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Guest · Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: Neighbors dog got in my chickens

A dachshund. Always hated those little sh**s. This dingbat was
walking her dog and let him run off leash sniffing around my chicken
pen. The thing found a loose spot under the wire and went in and
followed them right into the coop. Mauled two of them. A young
rooster got chewed up behind one wing. His back looks kinda bloody. A
young hen was laying on her side, looking alert but unable to walk.
These are Rhode Island reds, about 5-6 weeks old. Do I need to kill
the injured ones or can I give them awhile to see if they recover?

Hal

Jill · Guest

hal@nospam.org wrote:
[quote]Do I need to kill
the injured ones or can I give them awhile to see if they recover?

[/quote]
Investigate each injury in detail. Clean up any wounds and see what extent
they are
Treat with antibiotics, some probiotics and a tincture of time

If they are not worth the time and the expense, cull quickly and replace.

--
regards
Jill Bowis

Domestic Poultry and Waterfowl Solutions
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine Nursery
Seasonal Farm Food
http://www.kintaline.co.uk

Guest

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:48:12 +0100, " Jill"
<news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:

[quote]hal@nospam.org wrote:
Do I need to kill
the injured ones or can I give them awhile to see if they recover?

Investigate each injury in detail. Clean up any wounds and see what extent
they are
Treat with antibiotics, some probiotics and a tincture of time

If they are not worth the time and the expense, cull quickly and replace.
[/quote]
the male was bitten on his back behind his right wing. The skin is
layed open and you can see flesh exposed for about a couple of sq.cm
or so. He is quite subdued looking. The hen shows no external
injuries but lays on her side with one leg extended so I can only
assume the dog grabbed her leg and it is broken. She seems alert. I
seperated the male into the old brood tank and gave him water although
he is not drinking. The hen I put up in the laying boxes which are
not being used yet and she just lays there and looks around. I>m
thinking it>s not looking very good for either one. All the rest
seem although very frightened and not venturing out any more. Lots
lost feathers, there>s large chunks of wing feathers laying
everywhere. I hate to let the two hurt ones suffer, but if they might
recover I>ld like to give them the chance.

Damn dogs

Hal

A_ L _P · Guest

hal@nospam.org wrote:
[quote]On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:48:12 +0100, " Jill"
news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:

hal@nospam.org wrote:
Do I need to kill the injured ones or can I give them awhile to
see if they recover?

Investigate each injury in detail. Clean up any wounds and see what
extent they are Treat with antibiotics, some probiotics and a
tincture of time

If they are not worth the time and the expense, cull quickly and
replace.

the male was bitten on his back behind his right wing. The skin is
layed open and you can see flesh exposed for about a couple of sq.cm
or so. He is quite subdued looking. The hen shows no external
injuries but lays on her side with one leg extended so I can only
assume the dog grabbed her leg and it is broken. She seems alert. I
seperated the male into the old brood tank and gave him water
although he is not drinking. The hen I put up in the laying boxes
which are not being used yet and she just lays there and looks
around. I>m thinking it>s not looking very good for either one.
All the rest seem although very frightened and not venturing out any
more. Lots lost feathers, there>s large chunks of wing feathers
laying everywhere. I hate to let the two hurt ones suffer, but if
they might recover I>ld like to give them the chance.

Damn dogs

An old chook-man told me domestic chickens have a very poor chance of[/quote]
getting better from illness or injury. The way he told it, in the
breeding for production and the temperament to be domesticated some of
the hardiness got lost. I think the majority of his experience with
chickens was before the widespread availability of antibiotics so it
could be different now.

A L P

Gordie · Guest

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:44:04 -0600, hal wrote:

[quote]A dachshund. Always hated those little sh**s. This dingbat was walking
her dog and let him run off leash sniffing around my chicken pen. The
thing found a loose spot under the wire and went in and followed them
right into the coop. Mauled two of them. A young rooster got chewed up
behind one wing. His back looks kinda bloody. A young hen was laying on
her side, looking alert but unable to walk. These are Rhode Island reds,
about 5-6 weeks old. Do I need to kill the injured ones or can I give
them awhile to see if they recover?

Hal
[/quote]
Had a young chicken that had a big wound under one wing from a skunk
bite. Flies laid eggs on the wound and the maggots ate all the dead
tissue keeping the site clean. She lived and thrived.

