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Rich Grise
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:07 am    Post subject: Re: China now equals US in space Reply with quote

On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:50:19 -0700, mrdarrett wrote:
[quote]On Sep 28, 11:14 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Their mission control looks better then NASA>s.

Lots of Chinese stuff "looks" good.

http://poligazette.com/2008/09/26/china-fakes-space-report/

Well, they have to manage zillions of people,
give them some goal.

A terawatt of solar panels in the desert would be nice.

Yeah, good idea - but from where comes the 10-20 terabucks to[/quote]
get them?

Thanks,
Rich
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:16 am    Post subject: Re: China now equals US in space Reply with quote

Rich Grise wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:50:19 -0700, mrdarrett wrote:
On Sep 28, 11:14 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Their mission control looks better then NASA>s.
Lots of Chinese stuff "looks" good.
http://poligazette.com/2008/09/26/china-fakes-space-report/
Well, they have to manage zillions of people,
give them some goal.
A terawatt of solar panels in the desert would be nice.

Yeah, good idea - but from where comes the 10-20 terabucks to
get them?
[/quote]
Not that much, maybe around 2 to 3 terabucks.
About the cost of an Iraq war plus a capitalism bailout.
Both money well spent eh? Better than wasted on industry with something
to show for it afterwards.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff
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TheM
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:30 am    Post subject: Re: China now equals US in space Reply with quote

"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk.bruere@gmail.com> wrote in message news:6l7akfFb2dkaU1@mid.individual.net...
[quote]Not that much, maybe around 2 to 3 terabucks.
About the cost of an Iraq war plus a capitalism bailout.
Both money well spent eh? Better than wasted on industry with something to show for it afterwards.

--
Dirk
[/quote]
Yeah, you could show those endless fields of PV to the collateral, resulting starving
unemployed millions; that would be something to show for it.

M
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gabydewilde
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:36 am    Post subject: Re: Inertial drive Reply with quote

On Oct 10, 2:09 am, Aetherist <TheAether...@best.net> wrote:
[quote]
Ok, let>s say you have a big pillow in your hand and a baseball
bat swinging toward>s your head.   Would you put the pillow in
front or not?  Same momentum in the bat both with or without.

Get it yet???

[/quote]
If you don>t put the pillow in front of your head the baseball bat
will bounce back on your wooden skull.

Clearly the kinetic energy stays inside the baseball bat.

Another example:

Billiard ball nr 1 hits ball nr 2

Unless you hit it in the center there will be a whole lot of sidewards
motion.


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Jan Panteltje
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:48 am    Post subject: Re: China now equals US in space Reply with quote

On a sunny day (Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:30:19 +0200) it happened "TheM"
<DontNeedSpam@test.com> wrote in <wLuHk.4488$x84.122202@news.siol.net>:

[quote]"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk.bruere@gmail.com> wrote in message news:6l7akfFb2dkaU1@mid.individual.net...
Not that much, maybe around 2 to 3 terabucks.
About the cost of an Iraq war plus a capitalism bailout.
Both money well spent eh? Better than wasted on industry with something to show for it afterwards.

--
Dirk

Yeah, you could show those endless fields of PV to the collateral, resulting starving
unemployed millions; that would be something to show for it.

M
[/quote]
If you could use electricity to make clean water and food,
and water is simple, my air de-humifier makes clear water,
there are better ways too, and food, and the rest of the electricity to
run the FED money printing presses, mmm
I did think some days ago, maybe USA should be changed to USSA
United Socialist States of America.

I find it really funny times: first he robs you of your freedom and privacy by
reading your emails, then he robs you of your money with high oil prices and
sends it to Saudi Arabia, then he robs you of your life savings by forcing
a panic in the markets, and he bought all that with a small tax cut,
and now he robs you of the taxes you payed and gives it to the banks.
I know many in the USA cannot read and write, but getting ripped that way makes
you wonder about their other capabilities too.
Every living soul in the US now has a > 30000 $ debt.

ahum
LOL
Did you see how volatile gold is these days? Up 30% one day down 20% the other.

And what has really changed? Nothing.

Bush is just doing his panic thing, same as after 9/11, why not lock him
up? that would stabilise the world.
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Rich the Philosophizer
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:57 am    Post subject: Re: Young Earth Reply with quote

On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:19:56 +0000, me wrote:
[quote]bulegoge@columbus.rr.com wrote:

He is only allowed to attack your silly beliefs. His silly beliefs
(er - I mean totally scientific, objective and well thought out
beliefs) are not open to scrutiny.

