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Guy Macon · Guest

panteltje@yahoo.com wrote:

[quote]Al wrote:

Microsoft has forbidden vendors from writing XP drivers for their
products. Apparently that is in their contract with computer component
suppliers.

I seriously doubt MS has the power to do that.

I have designed cards for in the PC, who will stop me
from writing an XP driver?
[/quote]
Are you a vendor who resells Windows on you OEM computers?
Or a subcontractor who sells cards to same? If not, you don>t
fit into the "Microsoft vendor" classification mentioned above.

I have not been able to confirm the above claim about Microsoft
forbidding vendors from writing XP drivers, but I so know that
Microsoft has been forcing vendors to put "[company name]
recomends Microsoft Windows Vista" in their ads for a long time:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22recommends+microsoft+windows+vista%22
so it is not unreasonable to expect them to force the vendors to
do other things.

--
Guy Macon
<http://www.GuyMacon.com/>

Mark Zenier · Guest

In article <QIT8k.1349$np7.644@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com>,
Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:
[quote]
That would be the end of it for me since it would could ban all foreign
language groups that start with their country domain. Time to look for a
new ISP.
[/quote]
You don>t need to get a new ISP, unless you feel the need to protest.
You can subscribe to a third party NSP, which will give you an account
name and password that you put into your newsreader/browser and access
is pretty much the same. Most news access is now through third party
NSPs, but they use your IP address (and check with an authorization
server at your ISP) to determine whether you need to go through the
verification process or not.

Mark Zenier mzenier@eskimo.com
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

Don Bowey · Guest

On 6/28/08 5:01 AM, in article
1a02f740-a13e-43ad-acf1-90579e00a1b2@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com,
"bill.sloman@ieee.org" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

(snip)

[quote]
The NRA much touted anecdote about armed citizens shooting burglars
ignores the fact that is that this hardly ever happens,and the most
likely target of a home-owners gun is the home-owner themself
(closely followed by their nearest and dearest) who exploit their
defensive weaponry to shoor themselves dead in moments of suicidal
depression. There are many other means of committing suicide while the
balance of your mind is temporarily disturbed, but few succeed as
frequently as the hand-gun.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
[/quote]
But it does still happen that armed citizens shoot, wounding or killing,
someone threatening them. For a very recent example, see:

http://www.kptv.com/news/16729310/detail.html#-

The armed citizen will not be charged with a crime.

The thief was fortunate. He was only shot in the hand with bird-shot
pellets. Had it been my gun, he would have been shot somewhere mid-body
with a .357 slug.

I think I>ll see if I can buy some bird-shot loads for my .357. I don>t
really want to kill anyone threatening me, but I do plan to stop them. My
hollow-point bullets seem a bit extreme, but it is what was advised.

Joerg · Guest

Guy Macon wrote:
[quote]panteltje@yahoo.com wrote:

Al wrote:

Microsoft has forbidden vendors from writing XP drivers for their
products. Apparently that is in their contract with computer component
suppliers.
I seriously doubt MS has the power to do that.

I have designed cards for in the PC, who will stop me
from writing an XP driver?

Are you a vendor who resells Windows on you OEM computers?
Or a subcontractor who sells cards to same? If not, you don>t
fit into the "Microsoft vendor" classification mentioned above.

I have not been able to confirm the above claim about Microsoft
forbidding vendors from writing XP drivers, but I so know that
Microsoft has been forcing vendors to put "[company name]
recomends Microsoft Windows Vista" in their ads for a long time:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22recommends+microsoft+windows+vista%22
so it is not unreasonable to expect them to force the vendors to
do other things.

[/quote]
Until one of them throws a hissy fit and drops a line to an attorney
general who is hungry for some media exposure.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

John Larkin · Guest

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:31:59 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
<td_03@att.net.invalid> wrote:

[quote]
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
message news:lj5b64hvoe9iclcrjjnggqirr9usq69po5@4ax.com

Judith Martin says it better than I ever could:

http://www.amazon.com/Miss-Manners-Rescues-Civilization-Harassment/dp/0517701642/ref=pd_bbs_sr_11?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214617146&sr=8-11

She is brilliant, and understands perfectly that manners are a lot
more important than using the right fork. She also understands that
you can be vicious without being rude.