Jill · Guest

Gordie wrote:
[quote]
Had a young chicken that had a big wound under one wing from a skunk
bite. Flies laid eggs on the wound and the maggots ate all the dead
tissue keeping the site clean. She lived and thrived.
[/quote]
And fly strike - which is what that was - is a sure way to kill any animal.
The maggots do not eat only dead tissue but continue all the way in and eat
the animal inside out.
Ask any sheep farmer or rabbit owner particularly
www.google.co.uk/search?q=fly+strike

www.google.co.uk/images?q=fly+strike - not for the squeamish

I am glad your bird survived but its not a great choice of treatment.

--
regards
Jill Bowis

Domestic Poultry and Waterfowl Solutions
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine Nursery
Seasonal Farm Food
http://www.kintaline.co.uk

Gordie · Guest

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:05:43 +0100, Jill wrote:

[quote]Gordie wrote:

Had a young chicken that had a big wound under one wing from a skunk
bite. Flies laid eggs on the wound and the maggots ate all the dead
tissue keeping the site clean. She lived and thrived.

And fly strike - which is what that was - is a sure way to kill any
animal. The maggots do not eat only dead tissue but continue all the way
in and eat the animal inside out.
Ask any sheep farmer or rabbit owner particularly
www.google.co.uk/search?q=fly+strike

www.google.co.uk/images?q=fly+strike - not for the squeamish

I am glad your bird survived but its not a great choice of treatment.
[/quote]
I didn>t choose the treatment. Just reporting what happened.
Doctors are using maggots now to removed dead tissue. It is said that
they only eat the dead tissue and not living tissue.
It disgusts me to even think of it but the chicken lived and thrived and
after a year you couldn>t tell which bird it was.

Jill · Guest

Gordie wrote:
[quote]Ask any sheep farmer or rabbit owner particularly
www.google.co.uk/search?q=fly+strike

www.google.co.uk/images?q=fly+strike - not for the squeamish

I am glad your bird survived but its not a great choice of treatment.

I didn>t choose the treatment. Just reporting what happened.
Doctors are using maggots now to removed dead tissue.
[/quote]
I know - and of the exceptionally controlled conditions they do so.

That is not relevant to even suggesting that an animals wound is left open
to fly strike.

--
regards
Jill Bowis

Domestic Poultry and Waterfowl Solutions
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine Nursery
Seasonal Farm Food
http://www.kintaline.co.uk

Gordie · Guest

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:49:59 +0100, Jill wrote:

[quote]Gordie wrote:
Ask any sheep farmer or rabbit owner particularly
www.google.co.uk/search?q=fly+strike

www.google.co.uk/images?q=fly+strike - not for the squeamish

I am glad your bird survived but its not a great choice of treatment.

I didn>t choose the treatment. Just reporting what happened. Doctors
are using maggots now to removed dead tissue.

I know - and of the exceptionally controlled conditions they do so.

That is not relevant to even suggesting that an animals wound is left
open to fly strike.
[/quote]
Look, I have nothing to do either with some of my time.

You didn>t read and comprehend what I posted and then you hit *reply*
then you posted a link that said OTHER than what you want it to say. NOW
you say that I suggested something when -- YOU WON>T FIND A SUGGESTION in
my posts.

Moderate someone else. I don>t need moderation. Lemme guess - You are
in a 12-Step Program. If not you should join up because they all like to
complete each other>s sentences too.

Jill · Guest

Gordie wrote:
[quote]NOW you say that I suggested something when -- YOU WON>T FIND A
SUGGESTION in my posts.
[/quote]
You posted, on an open group, in a thread about an injured bird, that you
left an open wound to be attacked by maggots in an uncontrolled way, and it
had a good outcome despite this, that IS suggesting that it 'might' be a
good idea for the OP to copy.
It isn>t.
There is lots more evidence against it being a good idea, than for it. Which
is what I provided. Fly strike is what your bird had, it is something that
stockmen try to avoid at all cost, not encourage or promote as a possible
way to solve the problem someone else has with a wounded animal.

[quote]
Moderate someone else.
[/quote]
Its no moderation at all, its simply replying to your posts.
You post to an open group, therefore inviting a response.
I am aware, as I deal with the outcomes on a daily basis, just how much
damage suggestions and ideas like that can do in the hands of novices who do
not understand the alternative and usual consequences.
This group is archived on google for prosterity - therefore its better that
potentially dangerous intimations like allowing a bird to be afflicted by
fly strike as a successful, therefore useful, method of treating wounds,
have an alternative view posted so that any future reader can see other
sides to the coin.

