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Omelet · Guest

In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807221224040.11853@urchin.earth.li>,
Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote:

[quote]On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Taka wrote:

The newest muscle booster is called "HemodrauliX" utilizing PGE2 to
stimulate nitric oxide synthase while supplementing it with enough
substrate in the form of Arginine. [...] How in the heck to did you do
this? You might ask. The answer is the addition of a compound called
Arachidonic Acid (AA).

That>s in peanuts, right?

tom
[/quote]
Be careful with that. I recall some information on some other compound
in peanuts causing infertility in men.

Don>t ask me for a cite. This is a memory dredged up from many moons
ago...
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein

Taka · Guest

On Jul 22, 10:07 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 22, 8:25 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Taka wrote:
The newest muscle booster is called "HemodrauliX" utilizing PGE2 to
stimulate nitric oxide synthase while supplementing it with enough
substrate in the form of Arginine. [...] How in the heck to did you do
this? You might ask. The answer is the addition of a compound called
Arachidonic Acid (AA).

That>s in peanuts, right?

No, only its precursor linoleic acid. It is in relatively high
amounts in organ meat such as hearts and egg yolks. Also in recently
mentioned farmed salmon fed grains.

Taka
[/quote]
Don>t mistake arachidonic for arachidic, the latter is a saturated
fatty acid indeed found in peanut oil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachidic_acid

Taka

Tom Anderson · Guest

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, DZ wrote:

[quote]Taka <taka0038@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 22, 8:25 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Taka wrote:
The newest muscle booster is called "HemodrauliX" utilizing PGE2 to
stimulate nitric oxide synthase while supplementing it with enough
substrate in the form of Arginine. [...] How in the heck to did you do
this? You might ask. The answer is the addition of a compound called
Arachidonic Acid (AA).

That>s in peanuts, right?

No, only its precursor linoleic acid. It is in relatively high amounts
in organ meat such as hearts and egg yolks. Also in recently mentioned
farmed salmon fed grains.

No, Taka, you don>t understand.

Tom is one of our musclehead nerd scientists, a biochemist from
Oxford.

He refers to "Arachis hypogaea", which is geek talk for peanuts.
[/quote]
Huh. And there was me thinking it was that planet out of those Dune books.

[quote]Get it? Arachi-donic.
[/quote]
Actually, i kind of assumed because of the name that it really would be in
peanuts. After all, why would it get called arachidonic acid if it>s not
found in _Arachis_? Maybe it is there, but in small quantities. That>d be
typical biochemist naming, actually. I bet it was named by a German.

f ck, yes it was! Here>s what the OED says:

1913 J. LEWKOWITSCH Chem. Technol. of Oils I. iii. 211 Arachidonic Acid,
C20H32O2. The existence of an acid of this composition is inferred from
the formation of octo-bromo~arachidic acid... As Hartley has not named
this acid the author suggests the term arachidonic acid. 1924 L. G. WESSON
in Jrnl. Biol. Chem. LX. 183 Arachidonic acid, so named by Lewkowitsch, is
the tetra unsaturated, normal, aliphatic C20 acid, which is present in
brain tissue.

And who is this J. LEWKOWITSCH? Dr Julius Lewkowitsch, who is described by
some old edition of the Britannica thus:

LEWKOWITSCH, JULIUS (1857-1913), British chemist, was born at Ostrovo in
Prussian Silesia in 18J7. He graduated as doctor of philosophy at Breslau,
afterwards working in the Berlin agricultural high school and at
Heidelberg University. About 1888 he came to England and became a
naturalized British subject. He devoted much time to stereo-chemistry and
to developing the industrial technology of fats and oils, becoming the
first living authority in that branch of chemistry. He died at Chamonix
Sept. 18 1913

If you can get this, it>s an obit in some chemical journal with more
detail:

http://www.rsc.org/delivery/_ArticleLinking/DisplayArticleForFree.cfm?doi=AN9133800493&JournalCode=AN

tom

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DZ · Guest

Taka <taka0038@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 22, 10:07 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 22, 8:25 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Taka wrote:
The newest muscle booster is called "HemodrauliX" utilizing PGE2 to
stimulate nitric oxide synthase while supplementing it with enough
substrate in the form of Arginine. [...] How in the heck to did you do
this? You might ask. The answer is the addition of a compound called
Arachidonic Acid (AA).

