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Guest · Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: Re: Thimerosal

On Oct 16, 5:55 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
[quote]On Oct 16, 5:03 pm, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:

http://whale.to/vaccines/thimerosal.htm

How many pediatricians will have to hang from a street light before
the current officials will admitt that vaccines are dangerous,
worthless, and that mercury and aluminum are toxic and poisonus, and
the pediatricians are murdering our children?

DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus and poisons.
[/quote]
Not only are vaccines dangerous, but the Gardasil cervical cancer
concoction that health ministers call "completely safe", is anything
but safe:
http://www.christiankeys.ca/HealthHighlights.html

marika · Guest

<drceephd@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:8a8569cf-613c-468a-819d-df3f74f5cb29@p49g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 16, 5:03 pm, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
[quote]http://whale.to/vaccines/thimerosal.htm
[/quote]
How many pediatricians will have to hang from a street light before
the current officials will admitt that vaccines are dangerous,
worthless, and that mercury and aluminum are toxic and poisonus, and
the pediatricians are murdering our children?

DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus and poisons.

=========

1 to hold it up and 3 to screw it in?

mk5000

"A list of girlies numbers that I>ve dialed
I do the Smurf, the Popeye, and the Jerry Lewis
I like Bullwinkle but I don>t like Moose
I>m schoolin' in the boys' room - coolin' by the locker"--posse in effect,
beastie boys

ironjustice · Guest

On Oct 24, 11:54 am, anonym...@nowhere.you.know wrote:snip <<

Whining little .. btch ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/634q5a

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

ironjustice · Guest

On Oct 24, 12:00 pm, anonym...@nowhere.you.know wrote:snip <<

Whining little .. btch ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/634q5a

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

ironjustice · Guest

On Oct 24, 2:17 pm, anonym...@nowhere.you.know wrote:snip <<

Whining little .. btch ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/634q5a

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

ironjustice · Guest

On Oct 24, 2:18 pm, anonym...@nowhere.you.know wrote:snip <<

Whining little .. btch ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/634q5a

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

Citizen Jimserac · Guest

On Oct 24, 9:59 am, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
[quote]News from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.com

As the true Healthfrauds from Quackwatch ... yelp and scream and sue
and harass alternative medical practitioners ... this is going on
without so much as a peep from them.www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htmwww.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Polevoy.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/24/half-of-american-doctors_n_1...
LONDON — About half of American doctors in a new survey say they
regularly give patients placebo treatments _ usually drugs or vitamins
that won>t really help their condition. And many of these doctors are
not honest with their patients about what they are doing, the survey
found.

That contradicts advice from the American Medical Association, which
recommends doctors use treatments with the full knowledge of their
patients.

"It>s a disturbing finding," said Franklin G. Miller, director of the
research ethics program at the U.S. National Institutes Health and one
of the study authors. "There is an element of deception here which is
contrary to the principle of informed consent."

The study was being published online in Friday>s issue of BMJ,
formerly the British Medical Journal.

Placebos as defined in the survey went beyond the typical sugar pill
commonly used in medical studies. A placebo was any treatment that
wouldn>t necessarily help the patient.

Scientists have long known of the "placebo effect," in which patients
given a fake or ineffective treatment often improve anyway, simply
because they expected to get better.

"Doctors may be under a lot of pressure to help their patients, but
this is not an acceptable shortcut," said Irving Kirsch, a professor
of psychology at the University of Hull in Britain who has studied the
use of placebos.

Researchers at the NIH sent surveys to a random sample of 1,200
internists and rheumatologists _ doctors who treat arthritis and other
joint problems. They received 679 responses. Of those doctors, 62
percent believed that using a placebo treatment was ethically
acceptable.
Story continues below

Half the doctors reported using placebos several times a month, nearly
70 percent of those described the treatment to their patients as "a
potentially beneficial medicine not typically used for your
condition." Only 5 percent of doctors explicitly called it a placebo
treatment.

Most doctors used actual medicines as a placebo treatment: 41 percent
used painkillers, 38 percent used vitamins, 13 percent used
antibiotics, 13 percent used sedatives, 3 percent used saline
injections, and 2 percent used sugar pills.

