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grapheus@www.com · Guest

On Jul 17, 12:20 am, hagen <dan5m...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 17, 12:11 am, hagen <dan5m...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 16, 12:10 pm, "graph...@www.com" <graph...@www.com> wrote:

On Jul 12, 5:22 pm, hagen <dan5m...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 11, 10:08 pm, hagen <dan5m...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 11, 9:26 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:

On 2008-07-11, hagen wrote:
To feel sure that everyone could follow my decisive discovery of the
70 stems, I compared the inscription to a pictorial lottery to show
that the outside-stem-signs had complete congruency with the inside-
stem-signs.
To be sure that not a single got it wrong, I further on demonstrated
by the instrumentality of Lego bricks, that a step pyramid with seven
terraces reveals the same basic relations as thedisc: 244 items in 61
boxes (exclussive of the hidden core).
I never once found complex picture lotteries hidden in whatever text I
tried. Perhaps you did, but haven’t had the heart to tell me so?
No those systems are much more related to geometry than to grammar.
The conclusion must be that thediscis an unspecified annual ledger
with no words, and this is the progressive break-through, whether you
like it or not.
I fear, that if Michael Ventris has produced his discovery today
instead of 1951. The translation of Linear B was never approved in
public.
Ol’ Hagen
It is all there:http://web.gvdnet.dk/GVD002393/phaistos.htm
P.S. A forgery or a genuine plaque, does>nt make any difference at
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Did you knew, that all book-keepings by double entry, are following
the same pattern as picture lottery? Of course you do!

Does that mean that Italians invented thePhaistosDisk?

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Primarily I say, that the infrastructure of this 'inscription' is
related to what is found in annual ledgers, long before it has to do
with grammatical conjugations etc.
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When I was young in the nineteen-seventies, I resided in downtown
Copenhagen, and visited, besides of all the pubs, 'Odd Fellow Palæet',
which is an equivalence to the Burlington House at Piccadelly Circus.
I once overheard a session there about the golden two horns from
Galehus, the first one was unearthed by Miss. Kirsten Svendsdatter in
1639. I then solved the hieroglyphs on the horn myself. Resently those
papers of mine were sufficiently burnt to the end of days, because we
don>t want anotherPhaistosdiscnightmare, do we? I don>t !!!
It is very doubtful, that I in person shall turn up to the London
conference, but if a kind soul could display this amateur video of
mine in London, not bringing attention to the aquiline nose in the
front, but to the two pyramids painted on the wall in the background,
then I be more than satisfied.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKPCN6qC_BEhttp://web.gvdnet.dk/GVD002...
Trust me
Ole Hagen

Hi, Ole,

Is it you playing guitar ? What happened to the young boy on the cover
of "the Minoan Calendar" edited 7 or 8 years ago ?..
And what is a "G string" ?..

Regards
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Very simple Watson. Twenty years have past between the two photo>s !
988 and 2008,
but the eagle is still swooping down upon its prey.
Hagen- Hide quoted text -

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According to Wikipedia, this "air ", when set to C major, will be
playable only on the G string (one of four strings on the violin).
Hagen
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Thanks for the information.

Regards
grapheus

Franz Gnaedinger · Guest

On Jul 16, 9:09 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]
Of course -- since you can invent whatever you wish to be
"Magdalenian," and you wished it to accord with your particular
preferred "decipherment" of the PD.
[/quote]
Poor Peter T. Daniels. Your claim to fame is your book
The World>s Writing Systems, published in 1996. In order
to keep it up to date you must ignore and deny all that
goes beyond. Ironically, Derk Ohlenroth published his
decipherment of the Elaia disk and Tiryns disk, of the
inscriptions on the bronze double axe from Arkalokhori
and on the altar stone or rather libation stone from Mallia
(the latter addressing Diktyna, Cretan goddess of heights
and mountain tops, imploring her for rain) also in 1996,
and in order to keep your book à jour you can>t read it.
Over the years you found every excuse not even to have
a look at it. Poor Peter. Now you are delighted with
Jerome Eisenberg>s brillant discovery that the disk is
a fake. His conference will surely be a great success.
Then he may go for more. As a next step he may declare
that the Egyptian pyramids are a hoax, built by Napoleon>s
troops. And finally he may envision his biggest triumph
in collaboration with Matt Giwer: the Bible hoax. The Bible
and Hebrew were invented by a couple of Greek scholars
in the second century BC. And so, ultimately, also the
Jews themselves are a fake. The Berliners knew it when
they founded an association against Jewish nonsense in
the sciences, provoked by Einstein>s relativity theory.
Einstein attended one of their meetings, he was supposed
to crumble away in shame, instead he laughed out loud
because he found it all so very absurd. Well, Eisenberg
and Giwer will have the last laugh. Einstein, having been
a Jew, was himself nothing but a fake, ergo all his ideas
including his relativity theory were a fake. Your way of
reasoning, Peter, opens bright alleys for the future ...

