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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: McCain proposes $300 million prize ?? Can I trust him? |
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Spaceman wrote:
[quote]Spaceman wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
It>s really sad to see people who failed math so miserably that they
can>t fathom that pulling a hundred watts out of a solar cell array
isn>t going to provide 50HP (37,300 watts) of thrust to the wheels.
It won>t even provide 1/2 HP. Kind of difficult to reach 80mph with
less than a HP of power.
Dear AZ,
Do you truly think HP is what makes the total speed of
a vehicle?
I think you should re-think that "thought".
:)
Just in case you don>t wish to re-think such..
Here is a link with a "less than 1hp power source" known
as 1 human power doing over 70 mph.
http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/speedruns2000/worlds-fastest-bicycle-2000.htm
:)
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So How many "human power" equal 1 HP?
Can 2 humans truly stop a horse from moving by just holding it
back if it wants to move?
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Spaceman
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: McCain proposes $300 million prize ?? Can I trust him? |
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Don Lancaster wrote:
[quote]You are *never* going to reach 80mph with a half of a horsepower, no
matter
what you put in your pipe.
Actually, tire rolling resistance exceeds air resistance at low to
moderate speeds.
But either way, you can only get to 80 mph with half a horsepower in a
total vacuum.
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You are limiting HP to a direct connection to wheels also.
Time accumulation of 1/2 hp into a battery bank is not
allowed in your "mathematic only" world huh?
1/2 hp engine charging a battery bank for 1 Hr can run
what size Electric HP engine? |
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Laurence Sheldon
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: McCain proposes $300 million prize ?? Can I trust him? |
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AZ Nomad wrote:
[quote]It>s really sad to see people who failed math so miserably that they can>t
fathom that pulling a hundred watts out of a solar cell array isn>t going to
provide 50HP (37,300 watts) of thrust to the wheels. It won>t even provide
1/2 HP. Kind of difficult to reach 80mph with less than a HP of power.
[/quote]
Boyhowdy, are you ever out of touch.
People don>t "fail math" anymore. Most don>t take "math" anymore.
And "fail" is so 1960>s.
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Laurence Sheldon
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: McCain proposes $300 million prize ?? Can I trust him? |
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Spaceman wrote:
[quote]AZ Nomad wrote:
It>s really sad to see people who failed math so miserably that they
can>t fathom that pulling a hundred watts out of a solar cell array
isn>t going to provide 50HP (37,300 watts) of thrust to the wheels.
It won>t even provide 1/2 HP. Kind of difficult to reach 80mph with
less than a HP of power.
Dear AZ,
Do you truly think HP is what makes the total speed of
a vehicle?
I think you should re-think that "thought".
:)
[/quote]
I was trying to remember from the days of my mis-spent youth with
hotrods, and sprint cars and dragsters and such.
And it seems to me that HP was the name of the game--converted to Torque
to get off the line, straight through to the wheels for speed.
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Spaceman
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: McCain proposes $300 million prize ?? Can I trust him? |
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Laurence Sheldon wrote:
[quote]Spaceman wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
It>s really sad to see people who failed math so miserably that they
can>t fathom that pulling a hundred watts out of a solar cell array
isn>t going to provide 50HP (37,300 watts) of thrust to the wheels.
It won>t even provide 1/2 HP. Kind of difficult to reach 80mph with
less than a HP of power.
Dear AZ,
Do you truly think HP is what makes the total speed of
a vehicle?
I think you should re-think that "thought".
:)
I was trying to remember from the days of my mis-spent youth with
hotrods, and sprint cars and dragsters and such.
And it seems to me that HP was the name of the game--converted to
Torque to get off the line, straight through to the wheels for speed.
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Yes, for "quickest speed" you want HP.
But does a person have morethan 1/2 HP?
According to these people, a person can not move a bike
because of a resistance factor that supposedly take over 1/2 HP to
overcome.
:)
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Laurence Sheldon
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: McCain proposes $300 million prize ?? Can I trust him? |
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Laurence Sheldon wrote:
[quote]Spaceman wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
It>s really sad to see people who failed math so miserably that they
can>t fathom that pulling a hundred watts out of a solar cell array
isn>t going to provide 50HP (37,300 watts) of thrust to the wheels.
It won>t even provide 1/2 HP. Kind of difficult to reach 80mph with
less than a HP of power.
