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 Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: Re: India adrift |
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Stuart <bigdakine@aol.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 13, 1:23 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Stuart<bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
You must understand that we don>t know the constraints on the
composition of the rising material.
I take it you are unfamiliar withKimberlites?
??? I meant that any composition is possible for the rising material as
we don>t know how that material forms.
Nice cop out. We have a pretty good idea as to what the bulk chemistry
of the mantle is. Thats why petrological models of the mantle give the
correct seismic wave speeds to within a percent or two.
[/quote]
What happens at upduction zones is not what happens in the bulk of the
mantle.
[quote]
So what Flo basically suggest if he believes Maxwell,
[/quote]
1) You are the believer in a myth
2) Maxwell was one of the greatest physicists of all time and died in
1879.
[quote]is that the
Earth>s mass has increased some 60% after formation by *expansion*,
[/quote]
How can you be so ignorant on a subject that you>re suppose to know by
heart? that>s not 60%, but more like 800% in 250 My.
[quote]yet current rising material which gives rise to the expansion is now a
substantially different composition then what has formed the Earth since
it began expansion.
[/quote]
Nope. Upduction does not account for the major part of the surface
expansion. The major part of surface expansion results from spreading
ridges.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:15 am Post subject: Re: India adrift |
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Stuart <bigdakine@aol.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 13, 1:23 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Stuart<bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
You must understand that we don>t know the constraints on the
composition of the rising material.
I take it you are unfamiliar withKimberlites?
??? I meant that any composition is possible for the rising material as
we don>t know how that material forms.
Nice cop out. We have a pretty good idea as to what the bulk chemistry
of the mantle is. Thats why petrological models of the mantle give the
correct seismic wave speeds to within a percent or two.
[/quote]
What happens at upduction zones is not what happens in the bulk of the
mantle.
[quote]
So what Flo basically suggest if he believes Maxwell,
[/quote]
1) You are the believer in a myth
2) Maxwell was one of the greatest physicists of all time and died in
1879.
[quote]is that the
Earth>s mass has increased some 60% after formation by *expansion*,
[/quote]
How can you be so ignorant on a subject that you>re supposed to know by
heart? That>s not 60%, but more like 800% in 250 My.
[quote]yet current rising material which gives rise to the expansion is now a
substantially different composition then what has formed the Earth since
it began expansion.
[/quote]
Nope. Upduction does not account for the major part of the surface
expansion. The major part of surface expansion results from spreading
ridges.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: Re: India adrift |
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Stuart <bigdakine@aol.com> wrote:
[quote]hahaha. I meant Maxlow.. LOL.
[/quote]
[quote]How can you be so ignorant on a subject that you>re suppose to know by
heart? that>s not 60%, but more like 800% in 250 My.
Makes my point even better.
[/quote]
It proves that you criticize a theory that you never evaluated. You>re
simply not serious.
[quote]Nope. Upduction does not account for the major part of the surface
expansion. The major part of surface expansion results from spreading
ridges.
LOL.
[/quote]
I love your arguments. so empty that there is no need to debunk them.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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Florian
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: Re: India adrift |
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Stuart <bigdakine@aol.com> wrote:
[quote]Stuart, get focused please.
As the ridge is symetric, If you remove the isochrons in sequence you
can>t put NW India below the current gulf of aden, because you meet the
old ethiopia-Madagascar basin there.
Again, Scotese has no problems doing this.
[/quote]
Scotese has no problem with nothing, as he does not care about problems
by putting India souther than Africa>s horn where it can>t be.
At least, Torsvik does not make that mistake.
[quote]
Why don>t you get focused?
The ridge develops to the west and South of India, not NW India.
[/quote]
Strawman.
[quote]
If you do put the whole India below Aden, then it means that you
virtually crossed the ridge and put India over the old basin which does
not make sense at all.
No it does not.
[/quote]
Answer that simple question.
Where is NW India relatively to Arabia when you close back the ridge
that developped between Seychelles ans India up to Aden?
--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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Florian
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:38 am Post subject: Re: India adrift |
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Stuart <bigdakine@aol.com> wrote:
[quote]Stuart, get focused please.
As the ridge is symetric, If you remove the isochrons in sequence you
can>t put NW India below the current gulf of aden, because you meet the
old ethiopia-Madagascar basin there.
Again, Scotese has no problems doing this.
