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Franz Gnaedinger · Guest

On Oct 13, 11:58 am, António Marques <m...@sapo.pt> wrote:
[quote]Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
... I have new arguments in favor of Alexander Gross, another one
who was mobbed out of sci.lang.

The above is STUPID. You>ll have to excuse me, Francs, I>ve never used
such language with you that I can recall, but I must now.

I just read about an American anthropologist working at the
university of Arizona who found that prairie dogs use a language
consisting of substantives, adjectives and verbs !!! Imagine Al
Gross or me having posted such a thing by the end of 2005.

I imagine it would have sounded precisely as it sounds now.
[/quote]
Alexander Gross considers language a physiological
phenomenon, and he is right. I go even farther and say
language is a basic feature of life. Descartes is the
culprit who declared the universe and animals being
mere automata. Animals are unable of reasoning,
of speaking, and of feeling. Every child can tell you
the contrary. Some people have never been children,
it seems, they came to the world as adults. Here is
how our own Peter T. Daniels had his first glance at
the world: Hello mother, nice to meet you, howdy father,
how are you? My name is Peter, Peter T. Daniels,
and I think I>ll become a linguist, but this can wait for
a moment, methinks I>m hungry, can you do something
about it, please? ... And so Peter became what he is.
You all can spread the same Cartesian views for
ever. This view upset me when I was fourteen years
old, back in 1963. I was upset about the nonsense
schoolbooks told me. I asked those of my teachers
who studied linguistics, and they could not give me
better answers. I asked them what language is,
but I got no satisfactory answer again, and so I said
to myself, I shall answer that question myself, and
in any case I will not study linguistics, as academe
churns out prejudices by the wagonload, unable to
answer my questions. In 1974/75 I succeeded and
gave this answer to the above question: Language is
the means of getting help, support and understanding
from those we depend upon in one way or another
--- and every means of getting help, support and
understanding can be called language, on whatever
level of life it occurs ... Confirmation came soon
enough from biology, even bacteria and trees are
talking to each other, in exactly the sense of my
definition, and the more years pass by, ever more
evidence comes in, provided by academe, and of
course by biologists, who are doing the present
work in linguistics, while linguists who are just in
the business for becoming a linguist is the easiest
way of becoming a scientist - everybody speaks,
everybody, with a little effort, can become a linguist -,
about those I do not care. You lot just confirm my
opinion I had about linguistics back in 1963, and
all you can possibly achieve is to propel my work
ever further. - I wrote this message in honor of
Al Gross who had been mobbed out of sci.lang.

Paul J Kriha · Guest

Craoibhin66@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]On Oct 13, 3:08 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Oct 13, 1:13 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:

On Oct 12, 3:27 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:

What does he have to do with _your_ failure to offer evidence and
deductions. as opposed to assumptions?
albeit you are a Ph.D.

You>re lying about me again.

Has he already suggested that you are one of my alter egos?

Until now, he has accused at least johnk, Paul Kriha, and my friend
Seán (the author of at least two detective stories in Irish) of being
my additional identities.
[/quote]
Of course, he couldn>t be more wrong. I guess it>ll take him a few
more years to figure out that we all have got here on the same
hyperphotonflyer from Beta Ursa Minor and consequently we have
known each other for centuries.

Nanu nanu
pjk

Adam Funk · Guest

On 2008-10-10, AntÃ³nio Marques wrote:

[quote]http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/voynich/ has a list of allbodies on tha
Wab wha have speculated on the VMS. Not kooks, but folks trying to do
meaningful analysis (and none getting very far, of course; that>s what
most often tells honest people from the loonies!).
[/quote]
Interesting site, thanks!

--
I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, [my daughter] will come to me
and say 'Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press
away from the Internet?' [Mike Godwin, EFF http://www.eff.org/ ]

Franz Gnaedinger · Guest

On Oct 13, 2:08 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 13, 1:13 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:

On Oct 12, 3:27 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:

What does he have to do with _your_ failure to offer evidence and
deductions. as opposed to assumptions?
albeit you are a Ph.D.