Dear AZ,
Do you truly think HP is what makes the total speed of
a vehicle?
I think you should re-think that "thought".
:)
I was trying to remember from the days of my mis-spent youth with
hotrods, and sprint cars and dragsters and such.
And it seems to me that HP was the name of the game--converted to Torque
to get off the line, straight through to the wheels for speed.
[/quote]
Digging around in the dark corners so more, I find a recall that the
magic number was stated as "Horse power to weight ratio" or some such.
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Spaceman
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: McCain proposes $300 million prize ?? Can I trust him? |
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Laurence Sheldon wrote:
[quote]Laurence Sheldon wrote:
Spaceman wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
It>s really sad to see people who failed math so miserably that
they can>t fathom that pulling a hundred watts out of a solar cell
array isn>t going to provide 50HP (37,300 watts) of thrust to the
wheels. It won>t even provide 1/2 HP. Kind of difficult to reach
80mph with less than a HP of power.
Dear AZ,
Do you truly think HP is what makes the total speed of
a vehicle?
I think you should re-think that "thought".
:)
I was trying to remember from the days of my mis-spent youth with
hotrods, and sprint cars and dragsters and such.
And it seems to me that HP was the name of the game--converted to
Torque to get off the line, straight through to the wheels for speed.
Digging around in the dark corners so more, I find a recall that the
magic number was stated as "Horse power to weight ratio" or some such.
[/quote]
Correct.
But still that has problems when combined with "storing" the energy.
:)
If you store the HP created into a re-usable form of energy,
You can surely get more than 1/2 hp out of the original 1/2 hp
put in, it will just drain out faster than it took to create it.
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Laurence Sheldon
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Spaceman wrote:
[quote]If you store the HP created into a re-usable form of energy,
You can surely get more than 1/2 hp out of the original 1/2 hp
put in, it will just drain out faster than it took to create it.
[/quote]
I>m sorry. I took math, but didn>t do well.
You put 1/2 HP in. Then you take more than 1/2 HP out.
OK. Got it.
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AZ Nomad
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: McCain proposes $300 million prize ?? Can I trust him? |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:50:59 -0500, Laurence Sheldon <lfsheldon@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Spaceman wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
It>s really sad to see people who failed math so miserably that they
can>t fathom that pulling a hundred watts out of a solar cell array
isn>t going to provide 50HP (37,300 watts) of thrust to the wheels.
It won>t even provide 1/2 HP. Kind of difficult to reach 80mph with
less than a HP of power.
Dear AZ,
Do you truly think HP is what makes the total speed of
a vehicle?
I think you should re-think that "thought".
:)
[/quote]
[quote]I was trying to remember from the days of my mis-spent youth with
hotrods, and sprint cars and dragsters and such.
[/quote]
50 HP isn>t a dragster, no matter what you put in your pipe. |
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AZ Nomad
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: McCain proposes $300 million prize ?? Can I trust him? |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:13:28 -0500, Laurence Sheldon <lfsheldon@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Spaceman wrote:
If you store the HP created into a re-usable form of energy,
You can surely get more than 1/2 hp out of the original 1/2 hp
put in, it will just drain out faster than it took to create it.
I>m sorry. I took math, but didn>t do well.
You put 1/2 HP in. Then you take more than 1/2 HP out.
OK. Got it.
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Put 1/2HP in, get 50HP out. Simply amazing.
I>m not one of those people whilling to have a car sit around charging
for three months just for a single trip to the store. |
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r wiley
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: McCain proposes $300 million prize ?? Can I trust him? |
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"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message news:slrng7v96l.3n5.aznomad.3@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
[quote]On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:13:28 -0500, Laurence Sheldon <lfsheldon@gmail.com> wrote:
Spaceman wrote:
If you store the HP created into a re-usable form of energy,
You can surely get more than 1/2 hp out of the original 1/2 hp
put in, it will just drain out faster than it took to create it.
I>m sorry. I took math, but didn>t do well.
You put 1/2 HP in. Then you take more than 1/2 HP out.
OK. Got it.
Put 1/2HP in, get 50HP out. Simply amazing.
I>m not one of those people whilling to have a car sit around charging
for three months just for a single trip to the store.
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Put 1/2 HP in for 50 hours. Take 50 HP out for 20 minutes.
