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Ekkehard Dengler · Guest

Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
[quote]On Jul 10, 5:51 pm, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
On Jul 10, 9:37 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:

On Jul 9, 5:38 pm, Harlan Messinger

hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:

As usual, you confuse Google>s web-based *interface* for Usenet
with Usenet itself. It has always been normal for postings to
appear immediately. (Why in the world shouldn>t they?) It was Deja
and then Google that weren>t able to keep up with what everyone
with direct Usenet access had been seeing all along.

How many active members of sci.lang post via Google?
and what is the ratio to the number of¨ the others? Even
our Peter T. Daniels is using Google.

As for the disk. The bronze double axe from the cult
cave near Akolokhori has three signs in common,
the male profile (soldier), the Y sign, and the shrub,
furthermore the thorn. Derk Ohlenroth also deciphered
this inscription: I belong to the goddess Lousia.
Lousia is the angry goddess, Cretan equivalent of
Black Demeter Melaina occuring on the Elaia disk
baked together with the Tiryns disk. Now I wait for
Eisenberg to prove that also the bronze axe is
a fake. And the sign of the young tree occurs also
on the gold signet ring from Tiryns, depicting
Eponymous Tiryns and his successors:
www.seshat.ch/home/ring.gif The trees between
the lion-wolf-dog-bee kings are exactly the same
as on the disk, and they have the same height,
the ring being just five centimeters across (length),
an incredibly fine piece, and of curse another fake.
Hello, Mr. Eisenberg, a lot of work for you.

Sorry for the typo, it must read biassed, the hunamities
are biassed (my apology goes to crybaby and his killraters)

Sorry again, I replied to the wrong message, I meant
my comment for the other message wherein I said
the humanities are biased, it must be biassed.
[/quote]
No, "biased" is correct.

Regards,
Ekkehard

Adam Funk · Guest

On 2008-07-09, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

[about the Phaistos Disk]
[quote]The last time I heard any news about it, the news was that it was
indeed a clever forgery, on a par with those chrystal skulls.

What "chrystal [crystal?] skulls"?

When and where did you hear such news?
[/quote]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080709/sc_afp/sciencearchaeologyentertainmentfilmskull_080709002041
or
http://tinyurl.com/5frvpb

How about this for the next instalment of the Indy franchise:
"Indiana Jones and the Dodgy Antiques Dealer"?

The scientific paper is "in press" in the Journal of Archaeological
Science.

In summary, scientists from the British Museum and the Smithsonian
Institution have concluded that the one in the Smithsonian was made in
the 20th century (it has a trace of silicon carbide!), and the one in
the British Museum was made in the late 19th century.

Nonetheless, I>d like to see the new Indiana Jones film at some point.
;-)

[quote]Personally, I would be delighted to hear the confounded old platter
was a fake after all. At least it would shut up all those cranks.-

Just like the Voynich Manuscript cranks?
[/quote]
Hoaxes can still be quite interesting.

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Harlan Messinger · Guest

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
[quote]On Jul 9, 2:42 pm, Craoibhi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 9, 9:13 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:

On Jul 9, 4:41 am, Craoibhi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 8, 12:32 am, "K. Jennings" <kjenni...@resurgence.net> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:53:25 -0700, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
In London, Oct 31 - Nov 1.
http://www.minervamagazine.com/images/phaistos.pdf
Does this mean that the scientific community on the whole does
not accept Steven Fischer>s decoding?
You bet. The prevailing attitude seems to be, rhat that ridiculous
thing is a fake.
I>ve never encountered such a claim. Was it not excavated?
The last time I heard any news about it, the news was that it was
indeed a clever forgery, on a par with those chrystal skulls.

What "chrystal [crystal?] skulls"?
[/quote]
The ones covered by an exhibit opening today at the Smithsonian>s
National Museum of Natural History, reported in today>s Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/09/AR2008070902269.html

Franz Gnaedinger · Guest

On Jul 10, 7:14 pm, "Ekkehard Dengler" <ED...@t-online.de> wrote:
[quote]
No, "biased" is correct.
[/quote]
When Panu Petteri Höglund alias craoibhi and his
fellow killraters are concerned, it is absolutely biassed.