You>re lying about me again.
[/quote]
When Dr. Jerome Eisenberg - Jerome M. Eisenberg,
Ph.D. - called you Dr. Daniels, you did not object, now
you do. Are you no Dr. Daniels then, no Peter T. Daniels,
Ph.D. ? When I am addressed as Dr. or Prof. or Prof. Dr.
(happens) I immediately correct people. Another difference
between the two of us. It seems we have different opinions
about honesty in science. You make people believe, and
when they believe what you make them believe you call
them liars. I make things clear right from begin.

My online stalker hoo feels entitled to ruin my publishing
thread obfuscates his aliases. Here again his four Usenet
identities: Panu Petteri Höglund phoglund alias craoibhin66
alias Sean Connor soconn1 alias John Hobart Kyle
jhobartkyle johnk. We are now witnessing how he splits up
his personality. As craoibhin he tries to pose as voice of
reason, as soconn1 he is his own good friend and pupil,
and as johnk he goes on with the raw insults from the
spring of 2006, even in the wording.

Never would I confound Paul J. Kriha (let alone Peter
T. Daniels) with Panu Petteri Höglund and his aliasses.
How could I miss the specific Czech wit? Paul made
me laugh with several jokes about me. I am fond of
Czechs (Antonin Dvorak, Jiri Trnka, Franz Kafka,
Jiri Menzel, Katerjina - libam tje milachku, doprostrshed
chumachku, neb tje mam radjei nesh raiskou omachku
- I love you my darling, because your lips are so red,
even redder than tomato juice ...). Being Czech, Paul
had a bonus with me, but finally I had to tell him that
sci.lang is no chatroom. If he thinks about removing
someone from this forum, he might remove himself.

Guest

On Oct 15, 8:26 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
[quote]libam tje milachku, doprostrshed
chumachku, neb tje mam radjei nesh raiskou omachku
- I love you my darling, because your lips are so red,
even redder than tomato juice ...).
[/quote]
You should do both Paul and me the favour of learning some real Czech
instead.

Being Czech, Paul
[quote]had a bonus with me, but finally I had to tell him that
sci.lang is no chatroom. If he thinks about removing
someone from this forum, he might remove himself.
[/quote]
What a chutzpah. You really think you are the one who sets the rules
here!

Franz, seriously: do you honestly think other people have no rights?
Do you honestly think other people exist just for your pleasure?

António Marques · Guest

Craoibhin66@gmail.com wrote:

[quote]I don>t know whether Tolkien routinely wrote his fantasy-language
poems in their orthography or in roman transliteration, but if the
former, wouldn>t they present the appearance of the Vms.,
extensive texts in a coherent language that couldn>t be interpreted
because it>s related to no other except kindred languages in the
same collection of ms. pages?

I guess so, but a statistical analysis of the corpus would show that
the distribution of the different signs or characters would suggest
a plausible natural language.
[/quote]
Which seems to be the case with the VMS.
--
António Marques

Paul J Kriha · Guest

Craoibhin66@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]On Oct 15, 8:26 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
libam tje milachku, doprostrshed
chumachku, neb tje mam radjei nesh raiskou omachku
- I love you my darling, because your lips are so red,
even redder than tomato juice ...).

You should do both Paul and me the favour of learning some real Czech
instead.
[/quote]
That obvious, is it? :-)

God knows where he got that rhyme from.
He posted it once before to sci.archeology in 2000.
The English translation is wrong and every single word in
the Cz rhyme is badly misspelled, except for one word,
"neb", and that, being an abbreviation of "nebot^" is often/
usually spelled "neb'".

In his post of 2000, he lambasts the sci.arch posters for being
"classical narrow-minders in here" and "cold and dogmatic
narrow-minders".
Funny that.

He also confesses to his "love" for "friendly man Dubcek". :-)
But that does happen now and then even in other countries than
Switzerland. People confess to loving Moscow educated
communists.