In the survey, doctors were asked if they would recommend a sugar pill
for patients with chronic pain if it had been shown to be more
effective than no treatment. Nearly 60 percent said they would.

Smaller studies done elsewhere, including Britain, Denmark and Sweden,
have found similar results.

Jon Tilburt, the lead author of the U.S. study, who is with NIH>s
bioethics department, said he believes the doctors surveyed were
representative of internists and rheumatologists across the U.S. No
statistical work was done to establish whether the survey results
would apply to other medical specialists, such as pediatricians or
surgeons.

The research was paid for by NIH>s bioethics department and the
National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine.

The authors said most doctors probably reasoned that doing something
was better than doing nothing.

In some cases, placebos were given to patients with conditions such as
chronic fatigue syndrome. Doctors also gave antibiotics to patients
with viral bronchitis, knowing full well that a virus is impervious to
antibiotics, which fight bacteria. Experts believe overuse of
antibiotics promotes the development of drug-resistant strains of
bacteria.

Some doctors believe placebos are a good treatment in certain
situations, as long as patients are told what they are being given.
Dr. Walter Brown, a professor of psychiatry at Brown and Tufts
universities, said people with insomnia, depression or high blood
pressure often respond well to placebo treatments.

"You could tell those patients that this is something that doesn>t
have any medicine in it but has been shown to work in people with your
condition," he suggested.

However, experts don>t know if the placebo effect would be undermined
if patients were explicitly told they were getting a dummy pill.

Brown said that while he hasn>t prescribed sugar pills, he has given
people with anxiety problems pills that had extremely low doses of
medication. "The dose was so low that whatever effect the patients
were getting was probably a placebo effect," he said.

Kirsch, the psychologist, said it might be possible to get the
psychological impact without using a fake pill. "If doctors just spent
more time with their patients so they felt more reassured, that might
help," he said.

Some patients who had just seen their doctors at a clinic in London
said the truth was paramount.

"I would feel very cheated if I was given a placebo," said Ruth
Schachter, an 86-year-old Londoner with skin cancer. "I like to have
my eyes wide open, even if it>s bad news," she said. "If I>m given
something without being warned what it is, I certainly would not trust
the doctor again."

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On the Net:

http://www.bmj.com
[/quote]
Well well well, from the British Medical Journal -

LOOKS LIKE BOWDITCH CAN>T DISMISS THAT ONE!!!!!!!!!!

Citizen Jimserac

Guest

"BACKGROUND/AIMS:
Mild to moderate iron overload is common in chronic hepatitis C (CHC)"

Hmmm, wonder what it is about hep c causes iron to increase?

Guest

"In this work, we used animal models of primary iron overload that
mimic the human disease hereditary hemochromatosis.
This pathology is characterized by increased serum transferrin
saturation with iron deposition in parenchymal cells, mainly in the
liver, and is most often associated with mutations in the gene
encoding the molecule HFE."

Just another genetic disorder where the natural process of the body to
control iron levels is disrupted.

This does not support the all disease is caused by eating meat because
of its iron idea. This one is genetic and not because of what is eaten.

Another hole in the swiss cheese idea.

bharrod · Guest

On Oct 24, 5:36 pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@cashette.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 24, 2:17 pm, anonym...@nowhere.you.know wrote:snip

Whining little .. btch ..

Who loves ya.
Tom
[/quote]
TOM CHILLL OUT, NO NEED FOR NAME CALLING HERE, WE ARE ALL ADULTS, NOW
PLEASE CALM DOWN AND STOP THE BAD WORDS, THIS IS NOT HIGHSCHOOL
ANYMORE. GROW UP PLEASE.
MIA

bharrod · Guest

Okay, so what this article is saying, is that those of us with
secondary hemochromatosis have a great risk of the "Myobacterium"? Is
this true?
What illnesses does this bacterium cause? Because I do have iron
overload in my blood, but not in my organs "yet".
And I have had a Bladder infection, Urinary Tract Infection, Yeast
Infection, and a Vaginal Bacterial infection for over a year now and
the medicines are not helping it. Antibiotics make it go away for a
short while, but then it suddenly appears again when I am finished
with the antibiotics. So this would explain that for me, if that is
the case that is.
Anymore information on this would be great, although Tom, it>s very
hard to understand some of the wording of those abstract articles,
because I am not a Doctor, how about "plain english".
LOL
Mia

Guest

"In this work, we used animal models of primary iron overload that
mimic the human disease hereditary hemochromatosis.
This pathology is characterized by increased serum transferrin
saturation with iron deposition in parenchymal cells, mainly in the
liver, and is most often associated with mutations in the gene
encoding the molecule HFE."