We know little about the Argolis in the Middle Helladic
period of time. Our historical and archaeological records
are consisting of fragments. But we can hope to shed
light on that crucial period in the making of Greece
by joining the fragments in the right way. I for one link
the disks as translated by Derk Ohlenroth with the gold
signet ring from a cache of Tiryns and Lord Laertes
the gardener in Homer>s Odyssey. Laertes planted the
olive tree around whose stump Odysseus and Penelope
built their immovable bed, symbol of the eternal Greek
civilization. A schematic olive tree is shown on the
disks, namely Evans 13 on the Elaia disk and on the
Tiryns disk, a vertical twig growing out of an olive,
about six and six dots for leaves on the sides of the twig,
about six dots before the twig (and six invisible ones
behind). The same sign appears on the gold ring from
Tiryns, a vertical twig growing out from an olive. You
can see it three times, between the lion-wolf-dog-bee
kings honoring Elaia-Demeter on the left side (behind
her the eagle of Sseyr Zeus): www.seshat.ch/home/ring.gif
The signs on the ring have practically the same length or
height as on the disk, but they are finer, we count fourteen
and fourteen leaves on the sides of the first twig (none
in front, though), one leave being about one millimeter
long. The Elaia disk mentions and represents Elaia>s
grove at Phigalia. Elaia means olive. It is my opinion
that a young man from Arcadia under Mount Lycaion
was appointed king of Tiryns, introduced the olive in
the Argolis, with the help of the priestesses of Elaia>s
grove in Phigalia, and probably also with support from
Crete, averted a famine, and thus was honored with
a pair of gold disks he wore on his shoulders, and then
his successors wore them on their shoulders, as on
the ring. Have a good look at the spiral of the first king
in line. It is only two millimeters across, here enlarged
to about ten cm: www.seshat.ch/home/ring3.JPG
Now imagine the glory of the hypothetical gold disks,
worked in the same technique as the ring from Tiryns,
signs elevated, much finer than the ones imprinted
in the clay disks, and to think that the gold disks may
still be there, somewhere in a part of ancient Tiryns
that has not yet been excavated ...

Ekkehard Dengler: why don>t you read the book
"Das Abaton des Lykäischen Zeus und der Hain
der Elaia" by Derk Ohlenroth ?

Paul J Kriha · Guest

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
[quote]On Jul 10, 3:05 am, "Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@paradise.net.nz
wrote:
Peter T. Daniels wrote:
On Jul 9, 11:38 am, Harlan Messinger
hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
On Jul 8, 1:11 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
"The scientific community on the whole" agrees that no "decoding" is
possible.

Progress in our understanding doesn>t come from
the scientific community as a whole but from single
gifted people, and if they are ignored - you for
example are judging the book by Derk Ohlenroth
without having much as laid eyes on it - the progress
of the scientific community as a whole is being hold up.

BTW I have seen _almost_ no new postings to any newsgroup since
shortly after 2 pm yesterday (Monday) EDT.

Google may finally have realized what I told them
years ago: publishing a message immediately
lturns a group into a chatroom. For the time being
a message seems to get published only on the
next day. Deja published them hours or a day
later.

As usual, you confuse Google>s web-based *interface* for Usenet with
Usenet itself. It has always been normal for postings to appear
immediately. (Why in the world shouldn>t they?) It was Deja and then
Google that weren>t able to keep up with what everyone with direct
Usenet access had been seeing all along.-

What>s "direct Usenet access"?

If your ISP (Internet Services Provider) offers NNTP service

How would I know whether it does so? When I switched to DSL two years
ago, I asked the servicepeople about accessing newsgroups and they had
no idea what I was talking about. (yahoo thinks that yahoo groups are
all one needs.)
[/quote]
Caveat emptor!

There are literally hundreds to thousands of various socket/port
sniff and test programs available to run in various OS environments.
(Many downloadable from the web for free.)

You could ping the various ports to see if they answer or you could
simply try to startup a news reader and have it talk to the relevant
port numbers. If the ports answer then you might want to investigate
what newsgroups your provider carries if any. Newsreaders are
usually able to request a complete list of available newsgroups.
It>s not a complicated stuff but you>d get it done quicker if you
managed to solicit help from a friendly teenage computer geek.

These days there>s great reluctance amongst some ISPs to
carry Usenet. It>s quite possible that your ISP doesn>t carry
direct access to Usenet database at all.