[quote]Being Czech, Paul had a bonus with me, but finally
I had to tell him that sci.lang is no chatroom.
[/quote]
Oh, goodness gracious me, you are so kind and I am so
nasty by thinking that you could go and jump in the nearest
See, Lac, or whatever.
pjk

[quote]If he thinks about removing
someone from this forum, he might remove himself.

What a chutzpah. You really think you are the one who sets the rules
here!

Franz, seriously: do you honestly think other people have no rights?
Do you honestly think other people exist just for your pleasure?[/quote]

Richard Herring · Guest

In message
<a5f5226e-e9ce-4d89-8ee6-c7078aa0c153@64g2000hsu.googlegroups.com>,
Craoibhin66@gmail.com writes

May I edit you slightly? A more revealing question might be:

[quote]Franz, seriously:
Do you honestly think other people exist
?[/quote]

--
Richard Herring

Franz Gnaedinger · Guest

The conference is nearing (Oct 31, Nov 1 and 2?).
In a previous message I interpreted Homer>s lineage
Zeus Arkeisios Laertes Odysseus Telemachos.
Meanwhile I have to modify it, letting go the early
dates, while relying more on the Bible.

AAR RAA NOS --- mind (nos) of the one composed
of air (aar) and light (raa), god of Göbekli Tepe,
visible ex negativo through the big limestone ring:
www.seshat.ch/home/ouranos.JPG This god
became the Greek god of the sky Ouranos

NOS AAR RAA --- he who follows the mind of the
one composed of air and light, he who follows the
heavenly Lord, Noah in the Bible

ShA PAD --- ruler (sha) acitivity of feet (pad),
wandering ruler, Japhet in the Bible, son of Noah

TYR --- he who overcomes in the double sense
of rule and give, Tiras in the Bible, son of Japhet,
settled on the southern shore of the Aral See,
Middle Helladic Sseyr Doric Sseus Homeric Zeus

ARC --- bear, Arkeisios, led the early Greeks
from the Aral Sea (southern end of the Andronovo
culture) along the southern shore of the Caspian
Sea, along the Caucasus mountain range, along
the northern shore of the Black Sea, to Thessaly
and the Peloponnese, a man strong as a bear,
defending his own like a bear, hence Ark- as
in Greek arktos Latin ursus. He left such an
impression on the dwellers of the Caucasus
that the word for Greek in Georgian is -berdz-,
a derivative of Magdalenian BIR and PIE *bher-
as origin of bear

Lord Laertes the gardener, Eponymous Tiryns,
representing the Argolis and the Peloponnese
in the Middle Helladic period of time, Tiryns
disc, gold signet ring from Tiryns. ITA CA ---
sky (ca) young bull (ita), under the sky of the
young Zeus bull, original name of the Peloponnese,
now for just an island west of the Peloponnese

Odysseus, personification of the Peloponnese
in the time of the Trojan war, his wife Penelope
a pun on the Peloponnese, together they build
an immovable bed - symbol of the eternal Greek
civilization - around the trunk of the olive tree
planted by Lord Laertes

Telemachus, 'far away war', Homer>s time,
fearfully reminding of former times, Messenian
wars, Gyges on the horizon, danger for the
Ionian colonies, Homer fearing for the unity
of Greece, therefore compiling the songs from
a rich bardic tradition

Franz Gnaedinger · Guest

In George Sfikas, Wild flowers of Crete, I found
a candidate for the calendar flower in the center
of the Tiryns disc: "Ranunculus ficaria - subsp.
ficariiformis. A sturdy plant, glabrous, with wide
oval leaves, cordate at base, slightly crenate,
concentrated mainly ... (can>t read my hand, FG)
down. Stems short. Flowers large, 30-50 mm,
with 8 - 12 petals. Sepals 3, yellowish-white.
Habitat: Damp places, arable fields and gardens
of lowland and sub-montane zones. Flowers
February - April." The picture shows two flowers
of eight petals each, in a strong sunflower yellow
against dark emerald green leaves. The form of
the flowers is a good match to the rosette on
the disc.