[/quote]
Scotese has no problem with nothing, as he does not care about problems
by putting India souther than Africa>s horn where it can>t be.
At least, Torsvik does not make that mistake.
[quote]
Why don>t you get focused?
The ridge develops to the west and South of India, not NW India.
[/quote]
Strawman.
[quote]
If you do put the whole India below Aden, then it means that you
virtually crossed the ridge and put India over the old basin which does
not make sense at all.
No it does not.
[/quote]
Answer that simple question.
Where is NW India relatively to Arabia, after you close back the ridge
that developped between Seychelles and India, up to Aden?
--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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don findlay
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: Re: India adrift |
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Stuart wrote:
[quote]On Oct 15, 1:43 am, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Oct 13, 1:23 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
One more time for our friend Stuart Weinstein of the Pacific Tsunami
Warning Center:
It sprung the ridge in every reconstruction where India>s NW province go
souther than Africa>s horn, simply because the ridge goes through the
gulf of Aden, and when that ridge was closed then that part of India was
obviously norther than the gulf of Aden,
The ridge started to the South of India.
Not that simple. There was an initial ridge between India/Seychelles and
Madagascar that got extinct 60 My ago, because a new one developped
between India and Seychelles along the whole west coast of India.
As India moved to the North, the ridge propagated to the North and West,
and Aden didn>t open up until India had docked with Asia.
Stuart, get focused please.
As the ridge is symetric, If you remove the isochrons in sequence you
can>t put NW India below the current gulf of aden, because you meet the
old ethiopia-Madagascar basin there.
Again, Scotese has no problems doing this.
Why don>t you get focused?
The ridge develops to the west and South of India, not NW India.
If you do put the whole India below Aden, then it means that you
virtually crossed the ridge and put India over the old basin which does
not make sense at all.
No it does not. Either you>ll examine Scotese>s reconstruction or you
can keep flapping your gums.
Stuart
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You can keep Scotese. What you (and Scotese) have to explain, is why
there is geological continuity between the pairs of India/ Tibet and
Saudi Arabia/ Afghanistan. Otherwise you>re pissing in the wind. |
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don findlay
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:16 am Post subject: Re: India adrift |
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Florian wrote:
[quote]don findlay <don@tower.net.au> wrote:
You can keep Scotese. What you (and Scotese) have to explain, is why
there is geological continuity between the pairs of India/ Tibet and
Saudi Arabia/ Afghanistan. Otherwise you>re pissing in the wind.
By the way, do you have any reference about these points?
[/quote]
Just the geological maps. There>s a bit of a kink displacement across
the Owen Fracture zone, but nothing that very much interrupts
continuity.
[quote]
--
Florian
"Toute v�rit� franchit trois �tapes. D>abord elle est ridiculis�e.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est consid�r�e
comme ayant toujours �t� une �vidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer[/quote] |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: Re: India adrift |
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don findlay <don@tower.net.au> wrote:
[quote]You can keep Scotese. What you (and Scotese) have to explain, is why
there is geological continuity between the pairs of India/ Tibet and
Saudi Arabia/ Afghanistan. Otherwise you>re pissing in the wind.
[/quote]
By the way, do you have any reference about these points?
--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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Stuart
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:45 am Post subject: Re: India adrift |
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On Oct 16, 9:38 am, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
[quote]Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
Stuart, get focused please.
As the ridge is symetric, If you remove the isochrons in sequence you
can>t put NW India below the current gulf of aden, because you meet the
old ethiopia-Madagascar basin there.
Again, Scotese has no problems doing this.
Scotese has no problem with nothing, as he does not care about problems
by putting India souther than Africa>s horn where it can>t be.
At least, Torsvik does not make that mistake.
I don>t know what you>re on about.[/quote]
Comparing Figure 3a in Torsvik et. al. (2008) which is their
reconstruction
at 200mya, to Scotese>s reconstruction at 195mya:
http://www.scotese.com/jurassic.htm
I don>t see much if any difference between the relative positions of
Africa w.r.t India
in the two models, considering the difference in projections and
reference frames.
Why are you beating around the bush?
Isn>t the real problem from the EE point of view, that EE doesn>t
accept
subduction and therefore as a result India was always docked with
Asia?
[quote]
Why don>t you get focused?
The ridge develops to the west and South of India, not NW India.
Strawman.
