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[quote]George <George@george.net> wrote:
No Ron Yates, *you* are the idiot of the block.
That model made by Maxlow predict a configuration of Siberia/South
China/India/Australia/Antarctica/North america, that is similar to that
determined lately from geological data. See Fig 3A.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/321/5886/235
Observations => model => prediction => confirmed by independant data.
That how science is supposed to work.
Posting a link t an article from a journal that I have no subscription
and
therefore cannot access to doesn>t help your argument.
A scientist without access to Science? No kidding? What a joke you are.
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If I subscribed to every science journal on the planet, I>d be broke. Why
don>t you post relevant material that is actually accessible, flopsy?
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: Re: India adrift |
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"Florian" <auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net> wrote in message
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[quote]Daryl Krupa <icycalmca@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 9, 3:10 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
George <Geo...@george.net> wrote:
Maxlow is an idiot who has been discredited numerous times. So I
suppose
congratulations are in order that he>s suckered you into his scam.
No Ron Yates, *you* are the idiot of the block.
That model made by Maxlow predict a configuration of Siberia/South
China/India/Australia/Antarctica/North america, that is similar to that
determined lately from geological data. See Fig 3A.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/321/5886/235
From that abstract:
" ... age of 1440 million years ... ":
a dozen times older than the age you claimed.
Can>t you use your brain?
Do you expect that the configuration has evolved a lot between 150 Ma
and 1440 Ma if the growth during 150 Ma is much larger than that between
150 and 1440 Ma!
Obviously not! And as the pacific was only a margianl bassin at that
time, you expect all the old cratons surrounding the current pacific,
India/Australia/Antarctica/China/Siberia/Laurentia/Amazonia, to be close
to each others at that time.
Guess what? This is exactly what is *observed*.
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If you believe that, then you really are insane. I hate that for you.
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brad
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On Oct 12, 7:55 am, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
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[quote]Ignorant zealot, this how sicence works:
Observation=>model=>prediction from model=>confirmation of prediction by
observation=> validation of model.
Planetary growth is a validated model, whereas PT can>t make predictions
at all. Case closed. Go fishin with Stuart.
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Please explain how you get andesite from peridotite if you don>t
use subducted sediments to yield the felsics you need.
Your only argument is a heterogeneous mantle . But , considering that
andesite like magmas have become more common as we approach
modern arc deposits , that looks more like selective enrichment than
permanent heterogeneity. That is , heterogeneity is a " recent "
mantle
geochemical aspect. Andesites should be as common in ancient flows
as they are in modern flows ,and that is not the case .
Andesites appear to postdate granite occurance geologically.
I know this doesn>t follow from the thread your thread . But , it is
an
aspect of your overall argument that I>m convinced you haven>t
fully explained.
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George <George@george.net> wrote:
[quote]"Florian" <auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net> wrote in message
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George <George@george.net> wrote:
No Ron Yates, *you* are the idiot of the block.
That model made by Maxlow predict a configuration of Siberia/South
China/India/Australia/Antarctica/North america, that is similar to that
determined lately from geological data. See Fig 3A.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/321/5886/235
Observations => model => prediction => confirmed by independant data.
That how science is supposed to work.
Posting a link t an article from a journal that I have no subscription
and
therefore cannot access to doesn>t help your argument.
A scientist without access to Science? No kidding? What a joke you are.
If I subscribed to every science journal on the planet, I>d be broke.
[/quote]
1) That>s not every journal. That>s "Science".
2) Science should be availlable at your institution
3) If you don>t belong to an institution, Science is available in EVERY
library.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
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George <George@george.net> wrote:
[quote]"Florian" <auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net> wrote in message
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Daryl Krupa <icycalmca@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 9, 3:10 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
George <Geo...@george.net> wrote:
Maxlow is an idiot who has been discredited numerous times. So I
suppose
congratulations are in order that he>s suckered you into his scam.
No Ron Yates, *you* are the idiot of the block.
That model made by Maxlow predict a configuration of Siberia/South
China/India/Australia/Antarctica/North america, that is similar to that
determined lately from geological data. See Fig 3A.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/321/5886/235
From that abstract:
" ... age of 1440 million years ... ":
a dozen times older than the age you claimed.
Can>t you use your brain?
Do you expect that the configuration has evolved a lot between 150 Ma
and 1440 Ma if the growth during 150 Ma is much larger than that between
150 and 1440 Ma!