A flower of 12 petals would represent the original
calendar from Göbekli Tepe: a year has 12 months
of 30 days, plus 5 and sometimes 6 additional
days, while 63 continuous periods of 30 days
(or 270 weeks of 7 days) are 1,890 days and
correspond to 64 lunations.

A flower of 8 petals would represent the calendar
variant of the Argolis: a year has 8 periods of 45
days, plus 5 and sometimes 6 additional days,
while 21 continuous periods of 45 days (or 105
weeks of 9 days) are 945 days and correspond
to 32 lunations

The following calendar would make sense both
regarding astronomy and the climate of Crete
and the Argolis. A regular year of 365 days:

Intermediary period Mar 21 - 25,
New Year Mar 21, spring equinox

first period of 45 days Mar 26 - May 9

second period of 45 days May 10 - June 23
summer solstice on June 21 near the end

third period of 45 days Jun 24 - Aug 7

fourth period of 45 days Aug 8 - Sep 21

fifth period of 45 days Sep 22 - Nov 5
fall equinox on Sep 23, near the begin

sixth period of 45 days Nov 6 - Dec 20

seventh period of 45 days Dec 21 - Feb 3
winter solstice on Dec 21, begin of period

eigth period of 45 days Feb 4 - Mar 20

The above flower blooms during the last period
of the old year, during the intermediary period,
and during the first period of the new year.

-

[quote]The conference is nearing (Oct 31, Nov 1 and 2?).
In a previous message I interpreted Homer>s lineage
Zeus Arkeisios Laertes Odysseus Telemachos.
Meanwhile I have to modify it, letting go the early
dates, while relying more on the Bible.

AAR RAA NOS --- mind (nos) of the one composed
of air (aar) and light (raa), god of Göbekli Tepe,
visible ex negativo through the big limestone ring:
www.seshat.ch/home/ouranos.JPG This god
became the Greek god of the sky Ouranos

NOS AAR RAA --- he who follows the mind of the
one composed of air and light, he who follows the
heavenly Lord, Noah in the Bible

ShA PAD --- ruler (sha) acitivity of feet (pad),
wandering ruler, Japhet in the Bible, son of Noah

TYR --- he who overcomes in the double sense
of rule and give, Tiras in the Bible, son of Japhet,
settled on the southern shore of the Aral See,
Middle Helladic Sseyr Doric Sseus Homeric Zeus

ARC --- bear, Arkeisios, led the early Greeks
from the Aral Sea (southern end of the Andronovo
culture) along the southern shore of the Caspian
Sea, along the Caucasus mountain range, along
the northern shore of the Black Sea, to Thessaly
and the Peloponnese, a man strong as a bear,
defending his own like a bear, hence Ark- as
in Greek arktos Latin ursus. He left such an
impression on the dwellers of the Caucasus
that the word for Greek in Georgian is -berdz-,
a derivative of Magdalenian BIR and PIE *bher-
as origin of bear

Lord Laertes the gardener, Eponymous Tiryns,
representing the Argolis and the Peloponnese
in the Middle Helladic period of time, Tiryns
disc, gold signet ring from Tiryns. ITA CA ---
sky (ca) young bull (ita), under the sky of the
young Zeus bull, original name of the Peloponnese,
now for just an island west of the Peloponnese

Odysseus, personification of the Peloponnese
in the time of the Trojan war, his wife Penelope
a pun on the Peloponnese, together they build
an immovable bed - symbol of the eternal Greek
civilization - around the trunk of the olive tree
planted by Lord Laertes

Telemachus, 'far away war', Homer>s time,
fearfully reminding of former times, Messenian
wars, Gyges on the horizon, danger for the
Ionian colonies, Homer fearing for the unity
of Greece, therefore compiling the songs from
a rich bardic tradition[/quote]

hagen · Guest

On 19 Okt., 12:30, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
[quote]In George Sfikas, Wild flowers of Crete, I found
a candidate for the calendar flower in the center
of the Tirynsdisc: "Ranunculus ficaria - subsp.
ficariiformis. A sturdy plant, glabrous, with wide
oval leaves, cordate at base, slightly crenate,
concentrated mainly ... (can>t read my hand, FG)
down. Stems short. Flowers large, 30-50 mm,
with 8 - 12 petals. Sepals 3, yellowish-white.
Habitat: Damp places, arable fields and gardens
of lowland and sub-montane zones. Flowers
February - April." The picture shows two flowers
of eight petals each, in a strong sunflower yellow
against dark emerald green leaves. The form of
the flowers is a good match to the rosette on
thedisc.

