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don findlay · Guest

So, Pterologists still want India to collide with Asia to crumple/
throw/ toss up the Himalayas... How did India manage to cross the
spreading ridge to carry out this feat?
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/nonsense/indiadrift.html

Why didn>t it crumple Madagascar (southern position) or Ethiopia
(northern position) instead of the Himalayas?

Come on you lot. Let>s see the crinkle of your crumple of your
crunkle.

Stuart · Guest

On Oct 2, 4:41 am, don findlay <d...@tower.net.au> wrote:
[quote]So, Pterologists still want India to collide with Asia to crumple/
throw/ toss up the Himalayas... How did India manage to cross the
spreading ridge to carry out this feat?http://users.indigo.net.au/don/nonsense/indiadrift.html

Why didn>t it crumple Madagascar (southern position) or Ethiopia
(northern position) instead of the Himalayas?

Come on you lot. Let>s see the crinkle of your crumple of your
crunkle.
[/quote]
The ridge that is the mid-ocean Indian ridge originally formed between
India
and Madagascar. India did not cross a ridge, did not have to crumple
Madagascar, did not have to pay 2-0-0...

http://www.scotese.com/K/t.htm

Stuart

Daryl Krupa · Guest

On Oct 6, 3:35 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
<snip>
[quote]India remained connected to Australia+antarctica up to 120 Ma ago. Note
that Western Australia was connected to South-china 120 Ma ago.
snip[/quote]

Eh?
No, it wasn>t; check out this 94 Ma ago map:

http://www.scotese.com/cretaceo.htm

"You>re off your chump." *

- Daryl Krupa

*
http://www.jumpstation.ca/recroom/comedy/python/fish.html

Stuart · Guest

On Oct 6, 1:04 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
[quote]Daryl Krupa <icycal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 3:35 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
snip
India remained connected to Australia+antarctica up to 120 Ma ago. Note
that Western Australia was connected to South-china 120 Ma ago.
snip

Eh?
No, it wasn>t; check out this 94 Ma ago map:

http://www.scotese.com/cretaceo.htm

"You>re off your chump." *

I don>t usually take stuff for granted and prefer to check by myself
using hard data and not wishful interpretation that suit preconceived
ideas.

[/quote]
If you>re that cock sure, present it for publication. If true
it would be a useful contribution.

I>m not holding my breath.

Stuart

Florian · Guest

Stuart <bigdakine@aol.com> wrote:

[quote]The ridge that is the mid-ocean Indian ridge originally formed between
India
and Madagascar. India did not cross a ridge, did not have to crumple
Madagascar, did not have to pay 2-0-0...
[/quote]

For sure, India+Seychelles detached from Ethiopia+old 170-120Ma
basin+Madagascar about 90 Ma ago. Then India detached from Seychelles 60
Ma ago.
India remained connected to Australia+antarctica up to 120 Ma ago. Note
that Western Australia was connected to South-china 120 Ma ago.
And it follows logically that India remained close to asia during all
that time, only separated from asia by a narrow basin that got finally
close by eduction.

<http://nachon.free.fr/GE/indian/Indiadrift.jpg>

--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer

Florian · Guest

Daryl Krupa <icycalmca@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]On Oct 6, 3:35 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
snip
India remained connected to Australia+antarctica up to 120 Ma ago. Note
that Western Australia was connected to South-china 120 Ma ago.
snip

Eh?
No, it wasn>t; check out this 94 Ma ago map:

http://www.scotese.com/cretaceo.htm

"You>re off your chump." *
[/quote]
I don>t usually take stuff for granted and prefer to check by myself
using hard data and not wishful interpretation that suit preconceived
ideas.

Look again: http://nachon.free.fr/GE/indian/Indiadrift.jpg

Australia was connected to South china 120 Millions years ago according
to the isochrons. As India was connected to australia at the same time,
then India was close to Asia 120 Millions Ago. As India is currently
connected to Asia, it logically follows that India remained close to
Asia during all that time. Case closed.

--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer

Florian · Guest

Daryl Krupa <icycalmca@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]On Oct 6, 3:35 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
snip
India remained connected to Australia+antarctica up to 120 Ma ago. Note
that Western Australia was connected to South-china 120 Ma ago.
snip

Eh?
No, it wasn>t; check out this 94 Ma ago map:

http://www.scotese.com/cretaceo.htm

"You>re off your chump." *
[/quote]
I don>t usually take stuff for granted and prefer to check by myself
using hard data and not wishful interpretations that suit preconceived
ideas.