There is of course an alternative possibility - Jerome
Eisenberg publishing a summary of Derk Ohlenroth>s
linguistic and of my visual deciphering of the disk(s),
and you writing a supplement to your book - but this
can obviously only happen in a parallel universe far
far away from ours.

Franz Gnaedinger · Guest

[quote]The origin of the name Zeus was believed to be
PIE *dieus, however, the Middle Helladic version
of the name, mentioned twice on the Tiryns disk
as deciphered by Derk Ohlenroth, is Ss-Ey-R
Sseyr, which is far from *dieus but close to
Magdalenian TYR --- he who overcomes in the
double sense of rule and give. TYR (Magdalenian)
Sseyr (Middle Helladic, emphatic form of Tyr)
Sseus (Doric) Zeus (Homeric). The graphic
representation of the name on the disk goes along
perfectly with hypothetical TYR in the above meaning:
1) rosette - 2) male profile - 3) ear of grain

1) rosette of eight petals and a small circle in the
center: a flower, hinting at vegetation, a solar
symbol, and a calendar, variation of the Neolithic I
calendar from Göbekli Tepe: a petal represents
a period of 45 days, the small circle in the center
5 and occasionally 6 days, all in all 365 or 366
days, while 21 continuous periods of 45 days
are 945 days and correspond to 32 lunations.
A comment on one of my editions of Homer>s
Odyssey speaks of a Mycenaean week of nine
days, hence a period of 45 days would have been
five weeks, and 105 weeks, counted in the continous
way as we do, equal 32 lunations

2) male profile: a ruler, Eponymous Tiryns himself,
first lion-wolf-dog-bee king in line worshipping
Demeter-Elaia on the gold signet ring from Tiryns,
Lord Laertes the gardener in Homer>s Odyssey.
The tattoo on the cheek shows a pair of rings,
one above the other, touching each other: this
represents Sseyr Zeus (upper ring) and Eponymous
Tiryns (lower ring), equating Eponymous Tiryns with
Sseyr, as the spiral text itself does

3) ear of grain: TYR Sseyr Sseus Zeus is not only
the ruler but also the giver, the sun provides light
and warmth and makes the vegetation grow,
supplying the Argives with cereals

Now disprove my opinion on the basis of scientific
arguments, or leave me in peace.
[/quote]
He can>t disprove my opinion, and my message was
getting killrated. My adversaries lack arguments,
all they got are ad hominems and their killrating urge,
so I won the discussion. Another round goes to me.

If the Mycenaean week really had nine days, as
the commentary to one of my editions of Homer>s
Odyssey claims, then there are a couple of pretty
numbers involved in the calendar encoded in
the rosette in the center of the Tiryns disk:

3 x 5 x 7 weeks = 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 lunations

= 1 x 3 x 5 x 7 x 9 days

(if these numbers can be encoded in some graphic
way?)

The presence of TYR in the emphatic form Sseyr
(Sseus Zeus) in the center of the Tiryns disk is
balanced by the visual presence of Demeter-Elaia
and Poseidon in the center of the Elaia disk, namely
the oven reminding of the baking oven of the goddess
of Old Europe in the sense of Marija Gimbutas and
the river symbolizing Poseidon, originally the god
of rivers. Poseidon raped Demeter-Elaia, and the
child born from this union was Nyx. The Elaia text
informs visitors of Elaia>s grove at Phigalia how to
evoke Nyx and get her oracle. The angry goddess
Demeter Melaina is seen on the disk, as a woman
whose face turns into the head of a horse. This
indicates a famine. Demeter / Demeter-Elaia /
Black Demeter Melaina, after having been raped
by Poseidon, caused a famine. Her equivalent
was the Cretan goddess Lousia, to whom the
bronze double axe of Arkalokhori is dedicated
(I belong to the goddess Lousia, the angry one).
Even the inscription on the altar stone of Mallia
has indirectly to do with a famine: it implores
Diktyna, the Cretan goddess of heights and
mountain tops, to make it rain. Eponymous Tiryns,
hero of the Tiryns disk, would have saved the
Argolis from a famine by introducing the olive
tree and portable beehive (Derk Ohlenroth>s
palanquin), probably with the help of priestesses
from Elaia>s grove at Phigalia and from Crete.
The gold ring from Mokhlos in Crete shows Elaia
in a boat which turns into a stallion (Poseidon),
in the boat an olive tree, and a large bee flying
in the air, probably toward a human built hive.
Eponymous Tiryns and his successors are
depicted on the gold signet ring from Tiryns,
represented as lion-wolf-dog-bee kings, in
between them, appearing three times, Evans 13,
the vertical twig growing from an olive. And in
Homer>s Odyssey, the same man got honored
as Lord Laertes who planted the first olive tree,
around whose stump Odysseus and Penelope
built their immovable bed, symbol of the eternal
Greek civilization ...