That>s in peanuts, right?

No, only its precursor linoleic acid. It is in relatively high
amounts in organ meat such as hearts and egg yolks. Also in recently
mentioned farmed salmon fed grains.
Taka

Don>t mistake arachidonic for arachidic, the latter is a saturated
fatty acid indeed found in peanut oil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachidic_acid
[/quote]
Don>t mistake an Oxford biochemist for a Usenet blowhard who>s
permanently high on Mead acid.

Andrzej Rosa · Guest

DZ wrote:

[quote]Taka <taka0038@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 22, 8:25 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Taka wrote:
The newest muscle booster is called "HemodrauliX" utilizing PGE2 to
stimulate nitric oxide synthase while supplementing it with enough
substrate in the form of Arginine. [...] How in the heck to did you do
this? You might ask. The answer is the addition of a compound called
Arachidonic Acid (AA).

That>s in peanuts, right?

No, only its precursor linoleic acid. It is in relatively high
amounts in organ meat such as hearts and egg yolks. Also in recently
mentioned farmed salmon fed grains.
Taka

No, Taka, you don>t understand.

Tom is one of our musclehead nerd scientists, a biochemist from
Oxford.
[/quote]
It>s so fortunate that you have nothing to do with KGB. It would be such a
shame if your beloved shrimp fed cat got lost due to a security breach in
some totally unrelated but conveniently nearby secret army founded research
facility...

[quote]He refers to "Arachis hypogaea", which is geek talk for peanuts.
Get it? Arachi-donic.
[/quote]
Oh, we get it. Don>t we?

--
Andrzej Rosa

DZ · Guest

Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Taka wrote:
On Jul 22, 10:07 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 22, 8:25 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Taka wrote:
The newest muscle booster is called "HemodrauliX" utilizing PGE2 to
stimulate nitric oxide synthase while supplementing it with enough
substrate in the form of Arginine. [...] How in the heck to did you do
this? You might ask. The answer is the addition of a compound called
Arachidonic Acid (AA).

That>s in peanuts, right?

No, only its precursor linoleic acid. It is in relatively high
amounts in organ meat such as hearts and egg yolks. Also in recently
mentioned farmed salmon fed grains.

Don>t mistake arachidonic for arachidic, the latter is a saturated
fatty acid indeed found in peanut oil:

Aaah, that explains it. Cheers.
[/quote]
"In 1854 [Charles Anthony Goessmann] discovered in the oil of the
groundnut (Arachis hypogaea) a new acid ... to which
he gave the name arachic (or arachidic) acid."

http://books.google.com/books?id=RQNhArYZQMwC&pg=PA149&lpg=PA149&dq=arachidic+Goessmann+1854&source=web&ots=okQtA9tGLP&sig=XXGtE9FICYX9CZXxERu6MYyhqHg&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

So, arachidonic acid was discovered 55 years later.

Tom Anderson · Guest

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Taka wrote:

[quote]On Jul 22, 10:07 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 22, 8:25 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Taka wrote:
The newest muscle booster is called "HemodrauliX" utilizing PGE2 to
stimulate nitric oxide synthase while supplementing it with enough
substrate in the form of Arginine. [...] How in the heck to did you do
this? You might ask. The answer is the addition of a compound called
Arachidonic Acid (AA).

That>s in peanuts, right?

No, only its precursor linoleic acid. It is in relatively high
amounts in organ meat such as hearts and egg yolks. Also in recently
mentioned farmed salmon fed grains.

Don>t mistake arachidonic for arachidic, the latter is a saturated
fatty acid indeed found in peanut oil:
[/quote]
Aaah, that explains it. Cheers.

tom

--
We can only see a short distance ahead, but we can see plenty there that
needs to be done. -- Alan Turing

Tom Anderson · Guest

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, DZ wrote:

[quote]Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Taka wrote:
On Jul 22, 10:07 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 22, 8:25 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Taka wrote:
The newest muscle booster is called "HemodrauliX" utilizing PGE2 to
stimulate nitric oxide synthase while supplementing it with enough
substrate in the form of Arginine. [...] How in the heck to did you do
this? You might ask. The answer is the addition of a compound called
Arachidonic Acid (AA).

That>s in peanuts, right?

