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hcobb · Guest

On Nov 25, 8:48 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
:Even if the price doesn>t go down the entire LCS buy with all the
:knick knacks won>t amount to half of that.

Yes, I know. That>s because the entire LCS buy is not enough vessels
to perform the mission being proposed off the Somali coast.
[/quote]
In that case the LCS buy would need to be massively expanded.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/so.html
Coastline: 3,025 km

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html
Coastline: 14,500 km

-HJC

Fred J. McCall · Guest

hcobb <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> hcobb <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote:
:> :So it>s much better to use a combination of UAVs and helicopters, like
:> :USS Freedom.
:>
:> Yeah, sure. Now all you need is a spare $100 billion or so so that
:> you can buy enough of them to actually do the job...
:
:Even if the price doesn>t go down the entire LCS buy with all the
:knick knacks won>t amount to half of that.
:

Yes, I know. That>s because the entire LCS buy is not enough vessels
to perform the mission being proposed off the Somali coast.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it>s such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

hcobb · Guest

On Nov 25, 6:52 pm, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
:In that case the LCS buy would need to be massively expanded.
:
:https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/so.html
:Coastline: 3,025 km
:
:https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html
:Coastline: 14,500 km
:

Yes, which brings you back to that figure I gave for what you>d have
to spend.
[/quote]
China has a much longer coastline and effective anti-ship weapons.

If the US Navy is not sufficient against the Somali pirates then it>s
doomed in the next big war.

-HJC

Fred J. McCall · Guest

hcobb <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote:

:On Nov 25, 8:48 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> :Even if the price doesn>t go down the entire LCS buy with all the
:> :knick knacks won>t amount to half of that.
:>
:> Yes, I know. That>s because the entire LCS buy is not enough vessels
:> to perform the mission being proposed off the Somali coast.
:
:In that case the LCS buy would need to be massively expanded.
:
:https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/so.html
:Coastline: 3,025 km
:
:https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html
:Coastline: 14,500 km
:

Yes, which brings you back to that figure I gave for what you>d have
to spend.

Do try to keep up, Mr Cobb....

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it>s such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

Jack Linthicum · Guest

On Nov 26, 2:58 am, hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 25, 6:52 pm, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:

hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
:In that case the LCS buy would need to be massively expanded.
:
:https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/so.html
:Coastline: 3,025 km
:
:https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html
:Coastline: 14,500 km
:

Yes, which brings you back to that figure I gave for what you>d have
to spend.

China has a much longer coastline and effective anti-ship weapons.

If the US Navy is not sufficient against the Somali pirates then it>s
doomed in the next big war.

-HJC
[/quote]
Define "big". The U.S. would be crazy to invade China at any level,
the most they could do is emulate Japan and get bogged down in killing
millions of irregulars. Good old nuclear weapons delivered by ICBMs
and SLBMs keep the idea of an intercontinental war on everybody>s back
burner. If China loses its cool, a la us in Iraq, and tries to take
Taiwan, a smaller version of plan A regulates the response.

hcobb · Guest

On Nov 26, 2:29 am, "Roger Conroy" <rogerconroy.nos...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
[quote]Warfighting and anti-piracy ops are chalk and cheese.
[/quote]
Not any more.

China is planing to run asymmetric operations against the Americans.

Having The Navy sink a Chinese fishing boat will do them almost as
much good as torching a crude carrier on its way to Japan or South
Korea.

The US Navy has chased the big fleets off the seas and must now be
prepared to deal with small fry in their own littorals.

-HJC

Jack Linthicum · Guest

On Nov 26, 7:57 am, richardcas...@earthlink.net (Richard Casady)
wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:37:15 -0800 (PST), hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com
wrote:

The US Navy has chased the big fleets off the seas and must now be
prepared to deal with small fry in their own littorals.

What big fleets, and when? WWII?
We did littorral in Vietnam. Market Garden I think they called it.
Attempting to stop supplies from traveling South in fishing boats.
WWII DE>s were used.
Guy assigned to that did a complete "Queeg", as related in a book,
'The Arnheiter Affair.'

Casady
[/quote]
They assigned the Queegs to DERs, its part of the job description.
Barney Greenwald in The Caine Mutiny:

Lt. Barney Greenwald: Doctor. You have testified that the following
symptoms exist in Lieutenant-Commander Queeg>s behavior. Rigidity of
personality, feelings of persecution, unreasonable suspicion, a mania
for perfection, and a neurotic certainty that he is always in the
right. Doctor isn>t there one psychiatric term for this illness?
Doctor Dickson: I never said there was any illness.

Roger Conroy · Guest

"hcobb" <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[quote]On Nov 25, 6:52 pm, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
:In that case the LCS buy would need to be massively expanded.
:
:https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/so.html
:Coastline: 3,025 km
:
:https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html
:Coastline: 14,500 km
:

Yes, which brings you back to that figure I gave for what you>d have
to spend.

China has a much longer coastline and effective anti-ship weapons.

If the US Navy is not sufficient against the Somali pirates then it>s
doomed in the next big war.

-HJC
[/quote]
Warfighting and anti-piracy ops are chalk and cheese.

William Black · Guest

"hcobb" <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b63d0fc6-ecd8-403b-98f0-a7985847b2bd@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...

[quote]China is planing to run asymmetric operations against the Americans.
[/quote]
This week or next?

