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Phil Allison
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 Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: Re: How To Keep Nut Jobs Off Your Threads |
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"John Larkin"
[quote]Some bright person recently observed that any field fs study that
includes the word "science" in its name isn>t one.
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** You mean like:
" Computer Science "
" Climate Science "
" Rocket Science"
etc.......
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Sevenhundred Elves
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:21 am Post subject: Re: How To Keep Nut Jobs Off Your Threads |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:30:06 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
<reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 31, 5:22 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:11:43 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 31, 11:50 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
Eureka!
I found a way to exclude morons from my posts!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8Pk1UYkB3I
Interdisciplinarity is the act of drawing from two or more academic
disciplines and integrating their insights to work together in pursuit
of a common goal. "Interdisciplinary Studies", as they are called, use
interdisciplinarity to develop a greater understanding of a problem
that is too complex or wide-ranging (i.e. AIDS pandemic, global
warming) to be dealt with using the knowledge and methodology of just
one discipline.
...Because the guides of human nature must be examined with a
complicated arrangement of mirrors, they are a deceptive subject,
always the philosopher>s deadfall. The only way forward is to study
human nature as part of the natural sciences, in an attempt to
integrate the natural sciences with the social sciences and
humanities.
Some bright person recently observed that any field fs study that
includes the word "science" in its name isn>t one.
John
Can you elaborate on what you think that means? If in all cases of
some area of study and research having some sort of peculiarity in the
title are always cases where they are not something else? Trying to
judge the strength of such an argument form.
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I guess it>s just an empirical statement. Whoever made that
observation must have thought of things like "natural science",
"social science", "materials science", and "rocket science", and held
these fields of study to an arbitrary standard of what he, personally,
thought was required of a science, and found them lacking. Maybe he
compared them to physics. Anyway, the moment physics gets renamed to
"physical science", that argument will fall flat on its face. So it>s
not a particularly strong argument.
On a tangent, I actually believe that materials science really is a
science, and if I>m right about that, then the bright person who came
up with the idea is wrong already.
Maybe he just meant it as a joke.
Astrology, antropology, scientology, technology, geology, entomology
all end in "ology". Do they have some common quality? Could we say
that nothing that ends in "ology" is a science? Or that every such
thing is a science? No, it>s not very likely that the structure of the
name reflects the structure of the thing, unless there is a strict
nomenclature, tailor-made for that purpose, as is the case in
chemistry, where a name such as
1-chloro-4-phenyl-3-(p-toluenesulfonamido)-2-butanone is an accurate
description of the structure and constituents of the molecule of that
name.
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Phil Allison
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Re: How To Keep Nut Jobs Off Your Threads |
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"THE BORG"
[quote]
Incidentally as regards who you term nutcases or nut jobs - humans are
seriously considering research into these kind of people.
The view on illness such as "schizophrenia" is that they can see and hear
and sense far more than the ordinary human.
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** For sure - God often speaks to directly with schizos, so too does Satan
and numerous Space Aliens.
[quote]In some societies they are revered as Shaman - teachers - Medicine Men.
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** While non primitive societies have far more sense.
[quote]There has even been talk of "evolution" in that those who have this
illness are some kind of improvement or higher level of human - and this
is actually evolution in progress toward a higher level of human.
[/quote]
** Only other schizos think any such thing.
BTW Many born deaf people like being deaf and the same goes for the blind
as well.
It goes with the territory.
[quote]So do not knock nutcases!
THE BORG
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** Think this loopy dude has his self interest at heart ?
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THE BORG
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Re: How To Keep Nut Jobs Off Your Threads |
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Incidentally as regards who you term nutcases or nut jobs - humans are
seriously considering research into these kind of people.
The view on illness such as "schizophrenia" is that they can see and hear
and sense far more than the ordinary human.
In some societies they are revered as Shaman - teachers - Medicine Men.
There has even been talk of "evolution" in that those who have this illness
are some kind of improvement or higher level of human - and this is actually
evolution in progress toward a higher level of human.
So do not knock nutcases!
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THE BORG
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Re: How To Keep Nut Jobs Off Your Threads |
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Or in your case it would be more a question of how to keep absolute BORES
off your threat.
Better an interesting nutcase than an incessant and terminal bore like
yourself.
THE BORG
"Bret Cahill" <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote in message
news:e38d10b0-789a-437a-8b3e-b32a1454f9a2@a8g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Eureka!
I found a way to exclude morons from my posts!
Just top post this onto every future thread.
[quote]This post frightens away the nut jobs.
Not true.
Then why did you dodge the issue?
Here, we>ll try again:
InnoCentive found that “the further the problem was from the
solver’s expertise, the
: more likely they were to solve it,” often by applying specialized
knowledge or
: instruments developed for another purpose.
Interdisciplinarity is the act of drawing from two or more academic
disciplines and integrating their insights to work together in pursuit
of a common goal. "Interdisciplinary Studies", as they are called, use
interdisciplinarity to develop a greater understanding of a problem
that is too complex or wide-ranging (i.e. AIDS pandemic, global
warming) to be dealt with using the knowledge and methodology of just
one discipline.