I expressed no beliefs. I simply asked you whether you have a
single shred of actual evidence that your invisible friend up
in the sky exists.
[/quote]
I>ve tried to explain, but you reject my answer because it conflicts
with your faith. "Atheists" are even more dogmatic than most fundies.

What I>m trying to explain is that there is no such thing as an "invisible
friend up in the sky" - that>s your terminology; evidently you>re not
ready to take on any larger concepts.

Oh, well, some people can>t heal in their present form.

Good Luck!
Rich
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Rich the Philosophizer
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:01 am    Post subject: Re: Young Earth Reply with quote

On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:34:37 -0600, donald wrote:
[quote]Rich the Philosophizer wrote:

-- For more information, please feel free to visit
http://www.godxxxchannel.com

For the best information, visit:
http://www.godchecker.com/

PS: When did god(tm) start channeling to you?
[/quote]
He hasn>t - the channelers on his website do it for him.
You can read about it here:
http://www.godchannel.com/channelers.html

But you insist that it couldn>t possibly be true, because it conflicts
with your dogma. You consistently try to refute something that you refuse
to even read, a lot like the warmingists and their ilk.

Cheers!
Rich
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gabydewilde
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:13 am    Post subject: Re: Inertial drive Reply with quote

On Oct 8, 1:43 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
[quote]Acceleration is the the same as deceleration, with a negative sign
(acceleration has either, use both and you>ll see why it doesn>t
work).

[/quote]
It>s pretty retarded to make a bullshit based analogy draped with
signs of negativity. I know your kind, your kind of people dedicate
their lives to looking for a cheap skate cop-out excuse not to ever do
anything. This is why you can never accomplished anything other than
acting like a retard. You start out with assuring yourself you are a
failure. As if even that wasn>t obvious to you.

I think you should learn to keep the retarded remarks to yourself and
not drool all over the usenet. I have all this nice hard worked
documentation here and you just made sure you wont get to see any of
it. You didn>t think I was going to make effort to defend my invention
talking with a dismissive idiot did you?

[quote]But more importantly,
"With financial institutions continuing to fail on Wall Street,
Hollywood has experienced what one economist called "The worst crisis
ever for celebrity wealth." According to statistics obtained
exclusively by Dateline Hollywood, the average A-list celebrity stock
portfolio has fallen 35% this week, with some stars losing as much as
72% of their wealth. "
http://www.datelinehollywood.com/dateline_hollywood/2008/09/celebrity...

So you think they>re ripe for picking?  Go fer it.

[/quote]
That was specially for people like you.

Kinda gives away how predictable you are doesn>t it?

http://www.datelinehollywood.com/dateline_hollywood/2008/09/lindsay-lohan-s..html
She recently transformed herself into a political blogger on her
MySpace page, and now Lindsay Lohan has announced that she has
suspended her relationship with Samantha Ronson so she can focus on
the bailout plan for Wall Street. She wrote it about it in her blog
this morning:

LOOK Keith!!! Isn>t this amazing!??!?!?!

It>s so you!

She wrote it about it in her blog this morning!!!

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donald
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:37 am    Post subject: Re: Young Earth Reply with quote

Rich the Philosophizer wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:34:37 -0600, donald wrote:
Rich the Philosophizer wrote:

-- For more information, please feel free to visit
http://www.godxxxchannel.com

For the best information, visit:
http://www.godchecker.com/

PS: When did god(tm) start channeling to you?

He hasn>t - the channelers on his website do it for him.
You can read about it here:
http://www.godchannel.com/channelers.html

But you insist that it couldn>t possibly be true, because it conflicts
with your dogma. You consistently try to refute something that you refuse
to even read, a lot like the warmingists and their ilk.

Cheers!
Rich

LOL, isn>t this fun.[/quote]

Pick you favorite dogma:

http://www.godchecker.com/

donald
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:44 am    Post subject: Re: China now equals US in space Reply with quote

TheM wrote:
[quote]"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk.bruere@gmail.com> wrote in message news:6l7akfFb2dkaU1@mid.individual.net...
Not that much, maybe around 2 to 3 terabucks.
About the cost of an Iraq war plus a capitalism bailout.
Both money well spent eh? Better than wasted on industry with something to show for it afterwards.

--
Dirk

Yeah, you could show those endless fields of PV to the collateral, resulting starving
unemployed millions; that would be something to show for it.
[/quote]
And your solution is that when greedy bankers screw up - give them
*your* money? that>ll teach 'em...