Such a view can>t be published in a scientific
journal, and here in sci.lang, ruled by a mob,
it will immediately get killrated.

Peter T. Daniels · Guest

On Jul 18, 2:50 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:

[quote]Now disprove my opinion on the basis of scientific
arguments, or leave me in peace.

He can>t disprove my opinion,
[/quote]
Obviously. Opinions are not subject to proof or disproof.

Franz Gnaedinger · Guest

On Jul 18, 3:09 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]
Obviously. Opinions are not subject to proof or disproof.
[/quote]
By Sseyr, must I always use the big words?
Ruud Harmsen obviously can>t disprove my
_hypothesis_ that the name Zeus didn>t come
from PIE *dieus but from Magdalenian TYR
--- he who overcomes in the double sense of
rule and give. Middle Helladic Ss-Ey-R Sseyr
would be an emphatic form of TYR, followed
by Doric Sseus and Homeric Zeus. Consider
French Mon-sieur and English Sire and Sir.
Middle Helladic Sseyr could also be a hybrid
of TYR and SAI --- life, existence. The aspect
of life would then persist in the English verb
to sire, to father a child.

Now for the question you pose in the thread
started by Jerome Eisenberg alias antiquarian.
Also as an object, the disk isn>t really unique.
We have oval clay plaques in the shape of
loaves from Banjica, Early Vinca culture, and
from Vrsac, Vinca culture, ca. 5 000 BC, with
a rectangular and a round spiral respectively,
surrounded by further decorative inscriptions.
My Vinca experiment from a couple of years ago
(pre-dating my Magdalenian experiment from
2005 onward) led me to assume an archetypical
grove and garden sanctuary of the Bird Goddess
Kirike (surviving in Homer>s Circe) with game and
beehives, and a spiraling way leading through
the grove and garden to a shrine with a baking
oven in the center. The central sign on the Elaia
disk evokes the baking oven of the shrine at
Sabatinovka, Moldavia, Early Cucuteni:
www.seshat.ch/home/kirike11.GIF (you may
also look up the drawings 07 08 15 36 37.GIF)
Elaia>s grove at Phigalia would have been
a late survivor of such a grove and garden
sanctuary, which also served as a botanical
institute, where plants were breeded and
a reserve of seeds was being kept. Advice
was given via oracles. Also a calendar was
kept in those shrines, originally a calendar
of the Bird Goddess, her tail symbolizing
winter, her right wing spring, her head summer,
her left wing fall. The phonetic value of the
Vinca spiral would have been zo for live and
life, a derivative of Magdalenian SAI for life,
existence. More later, by and by. Why doesn>t
Jerome Eisenberg show up here in this thread?
because he would meet a real challenge?

Ruud Harmsen · Guest

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:45:22 -0700 (PDT): Franz Gnaedinger
<frgn@bluemail.ch>: in sci.lang:

[quote]By Sseyr, must I always use the big words?
Ruud Harmsen obviously can>t disprove my
_hypothesis_ that the name Zeus didn>t come
from PIE *dieus but from Magdalenian TYR
--- he who overcomes in the double sense of
rule and give. Middle Helladic Ss-Ey-R Sseyr
would be an emphatic form of TYR, followed
by Doric Sseus and Homeric Zeus. Consider
French Mon-sieur and English Sire and Sir.
Middle Helladic Sseyr could also be a hybrid
of TYR and SAI --- life, existence. The aspect
of life would then persist in the English verb
to sire, to father a child.
[/quote]
I really don>t understand why you don>t simply admit that what you
write is fantasy. It>s nice and interesting as such, but it>s
certainly not science. It>s fantasy, perhaps science fiction. Do you
think you>d diminish it>s value by admiting that? I don>t.