I would love to know how to be vicious and polite.
[/quote]
Read her book. It>s good stuff, theory and practice.

[quote]
Jim>s just in a bad mood. He won the ruling for Christ>s sake.

Most of your messages in the thread are missing. You don>t use google
groups sometimes do you?
[/quote]
Supernews.

John

JosephKK · Guest

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:41:07 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

[quote]On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:21:39 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

On Jun 23, 8:31?pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:39:28 -0700, Joerg

notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net> wrote:
BobW wrote:
"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:dnb064thflqhlul72bd0g7fu5kfgv5sfug@4ax.com...
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:20:12 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
ftp://66.117.156.8/LostTheirMinds.JPG

Who dunnit?
It>s a Fairchild synchronous switcher, actually a very nice part
electrically.

http://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/FA/FAN2103.html

They did an eval board, but it didn>t work (!) so they>ll have to spin
it. So the sample is untestable.

I think we>ll go with the National TSSOP-20 equivalent, with a single
power pad on the bottom. This Fairchild thing would be a nightmare to
rework.

I>ve started seeing a number of parts with multiple, funny-shaped
power pads on the bottom.

John

Ahhh...it>s 0.65mm pitch. No big deal unless you>ve got a bad case of
presbyopia and can>t even see 0.100" pitch parts and have to carry around an
effing magnifying glass everywhere you go and have started wearing reading
glasses and can>t believe you>re no longer twenty years old and get PISSED
OFF everytime you start to think about it!!!

Time to get a red sports car and matching girlfriend?

I got the sports car (280Z) when I turned 47. ?Now (at 68) I drive a
pick-em-up truck ;-)

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | ? ?mens ? ? |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? et ? ? ?|
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC>s and Discrete Systems ?| ? ?manus ? ?|
| Phoenix, Arizona ?85048 ? ?Skype: Contacts Only ?| ? ? ? ? ? ? |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 ?Fax: Available upon request | ?Brass Rat ?|
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| ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?|
| ? ? ? ?America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave ? ? ? ? |
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Around here, the older they get, the bigger the cars get.
Sure you won>t change your mind and seek out a 70>s-something
Eldorado?? :)

-mpm

Right now I also have a Q45. But I rented a Cadillac SUV a while back
when I was in Riverside, CA, that impressed me.

What>s with all the "?" marks above in the quoted text? Result of
Outhouse Excuse ?:-)

...Jim Thompson
[/quote]
Cack, Jim. Just tap the "H" key and see for yourself, Mozilla 4.0 or
a variant.

JeffM · Guest

Electronic Elephant wrote:
[quote]our company wants to buy Cadence>s design tools, especial "OrCAD"
[/quote]
Very poor choice.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.cad/msg/188819871645e4cf?q=continues-to-leverage+zzz+will.no.longer+unwieldu-*+End-of-*
(unwieldu == unwieldy)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.cad/browse_frm/thread/b24876849e22418a/b330a2d925e42561?q=Orcad>s-new-policy-of-doing-programming-in-India-has-caused-lots-of-problems-in-the-new-releases
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/5b2196c147d41ab5/5891b122064cecea?q=*.*.*.*.*.program.*.has.*.bug.*.*.*.*.*.*+zzz+*.*.NO.WAY.the.*.board.could.be.*.faulty+mung.*.the.net.list+serious.bug+OrCAD+If.the.*.schematic.is.correct+moved-*-*-to-India+qq+scarry

JeffM · Guest

Jim Thompson wrote:
[quote]I know nfilter doesn>t look in the body,
but the "References" header allows me to kill follow-ups.

Where can I view a copy of the source code?
Maybe I can bribe my son to add some features ;-)
[/quote]
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:nfilter.org+source.code
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:qdEjvPbl7V0J:www.nfilter.org/download.html+source.code

JeffM · Guest

[quote]mpm <mpmillard@ aol.com> wrote:
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ...Jim Thompson

Jim Thompson wrote:
What>s with all the "?" marks above in the quoted text?