A flower of 12 petals would represent the original
calendar from Göbekli Tepe: a year has 12 months
of 30 days, plus 5 and sometimes 6 additional
days, while 63 continuous periods of 30 days
(or 270 weeks of 7 days) are 1,890 days and
correspond to 64 lunations.

A flower of 8 petals would represent the calendar
variant of the Argolis: a year has 8 periods of 45
days, plus 5 and sometimes 6 additional days,
while 21 continuous periods of 45 days (or 105
weeks of 9 days) are 945 days and correspond
to 32 lunations

The following calendar would make sense both
regarding astronomy and the climate of Crete
and the Argolis. A regular year of 365 days:

Intermediary period Mar 21 - 25,
New Year Mar 21, spring equinox

first period of 45 days Mar 26 - May 9

second period of 45 days May 10 - June 23
summer solstice on June 21 near the end

third period of 45 days Jun 24 - Aug 7

fourth period of 45 days Aug 8 - Sep 21

fifth period of 45 days Sep 22 - Nov 5
fall equinox on Sep 23, near the begin

sixth period of 45 days Nov 6 - Dec 20

seventh period of 45 days Dec 21 - Feb 3
winter solstice on Dec 21, begin of period

eigth period of 45 days Feb 4 - Mar 20

The above flower blooms during the last period
of the old year, during the intermediary period,
and during the first period of the new year.

-

The conference is nearing (Oct 31, Nov 1 and 2?).
In a previous message I interpreted Homer>s lineage
Zeus Arkeisios Laertes Odysseus Telemachos.
Meanwhile I have to modify it, letting go the early
dates, while relying more on the Bible.

AAR RAA NOS --- mind (nos) of the one composed
of air (aar) and light (raa), god of Göbekli Tepe,
visible ex negativo through the big limestone ring:
www.seshat.ch/home/ouranos.JPG This god
became the Greek god of the sky Ouranos

NOS AAR RAA --- he who follows the mind of the
one composed of air and light, he who follows the
heavenly Lord, Noah in the Bible

ShA PAD --- ruler (sha) acitivity of feet (pad),
wandering ruler, Japhet in the Bible, son of Noah

TYR --- he who overcomes in the double sense
of rule and give, Tiras in the Bible, son of Japhet,
settled on the southern shore of the Aral See,
Middle Helladic Sseyr Doric Sseus Homeric Zeus

ARC --- bear, Arkeisios, led the early Greeks
from the Aral Sea (southern end of the Andronovo
culture) along the southern shore of the Caspian
Sea, along the Caucasus mountain range, along
the northern shore of the Black Sea, to Thessaly
and the Peloponnese, a man strong as a bear,
defending his own like a bear, hence Ark- as
in Greek arktos Latin ursus. He left such an
impression on the dwellers of the Caucasus
that the word for Greek in Georgian is -berdz-,
a derivative of Magdalenian BIR and PIE *bher-
as origin of bear

Lord Laertes the gardener, Eponymous Tiryns,
representing the Argolis and the Peloponnese
in the Middle Helladic period of time, Tiryns
disc, gold signet ring from Tiryns. ITA CA ---
sky (ca) young bull (ita), under the sky of the
young Zeus bull, original name of the Peloponnese,
now for just an island west of the Peloponnese

Odysseus, personification of the Peloponnese
in the time of the Trojan war, his wife Penelope
a pun on the Peloponnese, together they build
an immovable bed - symbol of the eternal Greek
civilization - around the trunk of the olive tree
planted by Lord Laertes