--
Ruud Harmsen
http://rudhar.com

hagen · Guest

On Jul 16, 1:13 pm, António Marques <m...@sapo.pt> wrote:
[quote]Peter T. Daniels wrote:
The attempt to make the clarification of the structure of thedisc
vanish into thin air as something unimportant, by focusing on the
marginal question of its autheticity,

If it>s not authentic, why on earth would you and hundreds of other
"decipherers" waste years of their life on it?

I suppose even if it is a fake, people may think its maker did codify
information worth decipering there.
--
António Marques
--
This signature does not include a prefab parting phrase
** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**
[/quote]
You can prove things to be complete obvious, like I did, indeed! but
it won>t help you a damn, before an authority from the Society of
science has decided to mention your name, and your deed. First by then
your achievement is confirmed
This unsympathetic demonstration of power is here seen again (this
time in connection with an expectant and popular artifact) as always
this behaviour sprouts in silly days, when the crops did fail. Surely
caused by single tortous minds in each case.
http://web.gvdnet.dk/GVD002393/phaestos.htm
Regarde
Ole Hagen
P.S. How I wish that Solomon himself was here, or perhaps the Lucasian
man; to judge, whether my discovery is worth "The big note", or not

hagen · Guest

On Jul 19, 4:36 pm, hagen <dan5m...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 16, 1:13 pm, António Marques <m...@sapo.pt> wrote:

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
The attempt to make the clarification of the structure of thedisc
vanish into thin air as something unimportant, by focusing on the
marginal question of its autheticity,

If it>s not authentic, why on earth would you and hundreds of other
"decipherers" waste years of their life on it?

I suppose even if it is a fake, people may think its maker did codify
information worth decipering there.
--
António Marques
--
This signature does not include a prefab parting phrase
** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**

You can prove things to be complete obvious, like I did, indeed! but
it won>t help you a damn, before an authority from the Society of
science has decided to mention your name, and your deed. First by then
your achievement is confirmed
This unsympathetic demonstration of power is here seen again (this
time in connection with an expectant and popular artifact) as always
this behaviour sprouts in silly days, when the crops did fail. Surely
caused by single tortous minds in each case.http://web.gvdnet.dk/GVD002393/phaestos.htm
Regarde
Ole Hagen
P.S. How I wish that Solomon himself was here, or perhaps the Lucasian
man; to judge, whether my discovery is worth "The big note", or not
By principle I always keep my promises - The Phaistos disc-.[/quote]
It will be gone tomorrow, because this video display a being (Grapheus
saw) who tried his hand on Amadeus twenty years to late. ;-)
Hagen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA55AQgysfo

grapheus@www.com · Guest

On Jul 19, 5:41 pm, hagen <dan5m...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 19, 4:36 pm, hagen <dan5m...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 16, 1:13 pm, António Marques <m...@sapo.pt> wrote:

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
The attempt to make the clarification of the structure of thedisc
vanish into thin air as something unimportant, by focusing on the
marginal question of its autheticity,

If it>s not authentic, why on earth would you and hundreds of other
"decipherers" waste years of their life on it?

I suppose even if it is a fake, people may think its maker did codify
information worth decipering there.
--
António Marques
--
This signature does not include a prefab parting phrase
** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**

You can prove things to be complete obvious, like I did, indeed! but
it won>t help you a damn, before an authority from the Society of
science has decided to mention your name, and your deed. First by then
your achievement is confirmed
This unsympathetic demonstration of power is here seen again (this
time in connection with an expectant and popular artifact) as always
this behaviour sprouts in silly days, when the crops did fail. Surely
caused by single tortous minds in each case.http://web.gvdnet.dk/GVD002393/phaestos.htm
Regarde
Ole Hagen
P.S. How I wish that Solomon himself was here, or perhaps the Lucasian
man; to judge, whether my discovery is worth "The big note", or not