Too stubborn to read posts with his username in the Subject line.[/quote]
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/ffb3958a0de506f9?q=instead-click-on+THAT-*-link+*-Reply-at-the-bottom-*-*-*+DO-NOT+More.Options+blockquoting+zzz+weird-looking-posts

[quote]Result of Outhouse Excuse ?:-)

Google Groups.[/quote]

JosephKK · Guest

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:24:23 -0500, "amdx" <amdx@knology.net> wrote:

[quote]
"amdx" <amdx@knology.net> wrote in message
news:27488$486057f1$18d6b40c$9908@KNOLOGY.NET...

a7yvm109gf5d1@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:4935f345-aa11-4b43-82b0-ad5763f9d8d6@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 23, 9:37 pm, "amdx" <a...@knology.net> wrote:
I want to build the swr meter pictured in the url below.
The swr meter uses a BAT 62-03W. I want to buy 10.
Digi-key will sell me 3000, Mouser and Allied don>t carry them.
Any leads where I can purchase just a few.
Thanks,
Mikehttp://pe2er.nl/wifiswr/

What>s so special about these diodes?
You can get all kinds of other Schottkys on Digikey that are in stock.

I don>t know? There to be used at 2.4ghz, I>ll check recovery time and
see if there is
something comparable. Any other spec I should concern myself with?
Mike
Recovery time doesn>t seem to be a spec they list. Capacitance is .35pf

[/quote]
Recovery time is a power diode spec, not a rf detector spec.

Jim Thompson · Guest

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:19:21 -0700, JosephKK <quiettechblue@yahoo.com>
wrote:

[quote]On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:41:07 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

[snip]

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | ? ?mens ? ? |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? et ? ? ?|
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC>s and Discrete Systems ?| ? ?manus ? ?|
| Phoenix, Arizona ?85048 ? ?Skype: Contacts Only ?| ? ? ? ? ? ? |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 ?Fax: Available upon request | ?Brass Rat ?|
| E-mail Icon athttp://www.analog-innovations.com| ? ?1962 ? ? |
| ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?|
| ? ? ? ?America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave ? ? ? ? |
| ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?|
| ?Due to excessive spam, googlegroups, UAR & AIOE are blocked! ?|- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Around here, the older they get, the bigger the cars get.
Sure you won>t change your mind and seek out a 70>s-something
Eldorado?? :)

-mpm

Right now I also have a Q45. But I rented a Cadillac SUV a while back
when I was in Riverside, CA, that impressed me.

What>s with all the "?" marks above in the quoted text? Result of
Outhouse Excuse ?:-)

...Jim Thompson

Cack, Jim. Just tap the "H" key and see for yourself, Mozilla 4.0 or
a variant.

[/quote]
Here>s what Agent shows as your headers. I don>t see Mozilla in there
anywhere. What character set are you using? My reader is set at
us-ascii, utf-8

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...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC>s and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
| |
| Vote Barack... Help Make America an Obama-nation |
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| Due to excessive spam, googlegroups, UAR & AIOE are blocked! |

JosephKK · Guest

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:58:07 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

[quote]On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:20:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:24:23 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

nfilter/NewsProxy will crash every time while trying to retrieve the
body of this message...

Subject: Converting Excel 2007 Nested "If" Statement to Excel 2003:
Overcom

Is there something there that nfilter/NewsProxy "sees" as code??

Weird.

...Jim Thompson

I posted the same subject and retrieved it successfully with
nfilter/NewsProxy.

Can someone please retrieve this message...

609ED9AF-F597-4C6D-8F82-D6BE2388A86C@microsoft.com

and see if there>s anything unusual about it?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson

It dawned on me that I can access via google, I got...