Obviously not! And as the pacific was only a marginal basin at that
time, you expect all the old cratons surrounding the current pacific,
India/Australia/Antarctica/China/Siberia/Laurentia/Amazonia, to be close
to each others at that time.
Guess what? This is exactly what is *observed*.
If you believe that, then you really are insane. I hate that for you.
[/quote]
Believe? keyword: "observed"
Ignorant zealot, this how sicence works:
Observation=>model=>prediction from model=>confirmation of prediction by
observation=> validation of model.
Planetary growth is a validated model, whereas PT can>t make predictions
at all. Case closed. Go fishin with Stuart.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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Stuart
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On Oct 12, 1:55 am, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
[quote]George <Geo...@george.net> wrote:
"Florian" <auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net> wrote in message
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Daryl Krupa <icycal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 9, 3:10 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
George <Geo...@george.net> wrote:
Maxlow is an idiot who has been discredited numerous times. So I
suppose
congratulations are in order that he>s suckered you into his scam.
No Ron Yates, *you* are the idiot of the block.
That model made by Maxlow predict a configuration of Siberia/South
China/India/Australia/Antarctica/North america, that is similar to that
determined lately from geological data. See Fig 3A.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/321/5886/235
From that abstract:
" ... age of 1440 million years ... ":
a dozen times older than the age you claimed.
Can>t you use your brain?
Do you expect that the configuration has evolved a lot between 150 Ma
and 1440 Ma if the growth during 150 Ma is much larger than that between
150 and 1440 Ma!
Obviously not! And as the pacific was only a marginal basin at that
time, you expect all the old cratons surrounding the current pacific,
India/Australia/Antarctica/China/Siberia/Laurentia/Amazonia, to be close
to each others at that time.
Guess what? This is exactly what is *observed*.
If you believe that, then you really are insane. I hate that for you.
Believe? keyword: "observed"
Ignorant zealot, this how sicence works:
Observation=>model=>prediction from model=>confirmation of prediction by
observation=> validation of model.
Planetary growth is a validated model, whereas PT can>t make predictions
at all. Case closed. Go fishin with Stuart.
[/quote]
Planetary growth by accretion is a validated model; planetary growth
through expansion by no known mechanism is not a validated model.
Keep dreaming.
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Stuart
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:23 am Post subject: Re: India adrift |
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On Oct 11, 1:11 am, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
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[quote]Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Oct 10, 2:42 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
with Gujarat/Rajasthan
provinces of India entirely south of Africa>s horn.
So you do believe in continent jumping ridges. Why I>m not surprised...
Aden didn>t start spreading until after India collided with Asia.
So what? It does not change nothing to the issue.
So you really don>t understand why it is not possible for the Northwest
part of India to cross the horn...
Please show where in Scotese>s reconstructions India jumps a ridge.
What don>t you understand in "Northwest part of India to cross the
horn". If it crosses the horn it crosses the indian ocean ridge too.
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What is it you can>t fathom about Scotese>s reconstructions that
show India not jumping any ridges?
I>ve asked you to point where this happens in Scotese>s
reconstructions.
This is simple request.
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George
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:39 am Post subject: Re: India adrift |
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"Florian" <auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net> wrote in message
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[quote]George <George@george.net> wrote:
"Florian" <auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net> wrote in message
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George <George@george.net> wrote:
No Ron Yates, *you* are the idiot of the block.
That model made by Maxlow predict a configuration of Siberia/South
China/India/Australia/Antarctica/North america, that is similar to
that
determined lately from geological data. See Fig 3A.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/321/5886/235
Observations => model => prediction => confirmed by independant
data.
That how science is supposed to work.
Posting a link t an article from a journal that I have no subscription
and
therefore cannot access to doesn>t help your argument.
A scientist without access to Science? No kidding? What a joke you
are.
If I subscribed to every science journal on the planet, I>d be broke.
1) That>s not every journal. That>s "Science".
2) Science should be availlable at your institution
3) If you don>t belong to an institution, Science is available in EVERY
library.
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Sorry. I don>t go to libraries to read papers you cite as a defense of your
arguments on usenet. If you want to defend your arguments on usenet, post
something we can all access. Otherwise, write a paper and get it peer
reviewed.
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brad
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On Oct 12, 7:03 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
[quote]brad <lbjohnson1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Please explain how you get andesite from peridotite if you don>t
use subducted sediments to yield the felsics you need.
You must understand that we don>t know the constraints on the
composition of the rising material.