No, only its precursor linoleic acid. It is in relatively high
amounts in organ meat such as hearts and egg yolks. Also in recently
mentioned farmed salmon fed grains.

Don>t mistake arachidonic for arachidic, the latter is a saturated
fatty acid indeed found in peanut oil:

Aaah, that explains it. Cheers.

"In 1854 [Charles Anthony Goessmann]
[/quote]
Another German!

[quote]discovered in the oil of the groundnut (Arachis hypogaea) a new acid ...
to which he gave the name arachic (or arachidic) acid."

http://books.google.com/books?id=RQNhArYZQMwC&pg=PA149&lpg=PA149&dq=arachidic+Goessmann+1854&source=web&ots=okQtA9tGLP&sig=XXGtE9FICYX9CZXxERu6MYyhqHg&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

So, arachidonic acid was discovered 55 years later.
[/quote]
Fair enough. I guess you can>t read too much into a trivial name.

tom

--
We can only see a short distance ahead, but we can see plenty there that
needs to be done. -- Alan Turing

DZ · Guest

Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]DZ wrote:
No, Taka, you don>t understand.

Tom is one of our musclehead nerd scientists, a biochemist from
Oxford.

It>s so fortunate that you have nothing to do with KGB. It would be such a
shame if your beloved shrimp fed cat got lost due to a security breach in
some totally unrelated but conveniently nearby secret army founded research
facility...

He refers to "Arachis hypogaea", which is geek talk for peanuts.
Get it? Arachi-donic.

Oh, we get it. Don>t we?
[/quote]
Actually, Tom meant arachidic acid. It>s only if you>re from Oxford
that you can afford playing those "remind me what fats should I eat"
games, and then sit back and watch the fireworks.

Taka · Guest

On Jul 24, 2:15 am, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, DZ wrote:
Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Taka wrote:
On Jul 22, 10:07 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 22, 8:25 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Taka wrote:
The newest muscle booster is called "HemodrauliX" utilizing PGE2 to
stimulate nitric oxide synthase while supplementing it with enough
substrate in the form of Arginine. [...] How in the heck to did you do
this? You might ask. The answer is the addition of a compound called
Arachidonic Acid (AA).

That>s in peanuts, right?

No, only its precursor linoleic acid. It is in relatively high
amounts in organ meat such as hearts and egg yolks. Also in recently
mentioned farmed salmon fed grains.

Don>t mistake arachidonic for arachidic, the latter is a saturated
fatty acid indeed found in peanut oil:

Aaah, that explains it. Cheers.

"In 1854 [Charles Anthony Goessmann]

Another German!
[/quote]
Actually, all great discoveries come originally from German or Russian
heads. The others like Jewish and Japanese are just masters of
stealing this intellectual property and making lot of money with
it ...

Taka

[quote]discovered in the oil of the groundnut (Arachis hypogaea) a new acid ...
to which he gave the name arachic (or arachidic) acid."

http://books.google.com/books?id=RQNhArYZQMwC&pg=PA149&lpg=PA149&dq=a...

So, arachidonic acid was discovered 55 years later.

Fair enough. I guess you can>t read too much into a trivial name.

tom

--
We can only see a short distance ahead, but we can see plenty there that
needs to be done. -- Alan Turing[/quote]

Tom Anderson · Guest

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, DZ wrote:

[quote]Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
DZ wrote:
No, Taka, you don>t understand.

Tom is one of our musclehead nerd scientists, a biochemist from
Oxford. He refers to "Arachis hypogaea", which is geek talk for
peanuts. Get it? Arachi-donic.

Oh, we get it. Don>t we?

Actually, Tom meant arachidic acid. It>s only if you>re from Oxford that
you can afford playing those "remind me what fats should I eat" games,
and then sit back and watch the fireworks.
[/quote]
Man, i don>t get why some people are so excited by lipids. I don>t think i
ever managed to stay awake through a whole lecture on lipids. It>s even
more dull than sugar chemistry!

tom

--
Optical illusions are terrorism of the mind.

Andrzej Rosa · Guest

Tom Anderson wrote:

[quote]On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, DZ wrote:

Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
DZ wrote:
No, Taka, you don>t understand.

Tom is one of our musclehead nerd scientists, a biochemist from
Oxford. He refers to "Arachis hypogaea", which is geek talk for
peanuts. Get it? Arachi-donic.