--
regards
Jill Bowis

Domestic Poultry and Waterfowl Solutions
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine Nursery
Seasonal Farm Food
http://www.kintaline.co.uk

Gordie · Guest

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:15:42 +0100, Jill wrote:

What is this? PMS day?

[quote]Gordie wrote:
NOW you say that I suggested something when -- YOU WON>T FIND A
SUGGESTION in my posts.

You posted, on an open group, in a thread about an injured bird, that
you left an open wound to be attacked by maggots in an uncontrolled way,
and it had a good outcome despite this, that IS suggesting that it
'might' be a good idea for the OP to copy.
[/quote]
You continue to put words in my mouth. You were not there, I was. You
accuse me of things for which I am not guilty but you natter on.
- I DID NOT say that I left an open wound nor did I say that I did.
- I DID NOT allow the wound to be attacked by maggots nor did I say that
I did.
- You make assumptions and then say that because your assumptions (not
based on fact at all) MUST be correct then I am making suggestions.

READ every word and then sit back and understand what you have read and
then (only then) respond.
You either didn>t read my posts or you didn>t understand them or you
forgot what I posted the second you hit the reply button.

[quote]It isn>t.
There is lots more evidence against it being a good idea, than for it.
Which is what I provided. Fly strike is what your bird had, it is
something that stockmen try to avoid at all cost, not encourage or
promote as a possible way to solve the problem someone else has with a
wounded animal.
[/quote]
You didn>t read the article on Fly Strike or you didn>t understand it or
you forgot it pretty quick.
- This is chickens NOT rabbits or sheep.
- This was a wound and not runny shit leaking from the ass and coating
the rear end. Maggots didn>t travel up the digestive tract in my
chicken. Get your facts straight before replying.

I could tell you the whole story but it would be too dangerous because
you would be reading what I DON>T type and starting another fight.

Why are you so bitchy anyway?

[quote]

Moderate someone else.

Its no moderation at all, its simply replying to your posts. You post to
an open group, therefore inviting a response. I am aware, as I deal with
the outcomes on a daily basis, just how much damage suggestions and
ideas like that can do in the hands of novices who do not understand the
alternative and usual consequences. This group is archived on google for
prosterity - therefore its better that potentially dangerous intimations
like allowing a bird to be afflicted by fly strike as a successful,
therefore useful, method of treating wounds, have an alternative view
posted so that any future reader can see other sides to the coin.
[/quote]
My chicken don>t use Google. In your quest to be right at all costs you
are putting words in my mouth and I don>t like it.

You got nothing to do? Don>t do it here.

Jill · Guest

Gordie wrote:
[quote]
READ every word
[/quote]
Think of all the words you did not use in that post, and then, think on how
the words you did use are interpreted.
I did, because I get to deal with so many people reading back things just
like yours, acting on them in naivety, and then looking for help to solve
the resulting problem, I try and help them deal with the consequences. It
can be very tragic. So, yes, I am probably more sensitive to
mis-information, and misleading information, than most.
Just because you know exactly what happened does not make the rest of us
telepathic. It would be a useful trait, and maybe humankind will sit still
long enough to tune into its potential. Meanwhile we are stuck with what you
wrote. Your post gave credence to the idea that fly strike is a positive
husbandry method for the situation brought to the group by the OP, its not.
I am glad your bird recovered, as I said. I would not want anyone to read
this thread and think its a good solution to the problems presented by the
OP or anything similar.

[quote]
You didn>t read the article on Fly Strike or you didn>t understand it
or you forgot it pretty quick.
- This is chickens NOT rabbits or sheep.
[/quote]
Yes, and if you look at the archive of this group and elsewhere, you will
see that poultry can get the same.
Ducks, geese, and chickens are all quite capable of getting fly strike.
I have heard of enough cases, fortunately not too common, but very
unpleasant nonetheless, to not want to promote or support the idea in a
public archived situation.

[quote]- This was a wound and not runny shit leaking from the ass and coating
the rear end.
[/quote]
Fly strike happens in wounds very easily.
Fly strike can happen in a downer animal which is not able to swish its tail
or flutter its feathers for a while.
It happens particularly at any moist membrane like for a bird - the cloaca,
or even eyes. Large animals have a greater number and larger targets.
Flies can start to feed and then lay eggs within an hour of an animal
presenting an appropriate target.
In other species it does not even have to be anything as obvious, male sheep
can have seriously interesting wrinkles at their heads and around their
horns, these can be sufficiently suitable conditions for maggots which can
then get through into the brain, causing a fatal abcess. The same thing can
happen in stags in velvet.
The articles I posted were simply illustrations of some of the consequences.

