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Peter T. Daniels · Guest

In London, Oct 31 - Nov 1.

http://www.minervamagazine.com/images/phaistos.pdf

K. Jennings · Guest

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:53:25 -0700, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

[quote]In London, Oct 31 - Nov 1.

http://www.minervamagazine.com/images/phaistos.pdf
[/quote]
Does this mean that the scientific community on the whole does
not accept Steven Fischer>s decoding?

Peter T. Daniels · Guest

On Jul 7, 5:32 pm, "K. Jennings" <kjenni...@resurgence.net> wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:53:25 -0700, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
In London, Oct 31 - Nov 1.

http://www.minervamagazine.com/images/phaistos.pdf

Does this mean that the scientific community on the whole does
not accept Steven Fischer>s decoding?
[/quote]
"The scientific community on the whole" agrees that no "decoding" is
possible.

Fischer>s is no more or less ridiculous than any other that has been
proposed, including the two that are regularly touted here.

BTW I have seen _almost_ no new postings to any newsgroup since
shortly after 2 pm yesterday (Monday) EDT.

Franz Gnaedinger · Guest

On Jul 7, 9:53 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]In London, Oct 31 - Nov 1.

http://www.minervamagazine.com/images/phaistos.pdf
[/quote]
Thanks for the information. I just sent this e-mail
to the Minerva magazine:

Ladies and Gentlemen,
having read your announcement I like to make a short
statement. I believe in the translation of the pair of disks
by Derk Ohlenroth of Tübingen, while I don>t agree on his
historical interpretation and rather speak of a Tiryns disk
and an Elaia disk, gold disks worn on the shoulders by
Eponymous Tiryns and his successors. The Tiryns disk
would represent Tiryns, the rosette in the center the
former Circular Building - at the base a big rosette of
blocks are still extant -, in the building a Zeus shrine.
The rosette of 8 petals is at the same time the emphatic
Ss of Ss-Ey-R Sseyr (Middle Helladic) Sseus (Doric) Zeus
(Greek), a solar symbol, and a lunisolar calendar, variation
of a very ancient calendar of Göbekli Tepe. A year of
Göbekli Tepe had 12 months of 30 days, plus 5 and
occasionally 6 days, while 63 continuous periods of 30
days yield 1,890 days and correspond to 64 lunations.
Variation on the Tiryns disk: a year has eight periods of
45 days, plus 5 and occasionally 6 days, while 21 periods
of 45 days yield 945 days and correspond to 32 lunations.
The Lycaian Sseyr or Zeus mentioned in the spiral text
has been confirmed recently: there is a pre-Greek altar
on top of Mount Lycaion, found together with a crystal seal.
The banning formula along the margin is an equivalent of
the wall around Tiryns, enforced by the four curses cast
on intruders. Eponymous Tiryns would have been a ruler
of Tiryns who came from Arcadia, introduced the olive tree
earlier than hitherto assumed, and thus overcame a famine.
He was the lion-wolf-dog-bee-king --- strong, vigilant, and
industrious. He was honored as King Laertes in Homer.
Have a look at the many soldiers on the Tiryns disk:
they guard the wall and the entrance. Their distribution
can be seen as the Argos Eye: a dot in the center for
the king, dots (often six dots) along the margin, a sign
found on the front and cheeks of an attentively watching
plaster head from Mykenae. This just a brief introduction
into my view of the disk, which would be a clay model
after the hypothetical gold disks that are still waiting
to be excavated, perhaps in downton Tiryns, or in the
not yet dug up lower parts of the limestone hill?
I won>t be able to participate in your conference,
out of financial reasons merely, but if one or the other
scholar should be interested in my work, he or she
may contact me via e-mail.

