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William Black · Guest

"hcobb" <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 26, 8:30 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
:China is planing to run asymmetric operations against the Americans.

I didn>t realize you were sitting in on the Chinese high command>s
discussions of tactics and strategies.
[/quote]
They>re not making a big secret of it.

http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA429889
China>s Development of Asymmetric Warfare and the Security of Taiwan,
Republic of China.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare_(book)

---------------

I>ve got that book.

In China it>s considered an obscure volume written by two middle ranking
officers of no great distinction or influence.

In the USA it w as published at the instigation of a right wing think tank
and sold as some sort of Chinese blueprint for the destruction of the West.

--
William Black

I>ve seen things you people wouldn>t believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Fred J. McCall · Guest

"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

:
:"hcobb" <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote in message
:news:8e86a28e-9de3-4eb4-ba59-f985ce66075f@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
:On Nov 26, 8:30 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> :China is planing to run asymmetric operations against the Americans.
:>
:> I didn>t realize you were sitting in on the Chinese high command>s
:> discussions of tactics and strategies.
:
:They>re not making a big secret of it.
:
:http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA429889
:China>s Development of Asymmetric Warfare and the Security of Taiwan,
:Republic of China.
:
:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare_(book)
:
:---------------
:
:I>ve got that book.
:
:In China it>s considered an obscure volume written by two middle ranking
:officers of no great distinction or influence.
:
:In the USA it w as published at the instigation of a right wing think tank
:and sold as some sort of Chinese blueprint for the destruction of the West.
:

And the first one is a thesis by a STUDENT at the Naval Postgraduate
School and not a statement of Chinese intentions at all.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it>s such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

Andrew Swallow · Guest

Fred J. McCall wrote:
[quote]"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

:
:"hcobb" <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote in message
:news:8e86a28e-9de3-4eb4-ba59-f985ce66075f@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
:On Nov 26, 8:30 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> :China is planing to run asymmetric operations against the Americans.
:
:> I didn>t realize you were sitting in on the Chinese high command>s
:> discussions of tactics and strategies.
:
:They>re not making a big secret of it.
:
:http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA429889
:China>s Development of Asymmetric Warfare and the Security of Taiwan,
:Republic of China.
:
:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare_(book)
:
:---------------
:
:I>ve got that book.
:
:In China it>s considered an obscure volume written by two middle ranking
:officers of no great distinction or influence.
:
:In the USA it w as published at the instigation of a right wing think tank
:and sold as some sort of Chinese blueprint for the destruction of the West.
:

And the first one is a thesis by a STUDENT at the Naval Postgraduate
School and not a statement of Chinese intentions at all.

Give the student time to reach real rank.[/quote]
Also who asked the student and his professor what to do about the
Americans?

Andrew Swallow

Fred J. McCall · Guest

Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> "William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
:>
:> :
:> :"hcobb" <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote in message
:> :news:8e86a28e-9de3-4eb4-ba59-f985ce66075f@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
:> :On Nov 26, 8:30 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> :> hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> :> :China is planing to run asymmetric operations against the Americans.
:> :>
:> :> I didn>t realize you were sitting in on the Chinese high command>s
:> :> discussions of tactics and strategies.
:> :
:> :They>re not making a big secret of it.
:> :
:> :http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA429889
:> :China>s Development of Asymmetric Warfare and the Security of Taiwan,
:> :Republic of China.
:> :
:> :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare_(book)
:> :
:> :---------------
:> :
:> :I>ve got that book.
:> :
:> :In China it>s considered an obscure volume written by two middle ranking
:> :officers of no great distinction or influence.
:> :
:> :In the USA it w as published at the instigation of a right wing think tank
:> :and sold as some sort of Chinese blueprint for the destruction of the West.
:> :
:>
:> And the first one is a thesis by a STUDENT at the Naval Postgraduate
:> School and not a statement of Chinese intentions at all.
:>
:Give the student time to reach real rank.
:Also who asked the student and his professor what to do about the
:Americans?
:

Uh, that>s the *UNITED STATES* Naval Postgraduate School...