By principle I always keep my promises - The Phaistos disc-.
It will be gone tomorrow, because this video display a being (Grapheus
saw) who tried his hand on Amadeus twenty years to late. ;-)
Hagenhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA55AQgysfo
[/quote]
Why too late, dear Ole ?..
It>s avery nice thing to be able to play Mozart !..
And, believe me, you will get a lot more satisfaction with it than
being stubornly clung to your fancy solution of the disc>s enigma !..
With my best wishes for the guitar player,
Regards
grapheus

hagen · Guest

On Jul 19, 7:54 pm, "graph...@www.com" <graph...@www.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 19, 5:41 pm, hagen <dan5m...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 19, 4:36 pm, hagen <dan5m...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 16, 1:13 pm, António Marques <m...@sapo.pt> wrote:

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
The attempt to make the clarification of the structure of thedisc
vanish into thin air as something unimportant, by focusing on the
marginal question of its autheticity,

If it>s not authentic, why on earth would you and hundreds of other
"decipherers" waste years of their life on it?

I suppose even if it is a fake, people may think its maker did codify
information worth decipering there.
--
António Marques
--
This signature does not include a prefab parting phrase
** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**

You can prove things to be complete obvious, like I did, indeed! but
it won>t help you a damn, before an authority from the Society of
science has decided to mention your name, and your deed. First by then
your achievement is confirmed
This unsympathetic demonstration of power is here seen again (this
time in connection with an expectant and popular artifact) as always
this behaviour sprouts in silly days, when the crops did fail. Surely
caused by single tortous minds in each case.http://web.gvdnet.dk/GVD002393/phaestos.htm
Regarde
Ole Hagen
P.S. How I wish that Solomon himself was here, or perhaps the Lucasian
man; to judge, whether my discovery is worth "The big note", or not

By principle I always keep my promises - ThePhaistosdisc-.
It will be gone tomorrow, because this video display a being (Grapheus
saw) who tried his hand on Amadeus twenty years to late. ;-)
Hagenhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA55AQgysfo

Why too late, dear Ole ?..
It>s avery nice thing to be able to play Mozart !..
And, believe me, you will get a lot more satisfaction with it than
being stubornly clung to your fancy solution of thedisc>senigma !..
With my best wishes for the guitar player,
Regards
grapheus- Hide quoted text -

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[/quote]
Thank you very much, but you are all wrong in the following opinion.
My greatest gain is my solution of the disc and my exposure of the
hang-dog faces.
Hagen

hagen · Guest

On Jul 16, 4:26 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 16, 7:13 am, António Marques <m...@sapo.pt> wrote:

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
The attempt to make the clarification of the structure of thedisc
vanish into thin air as something unimportant, by focusing on the
marginal question of its autheticity,

If it>s not authentic, why on earth would you and hundreds of other
"decipherers" waste years of their life on it?

I suppose even if it is a fake, people may think its maker did codify
information worth decipering there.

Why wouldn>t it just be random impressions of a bunch of seals?
Wouldn>t that make the fun even more fun, since there would in fact be
nothing there to be "deciphered"?

When they put together Piltdown Man, they obviously didn>t try to make
it a coherent representation of a "missing link"!
[/quote]
Concerning your talking. that the disc has no structure
should settle this little dispute
http://web.gvdnet.dk/GVD002393/triple.htm
regards
hagen

Peter T. Daniels · Guest

On Jul 19, 4:54 pm, hagen <dan5m...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 16, 4:26 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:

On Jul 16, 7:13 am, António Marques <m...@sapo.pt> wrote:

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
The attempt to make the clarification of the structure of thedisc
vanish into thin air as something unimportant, by focusing on the
marginal question of its autheticity,

If it>s not authentic, why on earth would you and hundreds of other
"decipherers" waste years of their life on it?

I suppose even if it is a fake, people may think its maker did codify
information worth decipering there.

Why wouldn>t it just be random impressions of a bunch of seals?
Wouldn>t that make the fun even more fun, since there would in fact be
nothing there to be "deciphered"?

When they put together Piltdown Man, they obviously didn>t try to make
it a coherent representation of a "missing link"!

Concerning your talking. that the disc has no structure
should settle this little disputehttp://web.gvdnet.dk/GVD002393/triple.htm
[/quote]
Where did I say anything at all about the existence or nonexistence of
"structure," whatever you may mean by that?