Telemachus, 'far away war', Homer>s time,
fearfully reminding of former times, Messenian
wars, Gyges on the horizon, danger for the
Ionian colonies, Homer fearing for the unity
of Greece, therefore compiling the songs from
a rich bardic tradition- Skjul tekst i anførselstegn -

- Vis tekst i anførselstegn -
[/quote]
Shame on you all !
Have you made something greater in your lifetime ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N43waEY84OU
Sincerely
Ole Hagen

Adam Funk · Guest

On 2008-10-24, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:

[quote]Why does Donkey Hole follow me around?
[/quote]
Do you mean Donkey Hotey?

--
Do not use _literally_ to intensify a metaphorical exaggeration.
People in a famine relief camp may be _literally_ starving, but
it is not a thing to say about oneself towards lunchtime.
(Gowers, _The Complete Plain Words_)

Otto Bahn · Guest

"Adam Funk" <a24061@yahoo.com> wrote

[quote]Why does Donkey Hole follow me around?

Do you mean Donkey Hotey?
[/quote]
Literally?

--oTTo--

Franz Gnaedinger · Guest

Keeping this thread alive for the conference
that begins today. I published my paper on
October 2, and two addenda on October 19
(quoted below). Nobody can buy scientific truth,
and nobody can get to the truth by leading a
killrating campaign. The first I say to Dr. Jerome
Eisenberg, the latter to Panu Petteri Höglund
phoglund alias craoibhin66 alias he himself
as his own good friend and pupil Sean Connor
soconn1 alias John Hobart Kyle jhobartkyle
johnk. He follows me around, molesting and
harassing me, stalking me, and recently he
even menaced me with the court. I got evidence
that he hides behind all the above aliases ready
for court.

[quote]In George Sfikas, Wild flowers of Crete, I found
a candidate for the calendar flower in the center
of the Tiryns disc: "Ranunculus ficaria - subsp.
ficariiformis. A sturdy plant, glabrous, with wide
oval leaves, cordate at base, slightly crenate,
concentrated mainly ... (can>t read my hand, FG)
down. Stems short. Flowers large, 30-50 mm,
with 8 - 12 petals. Sepals 3, yellowish-white.
Habitat: Damp places, arable fields and gardens
of lowland and sub-montane zones. Flowers
February - April." The picture shows two flowers
of eight petals each, in a strong sunflower yellow
against dark emerald green leaves. The form of
the flowers is a good match to the rosette on
the disc.

A flower of 12 petals would represent the original
calendar from Göbekli Tepe: a year has 12 months
of 30 days, plus 5 and sometimes 6 additional
days, while 63 continuous periods of 30 days
(or 270 weeks of 7 days) are 1,890 days and
correspond to 64 lunations.

A flower of 8 petals would represent the calendar
variant of the Argolis: a year has 8 periods of 45
days, plus 5 and sometimes 6 additional days,
while 21 continuous periods of 45 days (or 105
weeks of 9 days) are 945 days and correspond
to 32 lunations

The following calendar would make sense both
regarding astronomy and the climate of Crete
and the Argolis. A regular year of 365 days:

Intermediary period Mar 21 - 25,
New Year Mar 21, spring equinox

first period of 45 days Mar 26 - May 9

second period of 45 days May 10 - June 23
summer solstice on June 21 near the end

third period of 45 days Jun 24 - Aug 7

fourth period of 45 days Aug 8 - Sep 21

fifth period of 45 days Sep 22 - Nov 5
fall equinox on Sep 23, near the begin

sixth period of 45 days Nov 6 - Dec 20

seventh period of 45 days Dec 21 - Feb 3
winter solstice on Dec 21, begin of period

eigth period of 45 days Feb 4 - Mar 20

The above flower blooms during the last period
of the old year, during the intermediary period,
and during the first period of the new year.