There are many thousands of different Usenet newsgroups in
existence people might want to read. Some ISPs are reluctant
to maintain several days/weeks/months worth of contributions
on their databases. When they do provide the service it>s
traditionally provided for free, that is, for no extra charge.
Now that there are several alternate ways of getting at the
Usenet traffic, however slow, degraded and ergonomically
unfriendly they are, they feel freer not to carry the direct Usenet
service at all.

pjk

[quote](typically via port number 119, or with SSL secure protocol typically
port 563) you may run Usenet agent such as Outlook Express on
your computer to read the Usenet news items as soon as they arrive
in your ISP>s database. Your own contributions are immediatelly
accessible on your ISP>s database from where they get distributed
at various speeds all around the Usenet databases throughout the
world. The delays are typically seconds, minutes, tens of minutes,
and only occasionally hours.

The speed depends on the geographical location of you and of
the recipient as well as the momentary properties of the highspeed
highways where the files hop from one node to another.
The geographical distances are often irrelevant, important are
the actual pathways which the items have to traverse to get
from the sender>s ISP to the recipient>s ISP.

In case you are interested, the actual path taken is recorded
and can be seen in the header of each Usenet news item as
they arrive at your pc.[/quote]

Guest

On Jul 10, 6:57 pm, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 10, 9:18 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:

On Jul 8, 2:27 pm, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:

On Jul 7, 9:53 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:

In London, Oct 31 - Nov 1.

http://www.minervamagazine.com/images/phaistos.pdf

Thanks for the information. I just sent this e-mail
to the Minerva magazine:

Ladies and Gentlemen,
having read your announcement I like to make a short
statement. I believe in the translation of the pair of disks
by Derk Ohlenroth of Tübingen, while I don>t agree on his
historical interpretation and rather speak of a Tiryns disk
and an Elaia disk, gold disks worn on the shoulders by
Eponymous Tiryns and his successors. The Tiryns disk
would represent Tiryns, the rosette in the center the
former Circular Building - at the base a big rosette of
blocks are still extant -, in the building a Zeus shrine.
The rosette of 8 petals is at the same time the emphatic
Ss of Ss-Ey-R Sseyr (Middle Helladic) Sseus (Doric) Zeus
(Greek), a solar symbol, and a lunisolar calendar, variation
of a very ancient calendar of Göbekli Tepe. A year of
Göbekli Tepe had 12 months of 30 days, plus 5 and
occasionally 6 days, while 63 continuous periods of 30
days yield 1,890 days and correspond to 64 lunations.
Variation on the Tiryns disk: a year has eight periods of
45 days, plus 5 and occasionally 6 days, while 21 periods
of 45 days yield 945 days and correspond to 32 lunations.
The Lycaian Sseyr or Zeus mentioned in the spiral text
has been confirmed recently: there is a pre-Greek altar
on top of Mount Lycaion, found together with a crystal seal.
The banning formula along the margin is an equivalent of
the wall around Tiryns, enforced by the four curses cast
on intruders. Eponymous Tiryns would have been a ruler
of Tiryns who came from Arcadia, introduced the olive tree
earlier than hitherto assumed, and thus overcame a famine.
He was the lion-wolf-dog-bee-king --- strong, vigilant, and
industrious. He was honored as King Laertes in Homer.
Have a look at the many soldiers on the Tiryns disk:
they guard the wall and the entrance. Their distribution
can be seen as the Argos Eye: a dot in the center for
the king, dots (often six dots) along the margin, a sign
found on the front and cheeks of an attentively watching
plaster head from Mykenae. This just a brief introduction
into my view of the disk, which would be a clay model
after the hypothetical gold disks that are still waiting
to be excavated, perhaps in downton Tiryns, or in the
not yet dug up lower parts of the limestone hill?
I won>t be able to participate in your conference,
out of financial reasons merely, but if one or the other
scholar should be interested in my work, he or she
may contact me via e-mail.

Sincerely, Franz Gnaedinger, Zurich, Switzerland

Of course I got no reply from Minerva. Eisenberg,
a dealer of antiquities, editor-in-chief of Minerva,
published his article on the disk being a fake in
Minerva, now he organizes the conference on the
disk, and of course he favors people who support
his view. But we know that the humanities are
heavily biased. Some people can publish every
nonsense, others not even their best insights.
On the same day I read about the disk being
a fake I read in a newspaper that Jim Morrison
may have faked his own death. On the same day
I lost an archaeological object and won back
the singer of the Doors. Now if somebody undertook
the labor of proving Göbekli Tepe another hoax
we might hope of getting back Elvis ...

My apologies for the typo, it must read biassed,
the humanities are biassed (thinking of the killrating
mob of sci.lang led by Panu Petteri Höglund alias
craoibhi or so)
[/quote]
Actually. I didn>t killrate you this time - it is somebody else. I
have no behind-the-scenes communication with killraters so there is no
cabal or conspiracy - the stark fact is that people find your writings
stupid and killrateable by their own, not due to any sort of mob
mentality.