--
"Taught me how to shoot to kill.
A specialist with a deadly skill.
A skill I needed to have to be a survivor.
It>s over now, or so they say.
But sometimes it don>t work out that way.
And you>re never the same when you>ve been under fire."
-- Huey Lewis and the News "Walking On A Thin Line"

hcobb · Guest

On Nov 27, 11:19 am, "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bberesf...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
[quote]Yep......and CUBA would like Guantanamo Bay returnrd to it !
[/quote]
Well what good does GTMO do?

Why did they give up the military bases on American soil in Puerto
Rico to maintain it?

-HJC

MARK TEST@teranews.com · Guest

"Fred J. McCall" <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5b3si4h0bp244qp8ip29tn7h3dpodbj07f@4ax.com...
[quote]Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> "William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
:
:> :
:> :"hcobb" <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote in message
:
:news:8e86a28e-9de3-4eb4-ba59-f985ce66075f@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
:> :On Nov 26, 8:30 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> :> hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> :> :China is planing to run asymmetric operations against the
Americans.
:> :
:> :> I didn>t realize you were sitting in on the Chinese high command>s
:> :> discussions of tactics and strategies.
:> :
:> :They>re not making a big secret of it.
:> :
:> :http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA429889
:> :China>s Development of Asymmetric Warfare and the Security of Taiwan,
:> :Republic of China.
:> :
:> :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare_(book)
:> :
:> :---------------
:> :
:> :I>ve got that book.
:> :
:> :In China it>s considered an obscure volume written by two middle
ranking
:> :officers of no great distinction or influence.
:> :
:> :In the USA it w as published at the instigation of a right wing think
tank
:> :and sold as some sort of Chinese blueprint for the destruction of the
West.
:> :
:
:> And the first one is a thesis by a STUDENT at the Naval Postgraduate
:> School and not a statement of Chinese intentions at all.
:
:Give the student time to reach real rank.
:Also who asked the student and his professor what to do about the
:Americans?
:

Uh, that>s the *UNITED STATES* Naval Postgraduate School...

Surely, we can all agree China does want re-unification w/ Taiwan.[/quote]

Mark

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Andrew Swallow · Guest

MARK TEST@teranews.com wrote:
[quote]"Fred J. McCall" <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5b3si4h0bp244qp8ip29tn7h3dpodbj07f@4ax.com...
Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> "William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
:
:> :
:> :"hcobb" <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote in message
:
:news:8e86a28e-9de3-4eb4-ba59-f985ce66075f@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
:> :On Nov 26, 8:30 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> :> hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> :> :China is planing to run asymmetric operations against the
Americans.
:> :
:> :> I didn>t realize you were sitting in on the Chinese high command>s
:> :> discussions of tactics and strategies.
:> :
:> :They>re not making a big secret of it.
:> :
:> :http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA429889
:> :China>s Development of Asymmetric Warfare and the Security of Taiwan,
:> :Republic of China.
:> :
:> :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare_(book)
:> :
:> :---------------
:> :
:> :I>ve got that book.
:> :
:> :In China it>s considered an obscure volume written by two middle
ranking
:> :officers of no great distinction or influence.
:> :
:> :In the USA it w as published at the instigation of a right wing think
tank
:> :and sold as some sort of Chinese blueprint for the destruction of the
West.
:> :
:
:> And the first one is a thesis by a STUDENT at the Naval Postgraduate
:> School and not a statement of Chinese intentions at all.
:
:Give the student time to reach real rank.
:Also who asked the student and his professor what to do about the
:Americans?
:

Uh, that>s the *UNITED STATES* Naval Postgraduate School...

Surely, we can all agree China does want re-unification w/ Taiwan.

