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Paul J Kriha
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 Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: Re: International Conference on the Phaistos Disk |
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Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
[quote]On Oct 12, 8:19 am, "Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@paradise.net.nz
wrote:
- That wasn>t the first or last discussion we had.
- Your summary is not accurate. How the bees behave
depends greatly on which species we are looking at.
- My father was a uni professor, he certainly didn>t keep any bees.
- I have never thought of asking for anybody "to be removed"
from sci.lang. I have no idea how it could be done.
However, I am certainly in favour of convincing you that
it is antisocial behaviour to keep spamming Usenet groups
with endless repeats of long texts.
- You say you never called me stupid. Are you implying
that I did call you that? When was that?
THE QIUZ ..., a thread started by Alexander Gross
on Dec 17, 2005. Peter T. Daniels in his message
from Dec 27, 2005, 4:14 pm:
Worker bees and drones are not female.
Paul J. Kriha on Dec 28, 2005, 12:13 pm:
The queen bee is female, the worker bees are
sexless extensions of a single biological (genetical)
entity, the hive. Metaphorically speaking, the worker
bees are like fingers and arms of a hive.
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(1) I am not going to enter into this argument again.
This is my last msg on the subject of bees.
(2) There is a number of different bee species. AFAIR
I specified which one I was talking about but you kept
bringing up counter examples relevant to other species.
[quote]A long discussion ensued, I don>t remember every
detail and argument, so it wasn>t Paul>s father who
kept bees, but perhaps his grandfather. Anyway,
Nevermind, it wasn>t my grandfather either. :-)
the above declarations are wrong, workers bees
are female, only voulntarily sterile in the presence
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(3) "Voluntary"? What are you talking about?
The air in the beehive is permeated with the queen>s
pheromones. The worker bees' sterility is automatic,
i.e. involuntary. However, it is not 100.0000% reliable and
some workers may also lay eggs. This happens more
frequently in some species and less in others. Usually such
rogue eggs get killed by other workers when they fail to
smell the queen>s pheromones on them.
pjk
[quote]of a queen, but when the queen is removed and
her pheromenes don>t longer inhibit the worker bees,
they develop sexual organs within two or three weeks,
and another one becomes queen, or, as it happens
in anarchic beehives, several former worker bees
take over as rebel queens, as reported by a French
bee keeper from the Provence in the radio program
I heard and reported of.
I will have to write my second open letter regarding
Panu Petteri Höglund, as he is going on messing
with me in my publishing thread, ignoring my warning.
He wants to be the hero who drives me out of sci.lang.
He got nothing to say on his own, so he must take
revenge on me. Three menaces within three weeks.
Everybody else can be mentioned in my open letter
too. They just have to tell me.
Back to the thread THE QUIZ... I have new arguments
in favor of Alexander Gross, another one who was
mobbed out of sci.lang. I just read about an American
anthropologist working at the university of Arizona
who found that prairie dogs use a language consisting
of substantives, adjectives and verbs !!! Imagine Al
Gross or me having posted such a thing by the end
of 2005.[/quote] |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: Re: International Conference on the Phaistos Disk |
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On Oct 13, 10:22 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 13, 8:38 am, "Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@paradise.net.nz
wrote:
(1) I am not going to enter into this argument again.
But you are forcing me to go through it all again?
The Usenet isn>t just surfing in the present, it has
a memory, a time depth, an archive
[/quote]
What you think the Usenet is, is unimportant. More and more of the
Usenet has been taken over by spammers and extremists. For instance,
much of the sfnet hierarchy in Finland has died down recently, groups
which were teeming with life five years ago only show the odd spam
message today. (Much of this is due to the blog revolution - people
simply went on to become bloggers. Which actually begs the question,
why Franz shouldn>t take up blogging himself - what he is doing here
is essentially blogging, which this newsgroup is not meant for.)
The future is obvious: some time very soon, the Usenet itself will be
closed down, and its records destroyed, because they take too much
computer memory. Spammers, like Franz, will be the culprits, of course. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: Re: International Conference on the Phaistos Disk |
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On Oct 12, 10:56 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
[quote]
I will have to write my second open letter regarding
Panu Petteri Höglund, as he is going on messing
with me in my publishing thread, ignoring my warning.
He wants to be the hero who drives me out of sci.lang.
[/quote]
I don>t want to be "the hero". I simply want you to leave the place. I
gladly yield the daunting task of driving you away to somebody else.
