with new oil drilling). I don>t have those facts. But
regardless, conservation has to be part of the solution, so in that
regard, Obama is right on message.

Act like an engineer instead of a leftist loonie... the MPG savings
for properly inflated tires is NOT sufficient to save you from the
cost increase.

OK acting like an engineer the statistics of tyre under inflation are
pretty frightening - more from a safety point of view than anything
else. Chances are every third car you pass on the road has one dodgy
tyre. Or do Neocons see road safety as an optional extra.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/rulings/tirepresfinal/safetypr.html

It does increase rolling resistance and affect fuel economy by about 1%
for each 3psi underinflation. Given the high proportion of cars and
light trucks on the road with hopelessly out of spec tyre pressures his
message is pretty reasonable. The French are very hot on this.

Likewise, in our modern automotive times, "maintenance" is only
changing your oil.

Normally you top up the coolant and windscreen washers too. Unless US
cars are particularly prone to going out of tune there isn>t much point
in paying extra for tuneups, snake oil or magic potions.

Put some real numbers to it!

According to the NHTSA figures the fuel efficiency is compromised by at
least 0.25% over the entire fleet by flat tyres. Plus the additional
wear and tear on the tyres. I can>t see this affecting the price much.

Roughly 40% of light vehicles have at least one tyre 20% low, 28% of
them have one tyre more than 25% low. Since they don>t give details of
how many cars are driving around with multiple flat tyres. Though you
could guess that 10% of all tyres are 20% down given that most cars have
4 wheels.
[/quote]

First of all, no vehicle in the US has 'tyres'. Secondly, the advice
to keep the tires inflated, and the vehicle maintained is nothing new.
You hear it fairly often on TV, and in other media. All Obama is doing
is parroting well known data.

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Michael A. Terrell · Guest

Martin Brown wrote:
[quote]
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:08:57 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

On Jul 31, 8:54?am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
Obama announces solution to the gasoline crisis...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=71044

So what>s wrong with this?
Isn>t the opposite true: If we all deflated our tires and skipped
tune-ups, wouldn>t our mileage suffer? And if we then drove the same
amount, wouldn>t that require more fuel, and more pressure on the
demand side of the equation?

Unless the comparitive gallons are wrong (i.e., savings due to
maintenance vs. the delta in consumption by not maintaining and making
up that supply with new oil drilling). I don>t have those facts. But
regardless, conservation has to be part of the solution, so in that
regard, Obama is right on message.

Act like an engineer instead of a leftist loonie... the MPG savings
for properly inflated tires is NOT sufficient to save you from the
cost increase.

OK acting like an engineer the statistics of tyre under inflation are
pretty frightening - more from a safety point of view than anything
else. Chances are every third car you pass on the road has one dodgy
tyre. Or do Neocons see road safety as an optional extra.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/rulings/tirepresfinal/safetypr.html

It does increase rolling resistance and affect fuel economy by about 1%
for each 3psi underinflation. Given the high proportion of cars and
light trucks on the road with hopelessly out of spec tyre pressures his
message is pretty reasonable. The French are very hot on this.

Likewise, in our modern automotive times, "maintenance" is only
changing your oil.

Normally you top up the coolant and windscreen washers too. Unless US
cars are particularly prone to going out of tune there isn>t much point
in paying extra for tuneups, snake oil or magic potions.

Put some real numbers to it!

According to the NHTSA figures the fuel efficiency is compromised by at
least 0.25% over the entire fleet by flat tyres. Plus the additional
wear and tear on the tyres. I can>t see this affecting the price much.

Roughly 40% of light vehicles have at least one tyre 20% low, 28% of
them have one tyre more than 25% low. Since they don>t give details of
how many cars are driving around with multiple flat tyres. Though you
could guess that 10% of all tyres are 20% down given that most cars have
4 wheels.
[/quote]

First of all, no vehicle in the US has 'tyres'. Secondly, the advice
to keep the tires inflated, and the vehicle maintained is nothing new.
You hear it fairly often on TV, and in other media. All Obama is doing
is parroting well known data.

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Jim Thompson wrote:
[quote]
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:04:41 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:08:57 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

On Jul 31, 8:54?am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
Obama announces solution to the gasoline crisis...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=71044

So what>s wrong with this?
Isn>t the opposite true: If we all deflated our tires and skipped
tune-ups, wouldn>t our mileage suffer? And if we then drove the same
amount, wouldn>t that require more fuel, and more pressure on the
demand side of the equation?

Unless the comparitive gallons are wrong (i.e., savings due to
maintenance vs. the delta in consumption by not maintaining and making
up that supply with new oil drilling). I don>t have those facts. But
regardless, conservation has to be part of the solution, so in that
regard, Obama is right on message.

Act like an engineer instead of a leftist loonie... the MPG savings
for properly inflated tires is NOT sufficient to save you from the
cost increase.

OK acting like an engineer the statistics of tyre under inflation are
pretty frightening - more from a safety point of view than anything
else. Chances are every third car you pass on the road has one dodgy
tyre. Or do Neocons see road safety as an optional extra.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/rulings/tirepresfinal/safetypr.html

It does increase rolling resistance and affect fuel economy by about 1%
for each 3psi underinflation. Given the high proportion of cars and
light trucks on the road with hopelessly out of spec tyre pressures his
message is pretty reasonable. The French are very hot on this.

Likewise, in our modern automotive times, "maintenance" is only
changing your oil.

Normally you top up the coolant and windscreen washers too. Unless US
cars are particularly prone to going out of tune there isn>t much point
in paying extra for tuneups, snake oil or magic potions.

Put some real numbers to it!

According to the NHTSA figures the fuel efficiency is compromised by at
least 0.25% over the entire fleet by flat tyres. Plus the additional
wear and tear on the tyres. I can>t see this affecting the price much.

Roughly 40% of light vehicles have at least one tyre 20% low, 28% of
them have one tyre more than 25% low. Since they don>t give details of
how many cars are driving around with multiple flat tyres. Though you
could guess that 10% of all tyres are 20% down given that most cars have
4 wheels.

Regards,
Martin Brown
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Some of us have on-dash tire pressure indication ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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Quote of the day: "...going to an Obama meet-up tonight, full of
glassy-eyed cheerleaders with no fucking idea the trouble we are in
Oh, but heâ€™s so cute and he will lead us with hope and vision ?:-)"
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And Martin is one of his cheerleaders. :(

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