Mark
[/quote]
This sounds like the fall of Singapore in WW2 to me. A British
officer invented a way of capturing the city. His report was
ignored by the British authorities but studied by the Japanese.

Andrew Swallow

William Black · Guest

"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:FvudneUGHuQiJrPUnZ2dnUVZ8sbinZ2d@bt.com...

[quote]This sounds like the fall of Singapore in WW2 to me. A British
officer invented a way of capturing the city. His report was
ignored by the British authorities but studied by the Japanese.
[/quote]
What>s astonishing is that it was Percival himself who did the 'thirties
study...

--
William Black

I>ve seen things you people wouldn>t believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Jeffrey Hamilton · Guest

MARK TEST@teranews.com wrote:
[quote]"Fred J. McCall" <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5b3si4h0bp244qp8ip29tn7h3dpodbj07f@4ax.com...
Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:

Fred J. McCall wrote:
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

:"hcobb" <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:8e86a28e-9de3-4eb4-ba59-f985ce66075f@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 26, 8:30 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
China is planing to run asymmetric operations against the
Americans.

I didn>t realize you were sitting in on the Chinese high
command>s discussions of tactics and strategies.

They>re not making a big secret of it.

http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA429889
China>s Development of Asymmetric Warfare and the Security of
Taiwan, Republic of China.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare_(book)

:---------------

I>ve got that book.

In China it>s considered an obscure volume written by two middle
ranking officers of no great distinction or influence.

In the USA it w as published at the instigation of a right wing
think tank and sold as some sort of Chinese blueprint for the
destruction of the West.

And the first one is a thesis by a STUDENT at the Naval
Postgraduate School and not a statement of Chinese intentions at
all.

Give the student time to reach real rank.
Also who asked the student and his professor what to do about the
Americans?

Uh, that>s the *UNITED STATES* Naval Postgraduate School...

Surely, we can all agree China does want re-unification w/ Taiwan.

Mark
[/quote]
Yep......and CUBA would like Guantanamo Bay returnrd to it !

cheers......Jeff

Fred J. McCall · Guest

hcobb <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote:

:On Nov 27, 11:19 am, "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bberesf...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
:> Yep......and CUBA would like Guantanamo Bay returnrd to it !
:
:Well what good does GTMO do?
:

It>s where pretty much all the Fleet refresher training on the East
Coast happens these days.

:
:Why did they give up the military bases on American soil in Puerto
:Rico to maintain it?
:

They didn>t "give up the military bases on American soil in Puerto
Rico to maintain it", you dumb shit. They gave up those bases because
Puerto Rico wouldn>t let them do all their training there and it was
just too politically hard to keep justifying keeping them. The Cubans
don>t want us there, either, but we don>t have to care about their
opinion.

Jesus, Cobb! Do you ever get ANYTHING right?

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

hcobb · Guest

On Nov 28, 1:11 pm, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]They didn>t "give up the military bases on American soil in Puerto
Rico to maintain it", you dumb shit. They gave up those bases because
Puerto Rico wouldn>t let them do all their training there and it was
just too politically hard to keep justifying keeping them. The Cubans
don>t want us there, either, but we don>t have to care about their
opinion.
[/quote]
It>s great PR for them and exactly the kind of attitude that cost
McCain the election, because everybody is so wary of hosting American
bases. Look at how much he got hammered on his 100 year comment and
how that went right to the negotiations to kick the Americans out of
Iraq ASAP.

Everybody looks at GTMO and says no to any more indefinite American
leases.

We>re out of the Philippines, we>re getting downsized in Okinawa and
the only reason we>ve still got Diego Garcia is that the Brits take
the heat for keeping the natives out.

We don>t need a BRAC for foreign bases because no foreigner is
bothering to put up much of a fight to keep Americans stationed on
their soil. (Compare Tokyo to Naha attitudes towards retaining any
American presence on Okinawa.)

When will we lose Al Udeid?