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Laurence Sheldon
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: McCain proposes $300 million prize ?? Can I trust him? |
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AZ Nomad wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:50:59 -0500, Laurence Sheldon <lfsheldon@gmail.com> wrote:
Spaceman wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
It>s really sad to see people who failed math so miserably that they
can>t fathom that pulling a hundred watts out of a solar cell array
isn>t going to provide 50HP (37,300 watts) of thrust to the wheels.
It won>t even provide 1/2 HP. Kind of difficult to reach 80mph with
less than a HP of power.
Dear AZ,
Do you truly think HP is what makes the total speed of
a vehicle?
I think you should re-think that "thought".
:)
I was trying to remember from the days of my mis-spent youth with
hotrods, and sprint cars and dragsters and such.
50 HP isn>t a dragster, no matter what you put in your pipe.
[/quote]
Where exactly did I say it was?
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zzbunker@netscape.net
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:50 am Post subject: Re: McCain proposes $300 million prize ?? Can I trust him? |
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On Jul 17, 11:19 am, Don Lancaster <d...@tinaja.com> wrote:
[quote]AZ Nomad wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:39:19 -0400, marika <marika5...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Wayne H. Wilhelm" <dwa...@hiddenpolitics.com> wrote in message
news:1215815897_454087@pro-front01.com...
I maintain I can develop an electric motor that will run off solar cells
and drive a car to speeds of 80 mph if I can get the backing.
The on board solar cells MAY give you enough energy to adjust your power
mirrors if you do not adjust them too often. But not nearly enough to
ever pay for the cells.
Meanwhile, your new air conditioning load totally overwhelms any pv
energy gain from sitting in the sun.
To date, NOT ONE NET WATTHOUR of pv solar energy has EVER been produced.
[/quote]
Well, PV Cells weren>t invented for morons like GM Though.
That>s why we put them in calculators, satellites, dashboards,
lasers, robots, and USB, rather than imbelices like AT&T
Headquarters,
[quote]
Fully burden amortized breakeven is probably at least a decade away.
And breakeven, of course, is totally useless.
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/morenrgf.pdfhttp://www.tinaja.com/glib/energfun.pdf
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Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
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Please visit my GURU>s LAIR web site athttp://www.tinaja.com[/quote] |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:17 am Post subject: Re: McCain proposes $300 million prize ?? Can I trust him? |
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r wiley wrote:
[quote]"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message news:slrng7v96l.3n5.aznomad.3@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:13:28 -0500, Laurence Sheldon <lfsheldon@gmail.com> wrote:
Spaceman wrote:
If you store the HP created into a re-usable form of energy,
You can surely get more than 1/2 hp out of the original 1/2 hp
put in, it will just drain out faster than it took to create it.
I>m sorry. I took math, but didn>t do well.
You put 1/2 HP in. Then you take more than 1/2 HP out.
OK. Got it.
Put 1/2HP in, get 50HP out. Simply amazing.
I>m not one of those people whilling to have a car sit around charging
for three months just for a single trip to the store.
Put 1/2 HP in for 50 hours. Take 50 HP out for 20 minutes.
rw
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Extremely unlikely.
Even BEFORE amortization.
More like 50 HP out for 4 minutes before amortization.
Or minus three hours after.
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/morenrgf.pdf
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AZ Nomad
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:53 am Post subject: Re: McCain proposes $300 million prize ?? Can I trust him? |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:17:17 -0700, Don Lancaster <don@tinaja.com> wrote:
[quote]r wiley wrote:
"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message news:slrng7v96l.3n5.aznomad.3@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:13:28 -0500, Laurence Sheldon <lfsheldon@gmail.com> wrote:
Spaceman wrote:
If you store the HP created into a re-usable form of energy,
You can surely get more than 1/2 hp out of the original 1/2 hp
put in, it will just drain out faster than it took to create it.
I>m sorry. I took math, but didn>t do well.
You put 1/2 HP in. Then you take more than 1/2 HP out.
OK. Got it.
Put 1/2HP in, get 50HP out. Simply amazing.
I>m not one of those people whilling to have a car sit around charging
for three months just for a single trip to the store.
Put 1/2 HP in for 50 hours. Take 50 HP out for 20 minutes.
rw
Extremely unlikely.
Even BEFORE amortization.
More like 50 HP out for 4 minutes before amortization.
Or minus three hours after.
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You don>t think paying $50,000 for a car that can only go a mile every
week is a good deal? |
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