Not that it would make much difference, because you have already
attributed two other persons' identities to me (johnk and Seán, who
are both quite distinct entities). It seems that whoever opposes you
energetically enough will be branded one of my multiple identities. I
am looking forward to the day when you start thinking Peter Daniels is
also one of my alter egos. |
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Peter T. Daniels
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: International Conference on the Phaistos Disk |
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On Oct 13, 1:13 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 12, 3:27 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
What does he have to do with _your_ failure to offer evidence and
deductions. as opposed to assumptions?
albeit you are a Ph.D.
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You>re lying about me again. |
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Peter T. Daniels
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: International Conference on the Phaistos Disk |
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On Oct 13, 3:22 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 13, 8:38 am, "Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@paradise.net.nz
wrote:
(1) I am not going to enter into this argument again.
But you are forcing me to go through it all again?
The Usenet isn>t just surfing in the present, it has
a memory, a time depth, an archive maintained
by Google, accessible to everyone,
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Thus there is no reason to repeat anything at all. |
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Peter T. Daniels
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: International Conference on the Phaistos Disk |
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On Oct 13, 8:00 am, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
[quote]On 2008-10-11, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
Are there any other instance of genuine ancient writing made by
stamping in clay? (I know cuneiform was often written with a stylus,
but it was the same one used to make all the symbols.)
It sent itself before I wrote my next sentence!
It>s not huge step from making a stamp with a whole text on it to
makaing a stamp with a single character on it, as happened in Korea
long ago and in Mainz 560 years ago. Maybe something like that
happened in Phaistos-land.
You know, I have heard of Gutenberg, and I don>t think of him as
"ancient"! <g> But thanks for clarifying the Mesopotamian stamping.
[/quote]
The "ancient" part was addressed in the previous sentence.
[quote]AFAICT, however, none of these examples produced just one prototype
and then gave up on the idea, or devised a set of characters just for
one thing --- whereas a one-off use of both the technique and the
symbols is, to the best of our knowledge, what the Phaistos Disk is,
if it>s genuine.
[/quote]
If we knew where it came from we would know where to go to look for
other examples.
[quote]The authorities in Crete really ought to allow a thermoluminescence
test to date the disk.[/quote] |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: International Conference on the Phaistos Disk |
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On Oct 13, 3:08 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 13, 1:13 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
On Oct 12, 3:27 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
What does he have to do with _your_ failure to offer evidence and
deductions. as opposed to assumptions?
albeit you are a Ph.D.
You>re lying about me again.
[/quote]
Has he already suggested that you are one of my alter egos?
Until now, he has accused at least johnk, Paul Kriha, and my friend
Seán (the author of at least two detective stories in Irish) of being
my additional identities. |
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Peter T. Daniels
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: International Conference on the Phaistos Disk |
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On Oct 13, 9:09 am, Craoibhi...@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]On Oct 13, 3:08 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Oct 13, 1:13 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
On Oct 12, 3:27 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
What does he have to do with _your_ failure to offer evidence and
deductions. as opposed to assumptions?
albeit you are a Ph.D.
You>re lying about me again.
Has he already suggested that you are one of my alter egos?
Until now, he has accused at least johnk, Paul Kriha, and my friend
Seán (the author of at least two detective stories in Irish) of being
my additional identities.
[/quote]
No. He knows I was here before you. |
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António Marques
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: International Conference on the Phaistos Disk |
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Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
[quote]... I have new arguments in favor of Alexander Gross, another one
who was mobbed out of sci.lang.
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The above is STUPID. You>ll have to excuse me, Francs, I>ve never used
such language with you that I can recall, but I must now.
[quote]I just read about an American anthropologist working at the
university of Arizona who found that prairie dogs use a language
consisting of substantives, adjectives and verbs !!! Imagine Al
Gross or me having posted such a thing by the end of 2005.
[/quote]
I imagine it would have sounded precisely as it sounds now.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: International Conference on the Phaistos Disk |
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On Oct 13, 5:02 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 13, 9:09 am, Craoibhi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 13, 3:08 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Oct 13, 1:13 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
On Oct 12, 3:27 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
What does he have to do with _your_ failure to offer evidence and
deductions. as opposed to assumptions?
albeit you are a Ph.D.
You>re lying about me again.
Has he already suggested that you are one of my alter egos?
Until now, he has accused at least johnk, Paul Kriha, and my friend
Seán (the author of at least two detective stories in Irish) of being
my additional identities.
No. He knows I was here before you.