Franz Gnaedinger · Guest

On Jul 19, 9:46 am, Ruud Harmsen <realemailons...@rudhar.com.invalid>
wrote:
[quote]
I really don>t understand why you don>t simply admit that what you
write is fantasy. It>s nice and interesting as such, but it>s
certainly not science. It>s fantasy, perhaps science fiction. Do you
think you>d diminish it>s value by admiting that? I don>t.
[/quote]
"Archaeology is not an exact science but
a speculative one - a science of imagination"
(Cael de Guichen). Note well: a _science_
of imagination. Goethe attested the artist
an exact sensual phantasy, and a lot of this
_exact_ sensual phantasy is required for
getting an idea of the life, mind and language
of the Ice Age people. Einstein considered
imagination more important than knowledge,
because knowledge is limited, whereas
imagination embraces the whole world ...

The word phantasy contains the root phos
'light', known to us in the form of photon
and photography. I explain the two words
via Magdalenian PAS for everywhere in
a plain: here, south and north of me, east
and west of me, all in all five places. Obvious
derivatives are Greek pas pan for all, every,
and pente penta- for five. Less obvious
derivatives are phos and phantasy, but these
words can be explained as follows: a fire lights
my place (here), but it can also be seen around
me (south and north of me, east and west of me).
I know the place where I live (here), but I am
surrounded by places I don>t know (a wide circle
marked by East, South, West, North). The Known
is surrounded by a wide circle of the Unknown,
which is the realm of imagination, accessible by
our phantasy.

I can travel in every direction, but how do I travel
backward in time? by combining written documents
and archaeological finds. Now the gold ring from
Mokhlos, the altar stone of Mallia, the bronze
double axe from Arkalokhori, the Elaia disk and
the Tiryns disk, the gold signet ring from Tiryns,
and Homer>s Lord Laertes in the Odyssey tell me
a fascinating story of how the edible olive arrived
in the Argolis in the Middle Helladic period of time,
more precisely in the first half of the seventeenth
century BC, earlier than hitherto assumed.

Is this too much phantasy for you? and if so,
what do you think of Einstein who imagined
himself riding on a ray of light?

Franz Gnaedinger · Guest

[quote]"Archaeology is not an exact science but
a speculative one - a science of imagination"
(Cael de Guichen). Note well: a _science_
of imagination. Goethe attested the artist
an exact sensual phantasy, and a lot of this
_exact_ sensual phantasy is required for
getting an idea of the life, mind and language
of the Ice Age people. Einstein considered
imagination more important than knowledge,
because knowledge is limited, whereas
imagination embraces the whole world ...
[/quote]
The killrating mob of sci.lang, led by Panu Petteri
Höglund, got nothing to say that goes beyond
a textbook and has been said much better before,
and so they must take revenge on people who
got ideas and a lot to say.

Apart from TYR Sseyr there is a further link between
Magdalenian and the Tiryns disk and Elaia disk,
namely CO OC LOP Cyclops, this time not as a word
but as a sign. Derk Ohlenroth noticed that two signs
occur frequently at the end of a field, and so they
might perhaps represent the Greek ending -OS ?
This was the key he needed, and, after having studied
the disk(s) for years, he deciphered them within two
hours. The O is given as a shield, and the S as a soldier,
Let us have a look at the O : a circle, in the center a dot,
and six more dots along the circumference. If the circle
represents the wall of a town, the six dots along the
circumference may represent guards watching out,
and the central dot may stand for the king or ruler
as the coordinating mind. CO OC LOP --- with an
active mind (co) eye (oc, especially the right eye)
hedge or fence (lop), the ruler and the guards inside
a fortified camp, the king and watchful soldiers
inside a fortified settlement. If so, a cyclopic wall
wouldn>t be a wall made of blocks only a giant,
a cyclops, can lift, it would mean the wall of an early
town, protected by guards commanded by a king.
A cyclops would then be the symbol of an early town.
The most famous cyclops is Homer>s Polyphem,
literally Much Famous, a one-eyed giant who
resembles more a wooded mountain top than a man
who eats bread. In my opinion, Polyphem is a symbol
of Troy, his one eye the acropolis, his body downtown
Troy, providing protected shelter for 5,000 people in
around 1200 BC, and the blinding of Polyphem would
have been the sacking of Troy, presumably in the
summer of 1184 BC. Now have a look at the Tiryns
disk. You see the king in the center (twice, looking out
in two directions that form a right angle), followed by
soldiers who watch out over the margin that symbolizes
the wall around Tiryns, five soldiers occupy the margin,
some more guard the entrance. This means Tiryns was
another cyclops, and so was Mycenae. A variation of
the sign would have served as Argos Eye, a big dot
surrounded by smaller dots, appearing as tattoos on
the front and cheeks of the watchful plaster head from
Mycenae. CO OC LOP has further derivatives in Greek
kyklos English cycle, and in PIE *kwekwlos wherefrom
English wheel and Sanskrit chakra. Many early towns
were round (Dimini) and had ground plans that evoke
wheels (Nation of Towns in the Transural), furthermore
we may assume that the walls served for astronomical
observations, as indicated by the rosette in the center
of the Tiryns disk, representing a) the former Circular
Building, b) the Zeus temple within, and c) a lunisolar
calendar (a year had eight periods of 45 days,
plus 5 and occasionally 6 days, a week had nine days,
105 weeks are 945 days and correspond to 32 lunations).