--
William Black

I>ve seen things you people wouldn>t believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Richard Casady · Guest

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:37:15 -0800 (PST), hcobb <henry.cobb@gmail.com>
wrote:

[quote]The US Navy has chased the big fleets off the seas and must now be
prepared to deal with small fry in their own littorals.
[/quote]
What big fleets, and when? WWII?
We did littorral in Vietnam. Market Garden I think they called it.
Attempting to stop supplies from traveling South in fishing boats.
WWII DE>s were used.
Guy assigned to that did a complete "Queeg", as related in a book,
'The Arnheiter Affair.'

Casady

hcobb · Guest

On Nov 26, 8:30 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
:China is planing to run asymmetric operations against the Americans.

I didn>t realize you were sitting in on the Chinese high command>s
discussions of tactics and strategies.
[/quote]
They>re not making a big secret of it.

http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA429889
China>s Development of Asymmetric Warfare and the Security of Taiwan,
Republic of China.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare_(book)

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj00/sum00/perry.htm
Finally, NATO air strikes applied strategic and operational weapons
(long-range bombers and cruise missiles) against tactical targets,
allowing NATO to attack targets in hours or minutes that could
formerly be engaged only from the ground over the course of several
months. Because such strikes required the suppression of enemy air
defenses, the survival of air defenses is of great importance. The
author concluded that “we must do our best to combine defense of
selected spots and the whole area in our deployment, extensively
achieve mobility in the battlefield, combine cover for specific
targets with cover for whole areas, preserve our own strength in
mobile operations, and eliminate or weaken the enemy.”

hcobb · Guest

On Nov 26, 12:31 pm, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
[quote]In China it>s considered an obscure volume written by two middle ranking
officers of no great distinction or influence.

In the USA it w as published at the instigation of a right wing think tank
and sold as some sort of Chinese blueprint for the destruction of the West.
[/quote]
That>s why I included the other references.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90780/91342/6393940.html
Why some Western media wage 'asymmetric warfare' on China

Jack Linthicum · Guest

On Nov 26, 3:31 pm, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
[quote]"hcobb" <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:8e86a28e-9de3-4eb4-ba59-f985ce66075f@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 26, 8:30 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:

hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
:China is planing to run asymmetric operations against the Americans.

I didn>t realize you were sitting in on the Chinese high command>s
discussions of tactics and strategies.

They>re not making a big secret of it.

http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA429889
China>s Development of Asymmetric Warfare and the Security of Taiwan,
Republic of China.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare_(book)

---------------

I>ve got that book.

In China it>s considered an obscure volume written by two middle ranking
officers of no great distinction or influence.

In the USA it w as published at the instigation of a right wing think tank
and sold as some sort of Chinese blueprint for the destruction of the West.

--
William Black

I>ve seen things you people wouldn>t believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
[/quote]
The right wing think tank is probably one of the neo-cons outlets. One
clever person once quipped that the silver lining to the neocons' war
on terror craziness was that at least it distracted them for a decade
from their primary aim of fomenting a war with China. Along those
lines, here>s a passage of an interview with Fallon in yesterday>s
Boston Globe

"When I was in the Pacific [as the head of the US Pacific Command from
2005 to 2007] there were people with different viewpoints. One of the
challenges I saw out there ...was that we had one long term issue and
that>s called China. It seemed to me that of all the things we needed
to deal with we had better figure out how we are going to come to
grips with the future relationship between the US and China."

They are the owners of most of our debt. Between China and Japan they
are sitting on $3 trillion dollars [of US debt]. People say 'look at
all [the rest of] these problems in the world.' They are all
interesting. For my money, if you fix the problems here most of those
others go away because it is our behaviors that are the cause of some
of our challenges."

The size of the country and its influence is staggering. So we>ve got
to figure this out. There were people who warned me that you>d better
get ready for the shoot 'em up here because sooner or later we>re
going be at war with China. I don>t think that>s where we want to go.
And so I set about challenging all the assumptions and I came back
here about once a month and sat down with Secretary Rumsfeld. I>d walk
through what I was thinking, why I was thinking that way. There were
people who didn>t like that."

[My reputation became] "Fallon loves the Chinese, doesn>t see any
problem with this." [I responded with] "What are the priorities, guys?
Do you want to have a war? We can probably have one. But is that what
you really want? Is that really in our interest? Because I don>t think
so." We had a lot of initiatives underway [on military-to-military
relations with China] and some of that stuff didn>t go over too well
back here.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2008/11/25/fallon_interview/

Fred J. McCall · Guest

hcobb <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote:

:On Nov 25, 6:52 pm, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> hcobb <henry.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> :In that case the LCS buy would need to be massively expanded.
:> :
:> :https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/so.html
:> :Coastline: 3,025 km
:> :
:> :https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html
:> :Coastline: 14,500 km
:> :
:>
:> Yes, which brings you back to that figure I gave for what you>d have
:> to spend.
:
:China has a much longer coastline and effective anti-ship weapons.
:
:If the US Navy is not sufficient against the Somali pirates then it>s
:doomed in the next big war.
:

And you don>t think there is some slight difference in the two
situations and in the objectives appropriate to each?

As usual, you are absolutely clueless, Mr Cobb...

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

Fred J. McCall · Guest

hcobb <henry.cobb@gmail.com> wrote:

:On Nov 26, 2:29 am, "Roger Conroy" <rogerconroy.nos...@hotmail.com>
:wrote:
:> Warfighting and anti-piracy ops are chalk and cheese.
:
:Not any more.
:
:China is planing to run asymmetric operations against the Americans.
:

I didn>t realize you were sitting in on the Chinese high command>s
discussions of tactics and strategies.

As usual, Mr Cobb hasn>t a clue what he>s talking about...

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine


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