Odysseus · Guest

In article
<6d616727-79ea-4a56-b9de-7d8818eb5d87@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:

[quote]On Jul 10, 3:05 am, "Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@paradise.net.nz
wrote:
[/quote]
<snip>

[quote]If your ISP (Internet Services Provider) offers NNTP service

How would I know whether it does so? When I switched to DSL two years
ago, I asked the servicepeople about accessing newsgroups and they had
no idea what I was talking about. (yahoo thinks that yahoo groups are
all one needs.)
[/quote]
Who>s your ISP? -- someone else here may have an account with them or
know about their services. Did you get any kind of manual or reference
card with connection instructions and whatnot when you signed up?
That>ll usually provide a URL for the news server, somewhere near the
e-mail configuration instructions.

You could try directing a news client (many e-mail programs have at
least the basic functions, so you may already have one installed without
knowing it) to a URL based on the ones you>ve been given for e-mail, and
see if it can log on. For example if the e-mail servers are
<mail.yourisp.com> and <smtp.yourisp.com>, try entering
<news.yourisp.com> in the appropriate setup dialog. If asked for
authentication, try the user-name and password you have for your e-mail
account.

Note that some ISPs have recently withdrawn NNTP services; mine, Telus,
dropped only the "binary" newsgroups, in April, but I gather at least
one major American service has abandoned Usenet altogether within the
past few weeks. If you can>t get on through your own ISP, there are a
number of alternatives out there, a few of them free -- especially if
all you want access to is discussion groups like this one, i.e. with
minimal to no downloading of image files and the like.

--
Odysseus

hagen · Guest

On Jul 10, 10:44 pm, hagen <dan5m...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 10, 9:44 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:

On 2008-07-09, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

[about thePhaistosDisk]

The last time I heard any news about it, the news was that it was
indeed a clever forgery, on a par with those chrystal skulls.

What "chrystal [crystal?] skulls"?

When and where did you hear such news?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080709/sc_afp/sciencearchaeologyenterta...
orhttp://tinyurl.com/5frvpb

How about this for the next instalment of the Indy franchise:
"Indiana Jones and the Dodgy Antiques Dealer"?

The scientific paper is "in press" in the Journal of Archaeological
Science.

In summary, scientists from the British Museum and the Smithsonian
Institution have concluded that the one in the Smithsonian was made in
the 20th century (it has a trace of silicon carbide!), and the one in
the British Museum was made in the late 19th century.

Nonetheless, I>d like to see the new Indiana Jones film at some point.
;-)

Personally, I would be delighted to hear the confounded old platter
was a fake after all. At least it would shut up all those cranks.-

Just like the Voynich Manuscript cranks?

Hoaxes can still be quite interesting.

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A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

To feel sure that everyone could follow my decisive discovery of the
70 stems, I compared the inscription to a pictorial lottery to show
that the outside-stem-signs had complete congruency with the inside-
stem-signs.
To be sure that not a single got it wrong, I further on demonstrated
by the instrumentality of Lego bricks, that a step pyramid with seven
terraces reveals the same basic relations as thedisc: 244 items in 61
boxes (exclussive of the hidden core).
I never once found complex picture lotteries hidden in whatever text I
tried. Perhaps you did, but haven’t had the heart to tell me so?
No those systems are much more related to geometry than to grammar.
The conclusion must be that thediscis an unspecified annual ledger
with no words, and this is the progressive break-through, whether you
like it or not.
I fear, that if Michael Ventris has produced his discovery today
instead of 1951. The translation of Linear B was never approved in
public.
Ol’ Hagen
It is all there:http://web.gvdnet.dk/GVD002393/phaistos.htm
P.S. A forgery or a genuine plaque, does>nt make any difference at
this point. You eventually need to decipher the message, to decide- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
Did you knew, that all book-keepings by double entry, are following
the same pattern as picture lottery? Of course you do!

Peter T. Daniels · Guest

On Jul 11, 1:35 am, Odysseus <odysseus1479...@yahoo-dot.ca> wrote:
[quote]In article
6d616727-79ea-4a56-b9de-7d8818eb5...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:

On Jul 10, 3:05 am, "Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@paradise.net.nz
wrote:

snip

If your ISP (Internet Services Provider) offers NNTP service

How would I know whether it does so? When I switched to DSL two years
ago, I asked the servicepeople about accessing newsgroups and they had
no idea what I was talking about. (yahoo thinks that yahoo groups are
all one needs.)