-

The conference is nearing (Oct 31, Nov 1 and 2?).
In a previous message I interpreted Homer>s lineage
Zeus Arkeisios Laertes Odysseus Telemachos.
Meanwhile I have to modify it, letting go the early
dates, while relying more on the Bible.

AAR RAA NOS --- mind (nos) of the one composed
of air (aar) and light (raa), god of Göbekli Tepe,
visible ex negativo through the big limestone ring:
www.seshat.ch/home/ouranos.JPG This god
became the Greek god of the sky Ouranos

NOS AAR RAA --- he who follows the mind of the
one composed of air and light, he who follows the
heavenly Lord, Noah in the Bible

ShA PAD --- ruler (sha) acitivity of feet (pad),
wandering ruler, Japhet in the Bible, son of Noah

TYR --- he who overcomes in the double sense
of rule and give, Tiras in the Bible, son of Japhet,
settled on the southern shore of the Aral See,
Middle Helladic Sseyr Doric Sseus Homeric Zeus

ARC --- bear, Arkeisios, led the early Greeks
from the Aral Sea (southern end of the Andronovo
culture) along the southern shore of the Caspian
Sea, along the Caucasus mountain range, along
the northern shore of the Black Sea, to Thessaly
and the Peloponnese, a man strong as a bear,
defending his own like a bear, hence Ark- as
in Greek arktos Latin ursus. He left such an
impression on the dwellers of the Caucasus
that the word for Greek in Georgian is -berdz-,
a derivative of Magdalenian BIR and PIE *bher-
as origin of bear

Lord Laertes the gardener, Eponymous Tiryns,
representing the Argolis and the Peloponnese
in the Middle Helladic period of time, Tiryns
disc, gold signet ring from Tiryns. ITA CA ---
sky (ca) young bull (ita), under the sky of the
young Zeus bull, original name of the Peloponnese,
now for just an island west of the Peloponnese

Odysseus, personification of the Peloponnese
in the time of the Trojan war, his wife Penelope
a pun on the Peloponnese, together they build
an immovable bed - symbol of the eternal Greek
civilization - around the trunk of the olive tree
planted by Lord Laertes

Telemachus, 'far away war', Homer>s time,
fearfully reminding of former times, Messenian
wars, Gyges on the horizon, danger for the
Ionian colonies, Homer fearing for the unity
of Greece, therefore compiling the songs from
a rich bardic tradition[/quote]

hagen · Guest

On 31 Okt., 07:52, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
[quote]Keeping this thread alive for the conference
that begins today. I published my paper on
October 2, and two addenda on October 19
(quoted below). Nobody can buy scientific truth,
and nobody can get to the truth by leading a
killrating campaign. The first I say to Dr. Jerome
Eisenberg, the latter to Panu Petteri Höglund
phoglund alias craoibhin66 alias he himself
as his own good friend and pupil Sean Connor
soconn1 alias John Hobart Kyle jhobartkyle
johnk. He follows me around, molesting and
harassing me, stalking me, and recently he
even menaced me with the court. I got evidence
that he hides behind all the above aliases ready
for court.

In George Sfikas, Wild flowers of Crete, I found
a candidate for the calendar flower in the center
of the Tirynsdisc: "Ranunculus ficaria - subsp.
ficariiformis. A sturdy plant, glabrous, with wide
oval leaves, cordate at base, slightly crenate,
concentrated mainly ... (can>t read my hand, FG)
down. Stems short. Flowers large, 30-50 mm,
with 8 - 12 petals. Sepals 3, yellowish-white.
Habitat: Damp places, arable fields and gardens
of lowland and sub-montane zones. Flowers
February - April." The picture shows two flowers
of eight petals each, in a strong sunflower yellow
against dark emerald green leaves. The form of
the flowers is a good match to the rosette on
thedisc.

A flower of 12 petals would represent the original
calendar from Göbekli Tepe: a year has 12 months
of 30 days, plus 5 and sometimes 6 additional
days, while 63 continuous periods of 30 days
(or 270 weeks of 7 days) are 1,890 days and
correspond to 64 lunations.