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff
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gabydewilde
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:58 am    Post subject: Re: Inertial drive Reply with quote

On Oct 10, 5:30 am, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
[quote]
Negativity? Me?  Hardly.  I>m positive that you>re full of shit.

Ohhh.  I>m sorry.
[/quote]
Video of the test ( size 108 kb )
http://jnaudin.free.fr/videos/impdem.rm

and of course....

http://www.datelinehollywood.com/dateline_hollywood/2008/10/the-5-new-angel..html
Angelina Jolie showed off her new tattoos over the weekend at the
premiere of her new movie "Changeling." The tattoos appear on her
left arm and Dateline Hollywood was able to use digital technology to
cleary see her 5 new tattoos. From our analysis, it appears to be a To
Do List on her arm and it>s a suprising list. We>re not sure why she
would share this personal information with the world. We>re still
trying to figure that out. In the meantime, here are her five new
tattoos after being digitally enhanced.

Have you managed to figure it out already?

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Aetherist
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:09 am    Post subject: Re: Inertial drive Reply with quote

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 06:43:34 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

[quote]In article <39cc6a4b-327a-4989-a7fc-
96cb1eb17dda@s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, fototour@gmail.com
says...
On Oct 8, 4:14 am, Aetherist <TheAether...@best.net> wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:08:18 -0700, Aetherist <TheAether...@best.net> wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 05:34:24 +1000, "Timo A. Nieminen" <t...@physics.uq.edu.au> wrote:

On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Aetherist wrote:

Snip...



There are some very novel and interesting concepts in this area.  The
classic propellant-less drive is a simple rod which has a spring coiled
around its center.  On each end is mounted a stop plug.  There are two
plungers fitted on either side of the spring that can travel along the
rod.  The plungers are compressed against the spring and then released.
they then travel in opposite directions along the rod until impacting
the stop plugs.  One stop lug is metal, the other a cotton wad.  The
difference in efficency of transfering the plunger>s energy to the
rod, rather tan the cotton and rod, will propel the rod in one direction.

This also will work, but so far as I know, has found no practical
applications...

Why do you think this would work? Was Newton so wrong?

I don>t think Newton IS wrong.  Momentum is alway a vector, energy is not.
If I have two equally energetic masses who>s vectors are, intially in
opposing directions.  Assuming that we imparted this energy as vectors at
the same time the the net momentum to the imparting device is zero.

The question is, how do we dissapate the kinetic energy.  In the
description I provided, one side 'impacts' the rod stop with the rigid
plumger transfering all the plunger>s energy (thus momentum) into
the rod stop along the line of travel.  On the other end the cotton
acts to dissapate (randomize the plunger>s momentum) into other
directions reducing the amount that is transfered back along the
original direction.  In both cases, total momentum and energy is
conserved, just that some of the momentum at one end does not remain
coherrent.

 Eureka!

 I found the description of this.

 http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hbimp35.htm

Explain "efficiency".
[/quote]
Ok, let>s say you have a big pillow in your hand and a baseball
bat swinging toward>s your head. Would you put the pillow in
front or not? Same momentum in the bat both with or without.

Get it yet???

[quote]Not sure if he was for real but some nasa person kept saying it
existed but he wasn>t allowed to talk about it. My design ended his
frustration and he said "THERE YOU HAVE IT COMPLETELY OPEN SOURCE!"
after that everyone lost interest. hahahaha

http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/gdewilde-anti-gravity

acceleration has a reaction force
deceleration has a reaction force

Acceleration is the the same as deceleration, with a negative sign
(acceleration has either, use both and you>ll see why it doesn>t
work).

If a mass accelerates in one direction then decelerates while moving
back both reaction forces point in the same direction.

I assume you mean "moving back" = returning to the original
position. How does this work? You can>t accelerate in one
direction and then decelerate in the other (with no acceleration in
between.

But more importantly,
"With financial institutions continuing to fail on Wall Street,
Hollywood has experienced what one economist called "The worst crisis
ever for celebrity wealth." According to statistics obtained
exclusively by Dateline Hollywood, the average A-list celebrity stock
portfolio has fallen 35% this week, with some stars losing as much as
72% of their wealth. "
http://www.datelinehollywood.com/dateline_hollywood/2008/09/celebrity-stock.html

So you think they>re ripe for picking? Go fer it.

O noes!!

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The Great Attractor
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:26 am    Post subject: Re: China now equals US in space Reply with quote

On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:07:14 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

[quote]On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:50:19 -0700, mrdarrett wrote:
On Sep 28, 11:14 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Their mission control looks better then NASA>s.