Who>s your ISP? -- someone else here may have an account with them or
know about their services. Did you get any kind of manual or reference
card with connection instructions and whatnot when you signed up?
That>ll usually provide a URL for the news server, somewhere near the
e-mail configuration instructions.

You could try directing a news client (many e-mail programs have at
least the basic functions, so you may already have one installed without
knowing it) to a URL based on the ones you>ve been given for e-mail, and
see if it can log on. For example if the e-mail servers are
mail.yourisp.com> and <smtp.yourisp.com>, try entering
news.yourisp.com> in the appropriate setup dialog. If asked for
authentication, try the user-name and password you have for your e-mail
account.
[/quote]
My email page is mail.yahoo.com. news.yahoo.com takes me to a page of
current events.

Peter T. Daniels · Guest

On Jul 11, 6:40 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
[quote]On 2008-07-10, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

What "chrystal [crystal?] skulls"?

When and where did you hear such news?
[Adam]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080709/sc_afp/sciencearchaeologyenterta....
orhttp://tinyurl.com/5frvpb

How about this for the next instalment of the Indy franchise:
"Indiana Jones and the Dodgy Antiques Dealer"?

The scientific paper is "in press" in the Journal of Archaeological
Science.

In summary, scientists from the British Museum and the Smithsonian
Institution have concluded that the one in the Smithsonian was made in
the 20th century (it has a trace of silicon carbide!), and the one in
the British Museum was made in the late 19th century.

Sorry, there>s only one, and AFAIK it>s safe in its museum in Crete.
(Though maybe it>ll visit London for the centenary conference?)

Maybe the change of subject wasn>t as clear as I thought --- I was
talking about the crystal skulls, not the Phaistos disk.

As far as I know, there are three crystal skulls in museums: one each
in the Smithsonian, the British Musuem, and a museum in Paris.
[/quote]
How does that help with the assertion that the Phaistos Disk is a fake?

Ekkehard Dengler · Guest

Franz Gnaedinger wrote:

[quote]Ekkehard Dengler: why don>t you read the book
"Das Abaton des Lykäischen Zeus und der Hain
der Elaia" by Derk Ohlenroth ?
[/quote]
Thanks for the suggestion, but I find the title rather off-putting. I>m not
really interested in the Phaistos disc, I just wanted you to know that
"biased" is a correct spelling, since you had apologised for using it.

Regards,
Ekkehard

Adam Funk · Guest

On 2008-07-10, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

[quote]What "chrystal [crystal?] skulls"?

When and where did you hear such news?
[Adam]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080709/sc_afp/sciencearchaeologyenterta...
orhttp://tinyurl.com/5frvpb

Â Â How about this for the next instalment of the Indy franchise:
Â Â "Indiana Jones and the Dodgy Antiques Dealer"?

The scientific paper is "in press" in the Journal of Archaeological
Science.

In summary, scientists from the British Museum and the Smithsonian
Institution have concluded that the one in the Smithsonian was made in
the 20th century (it has a trace of silicon carbide!), and the one in
the British Museum was made in the late 19th century.

Sorry, there>s only one, and AFAIK it>s safe in its museum in Crete.
(Though maybe it>ll visit London for the centenary conference?)
[/quote]
Maybe the change of subject wasn>t as clear as I thought --- I was
talking about the crystal skulls, not the Phaistos disk.

As far as I know, there are three crystal skulls in museums: one each
in the Smithsonian, the British Musuem, and a museum in Paris.

--
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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

hagen · Guest

On Jul 11, 1:54 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 11, 6:40 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:

On 2008-07-10, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

What "chrystal [crystal?] skulls"?

When and where did you hear such news?
[Adam]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080709/sc_afp/sciencearchaeologyenterta....
orhttp://tinyurl.com/5frvpb

How about this for the next instalment of the Indy franchise:
"Indiana Jones and the Dodgy Antiques Dealer"?

The scientific paper is "in press" in the Journal of Archaeological
Science.

In summary, scientists from the British Museum and the Smithsonian
Institution have concluded that the one in the Smithsonian was made in
the 20th century (it has a trace of silicon carbide!), and the one in
the British Museum was made in the late 19th century.

Sorry, there>s only one, and AFAIK it>s safe in its museum in Crete.
(Though maybe it>ll visit London for the centenary conference?)