[/quote]
But we do know that Na , Ca , K are readily eroded and end up
in pelagic sediments.
[quote]Your only argument is a heterogeneous mantle.
Heterogeneity results inevitably from successive emplacement of material
as the planet grows.
[/quote]
Or from subduction and subsequent melting and eruption at Island Arcs.
[quote]But , considering that
andesite like magmas have become more common as we approach
modern arc deposits , that looks more like selective enrichment than
permanent heterogeneity. That is , heterogeneity is a " recent "
mantle geochemical aspect. Andesites should be as common in ancient flows
as they are in modern flows ,and that is not the case .
Andesites appear to postdate granite occurance geologically.
Which would mean that arc magmatism changes as the planet grows.
[/quote]
Or as more felsics are available to the melt due to selective
enrichment ,
and susequent subduction.
[quote]I know this doesn>t follow from the thread your thread . But , it is
an aspect of your overall argument that I>m convinced you haven>t
fully explained.
And they are certainly many more aspect like that. The task of
interpretating data in the light of a different paradigm is a huge one.
Plenty of work for lot of geologists.
[/quote]
But , you need a homerun ! Why not find definitive proof ! The
history of Science is full of ideas that appeared correct . Find a
Chemist or Physicist who has ideas that would supply you
with a mechanism .There must be some reason no one has
stepped forward with the help you need . ( please don>t advance
conspiracy )
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brad <lbjohnson1949@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 12, 7:55 am, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Ignorant zealot, this how sicence works:
Observation=>model=>prediction from model=>confirmation of prediction by
observation=> validation of model.
Planetary growth is a validated model, whereas PT can>t make predictions
at all. Case closed. Go fishin with Stuart.
Please explain how you get andesite from peridotite if you don>t
use subducted sediments to yield the felsics you need.
[/quote]
You must understand that we don>t know the constraints on the
composition of the rising material.
[quote]Your only argument is a heterogeneous mantle.
[/quote]
Heterogeneity results inevitably from successive emplacement of material
as the planet grows.
[quote]But , considering that
andesite like magmas have become more common as we approach
modern arc deposits , that looks more like selective enrichment than
permanent heterogeneity. That is , heterogeneity is a " recent "
mantle geochemical aspect. Andesites should be as common in ancient flows
as they are in modern flows ,and that is not the case .
Andesites appear to postdate granite occurance geologically.
[/quote]
Which would mean that arc magmatism changes as the planet grows.
[quote]I know this doesn>t follow from the thread your thread . But , it is
an aspect of your overall argument that I>m convinced you haven>t
fully explained.
[/quote]
And they are certainly many more aspect like that. The task of
interpretating data in the light of a different paradigm is a huge one.
Plenty of work for lot of geologists.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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Stuart
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On Oct 12, 1:03 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
[quote]brad <lbjohnson1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 12, 7:55 am, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Ignorant zealot, this how sicence works:
Observation=>model=>prediction from model=>confirmation of prediction by
observation=> validation of model.
Planetary growth is a validated model, whereas PT can>t make predictions
at all. Case closed. Go fishin with Stuart.
Please explain how you get andesite from peridotite if you don>t
use subducted sediments to yield the felsics you need.
You must understand that we don>t know the constraints on the
composition of the rising material.
[/quote]
I take it you are unfamiliar with Kimberlites?
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don findlay
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Stuart wrote:
[quote]On Oct 2, 4:41 am, don findlay <d...@tower.net.au> wrote:
So, Pterologists still want India to collide with Asia to crumple/
throw/ toss up the Himalayas... How did India manage to cross the
spreading ridge to carry out this feat?http://users.indigo.net.au/don/nonsense/indiadrift.html
Why didn>t it crumple Madagascar (southern position) or Ethiopia
(northern position) instead of the Himalayas?
Come on you lot. Let>s see the crinkle of your crumple of your
crunkle.
The ridge that is the mid-ocean Indian ridge originally formed between
India
and Madagascar. India did not cross a ridge, did not have to crumple
Madagascar, did not have to pay 2-0-0...
http://www.scotese.com/K/t.htm
Stuart
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(Gee whizz, ..look at that! I thought we might have netted that idiot
George with this one, but looks like we got Stuart Instead. George is
getting canny, ..eh?) (Wow!)
Stuart (with his hands on the levers) (and believing he is
cruising), .cannot see the mountain that is staring him in the face !