Sincerely, Franz Gnaedinger, Zurich, Switzerland

grapheus@www.com · Guest

On Jul 7, 11:32 pm, "K. Jennings" <kjenni...@resurgence.net> wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:53:25 -0700, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
In London, Oct 31 - Nov 1.

http://www.minervamagazine.com/images/phaistos.pdf

Does this mean that the scientific community on the whole does
not accept Steven Fischer>s decoding?
[/quote]
Of course !.. Fischer>s decoding has been supported only by the
Redactor in Chief of the "National Geography" journal.
But the aim of this Conference, organized by Jerome M. Eisenberg, the
Director of the "Minerva" Journal is to conclude that the Phaistos
Disk would be a FAKE !!!! With the following reasoning : "there have
been more than 60 "decipherments" of it. None has convinced "the
scientific Communauty"... Therefore..."
In fact, the Phaistos Disk has been SUCCUSFULLY deciphered by a French
(non-Universitarian) mathematician and linguist, Jean Faucounau. But,
in spite of the fact that this one (now a very old man) has published
four books on the subject, showing in particular that ALL the
CONSEQUENCES of his decipherment were VERIFIED by FACTS, his books
have never been traslated in English, so nobody knows them... On the
NET, I>ve been the one one to mention them (what has given me the
reputation of being a kook!.. So goes Science today...)

Best regards
grapheus

John Swindle · Guest

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:53:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:

[quote]In London, Oct 31 - Nov 1.

http://www.minervamagazine.com/images/phaistos.pdf
[/quote]
Those who plan to attend from North America may want to be ready for
questions on the Festus Disc Golf team, the Festus disc golf tourney,
and Festus disc jockeys, all of Festus, Missouri, USA.

Golf team
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM1VAY

Golf tourney (video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agEawHevBkc

Disc jockey (lists places that have disc jockeys, including Festus)
http://www.mypartyplanner.com/search/Missouri_vendors/Disc_Jockey.html

Franz Gnaedinger · Guest

On Jul 8, 1:11 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]
"The scientific community on the whole" agrees that no "decoding" is
possible.
[/quote]
Progress in our understanding doesn>t come from
the scientific community as a whole but from single
gifted people, and if they are ignored - you for
example are judging the book by Derk Ohlenroth
without having much as laid eyes on it - the progress
of the scientific community as a whole is being hold up.

[quote]BTW I have seen _almost_ no new postings to any newsgroup since
shortly after 2 pm yesterday (Monday) EDT.
[/quote]
Google may finally have realized what I told them
years ago: publishing a message immediately
lturns a group into a chatroom. For the time being
a message seems to get published only on the
next day. Deja published them hours or a day
later.

Guest

On Jul 8, 12:32 am, "K. Jennings" <kjenni...@resurgence.net> wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:53:25 -0700, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
In London, Oct 31 - Nov 1.

http://www.minervamagazine.com/images/phaistos.pdf

Does this mean that the scientific community on the whole does
not accept Steven Fischer>s decoding?
[/quote]
You bet. The prevailing attitude seems to be, rhat that ridiculous
thing is a fake.

Guest

On Jul 8, 3:27 pm, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 7, 9:53 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:

In London, Oct 31 - Nov 1.

http://www.minervamagazine.com/images/phaistos.pdf

Thanks for the information. I just sent this e-mail
to the Minerva magazine:
[/quote]
Who do you think will be interested?

Guest

On Jul 9, 9:41 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 8, 1:11 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:

"The scientific community on the whole" agrees that no "decoding" is
possible.

Progress in our understanding
[/quote]
Pluralis maiestatis?

[quote]doesn>t come from
the scientific community as a whole but from single
gifted people,
[/quote]
Wrong.

[quote]and if they are ignored -
[/quote]
Really gifted people will not be ignored. Einstein worked in a patent
applications office, and had little contact with scientific community,
when he published his theory of relativity. However, he knew how to do
science, as he had studied it in the university. So, his theory was
not ignored, although he wasn>t a university big shot.

If you have something worthwhile to say, you will be listened to by
the scientific community.

[quote]BTW I have seen _almost_ no new postings to any newsgroup since
shortly after 2 pm yesterday (Monday) EDT.

Google may finally have realized what I told them
years ago:
[/quote]
You really think the world of yourself, don>t you, Franz?

Peter T. Daniels · Guest

On Jul 9, 4:41 am, Craoibhi...@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]On Jul 8, 12:32 am, "K. Jennings" <kjenni...@resurgence.net> wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:53:25 -0700, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
In London, Oct 31 - Nov 1.

http://www.minervamagazine.com/images/phaistos.pdf

Does this mean that the scientific community on the whole does
not accept Steven Fischer>s decoding?

You bet. The prevailing attitude seems to be, rhat that ridiculous
thing is a fake.
[/quote]
I>ve never encountered such a claim. Was it not excavated?