Franz Gnaedinger · Guest

Dear Peter Clayton,
thank you for the registration form that arrived
via snail mail. First, I am no Dr, just a Mr, and second
or rather zeroest I won>t be able to participate in
your conference, mainly out of financial reasons,
as I said quite clearly in my first e-mail. Some time
ago I developed a new way of participating in a
scientific conference: by submitting a paper and
inviting interested scholars to exchange e-mails
with me. Some organizers of a conference allow
me to participate in this way. Now in the case
of your conference: it already started in sci.lang,
accessible for everybody via Google and Groups.
I myself consider Jerome Eisenberg>s claim that
the disk may be a fake a PR hoax. Our Peter T.
Daniels, Dr Peter T. Daniels, editor of The World>s
Writing Systems, published in 1996, read the article,
took it seriously and pulverized Eisenberg>s claim,
which weighs only the more as Dr Daniels would
love to get rid of the disk. My opinion in much
detail can be found in the thread started by Daniels,
whom we fondly and simply call Peter: Conference
on the Phaistos Disk (if memory serves).

Sincerely, Franz Gnaedinger, Zurich

On Jul 22, 9:15 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote:
[quote]
Apart from TYR Sseyr there is a further link between
Magdalenian and the Tiryns disk and Elaia disk,
namely CO OC LOP Cyclops, this time not as a word
but as a sign. Derk Ohlenroth noticed that two signs
occur frequently at the end of a field, and so they
might perhaps represent the Greek ending -OS ?
This was the key he needed, and, after having studied
the disk(s) for years, he deciphered them within two
hours. The O is given as a shield, and the S as a soldier,
Let us have a look at the O : a circle, in the center a dot,
and six more dots along the circumference. If the circle
represents the wall of a town, the six dots along the
circumference may represent guards watching out,
and the central dot may stand for the king or ruler
as the coordinating mind. CO OC LOP --- with an
active mind (co) eye (oc, especially the right eye)
hedge or fence (lop), the ruler and the guards inside
a fortified camp, the king and watchful soldiers
inside a fortified settlement. If so, a cyclopic wall
wouldn>t be a wall made of blocks only a giant,
a cyclops, can lift, it would mean the wall of an early
town, protected by guards commanded by a king.
A cyclops would then be the symbol of an early town.
The most famous cyclops is Homer>s Polyphem,
literally Much Famous, a one-eyed giant who
resembles more a wooded mountain top than a man
who eats bread. In my opinion, Polyphem is a symbol
of Troy, his one eye the acropolis, his body downtown
Troy, providing protected shelter for 5,000 people in
around 1200 BC, and the blinding of Polyphem would
have been the sacking of Troy, presumably in the
summer of 1184 BC. Now have a look at the Tiryns
disk. You see the king in the center (twice, looking out
in two directions that form a right angle), followed by
soldiers who watch out over the margin that symbolizes
the wall around Tiryns, five soldiers occupy the margin,
some more guard the entrance. This means Tiryns was
another cyclops, and so was Mycenae. A variation of
the sign would have served as Argos Eye, a big dot
surrounded by smaller dots, appearing as tattoos on
the front and cheeks of the watchful plaster head from
Mycenae. CO OC LOP has further derivatives in Greek
kyklos English cycle, and in PIE *kwekwlos wherefrom
English wheel and Sanskrit chakra. Many early towns
were round (Dimini) and had ground plans that evoke
wheels (Nation of Towns in the Transural), furthermore
we may assume that the walls served for astronomical
observations, as indicated by the rosette in the center
of the Tiryns disk, representing a) the former Circular
Building, b) the Zeus temple within, and c) a lunisolar
calendar (a year had eight periods of 45 days,
plus 5 and occasionally 6 days, a week had nine days,
105 weeks are 945 days and correspond to 32 lunations).[/quote]


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