Fly strike is not limited to the situations you seem to be familiar with.
There are very very very few, of the hundreds, probably thousands, of
species of fly that are found around the globe that are fairly reliable at
only devouring necrotic tissue. The problem is that the conditions that
encourage them also encourage plenty of other less discriminate species and
strikes can be multispecies.

[quote]Maggots didn>t travel up the digestive tract in my chicken.
[/quote]
As you say, but they could have just carried on into the flesh of the bird
and into the internal organs, and that was the warning I was giving.
From under the wing its a moist environment and its a short distance to
vital organs.
One situation that, thankfully, turned out well, does not mean that the
approach is a good one universally.

[quote]
Why are you so bitchy anyway?
[/quote]
I only gave a warning, about the other, and more usual, consequences to the
situation you described.
Maybe you have never seen fly strike? Maybe you have not heard about its
horrors from stockmen.

[quote]
My chicken don>t use Google.
[/quote]
Plenty of chicken owners do, and there are a vast number of novices around
these days.

--
regards
Jill Bowis

Domestic Poultry and Waterfowl Solutions
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine Nursery
Seasonal Farm Food
http://www.kintaline.co.uk

A_ L _P · Guest

Gordie wrote:
[quote]On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:05:43 +0100, Jill wrote:

Gordie wrote:
Had a young chicken that had a big wound under one wing from a skunk
bite. Flies laid eggs on the wound and the maggots ate all the dead
tissue keeping the site clean. She lived and thrived.
And fly strike - which is what that was - is a sure way to kill any
animal. The maggots do not eat only dead tissue but continue all the way
in and eat the animal inside out.
Ask any sheep farmer or rabbit owner particularly
www.google.co.uk/search?q=fly+strike

www.google.co.uk/images?q=fly+strike - not for the squeamish

I am glad your bird survived but its not a great choice of treatment.

I didn>t choose the treatment. Just reporting what happened.
Doctors are using maggots now to removed dead tissue. It is said that
they only eat the dead tissue and not living tissue.
It disgusts me to even think of it but the chicken lived and thrived and
after a year you couldn>t tell which bird it was.
[/quote]
It sounds as if you and the bird were lucky, so perhaps it>s worth
asking why, since what Jill said is true too in all too many cases.

The secret is to remove the maggots before they start chomping into
living flesh. It seems that this must have happened with your bird.
Why, how?

Did you find the bird when it still had maggots and clean them off?

Another reason (I>m speculating here) is that when they got into the
good flesh they hurt or tickled and she became aware of their presence,
and was able to reach them and peck them off.

Or perhaps they were obvious to the other birds who thought "Lovely - a
mobile diner!" and pecked them off but fortunately didn>t continue and
peck at the raw flesh?

I caught a possum recently in a Timms trap that kills them instantly.
Rang a friend to ask if his dogs would like it. He said no, and
suggested - not entirely joking - that I throw it up a tree so the
chooks could eat the maggots that would grow on it and drop off. Fresh
protein for days and days!

It would be interesting to know why fly-strike was beneficial to your
bird, because as Jill says it is more commonly an absolutely terrible
thing.

When I was very young my elderly doctor told me that soldiers who had
the least scarring from wounds were the ones who had the added grossness
of maggots hatching in them, before the men could be taken to the safety
of field hospitals and cleaned up. Then decades later I began to read
about the "new" treatment, using maggots specially bred in clean conditions.

A L P

Gordie · Guest

On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:57:40 +1200, A_ L _P wrote:

[quote]Gordie wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:05:43 +0100, Jill wrote:

Gordie wrote:
Had a young chicken that had a big wound under one wing from a skunk
bite. Flies laid eggs on the wound and the maggots ate all the dead
tissue keeping the site clean. She lived and thrived.
And fly strike - which is what that was - is a sure way to kill any
animal. The maggots do not eat only dead tissue but continue all the
way in and eat the animal inside out.
Ask any sheep farmer or rabbit owner particularly
www.google.co.uk/search?q=fly+strike

www.google.co.uk/images?q=fly+strike - not for the squeamish

I am glad your bird survived but its not a great choice of treatment.

I didn>t choose the treatment. Just reporting what happened. Doctors
are using maggots now to removed dead tissue. It is said that they
only eat the dead tissue and not living tissue. It disgusts me to even
think of it but the chicken lived and thrived and after a year you
couldn>t tell which bird it was.