Lots of Chinese stuff "looks" good.

http://poligazette.com/2008/09/26/china-fakes-space-report/

Well, they have to manage zillions of people,
give them some goal.

A terawatt of solar panels in the desert would be nice.

Yeah, good idea - but from where comes the 10-20 terabucks to
get them?

Thanks,
Rich

[/quote]

First we Annex Mexico as a series of new states. Then we put them
there, built and operated by Mexicans, and even helping the "grid" in
Mex-ica! as well as Amer-ica! :-)

There are new solar panel films in the works as we speak. More
efficient, so actually cheaper on a per watt basis. It>s getting better
all the time...

Will it all matter after (maybe before) 12-21-2012?

It>s a Mayan World! "They>re BACK!"

Hahahahha!
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gabydewilde
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:34 am    Post subject: Re: Inertial drive Reply with quote

On Oct 10, 5:59 am, Aetherist <TheAether...@best.net> wrote:
[quote]I>ve seen it work, hell it>s so easy to build anyone
can try it for themselves..
[/quote]
Believe it or not John Searl invented that what looks to me like the
most successful version I have jet seen described. It>s quite ironic,
Searl doesn>t want to share how his flying saucer powers it self and
how it flies but he DID explain his inertial propulsion system. The
flying saucer contains flywheels the outer one containing what he
calls plungers. The plungers attached to the outer ring spin around
along with the flywheel at great speed. The wheel is obviously well
balanced, homogeneous and symmetrically. In order to accelerate the
levitating craft a plunger is released which immediately bounces back
in line restoring the symmetry. This of course delivers a tremendous
linear blow. If so desired another plunger is released. It can thus
therefor keep on accelerating indefinitely with the structural
strength being the only limitation presented onto the rate of
acceleration thereof. Searl calculated it capable of reaching the moon
within an hour. This of course strongly depends on the validity of his
fuelless engine. He has been trying to bring it to the market since
1960 and was imprisoned for not paying tax over self-made electricity.
When he was released his tools and prototype had been sold as scrap
metal, all his paperwork was gone even his photos and news articles.
The trial didn>t prove anything, John confessed he was guilty of the
accusation under the false impression it would finally revolutionise
the world. The court was all to happy to lock him away. Not uncommon
for free energy inventors. But, Searl makes lots of unbelievable
claims, if it wasn>t for his inertial propulsion drive I would have
just ignored him. I decided to look over his claims and attempt to
validate the weirdest of all. This was his claim people would cure
faster when standing close to the generator. Now he already claimed
free energy, magnetomechanical levitation, cheap DEEP space travel AND
inertial propulsion. It seemed to me this medical claim of his was not
going to do his credibility any good. From the interviews I concluded
he really believed it was true. So I investigated the claim then I
discovered the world of electromedicine. Apparently an over decorated
professor with heaps of honorary degrees had already invented radio
medicine in early 1900.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3807238317495330586

http://www.rife.org/

From this point on I was unable to pin Searl>s medical claims on John
Searl. Royal Raymond Rife had already invented the cure for all
diseases 50 years earlier. Rife was paved with diplomas and free
funding.

"The end of all diseases"
http://www.rense.com/general31/rife.htm

Anyway, Searl>s generator apparently uses the same power source as
viruses do. Here is a short rundown on last years events.

24 April 2007
Prof. Searl and his backer met with a solicitor and with patent
officials. One of them was a scientist whose task was to certify if
the invention can be marketed. The meeting concluded with a positive
confirmation from the officials that this invention can be so
marketed.

11 June 2007
From Israel and Malta, Prof. Searl>s guests are Engineers in the field
of rocket and solar energy systems. They have taken the first steps
towards producing the SEG from their respective countries.

Thanks to the commitment of our team members and supporters of this
project, we can now confirm that the four material layers needed to
construct the first SEG Plate has now been realized as shown within
this image. The precision machining of these materials will be within
10 microns and it is expected to take up 3 months to complete. Note
that each ring layer has an individual electronic function, working
all together to form a unique solid state magnetic diode.

15 June 2007
Professor John R. R. Searl is honored to receive for the second year
in a row, the 2007 Loris Hemlof Prize for Best Free Energy Technology
along with a contribution of £500 pounds sterling.
This award was considered among over 100+ energy technologies listed
by Loris Erik Kent Hemlof home page at: http://www.users.on.net/~lekh/

25 June 2007
Prof. John Searl has accepted the invitation to Thailand and an
agreement has been reached. Thailand will become the first
international country to start the development and manufacturing of
the Searl Effect Technology.
The acquisition of production equipment has already started in
Thailand.