Guest

On Jul 9, 9:13 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 9, 4:41 am, Craoibhi...@gmail.com wrote:

On Jul 8, 12:32 am, "K. Jennings" <kjenni...@resurgence.net> wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:53:25 -0700, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
In London, Oct 31 - Nov 1.

http://www.minervamagazine.com/images/phaistos.pdf

Does this mean that the scientific community on the whole does
not accept Steven Fischer>s decoding?

You bet. The prevailing attitude seems to be, rhat that ridiculous
thing is a fake.

I>ve never encountered such a claim. Was it not excavated?
[/quote]
The last time I heard any news about it, the news was that it was
indeed a clever forgery, on a par with those chrystal skulls.

As regards excavation, I seem to recall it was purportedly found in
the remains of a temple or something, - basically the remains of a
building which could have been tampered with, after they had been
excavated but before the object was found.

Personally, I would be delighted to hear the confounded old platter
was a fake after all. At least it would shut up all those cranks.

Peter T. Daniels · Guest

On Jul 9, 11:38 am, Harlan Messinger
<hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
[quote]Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
On Jul 8, 1:11 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
"The scientific community on the whole" agrees that no "decoding" is
possible.

Progress in our understanding doesn>t come from
the scientific community as a whole but from single
gifted people, and if they are ignored - you for
example are judging the book by Derk Ohlenroth
without having much as laid eyes on it - the progress
of the scientific community as a whole is being hold up.

BTW I have seen _almost_ no new postings to any newsgroup since
shortly after 2 pm yesterday (Monday) EDT.

Google may finally have realized what I told them
years ago: publishing a message immediately
lturns a group into a chatroom. For the time being
a message seems to get published only on the
next day. Deja published them hours or a day
later.

As usual, you confuse Google>s web-based *interface* for Usenet with
Usenet itself. It has always been normal for postings to appear
immediately. (Why in the world shouldn>t they?) It was Deja and then
Google that weren>t able to keep up with what everyone with direct
Usenet access had been seeing all along.-
[/quote]
What>s "direct Usenet access"?

Peter T. Daniels · Guest

On Jul 9, 2:42 pm, Craoibhi...@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]On Jul 9, 9:13 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:

On Jul 9, 4:41 am, Craoibhi...@gmail.com wrote:

On Jul 8, 12:32 am, "K. Jennings" <kjenni...@resurgence.net> wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:53:25 -0700, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
In London, Oct 31 - Nov 1.

http://www.minervamagazine.com/images/phaistos.pdf

Does this mean that the scientific community on the whole does
not accept Steven Fischer>s decoding?

You bet. The prevailing attitude seems to be, rhat that ridiculous
thing is a fake.

I>ve never encountered such a claim. Was it not excavated?

The last time I heard any news about it, the news was that it was
indeed a clever forgery, on a par with those chrystal skulls.
[/quote]
What "chrystal [crystal?] skulls"?

When and where did you hear such news?

[quote]As regards excavation, I seem to recall it was purportedly found in
the remains of a temple or something, - basically the remains of a
building which could have been tampered with, after they had been
excavated but before the object was found.

Personally, I would be delighted to hear the confounded old platter
was a fake after all. At least it would shut up all those cranks.-
[/quote]
Just like the Voynich Manuscript cranks?

Harlan Messinger · Guest

Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
[quote]On Jul 8, 1:11 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
"The scientific community on the whole" agrees that no "decoding" is
possible.

Progress in our understanding doesn>t come from
the scientific community as a whole but from single
gifted people, and if they are ignored - you for
example are judging the book by Derk Ohlenroth
without having much as laid eyes on it - the progress
of the scientific community as a whole is being hold up.

BTW I have seen _almost_ no new postings to any newsgroup since
shortly after 2 pm yesterday (Monday) EDT.

Google may finally have realized what I told them
years ago: publishing a message immediately
lturns a group into a chatroom. For the time being
a message seems to get published only on the
next day. Deja published them hours or a day
later.
[/quote]
As usual, you confuse Google>s web-based *interface* for Usenet with
Usenet itself. It has always been normal for postings to appear
immediately. (Why in the world shouldn>t they?) It was Deja and then
Google that weren>t able to keep up with what everyone with direct
Usenet access had been seeing all along.


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