Oh, we get it. Don>t we?

Actually, Tom meant arachidic acid. It>s only if you>re from Oxford that
you can afford playing those "remind me what fats should I eat" games,
and then sit back and watch the fireworks.

Man, i don>t get why some people are so excited by lipids.
[/quote]
Well, traditionally they are the main constituent of boobs. I still prefer
good old triglicerides to this newer silicones invention.

[quote]I don>t think i
ever managed to stay awake through a whole lecture on lipids. It>s even
more dull than sugar chemistry!
[/quote]
Though I happen to like a good whisky.

--
Andrzej Rosa

Tom Anderson · Guest

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Andrzej Rosa wrote:

[quote]Tom Anderson wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, DZ wrote:

Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
DZ wrote:
No, Taka, you don>t understand.

Tom is one of our musclehead nerd scientists, a biochemist from
Oxford. He refers to "Arachis hypogaea", which is geek talk for
peanuts. Get it? Arachi-donic.

Oh, we get it. Don>t we?

Actually, Tom meant arachidic acid. It>s only if you>re from Oxford that
you can afford playing those "remind me what fats should I eat" games,
and then sit back and watch the fireworks.

Man, i don>t get why some people are so excited by lipids.

Well, traditionally they are the main constituent of boobs.
[/quote]
TRUE.

[quote]I still prefer good old triglicerides to this newer silicones invention.
[/quote]
I haven>t had the opportunity to try silicone. I have to say, i>m pretty
happy with triglycerides!

tom

--
forget everything from school - you are programmer

Andrzej Rosa · Guest

Taka wrote:

[quote]On Jul 24, 2:15 am, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:

Another German!

Actually, all great discoveries come originally from German or Russian
heads.
[/quote]
Germans at that time stole *everything* from Brits. That>s why Tom is so
irked by them.

[quote]The others like Jewish
[/quote]
Jews have about one third of Nobel Awards. Not bad for a nation of the size
of a grown up city. They are freaking geniuses, I>m afraid.

[quote]and Japanese
[/quote]
A bit closer to reality, but they invented for example neutrinos.

[quote]are just masters of
stealing this intellectual property and making lot of money with
it ...
[/quote]
Tom>s not upset by the money Germans earned. Just that they didn>t invent
neither Chemistry, nor industry, nor economy, but somehow he had to learn
all those funny sounding names. Anyway, Russians stole _a lot_ from the
West. They used to send their spies (not like DZ, of course, he is simply
well informed) to industrial conventions and simply buy stuff on a mass
scale to be reverse engineered and copied. At least that is what Victor
Suvorov wrote in his autobiographic book. He was one of those spies.

[...]
--
Andrzej Rosa

Taka · Guest

On Jul 25, 2:32 am, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]Taka wrote:
On Jul 24, 2:15 am, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:

Another German!

Actually, all great discoveries come originally from German or Russian
heads.

Germans at that time stole *everything* from Brits. That>s why Tom is so
irked by them.
[/quote]
AFAIK biochemistry originated in Germany as did the rocket science
which has been transferred into the US space program after WWII.

[quote]The others like Jewish

Jews have about one third of Nobel Awards. Not bad for a nation of the size
of a grown up city. They are freaking geniuses, I>m afraid.
[/quote]
Those getting the awards are not always those who originally brought
the ideas. Just good at managing and using human resources (Ferengi
traders) ... perhaps being high on the arachidonic acid helps?

[quote]and Japanese

A bit closer to reality, but they invented for example neutrinos.
[/quote]
Usually done by Japanese in the US exile.

[quote]are just masters of
stealing this intellectual property and making lot of money with
it ...

Tom>s not upset by the money Germans earned. Just that they didn>t invent
neither Chemistry, nor industry, nor economy, but somehow he had to learn
all those funny sounding names. Anyway, Russians stole _a lot_ from the
West. They used to send their spies (not like DZ, of course, he is simply
well informed) to industrial conventions and simply buy stuff on a mass
scale to be reverse engineered and copied. At least that is what Victor
Suvorov wrote in his autobiographic book. He was one of those spies.
[/quote]
There are even better spies from Mossad. Can>t help but I see all
those American scientists doing some meaningful research being of the
Russian origin.

Taka


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