=IF(E33<=250000,(180000*0%)+(E33-180000)*(VLOOKUP(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))
*VLOOKUP(E33,Marginal_Tax_2009,3),IF(E33<=350000,(250000*0.5%)+(E33-250000)
*(VLOOKUP(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))*VLOOKUP(E33,Marginal_Tax_2009,3),IF(E33
=400000,(350000*0.75%)+(E33-350000)*(VLOOKUP(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))
*VLOOKUP(E33,Marginal_Tax_2009,3),IF(E33<=450000,(400000*1.5%)+(E33-400000)
*(VLOOKUP(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))*VLOOKUP(E33,Marginal_Tax_2009,3),IF(E33
=550000,(450000*2.5%)+(E33-450000)*(VLOOKUP(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))
*VLOOKUP(E33,Marginal_Tax_2009,3),IF(E33<=650000,(550000*3.5%)+(E33-550000)
*(VLOOKUP(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))*VLOOKUP(E33,Marginal_Tax_2009,3),IF(E33
=750000,(650000*4.5%)+(E33-650000)*(VLOOKUP(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))*VLOOKUP
(E33,Marginal_Tax_2009,3),IF(E33<=900000,(750000*6%)+(E33-750000)*(VLOOKUP
(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))*VLOOKUP(E33,Marginal_Tax_2009,3),IF(E33<=1050000,
(900000*7.5%)+(E33-900000)*(VLOOKUP(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))*VLOOKUP(E33,
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(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))*VLOOKUP(E33,Marginal_Tax_2009,3),IF(E33<=1450000,
(1200000*10%)+(E33-1200000)*(VLOOKUP(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))*VLOOKUP(E33,
Marginal_Tax_2009,3),IF(E33<=1700000,(1450000*11%)+(E33-1450000)*(VLOOKUP
(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))*VLOOKUP(E33,Marginal_Tax_2009,3),IF(E33<=1950000,
(1700000*12.5%)+(E33-1700000)*(VLOOKUP(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))*VLOOKUP(E33,
Marginal_Tax_2009,3),IF(E33<=2250000,(1950000*14%)+(E33-1950000)*(VLOOKUP
(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))*VLOOKUP(E33,Marginal_Tax_2009,3),IF(E33<=2850000,
(2250000*15%)+(E33-2250000)*(VLOOKUP(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))*VLOOKUP(E33,
Marginal_Tax_2009,3),IF(E33<=3550000,(2850000*16%)+(E33-2850000)*(VLOOKUP
(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))*VLOOKUP(E33,Marginal_Tax_2009,3),IF(E33<=4550000,
(3550000*17.5%)+(E33-3550000)*(VLOOKUP(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))*VLOOKUP(E33,
Marginal_Tax_2009,3),IF(E33<=8650000,(4550000*18.5%)+(E33-4550000)*
(VLOOKUP(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))*VLOOKUP(E33,Marginal_Tax_2009,3),IF(E33
8650000,(8650000*19%)+(E33-8650000)*(VLOOKUP(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))
*VLOOKUP(E33,Marginal_Tax_2009,3))))))))))))))))))))

But all in one line :-(

...Jim Thompson
[/quote]
NewsProxy only cares about headers, i know i have looked at the source
(it is freely available). I went to the link provided with Agent and
picked up the content easily. Here it is for a comparison:

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KUP(E33,Tax_Slabs_2009,3))*VLOOKUP(E33,Marginal_Tax_2009,3))))))))))))))))))))

):-))

Simon S Aysdie · Guest

On Jun 26, 6:12 pm, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
[quote]"Simon S Aysdie" <gwh...@ti.com> wrote in messagenews:0de0f3e9-864c-44fc-8e9a-b1ff032c6929@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

This is incorrect. You talk of the "rights" of these prisoners.
"Rights" for people occur when they are in a State of Society with
each other (at peace, basically), but this is decidely not the case.

Well, I believe in certain "human rights," even for people who, yes, are out
to kill you. After all, the U.S. constitution claims our basic rights come
from our "creator," not from man, right?
[/quote]
Um, it does not work that way and is essentially non sequitur -- the
constitution is referring to people living (in peace) under the rule-
of-law, which quite explicitly is not the case for a state of war (or
of nature).

[quote]I>m not suggesting the folks in Gitmo should have all the same rights a
regular U.S. citizen would, of course.
[/quote]
They have _no rights_ (none, zip, nada), as a state of war/conflict/
nature persists. Any rights they may have had were forgone the moment
they became part of an aggression. Really, they could be executed at
any time, and no rights would be violated because they do not have
any. Now the basic reason for the sections of the Geneva Convention
calling for humane treatment of prisoners is because it is widely
recognized that the foot soldier is usually nothing more than a pawn
in a war of titans. It is more or less a recognition that hostilities
will end sometime, and "if you want your guys back in decent shape,
then you better give our guys back in decent shape." But note "humane
treatment" says nothing itself about human rights. Humane treatment
is something you can give to an animal, and an animal has no (human)
rights. The rank of a prisoner is frankly not above that of an
animal, as the prisoner was a force of nature threatening survival,
not a "peaceful member" of the _wider_ population living under a rule-
of-law (peaceful interpersonal conduct).