Interdisciplinary programs sometimes arise from a shared conviction
that the traditional disciplines are unable or unwilling to address an
important problem. For example, social science disciplines such as
anthropology and sociology paid little attention to the social
analysis of technology throughout most of the twentieth century. As a
result, many social scientists with interests in technology have
joined science and technology studies programs, which are typically
staffed by scholars drawn from numerous disciplines (including
anthropology, history, philosophy, sociology, and women>s studies).
They may also arise from new research developments, such as
nanotechnology, which cannot be addressed without combining the
approaches of two or more disciplines. Examples include quantum
information processing, which amalgamates elements of quantum physics
and computer science, and bioinformatics, which combines molecular
biology with computer science. In a sense, those who pursue
Interdisciplinary Studies degrees or practice interdisciplinarity in
their lives are seen as pioneers (and even risk-takers) at the cutting
edge of scholarship, science, and technology. In this way,
interdisciplinarians are able to acknowledge and combat the present
and future problems of humanity.
At another level, interdisciplinarity is seen as a remedy to the
intellectually deadening effects of excessive specialization. On some
views, however, interdisciplinarity is entirely indebted to those who
specialize in one field of study--that without specialists,
interdisciplinarians would have no information and no leading experts
to consult. Others place the focus of interdisciplinarity on the need
to transcend disciplines, viewing excessive specialization as
problematic both epistemologically and politically. When
interdisciplinary collaboration or research results in new solutions
to problems, much information is given back to the various disciplines
involved. Therefore, both disciplinarians and interdisciplinarians
must work complementary to each other in order to solve problems.
However, French sociologist and interdisciplinary scholar, Mattei
Dogan has criticized the widely held view that interdisciplinarity,
despite its etymology, involves merging two traditional disciplines.
As demonstrated in his article “The New Social Sciences: Cracks in the
Disciplinary Walls,” interdisciplinary research does not, in fact,
entail crossing whole disciplines, but in crossing specialties. In
Dogan’s view, by attempting to cross disciplines so vast as political
science and sociology, for example, the research can only become lost
in an ocean of literature. In this sense, any researcher seeking to
cross whole disciplines is doomed from the outset. For him, the true
meaning of interdisciplinarity lies in crossing specialties within
disciplines, or the hybridization of disciplinary fragments
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdisciplinarity
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/22/science/22inno.html?em&ex=121695840...
Several reasons for all the upstaging by those outside their fields
including:
1. The field jumper will often focus on issues eitirely overlooked by
those who do not stray from their field.
2. The field jumper brings fresh insights from his own field.
3. The field jumper isn>t going to have the same prejudices of those
stuck in their field.
4. The field jumper will naturally be a little brash. ("Waddya mean
we can>t do it?")
A prof told us about crosspollination/cross training years ago, I>ve
heard it several times since and I>ve posted about it several times
over the years.
My favorite example was MRI, invented by a chemist who for some reason
had to work with physicists.
DOE would do well to have a program which paid scientists and
engineers to switch fields for 6 months - year.
Most of the breakthroughs come in the first 6 months.
This time, no dodgin'
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This time, no dodgin'
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Joe
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Re: How To Keep Nut Jobs Off Your Threads |
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In article <6ffi3tFb0f5lU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:
[quote]"John Larkin"
"Phil Allison"
Some bright person recently observed that any field fs study that
includes the word "science" in its name isn>t one.
** You mean like:
" Computer Science "
" Climate Science "
" Rocket Science"
Political Science.
Social Science.
Library Science.
Veterinary Science.
Nanoscience.
** How about:
Home Science
Culinary Science
Christian Science
Science Fiction
...... Phil
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Philthy also seems to disdain
ConScience
Put that in your jeans, McMouth!
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Phil Allison
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Re: How To Keep Nut Jobs Off Your Threads |
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"John Larkin"
"Phil Allison"
[quote]
Some bright person recently observed that any field fs study that
includes the word "science" in its name isn>t one.
** You mean like:
" Computer Science "
" Climate Science "
" Rocket Science"
Political Science.
Social Science.
Library Science.
Veterinary Science.
Nanoscience.
[/quote]
** How about:
Home Science
Culinary Science
Christian Science
Science Fiction
....... Phil |
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John Larkin
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Re: How To Keep Nut Jobs Off Your Threads |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:30:40 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
[quote]
Some bright person recently observed that any field fs study that
includes the word "science" in its name isn>t one.
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"fs"?
JF
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I suppose I shouldn>t look forward to careers as a sectetary or a
typesetter.
John |
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John Larkin
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Re: How To Keep Nut Jobs Off Your Threads |
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:55:23 +1000, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:
[quote]
"John Larkin"
Some bright person recently observed that any field fs study that
includes the word "science" in its name isn>t one.
** You mean like:
" Computer Science "
" Climate Science "
" Rocket Science"
etc.......
..... Phil
[/quote]
Political Science.
Social Science.
Library Science.
Veterinary Science.
Nanoscience.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_science
John |
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