Just another genetic disorder where the natural process of the body to
control iron levels is disrupted.

This does not support the all disease is caused by eating meat because
of its iron idea. This one is genetic and not because of what is eaten.

Another hole in the swiss cheese idea.

Guest

"BACKGROUND/AIMS:
Mild to moderate iron overload is common in chronic hepatitis C (CHC)"

Hmmm, wonder what it is about hep c causes iron to increase?

Guest

"In this work, we used animal models of primary iron overload that
mimic the human disease hereditary hemochromatosis.
This pathology is characterized by increased serum transferrin
saturation with iron deposition in parenchymal cells, mainly in the
liver, and is most often associated with mutations in the gene
encoding the molecule HFE."

Just another genetic disorder where the natural process of the body to
control iron levels is disrupted.

This does not support the all disease is caused by eating meat because
of its iron idea. This one is genetic and not because of what is eaten.

Another hole in the swiss cheese idea.

Topaz · Guest

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:47:42 -0700 (PDT), deannie
<nadinefay@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]
O.K then you be a man, I>ll just be a human and aim to have
interactions with other humans.
[/quote]

The leftists who rule America are for having a unisex country and
for fighting "sexism". This should be replaced by a nation that is for
manhood and womenhood. Not only are the sexes different, but the
reason we are attracted to the opposite sex is precisely because they
are different.

In 1852 Emma Snodgrass was arrested in Boston for wearing pants.
Today women are allowed to be policemen and soldiers. Men don>t need
to be protected by female policemen.
We don>t have to have the kind of society we have now. The
government, and the media, and the schools, may all be leftist
enemies, but their ways are so contrary to human nature that it can be
changed.

The two main forces that reject the unisex society are religion
and nationalism. There certainly
wasn>t much feminism going on in a Muslim country like Afghanistan.
And it is no coincidence that the USA bombed Afghanistan. The USA and
its masters the Jews are the enemy and that is the first thing we need
to be clear about if we are going to change things. There were also
Nationalist countries that were also bombed by the USA and the other
leftists. The media will tell us how terrible they say these countries
were. We must always remember that the media is the enemy and they are
the ones pushing unisex culture on us.

Feminism is something we must always fight against. But a normal
man who considers women his enemy must eventually go mad. Feminism may
be a major symptom of what is wrong with this country but it is only a
symptom. The Jewish control of the media and society is the disease.
And feminism is Jewish:

Gloria Steinem was a Jew. Bella Abzug was a Jew. Betty Friedan was
a Jew.

"THE JEWISH 100: A Ranking Of the Most Influential Jews Of All Time"
By Michael Shaprio

# 56 Betty Friedan (b. 1921)

Born Betty Naomi Goldstein to Harry and Miriam (Horowitz) Goldstein in
Peoria, Illinois, educated at Smith College, married in 1947 to Carl
Friedan, the mother of three children, divorced in 1969, activist,
best-selling author, professor, a founder of the National Organization
for Women (NOW), the National Women>s Political Caucus, and the First
Women>s Bank, researcher, journalist, Democrat, clinical psychologist,
and grandmother, Betty Friedan was the most influential feminist of
the postwar era. Deemed by Marilyn French and others as an "initiator
of the 'second wave' of feminism, " Friedan>s writings and lectures,
including the highly influential books THE FEMININE MYSTIQUE and THE
SECOND STAGE, synthesized women>s views on what equality meant and how
to live and work... When the war against fascism ended two decades
later, four million women lost their jobs to returning GIs. Women were
again told that their place was in the home. The freedom to work to
build up and defend their nation was over. Men would earn the family>s
bread. What the boys needed was a warm place to come home to every
night. Ironically, American soldiers had accepted some of the values
toward women (Kinder, Kuche, Kirche - children, kitchen, church) as
the Nazis they thought they had defeated...

http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.org

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html


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