So Fred, why aren>t you arguing that we cannot use the LCS because we
will have no in area bases to operate them from?

That>s an argument that is very difficult to refute.

-HJC

hcobb · Guest

On Nov 29, 6:43 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
:Everybody looks at GTMO and says no to any more indefinite American
:leases.

That>s 'Gitmo', you ignorant sod, and there haven>t been any
'indefinite leases' at anything other than gunpoint anywhere in the
last 100 years or so.
[/quote]
Perhaps you>d like to read what the United States Navy has to say
about its bases sometime?

Ignorance is treatable, you just need to have the will to learn.
Ready to start?

-HJC

https://www.cnic.navy.mil/guantanamo/index.htm
GTMO Marines Celebrate 233 Years of Service
....
Keeping GTMO>s Waterways Safe
....
GTMO Happenings

Fred J. McCall · Guest

hcobb <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote:

:On Nov 28, 1:11 pm, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> They didn>t "give up the military bases on American soil in Puerto
:> Rico to maintain it", you dumb shit. They gave up those bases because
:> Puerto Rico wouldn>t let them do all their training there and it was
:> just too politically hard to keep justifying keeping them. The Cubans
:> don>t want us there, either, but we don>t have to care about their
:> opinion.
:
:It>s great PR for them ...
:

Whoever 'them' are. It>s only "great PR" if the audience is stupid,
so I can see how you would make that mistake.

:
:... and exactly the kind of attitude that cost
:McCain the election, ...
:

What kind of blithering lunacy are you on about now? There are a
number of reasons that McCain lost, but our making the decision to
shut down Puerto Rico several years before the election isn>t one of
them.

:
:... because everybody is so wary of hosting American
:bases.
:

Not that we>ve noticed. Perhaps you>d care to list the places we>ve
wanted bases that have turned us down?

In point of fact, you might want to investigate the howls of protest
when we talked about shutting down bases in Germany.

:
:Look at how much he got hammered on his 100 year comment ...
:

Because people like you are stupid.

:
:... and
:how that went right to the negotiations to kick the Americans out of
:Iraq ASAP.
:

It didn>t and you have a quite loose definition of "ASAP".

:
:Everybody looks at GTMO and says no to any more indefinite American
:leases.
:

That>s 'Gitmo', you ignorant sod, and there haven>t been any
'indefinite leases' at anything other than gunpoint anywhere in the
last 100 years or so.

:
:So Fred, why aren>t you arguing that we cannot use the LCS because we
:will have no in area bases to operate them from?
:

I have, among other reasons, although with a 4,000 nautical mile range
you can get by without close bases. That will prevent you from the
'quick mission module changeout' that is so frequently hyped, though.

:
:That>s an argument that is very difficult to refute.
:

That doesn>t seem to stop you from blithering on.

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

Fred J. McCall · Guest

hcobb <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote:

:On Nov 29, 6:43 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> :Everybody looks at GTMO and says no to any more indefinite American
:> :leases.
:>
:> That>s 'Gitmo', you ignorant sod, and there haven>t been any
:> 'indefinite leases' at anything other than gunpoint anywhere in the
:> last 100 years or so.
:
:Perhaps you>d like to read what the United States Navy has to say
:about its bases sometime?
:
:Ignorance is treatable, you just need to have the will to learn.
:Ready to start?
:

I>ve been there, Henry. Have you?

Going by your record, I>m not convinced that all ignorance is
treatable.

--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson

hcobb · Guest

On Nov 29, 1:10 pm, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> :Everybody looks at GTMO and says no to any more indefinite American
:> :leases.
:
:> That>s 'Gitmo', you ignorant sod, and there haven>t been any
:> 'indefinite leases' at anything other than gunpoint anywhere in the
:> last 100 years or so.

I>ve been there, Henry. Have you?
[/quote]
So how did you fail to see the official code for the place? Were you
hooded and handcuffed at the time?

-HJC
The world wonders.


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