Look again: http://nachon.free.fr/GE/indian/Indiadrift.jpg

Australia was connected to South china 120 Millions years ago according
to the isochrons. As India was connected to australia at the same time,
then India was close to Asia 120 Millions Ago. As India is currently
connected to Asia, it logically follows that India remained close to
Asia during all that time. Case closed.

--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer

J. Taylor · Guest

On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:47:15 -0700 (PDT), Daryl Krupa
<icycalmca@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]On Oct 6, 3:35 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
snip
India remained connected to Australia+antarctica up to 120 Ma ago. Note
that Western Australia was connected to South-china 120 Ma ago.
snip

Eh?
No, it wasn>t; check out this 94 Ma ago map:
[/quote]
First it is not a map, it is an artistic rendering from an
interpretation of data.

[quote]
http://www.scotese.com/cretaceo.htm

"You>re off your chump." *
[/quote]
Second, he fails to included data from the ocean floor, primarily
because none exists, which makes it an artistic rendering more from
imagination.

JT

Daryl Krupa · Guest

On Oct 6, 5:04 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
[quote]Daryl Krupa <icycal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 3:35 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
snip
India remained connected to Australia+antarctica up to 120 Ma ago. Note
that Western Australia was connected to South-china 120 Ma ago.
snip

Eh?
No, it wasn>t; check out this 94 Ma ago map:

http://www.scotese.com/cretaceo.htm

"You>re off your chump." *

I don>t usually take stuff for granted and prefer to check by myself
using hard data and not wishful interpretation that suit preconceived
ideas.

Look again:http://nachon.free.fr/GE/indian/Indiadrift.jpg

Australia was connected to South china 120 Millions years ago
according to the isochrons.
As India was connected to australia at the same time,
then India was close to Asia 120 Millions Ago. As India is currently
connected to Asia, it logically follows that India remained close to
Asia during all that time. Case closed.
[/quote]
Florian:
Case open: you did not interpret the isochrons correctly.
Some of the isochrons that would have appeared between
Australia and Indonesia (not "South China") several million years ago
have been eliminated by the Australian plate>s subduction beneath
the Sunda Plate (i.e,., beneath Indonesia).
The yellow line around Indonesia indicates an
"Overthrusting front", i.e., a subduction zone where Indonesia
has been overthrust over the Australian continental shelf, and
formerly over oceanic crust north of, and attached to, that shelf.
The isochrons older than 150 Ma that would have appeared
north of Australia cannot be represented on that map because
the rock that old has disappeared.
According to the isochrons, India was separating from Australia
up to about 50 million years ago, along a defunct "Spreading ridge"
now extending southwest from Sumatra.
That defunct spreading ridge then started being subsumed
beneath Sumatra because of increased activity along the present
spreading ridge that extends southeast from the Arabian Peninsula.
According to the isochrons, the defunct spreading ridge, and
the Indian and Australian Plates, started to be subsumed beneath
Indonesia a little more than 50 million years ago.
According to the isochrons, the Sunda Plate existed between
South China and Australia 140 million years ago, so,
according to the isochrons, there is no possibility that
"Australia was connected to South china 120 Millions years ago".
Indeed,
according to the isochrons,
Australia was more than 30 degrees latitude
(i.e., about 4000 miles or about 6500 km)
from South China "120 Millions years ago".

Please, why did you use a graphic aid that so clearly demonstrates
that your claims are false and that your logic is faulty at its base?
I am confuused; were you joking, above?
Please elucidate your true position.

- Daryl Krupa

Daryl Krupa · Guest

On Oct 7, 7:35 pm, J. Taylor <nchiw...@embarqmail.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
<snip errant, contrarian, apparently dyslexic weirdness>

JT:
The only thing you have shown to be true is that
you are incompetent to interpret a simple map.

- Daryl Krupa

Daryl Krupa · Guest

On Oct 7, 7:35 pm, J. Taylor <nchiw...@embarqmail.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
<snip errant, contrarian, apparently dyslexic weirdness>

JT:
The only thing you have shown to be true is that
you are incompetent to interpret a simple map.

- Daryl Krupa

Daryl Krupa · Guest

On Oct 7, 8:05 pm, J. Taylor <nchiw...@embarqmail.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Daryl Krupa
snip
JT:
The only thing you have shown to be true is that
you are incompetent to interpret a simple map.