Can you, Stuart? |
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don findlay
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Stuart wrote:
[quote]On Oct 11, 1:11 am, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
On Oct 10, 2:42 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Stuart <bigdak...@aol.com> wrote:
with Gujarat/Rajasthan
provinces of India entirely south of Africa>s horn.
So you do believe in continent jumping ridges. Why I>m not surprised...
Aden didn>t start spreading until after India collided with Asia.
So what? It does not change nothing to the issue.
So you really don>t understand why it is not possible for the Northwest
part of India to cross the horn...
Please show where in Scotese>s reconstructions India jumps a ridge.
What don>t you understand in "Northwest part of India to cross the
horn". If it crosses the horn it crosses the indian ocean ridge too.
What is it you can>t fathom about Scotese>s reconstructions that
show India not jumping any ridges?
I>ve asked you to point where this happens in Scotese>s
reconstructions.
This is simple request.
Stuart
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So, Stuart (the mountain that is staring you in the face...), .. If
India was situated "Way Down South" (according to palaeomagnetics)
then the spreading ridge was situated "West of the Border". Right?
SooOoo:-
1. By what mechanism does the spreading ridge move northwards with
India away from Africa to locate in its present position?
2. And (given the *present-magnetic* position of Africa) is it the
formation of this ridge (by 10cm a year dyke intrusion) that is
crumpling Asia to Kingdom come as well as making it override the
Pacific? (Ridge-Push)
3. Where is the subduction zone that>s doing this? (Slab-Pull.)
These are simple questions that would occur even to Brad. The world
waits for an Earthquake Wallah like you to explain them, since Scotese
evidently doesn>t have a clue or he wouldn>t be so daft as to make the
animations he does and expect wallahs like you to swallow them.
Please answer the questions individually. This is a simple request.
(Stuart, ... heading for Mexico, ..part of the brain drain, ... I mean
the drain brain...)
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George <George@george.net> wrote:
[quote]Sorry. I don>t go to libraries to read papers [...]
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enough said...
--
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"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
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brad <lbjohnson1949@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 12, 7:03 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
brad <lbjohnson1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Please explain how you get andesite from peridotite if you don>t
use subducted sediments to yield the felsics you need.
You must understand that we don>t know the constraints on the
composition of the rising material.
But we do know that Na , Ca , K are readily eroded and end up
in pelagic sediments.
[/quote]
So what? Most sediments at a trench come from the forearc.
[quote]Your only argument is a heterogeneous mantle.
Heterogeneity results inevitably from successive emplacement of material
as the planet grows.
Or from subduction and subsequent melting and eruption at Island Arcs.
[/quote]
No dear. Subduction is all about recycling which should lead to
homogeneity.
Anyway, subduction does not fit the data at all. Everything point toward
upduction (deformation of arc material, arc curvature, heat flow,
intrusions, extension in the back arc, sediments in the trench).
[quote]
But , considering that
andesite like magmas have become more common as we approach
modern arc deposits , that looks more like selective enrichment than
permanent heterogeneity. That is , heterogeneity is a " recent "
mantle geochemical aspect. Andesites should be as common in ancient flows
as they are in modern flows ,and that is not the case .
Andesites appear to postdate granite occurance geologically.
Which would mean that arc magmatism changes as the planet grows.
Or as more felsics are available to the melt due to selective
enrichment , and susequent subduction.
[/quote]
Same problem here. The concept of subduction is baseless and against the
data.
[quote]I know this doesn>t follow from the thread your thread . But , it is
an aspect of your overall argument that I>m convinced you haven>t
fully explained.
And they are certainly many more aspect like that. The task of
interpretating data in the light of a different paradigm is a huge one.
Plenty of work for lot of geologists.
But , you need a homerun ! Why not find definitive proof !
[/quote]
There are plenty of proof on Earth, and lot of clues on other planets,
Especially those with a marked surface dichotomy like Earth: look at
Mars, Ganymede, enceladus etc...
[quote]The
history of Science is full of ideas that appeared correct . Find a
Chemist or Physicist who has ideas that would supply you
with a mechanism .There must be some reason no one has
stepped forward with the help you need .
[/quote]
Oh yeah, there is a good reason: nobody aware of the phenomenon got the
good idea yet.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité franchit trois étapes. D>abord elle est ridiculisée.
Ensuite, elle subit une forte opposition. Puis, elle est considérée
comme ayant toujours été une évidence." - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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