23 July 2007
Prof. Searl is invited by Mirco to inspect their factory in Italy for
the purpose of manufactuing the S.E.G layers and he was handed the
following document;

With the precious help of Prof. John Roy Robert Searl realizing in
Italy the S.E.G. to create a system of energy at a very low cost free
and non-polluting for the continuation of the human race.

Prof. Searl has announced that Italy is now joining this R&D program
as of this date.

02 Oct 2007
Some of Prof. Searl’s team members are testing the external induction
for tapping energy out of the SEG Mockup. This is yet another core
principle of the SEG concept that can now be tested and evaluated.

03 October 2007
The Copper Emitter and the Magnetic layer of the SEG prototype are now
pressed together. Notice the teflon block beneath, it will be machined
later to form the Gate. We truely hoped to be further along with it,
but so much of our efforts has shifted towards the preparations of the
new lab facilities now that this project is funded; this will indeed
speed up our progress for the long run.

13 October 2007
The three set of SEG copper emitters have arrived in their basic
sizes. The Searl team will mill of each ring carefully since it
requires greater precision than the supplier can provide.
This marks the day all four-component layers are set as one complete
unit.
This is the first of three sets needed to complete the SEG
experimental prototype scheduled for 2008.

Here is a bit more recent news coverage
http://www.searlsolution.com/media.html

Here he describes his inertial propulsion drive.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8635897559220353909

Yes it is an old man talking about the past lol For 50 years he is
running around in the same circle. Today the materials he needs are
not commonly available anymore. So he is building a factory in
Thailand right now. Here is a proof of concept contraption in an
attempt to get a patent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM_s0dXRk48

It would all sound like a media parade if it wasn>t that by V. V.
Roschin and S. M. Godin had reviewed the technology after which they
got in big trouble with the Russian Academy of Science, in Moscow.

http://www.rexresearch.com/roschin/roschin.htm

Poor Russian academics put all this effort in hiding the technologies
then those 2 jokes disclose everything. I>m looking forwards to seeing
his factory go into production. Thailand seems to be a perfect choice.
I cant imagine the CIA sending their assassins there, it>s practically
in China. lol Perhaps the overly corrupt Australian government is
interested in suppressing it. Here is a page I baked earlier.

http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/john-searl/

Oh, I almost forgot Keith.

http://www.datelinehollywood.com/dateline_hollywood/harrison_ford/
Harrison Ford starring in 'The 65 Year Old Virgin'!!!!
This photo of Harrison Ford from Access Hollywood is from the set of
his new movie "The 65 Year Old Virgin," which is a sequel to the
successful "The 40 Year Old Virgin." As you can see, they>re doing
that hilarious chest waxing scene again. We can>t get enough of that.

Ohhh? Look how exiting? The 65 year old virgin! Will you imagine that
one! EXTRA!! - EXTRA!! - READ ALL ABOUT IT!!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Young Earth Reply with quote

Rich the Philosophizer wrote:

[quote]I>ve tried to explain, but you reject my answer because it conflicts
with your faith. "Atheists" are even more dogmatic than most fundies.
[/quote]
Please provide a direct quote where I have claimed to be an atheist
or that there is no God. All I have done is ask for evidence from
those who claim that there is one - or, in your case, from those who
claim to have a demon hidden in their ass.

[quote]What I>m trying to explain is that there is no such thing as an "invisible
friend up in the sky" - that>s your terminology; evidently you>re not
ready to take on any larger concepts.
[/quote]
I asked you a direct question using YOUR terminology. Twice.
Why won>t you answer?

After you wrote

"I>m talking about the original essence that MADE the sky
out of its own substance; IOW, it>s everything, and
everywhere, including inside yourself"

I asked this:

"Do you have a single shred of actual evidence that your original
essence that made the sky out of its own substance which is
everything and everywhere actually exists?"

Note that I used YOUR terminology. And just to make sure, I then
asked

"Where is the evidence that your insert your
own description here) actually exists?

So again I will ask you the simple question that you keep ducking;
Do you or do you not have a single shred of actual evidence that
(insert your own "terminology" here) actually exists? It is a
simple question. There is no shame in admitting that your beliefs
are based on faith rather than on evidence. Why not simply admit
the truth rather than dancing around refusing to give a straight
answer to a simple question?
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