It sounds as if you and the bird were lucky, so perhaps it>s worth
asking why, since what Jill said is true too in all too many cases.

The secret is to remove the maggots before they start chomping into
living flesh. It seems that this must have happened with your bird.
Why, how?

Did you find the bird when it still had maggots and clean them off?
[/quote]
Lost 22 birds the night before and found the bodies stacked like cordwood
under the subfloor of the coop. Still didn>t know what the predator was
at the time. Every bird on the floor was dead. All the mamas and all
the babies dead. Lost the entire year>s little ones in one night. All
that were on the roost were alive and traumatized.

Came home from work and let the dog off the leash. Was standing around
and enjoying the weather and noticed the dog carrying this chick around
with a worried look on her face. There was a hole the size of a silver
dollar under its wing and small maggots on the wound. You could see the
insides so I didn>t think it could make it but set out with tweezers to
remove the tiny maggots. Washed and dried the wound and applied
PolySporin and that lucky chick stayed in the house for a long while. It
must have been injured the evening before and was hiding and I didn>t see
it.

Got the single pipe shotgun and some 7-1/2 shot and went out to the coop,
put a 15 Watt bulb in the socket and left the light on and the door
barely open. Dressed up nice to keep the bugs off and to stay warm and
slept in the back room with our baby male goat. The chickens woke me up
and I saw the skunk. He DIDN>T see me :)
The bad part was kicking the carcass out of the coop with my new running
shoe and now the shoes had to sleep outside for more than a month :))

My only reason for posting this was the question was "Do I need to kill
the injured ones or can I give them awhile to see if they recover?" and I
say you would be surprised what some of them can go through and survive.
I didn>t choose the maggots anymore than I chose to have the skunk kill
the chickens (don>t even know what kind of fly laid the eggs in the
wound).

[quote]
Another reason (I>m speculating here) is that when they got into the
good flesh they hurt or tickled and she became aware of their presence,
and was able to reach them and peck them off.

Or perhaps they were obvious to the other birds who thought "Lovely - a
mobile diner!" and pecked them off but fortunately didn>t continue and
peck at the raw flesh?

I caught a possum recently in a Timms trap that kills them instantly.
Rang a friend to ask if his dogs would like it. He said no, and
suggested - not entirely joking - that I throw it up a tree so the
chooks could eat the maggots that would grow on it and drop off. Fresh
protein for days and days!
[/quote]
Oh yeah. Chickens love maggots. When we find something with maggots on
it I will call the chickens and watch the fun.

[quote]
It would be interesting to know why fly-strike was beneficial to your
bird, because as Jill says it is more commonly an absolutely terrible
thing.

When I was very young my elderly doctor told me that soldiers who had
the least scarring from wounds were the ones who had the added grossness
of maggots hatching in them, before the men could be taken to the safety
of field hospitals and cleaned up. Then decades later I began to read
about the "new" treatment, using maggots specially bred in clean
conditions.

A L P
[/quote]
Yes, they are using maggots to clean the dead flesh from wounds. Not for
me. I wouldn>t like bugs on my boo-boo. I was real upset when I had to
pick the maggots out of that wound.

The dog is a Lab/Shephard cross and is gentle to a fault. She won>t hurt
a chicken but will raid the nest if you let her have an opportunity. She
retrieved the injured chick but didn>t know what the rest of the story
should be since she isn>t a trained retriever. Must have carried it for
awhile before we noticed because the chick was sopping wet.

By the way. Thanks for asking and not accusing.

A_ L _P · Guest

Gordie wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:57:40 +1200, A_ L _P wrote:

Gordie wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:05:43 +0100, Jill wrote:

Gordie wrote:
Had a young chicken that had a big wound under one wing from
a skunk bite. Flies laid eggs on the wound and the maggots
ate all the dead tissue keeping the site clean. She lived
and thrived.
And fly strike - which is what that was - is a sure way to kill
any animal. The maggots do not eat only dead tissue but
continue all the way in and eat the animal inside out. Ask any
sheep farmer or rabbit owner particularly
www.google.co.uk/search?q=fly+strike

www.google.co.uk/images?q=fly+strike - not for the squeamish

I am glad your bird survived but its not a great choice of
treatment.
I didn>t choose the treatment. Just reporting what happened.
Doctors are using maggots now to removed dead tissue. It is said
that they only eat the dead tissue and not living tissue. It
disgusts me to even think of it but the chicken lived and thrived
and after a year you couldn>t tell which bird it was.
It sounds as if you and the bird were lucky, so perhaps it>s worth
asking why, since what Jill said is true too in all too many cases.