Forgive me, I lack the ability to read minds and see the one you
imagine.
[/quote]
JT:
A psychiatrist trained in hypnosis should be able to
help you to get in touch with your other personalities;
I understand that they have a long waiting list, so
maybe you>d better consult Google>s Usenet archive
(just search on "florian").

- Daryl Krupa

J. Taylor · Guest

On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:16:49 -0700 (PDT), Daryl Krupa
<icycalmca@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]On Oct 6, 5:04 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Daryl Krupa <icycal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 3:35 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
snip
India remained connected to Australia+antarctica up to 120 Ma ago. Note
that Western Australia was connected to South-china 120 Ma ago.
snip

Eh?
No, it wasn>t; check out this 94 Ma ago map:

http://www.scotese.com/cretaceo.htm

"You>re off your chump." *

I don>t usually take stuff for granted and prefer to check by myself
using hard data and not wishful interpretation that suit preconceived
ideas.

Look again:http://nachon.free.fr/GE/indian/Indiadrift.jpg

Australia was connected to South china 120 Millions years ago
according to the isochrons.
As India was connected to australia at the same time,
then India was close to Asia 120 Millions Ago. As India is currently
connected to Asia, it logically follows that India remained close to
Asia during all that time. Case closed.

Florian:
Case open: you did not interpret the isochrons correctly.
[/quote]
Correction: The following is NOT an interpretation, but the result of
an over active imagination, using assumptions.

[quote]Some of the isochrons that would have appeared between
Australia and Indonesia (not "South China") several million years ago
have been eliminated by the Australian plate>s subduction beneath
the Sunda Plate (i.e,., beneath Indonesia).
The yellow line around Indonesia indicates an
"Overthrusting front", i.e., a subduction zone where Indonesia
has been overthrust over the Australian continental shelf, and
formerly over oceanic crust north of, and attached to, that shelf.
The isochrons older than 150 Ma that would have appeared
north of Australia cannot be represented on that map because
the rock that old has disappeared.
According to the isochrons, India was separating from Australia
up to about 50 million years ago, along a defunct "Spreading ridge"
now extending southwest from Sumatra.
That defunct spreading ridge then started being subsumed
beneath Sumatra because of increased activity along the present
spreading ridge that extends southeast from the Arabian Peninsula.
According to the isochrons, the defunct spreading ridge, and
the Indian and Australian Plates, started to be subsumed beneath
Indonesia a little more than 50 million years ago.
According to the isochrons, the Sunda Plate existed between
South China and Australia 140 million years ago, so,
according to the isochrons, there is no possibility that
"Australia was connected to South china 120 Millions years ago".
Indeed,
according to the isochrons,
Australia was more than 30 degrees latitude
(i.e., about 4000 miles or about 6500 km)
from South China "120 Millions years ago".

Please, why did you use a graphic aid that so clearly demonstrates
that your claims are false and that your logic is faulty at its base?
I am confuused; were you joking, above?
Please elucidate your true position.
[/quote]
If you wish to show how the isochrons, which exist, supports your
view, you must provide actual data, NOT "would have" "disappeared"
"That defunct spreading ridge then started being subsumed"

The only thing you have shown to be false is your grip on reality.

JT

J. Taylor · Guest

On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Daryl Krupa
<icycalmca@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]On Oct 7, 7:35 pm, J. Taylor <nchiw...@embarqmail.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
snip errant, contrarian, apparently dyslexic weirdness

JT:
The only thing you have shown to be true is that
you are incompetent to interpret a simple map.

[/quote]
Forgive me, I lack the ability to read minds and see the one you
imagine.

JT

J. Taylor · Guest

On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:40:31 -0700 (PDT), Daryl Krupa
<icycalmca@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]On Oct 7, 8:05 pm, J. Taylor <nchiw...@embarqmail.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Daryl Krupa
snip
JT:
The only thing you have shown to be true is that
you are incompetent to interpret a simple map.

Forgive me, I lack the ability to read minds and see the one you
imagine.

JT:
A psychiatrist trained in hypnosis should be able to
help you to get in touch with your other personalities;
I understand that they have a long waiting list, so
maybe you>d better consult Google>s Usenet archive
(just search on "florian").

- Daryl Krupa
[/quote]
That is good, made me laugh.

As for psychology and the workings of the mind, I do understand how
hard it is to break with conditioning and stop imagining things that
are not there.

There is no ocean between India and Asia, and it is imagining to see
one in the past.

When you can admit that little bit will consider progress has been
made.

JT


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