A flower of 8 petals would represent the calendar
variant of the Argolis: a year has 8 periods of 45
days, plus 5 and sometimes 6 additional days,
while 21 continuous periods of 45 days (or 105
weeks of 9 days) are 945 days and correspond
to 32 lunations

The following calendar would make sense both
regarding astronomy and the climate of Crete
and the Argolis. A regular year of 365 days:

Intermediary period Mar 21 - 25,
New Year Mar 21, spring equinox

first period of 45 days Mar 26 - May 9

second period of 45 days May 10 - June 23
summer solstice on June 21 near the end

third period of 45 days Jun 24 - Aug 7

fourth period of 45 days Aug 8 - Sep 21

fifth period of 45 days Sep 22 - Nov 5
fall equinox on Sep 23, near the begin

sixth period of 45 days Nov 6 - Dec 20

seventh period of 45 days Dec 21 - Feb 3
winter solstice on Dec 21, begin of period

eigth period of 45 days Feb 4 - Mar 20

The above flower blooms during the last period
of the old year, during the intermediary period,
and during the first period of the new year.

-

The conference is nearing (Oct 31, Nov 1 and 2?).
In a previous message I interpreted Homer>s lineage
Zeus Arkeisios Laertes Odysseus Telemachos.
Meanwhile I have to modify it, letting go the early
dates, while relying more on the Bible.

AAR RAA NOS --- mind (nos) of the one composed
of air (aar) and light (raa), god of Göbekli Tepe,
visible ex negativo through the big limestone ring:
www.seshat.ch/home/ouranos.JPGThis god
became the Greek god of the sky Ouranos

NOS AAR RAA --- he who follows the mind of the
one composed of air and light, he who follows the
heavenly Lord, Noah in the Bible

ShA PAD --- ruler (sha) acitivity of feet (pad),
wandering ruler, Japhet in the Bible, son of Noah

TYR --- he who overcomes in the double sense
of rule and give, Tiras in the Bible, son of Japhet,
settled on the southern shore of the Aral See,
Middle Helladic Sseyr Doric Sseus Homeric Zeus

ARC --- bear, Arkeisios, led the early Greeks
from the Aral Sea (southern end of the Andronovo
culture) along the southern shore of the Caspian
Sea, along the Caucasus mountain range, along
the northern shore of the Black Sea, to Thessaly
and the Peloponnese, a man strong as a bear,
defending his own like a bear, hence Ark- as
in Greek arktos Latin ursus. He left such an
impression on the dwellers of the Caucasus
that the word for Greek in Georgian is -berdz-,
a derivative of Magdalenian BIR and PIE *bher-
as origin of bear

Lord Laertes the gardener, Eponymous Tiryns,
representing the Argolis and the Peloponnese
in the Middle Helladic period of time, Tiryns
disc, gold signet ring from Tiryns. ITA CA ---
sky (ca) young bull (ita), under the sky of the
young Zeus bull, original name of the Peloponnese,
now for just an island west of the Peloponnese

Odysseus, personification of the Peloponnese
in the time of the Trojan war, his wife Penelope
a pun on the Peloponnese, together they build
an immovable bed - symbol of the eternal Greek
civilization - around the trunk of the olive tree
planted by Lord Laertes

Telemachus, 'far away war', Homer>s time,
fearfully reminding of former times, Messenian
wars, Gyges on the horizon, danger for the
Ionian colonies, Homer fearing for the unity
of Greece, therefore compiling the songs from
a rich bardic tradition- Skjul tekst i anførselstegn -

- Vis tekst i anførselstegn -
[/quote]
In my deliberations to understand, what lies on the bottom of the sick
boycott of 'my obvious solution to the Phaistos disc', I am tumbling,
for the moment, with this far out conspiracy theory.
http://www.geocities.com/o_hagen/dom.gif
Regards
Ole Hagen
NB. You are welcome to display this collage in your diaz-show at
Burlington house today.
http://web.gvdnet.dk/GVD002393/phaistos.htm


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