[quote]As a matter of survival, the aggressed can take _any_ action action
against the aggressor within their power to ensure their survival.
They can take this action for as long as the State of Nature exists.

So why not just nuke Iraq and get it over with? Far cheaper than this
seemingly-endless war we>re fighting over there.
[/quote]
Where did that come out of? No, "collateral damage" is not
acceptable. The parties (aggressor and aggressee, regardless of the
assignment) must confine the use of violent force to themselves, or
they face justified counterforce against them by these third parties
that were "caught in the crossfire," regardless if the party causing
the collateral damage was initially the party aggressed against. I
mean, causing collateral damage can broaden the state of nature/war
across even greater populations.

[quote]Since Al-Qaeda has not
denounced their attack, surrendered, or even so much as said they will
permanently end hostilities, a State of Nature between Al-Qaeda and
the USA still exists.

Al-Qaeda is a rather loosely organized entity that>s specifically modeled that
way so that it is pretty much impossible for them to ever be "cleanly"
defeated. This is just like, say, Napster vs. Gnutella compared to WW II vs.
the 2nd Iraqi war here: The new guys (Gnutella, Al-Qaeda) learned from the old
guys that, if you distribute yourself widely enough, it>s impossible to ever
be shut down.
[/quote]
If that is the case, and the aggressive intentions of Al-Qaeda
continue, then the captured associates of Al-Qaeda do not recover any
human rights and they may be imprisoned indefinitely by the US. This
is the nature of an ongoing state of nature/war. It always has been.
Like I said, these prisoners don>t get to play a cheap legal trick
just cuz they decided to fight unconventionally.

[quote]This is for the rather obvious reason
that if released, they would/could simply re-enlist and again threaten
the survival of the aggressed.

I>m all for the immediate death penalty of any enemy combatant who>s found to
have re-enlisted.
[/quote]
They have no rights, and didn>t the moment they became part of an
aggression. "You" can kill them or imprison them, whatever "you"
want, because they don>t have the rights of a human being from the
perspective of the other side.

[quote]I have to get going so I don>t have time to properly respond to the rest of
your comments, but I do appreciate your taking the time to write them, even
though I don>t agree with all of them.
[/quote]
This is all rudimentary "State of Nature" and "State of Society"
stuff. Granted, you can get all sorts of perversions of these
fundamentals, including interpretations from government and legal
"experts." Don>t count on court rulings and legislation to get it
right. Most lawyers suck. And then they become judges or legislators
(politicians).

If some living thing threatens your survival, you can justifiably kill
it. If human, the attacker forgoes consideration as a full member of
a rule-of-law society/population (and its protections) the moment they
engage in the life-threatening action.

krw · Guest

In article <Xns9ACACCD17F0D3jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.84>,
jyanik@abuse.gov says...
[quote]krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote in
news:MPG.22ceefc29e1b6b12989dfa@news.individual.net:

In article <Xns9AC99E447FDE5jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.85>,
jyanik@abuse.gov says...
"Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:cAR8k.196294$pm2.144365@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com
wrote in message news:vdo76493t384ct0efvjb8g6hpi08g2opev@4ax.com...
Shoot 'em on the field I say, shoot 'em on the field ;-)

Detaining them back in Iraq and having field martials there would
have solved a lot of the problem to. Bringing so many of them back
to Gitmo seems, in retrospect, to have been a strategic error.

It>s called INTERNMENT.

Heck,they have it better there than they did back in their own
country.

(BTW,many of the unlawful enemy combatants are not even from
Iraq....they are FOREIGN nationals)

How many were even captured in Iraq?

OK,many were not Afghanis,instead foreign nationals.

I suspect that those unlawful combatants captured in Iraq stay in
Iraq,under the control of Iraq.

Exactly. Iraq was brought into this discussion, as it always is, as[/quote]
a red herring to support a severely sagging argument.

--
Keith


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