The secret is to remove the maggots before they start chomping into
living flesh. It seems that this must have happened with your
bird. Why, how?

Did you find the bird when it still had maggots and clean them off?

Lost 22 birds the night before and found the bodies stacked like
cordwood under the subfloor of the coop. Still didn>t know what the
predator was at the time. Every bird on the floor was dead. All the
mamas and all the babies dead. Lost the entire year>s little ones in
one night. All that were on the roost were alive and traumatized.

Came home from work and let the dog off the leash. Was standing
around and enjoying the weather and noticed the dog carrying this
chick around with a worried look on her face. There was a hole the
size of a silver dollar under its wing and small maggots on the
wound. You could see the insides so I didn>t think it could make it
but set out with tweezers to remove the tiny maggots. Washed and
dried the wound and applied PolySporin and that lucky chick stayed in
the house for a long while. It must have been injured the evening
before and was hiding and I didn>t see it.

Got the single pipe shotgun and some 7-1/2 shot and went out to the
coop, put a 15 Watt bulb in the socket and left the light on and the
door barely open. Dressed up nice to keep the bugs off and to stay
warm and slept in the back room with our baby male goat. The
chickens woke me up and I saw the skunk. He DIDN>T see me :) The bad
part was kicking the carcass out of the coop with my new running shoe
and now the shoes had to sleep outside for more than a month :))

My only reason for posting this was the question was "Do I need to
kill the injured ones or can I give them awhile to see if they
recover?" and I say you would be surprised what some of them can go
through and survive. I didn>t choose the maggots anymore than I chose
to have the skunk kill the chickens (don>t even know what kind of fly
laid the eggs in the wound).

Another reason (I>m speculating here) is that when they got into
the good flesh they hurt or tickled and she became aware of their
presence, and was able to reach them and peck them off.

Or perhaps they were obvious to the other birds who thought "Lovely
- a mobile diner!" and pecked them off but fortunately didn>t
continue and peck at the raw flesh?

I caught a possum recently in a Timms trap that kills them
instantly. Rang a friend to ask if his dogs would like it. He said
no, and suggested - not entirely joking - that I throw it up a tree
so the chooks could eat the maggots that would grow on it and drop
off. Fresh protein for days and days!

Oh yeah. Chickens love maggots. When we find something with maggots
on it I will call the chickens and watch the fun.

It would be interesting to know why fly-strike was beneficial to
your bird, because as Jill says it is more commonly an absolutely
terrible thing.

When I was very young my elderly doctor told me that soldiers who
had the least scarring from wounds were the ones who had the added
grossness of maggots hatching in them, before the men could be
taken to the safety of field hospitals and cleaned up. Then
decades later I began to read about the "new" treatment, using
maggots specially bred in clean conditions.

A L P

Yes, they are using maggots to clean the dead flesh from wounds. Not
for me. I wouldn>t like bugs on my boo-boo. I was real upset when I
had to pick the maggots out of that wound.

The dog is a Lab/Shephard cross and is gentle to a fault. She won>t
hurt a chicken but will raid the nest if you let her have an
opportunity. She retrieved the injured chick but didn>t know what
the rest of the story should be since she isn>t a trained retriever.
Must have carried it for awhile before we noticed because the chick
was sopping wet.

By the way. Thanks for asking and not accusing.
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Re "accusing" - these questions and answers can get accessed a long time
later so it is VERY important not to let people go away with the
impression that something that is actually very harmful 99% of the time
is actually a great idea. That>s also why I wanted to find out the full
story because I couldn>t believe that the bird recovered from a maggot
infestation that wasn>t brought to a halt! So thank you for the full
account of it, VERY interesting. Such lucky coincidences for that one
chick and for you, even if you did find the maggot-removal process
highly unattractive.

What a sweet dog! There again you get the ardent pro- and anti-dog
factions, and you>ll probably find yourself quoted out of context some
day to support someone>s argument that dogs NEVER hurt chickens :~\

Skunk, eh. I know very little about them apart from the obvious. That
methodical killing sounded similar to stoats: killing and dragging the
body(ies) away. Nasty creatures not content to kill one and eat it. I>m
so glad you gave the varmint a suitable dose of lead poisoning.

Have you been able to make the coop skunk-proof? I hope so, and wish
you all the best with your chickens from now on.

A L P


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