Maybe the change of subject wasn>t as clear as I thought --- I was
talking about the crystal skulls, not thePhaistosdisk.

As far as I know, there are three crystal skulls in museums: one each
in the Smithsonian, the British Musuem, and a museum in Paris.

How does that help with the assertion that thePhaistosDisk is a fake?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
Are the Phaistos disc tested positive for silicon carbide?
Now to your question. Lego was first introduced 1937 ;-)
No, seriously. We have to wait for studies in details of the solution,
before we can answer those marginal questions. I would prefer that the
disc shows to be an attribution to the picture of the Minoan way of
life.

Peter T. Daniels · Guest

On Jul 11, 10:49 am, "Paul J Kriha"
<paul.nospam.kr...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
[quote]Peter T. Daniels wrote:
On Jul 11, 1:35 am, Odysseus <odysseus1479...@yahoo-dot.ca> wrote:
In article
6d616727-79ea-4a56-b9de-7d8818eb5...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:

On Jul 10, 3:05 am, "Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@paradise.net.nz
wrote:

snip

If your ISP (Internet Services Provider) offers NNTP service

How would I know whether it does so? When I switched to DSL two years
ago, I asked the servicepeople about accessing newsgroups and they had
no idea what I was talking about. (yahoo thinks that yahoo groups are
all one needs.)

Who>s your ISP? -- someone else here may have an account with them or
know about their services. Did you get any kind of manual or reference
card with connection instructions and whatnot when you signed up?
That>ll usually provide a URL for the news server, somewhere near the
e-mail configuration instructions.

You could try directing a news client (many e-mail programs have at
least the basic functions, so you may already have one installed without
knowing it) to a URL based on the ones you>ve been given for e-mail, and
see if it can log on. For example if the e-mail servers are
mail.yourisp.com> and <smtp.yourisp.com>, try entering
news.yourisp.com> in the appropriate setup dialog. If asked for
authentication, try the user-name and password you have for your e-mail
account.

My email page is mail.yahoo.com. news.yahoo.com takes me to a page of
current events.

What did you expect?
You>ve no doubt bashed "news.yahoo.com" into your BROWSER
address. It then said it was opening address
http://news.yahoo.com/
Didn>t it?

Notice, the browser communicates via http protocol. That is
NOT what anybody suggested you try. You have to use some
kind of a newsreader which will talk nntp protocol, not http
and do it via the correct nntp port number of that news address.

I>ve never used yahoo for anything but I have the incling
that they are one of those who do not provide direct
Usenet access at all.
[/quote]
Obviously, I have no idea what you>re talking about.

I already told you they do not provide "direct Usenet access." I
simply did what Odysseus said to do.

Paul J Kriha · Guest

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
[quote]On Jul 11, 1:35 am, Odysseus <odysseus1479...@yahoo-dot.ca> wrote:
In article
6d616727-79ea-4a56-b9de-7d8818eb5...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:

On Jul 10, 3:05 am, "Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@paradise.net.nz
wrote:

snip

If your ISP (Internet Services Provider) offers NNTP service

How would I know whether it does so? When I switched to DSL two years
ago, I asked the servicepeople about accessing newsgroups and they had
no idea what I was talking about. (yahoo thinks that yahoo groups are
all one needs.)

Who>s your ISP? -- someone else here may have an account with them or
know about their services. Did you get any kind of manual or reference
card with connection instructions and whatnot when you signed up?
That>ll usually provide a URL for the news server, somewhere near the
e-mail configuration instructions.

You could try directing a news client (many e-mail programs have at
least the basic functions, so you may already have one installed without
knowing it) to a URL based on the ones you>ve been given for e-mail, and
see if it can log on. For example if the e-mail servers are
mail.yourisp.com> and <smtp.yourisp.com>, try entering
news.yourisp.com> in the appropriate setup dialog. If asked for
authentication, try the user-name and password you have for your e-mail
account.

My email page is mail.yahoo.com. news.yahoo.com takes me to a page of
current events.
[/quote]
What did you expect?
You>ve no doubt bashed "news.yahoo.com" into your BROWSER
address. It then said it was opening address
http://news.yahoo.com/
Didn>t it?

Notice, the browser communicates via http protocol. That is
NOT what anybody suggested you try. You have to use some
kind of a newsreader which will talk nntp protocol, not http
and do it via the correct nntp port number of that news address.

I>ve never used yahoo for anything but I have the incling
that they are one of those who do not provide direct
Usenet access at all.

pjk

pjk


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