[/quote]
Its not a strawman, silly goose. Its what Paleomag models show.
Its laughable that you think that satisfying EE is somehow a proper
test
of paleomagnetic results.
[quote]
If you do put the whole India below Aden, then it means that you
virtually crossed the ridge and put India over the old basin which does
not make sense at all.
No it does not.
Answer that simple question.
Where is NW India relatively to Arabia, after you close back the ridge
that developped between Seychelles and India, up to Aden?
Look at the published reconstructions.[/quote]
Now, theres a novel idea.
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Stuart
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:59 am Post subject: Re: India adrift |
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On Oct 16, 7:29 pm, don findlay <d...@tower.net.au> wrote:
[quote]Stuart wrote:
On Oct 15, 1:43 am, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Oct 13, 1:23 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
One more time for our friend Stuart Weinstein of the Pacific Tsunami
Warning Center:
It sprung the ridge in every reconstruction where India>s NW province go
souther than Africa>s horn, simply because the ridge goes through the
gulf of Aden, and when that ridge was closed then that part of India was
obviously norther than the gulf of Aden,
The ridge started to the South of India.
Not that simple. There was an initial ridge between India/Seychelles and
Madagascar that got extinct 60 My ago, because a new one developped
between India and Seychelles along the whole west coast of India.
As India moved to the North, the ridge propagated to the North and West,
and Aden didn>t open up until India had docked with Asia.
Stuart, get focused please.
As the ridge is symetric, If you remove the isochrons in sequence you
can>t put NW India below the current gulf of aden, because you meet the
old ethiopia-Madagascar basin there.
Again, Scotese has no problems doing this.
Why don>t you get focused?
The ridge develops to the west and South of India, not NW India.
If you do put the whole India below Aden, then it means that you
virtually crossed the ridge and put India over the old basin which does
not make sense at all.
No it does not. Either you>ll examine Scotese>s reconstruction or you
can keep flapping your gums.
Stuart
You can keep Scotese. What you (and Scotese) have to explain, is why
there is geological continuity between the pairs of India/ Tibet and
Saudi Arabia/ Afghanistan. Otherwise you>re pissing in the wind.
[/quote]
If you think these are unexplained in contemporary geology you have
been
living underground.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: India adrift |
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Stuart <bigdakine@aol.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 23, 1:05 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
Touche'.
Thats me tooism.
PT predicts the existence of Pangea.
Then you don>t know what is a prediction, honey.
PT does not predict the existence of Pangea. PT gives an explanation for
the formation of Pangea. And that>s all.
Google "Wilson Cycle"
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Frankly, do you really think I would cite a reference about rodinia but
ignore the meanng of "Wilson cycle"? You should quit thinking that
people are all idiots like Ron.
Besides, "Wilson cycle" is not a prediction either, it is yet another
interpretation.
So you really don>t know the distinction between a prediction and an
interpretation. No wonder that you don>t understand why Plate tectonics
is wrong.
[quote]I>m asking you to be precise. You seem unable to be. I have to get
basic information out of you step by step.
[/quote]
Give me a break.
[quote]
First India wasn>t attached to Asia,
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Dude, that was your strawman.
[quote]then it was, then it wasn>t, then there
was an axial rift, then there wasn>t.
[/quote]
Nope. *You* got confused. Read back the thread. I gave you as an
illustration the south china sea, example that you continue to ignore.
[quote]It is not pushed down, it is buried.
Either way.
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Not either way, silly goose! it is buried.
[quote]In that case the ocean floor is getting buried by upwelling material
and forced down;
It is not forced down. The absolute motions are always surfaceward.
Then why is the slab bent down if the "absolute motions" are always
surfaceward??
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It looks like you believe that the upward movement is limited to the
arc-side?
More non sense from plate tectonics zealots.
[quote]in this case as you explain below the ocean floor is buckled by the
process.
This is not consistent.
It depends on the dynamic of the arc, and how it induces overthrusting
and buckling.
How does it induce that?
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Compression forces resulting from an extruding wedge.
[quote]For example, at the papuan ultrabasic foldbelt, the
oceanic lithosphere is sliced in overthrusting sheets.
So in an expanding Earth we have overthrusting oceanic lithosphere.
Interesting.
[/quote]
So now, you even deny that this is what is observed in papua new
guinea... Jeez.
I think I gonna leave you in your hole.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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