[/quote]
Has he been around such a long time? I thought I>d remember the day he
appeared here for the first time. I definitely think I remember a time
when Magdalenian wasn>t all over the place. |
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Adam Funk
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: International Conference on the Phaistos Disk |
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On 2008-10-11, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
[quote]Are there any other instance of genuine ancient writing made by
stamping in clay? (I know cuneiform was often written with a stylus,
but it was the same one used to make all the symbols.)
It sent itself before I wrote my next sentence!
It>s not huge step from making a stamp with a whole text on it to
makaing a stamp with a single character on it, as happened in Korea
long ago and in Mainz 560 years ago. Maybe something like that
happened in Phaistos-land.
[/quote]
You know, I have heard of Gutenberg, and I don>t think of him as
"ancient"! <g> But thanks for clarifying the Mesopotamian stamping.
AFAICT, however, none of these examples produced just one prototype
and then gave up on the idea, or devised a set of characters just for
one thing --- whereas a one-off use of both the technique and the
symbols is, to the best of our knowledge, what the Phaistos Disk is,
if it>s genuine.
The authorities in Crete really ought to allow a thermoluminescence
test to date the disk.
--
hmmmm: sounds like the same DLL hell problem my cousin had. try
deleting all DLLs in your Windows/system32 directory and see what
happens. (Bryce Utting) |
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Adam Funk
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: International Conference on the Phaistos Disk |
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On 2008-10-11, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
[quote]On Oct 11, 8:23 am, Craoibhi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 10, 10:17 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
No, I>m not saying that. I>m a bit surprised that you think the PD
and the Voynich MS are really writing; I thought you would be
skeptical about the idea that there is real language underlying both
of them.
Knowing that Peter is such a stickler for terminological accuracy, I
also tended to think that as an expert, he would have some special
term for structured scribblings which haven>t yet been confirmed to be
"writing" (in the sense of there being an underlying language) but
which do seem to comply with his minimal criteria for what *could* be
writing.
"semiotic system"?
[/quote]
If it turns out not to have any underlying meaning/language, isn>t is
asemic? I think the usual term is "asemic writing", but in this case
it wouldn>t meet your definition of writing, would it?
--
I heard that Hans Christian Andersen lifted the title for "The Little
Mermaid" off a Red Lobster Menu. [Bucky Katt] |
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Trond Engen
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: International Conference on the Phaistos Disk |
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Adam Funk skreiv:
[quote]On 2008-10-11, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
On Oct 11, 8:23 am, Craoibhi...@gmail.com wrote:
Knowing that Peter is such a stickler for terminological accuracy,
I also tended to think that as an expert, he would have some
special term for structured scribblings which haven>t yet been
confirmed to be "writing" (in the sense of there being an
underlying language) but which do seem to comply with his minimal
criteria for what *could* be writing.
"semiotic system"?
If it turns out not to have any underlying meaning/language, isn>t is
asemic? I think the usual term is "asemic writing", but in this case
it wouldn>t meet your definition of writing, would it?
[/quote]
There are countries where antisemiotic utterances are forbidden by law.
--
Trond Engen
- semi-idiotic
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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António Marques
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: International Conference on the Phaistos Disk |
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Craoibhin66@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]On Oct 13, 5:02 pm, "Peter T. Daniels"<gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Oct 13, 9:09 am, Craoibhi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 13, 3:08 pm, "Peter T. Daniels"<gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Oct 13, 1:13 am, Franz Gnaedinger<f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
On Oct 12, 3:27 pm, "Peter T. Daniels"<gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
What does he have to do with _your_ failure to offer evidence and
deductions. as opposed to assumptions?
albeit you are a Ph.D.
You>re lying about me again.
Has he already suggested that you are one of my alter egos?
Until now, he has accused at least johnk, Paul Kriha, and my friend
Seán (the author of at least two detective stories in Irish) of being
my additional identities.
No. He knows I was here before you.
Has he been around such a long time? I thought I>d remember the day he
appeared here for the first time. I definitely think I remember a time
when Magdalenian wasn>t all over the place.
[/quote]
He>s been here for many years, but used to write only every now and
then, and not necessarily the same stuff he writes now, iirc.
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Adam Funk
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: Re: International Conference on the Phaistos Disk |
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On 2008-10-13, Trond Engen wrote:
[quote]There are countries where antisemiotic utterances are forbidden by law.
[/quote]
I believe in the right to shout nonsense in street theatre.
--
History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of
urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.
(Thurgood Marshall) |
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