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Marsha · Guest

Typical voter for Obama (not does not a clue):

http://howobamagotelected.com/

This does NOT speak for all Obama voters (just a substantial
portion,IMO), so all of you other voters, do not take this personally. I
think it>s hilarious.

Marsha

Sue -- Firefighter mom, S · Guest

On Nov 24, 7:06 pm, Marsha <m...@xeb.net> wrote:
[quote]Doug Jones wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:49:07 -0500, Marsha <m...@xeb.net> wrote:

Typical voter for Obama (not does not a clue):

http://howobamagotelected.com/

This does NOT speak for all Obama voters (just a substantial
portion,IMO), so all of you other voters, do not take this personally. I
think it>s hilarious.

Marsha

Yup. And you might want to read about that poll (and an interview
with the guy who commissioned it) here:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/interview-with-john-ziegler-on...

Nice try, Doug. The questions were simple and any half-way intelligent
voter should have been able to give an intelligent response. A good
portion of liberals are simply not as well informed as conservatives,
which is the only reason Obama got elected. As the original site
offers, if you want a survey of conservatives of the exact same
questions, he will pay if the percentage of correct answers is not
significantly higher. Are you going to take on this bet? Let me know
when you do.

Marsha
[/quote]
If the media was to blame, then I say payback is a bitch! They have
been sucking up to the white house (not the phrase I really wanted to
use) -- let>s say playing Lewinski to George and Dick for years,
especially when it came to a war that has killed hundreds of thousands
of people to help their friends get richer. I think that is a big damn
crime that is far more fatal than we can ever get over and the reason
we are in the mess we are in now. Trust me I was working with
republicans in 2001 -- I heard Rove>s directive ("Bush says the best
group to manipulate is Christians, they are the easiest to manipulate
to your way of thinking. Use them in your political endeavors.") I
have this on tape read from the meeting I was in. This came out later
and was pushed under the rug by the media and the stupid christian
Reich. Quite frankly the progressive party is doing a better and more
conservative, truly christian job of caring for people -- as Jesus
preached -- than any republican. Trust me Jesus was a liberal -- pay
your taxes, help the poor. Something the Reich hates.
Sue, damn here I go ranting again.

Doug Jones · Guest

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:49:07 -0500, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

[quote]Typical voter for Obama (not does not a clue):

http://howobamagotelected.com/

This does NOT speak for all Obama voters (just a substantial
portion,IMO), so all of you other voters, do not take this personally. I
think it>s hilarious.

Marsha
[/quote]
Yup. And you might want to read about that poll (and an interview
with the guy who commissioned it) here:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/interview-with-john-ziegler-on-zogby.html

Marsha · Guest

Doug Jones wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:49:07 -0500, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

Typical voter for Obama (not does not a clue):

http://howobamagotelected.com/

This does NOT speak for all Obama voters (just a substantial
portion,IMO), so all of you other voters, do not take this personally. I
think it>s hilarious.

Marsha

Yup. And you might want to read about that poll (and an interview
with the guy who commissioned it) here:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/interview-with-john-ziegler-on-zogby.html

[/quote]
Nice try, Doug. The questions were simple and any half-way intelligent
voter should have been able to give an intelligent response. A good
portion of liberals are simply not as well informed as conservatives,
which is the only reason Obama got elected. As the original site
offers, if you want a survey of conservatives of the exact same
questions, he will pay if the percentage of correct answers is not
significantly higher. Are you going to take on this bet? Let me know
when you do.

Marsha

Rae · Guest

Boy, if that isn>t the truth, Doug. Despite her inability to even put
together a coherent sentence, some of these people think she is
presidential material. You can find idiots in every walk of life.
Watch Leno>s Jay Walking sometime. It may be they are coached, but I
don>t think so. It boggles the mind.

The state of our current economy and the running roughshod over the
constitution by this administration is reason enough any even slightly
informed person would see that things have to change and that voting
for the same party is not the way to effect that change.

On Nov 25, 12:31ï¿½pm, Doug Jones <norbro...@spamlessfrontiernet.net>
wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:15:49 -0600, "Anne V."

ahvasq...@NOSPAMsbcglobal.net> wrote:

"Marsha" <m...@xeb.net> wrote in messagenews:ggfq3f$md$1@news.datemas.de....
A good portion of liberals are simply not as well informed as
conservatives, which is the only reason Obama got elected. ï¿½> Marsha

That>s insulting, Marsha, and absolutely not true. ï¿½Because we happen to
have different beliefs than you do, we>re less well informed? ï¿½I>ve puzzled
over how we managed to elect the current administration, not once, but
twice. ï¿½That>s been a howling disaster, and I don>t think you can blame it
on liberals. ï¿½If it>s the liberals who are so uninformed, why is it the
Republican party that>s talking about complete revamping rather than the
Democratic party?

Anne

ï¿½Not only is it not true, but let>s be honest. ï¿½If you did a poll of
"conservatives," particularly those who were at the Palin rallies,
you>d probably find that most of them didn>t know much about the
Constitution, that they believed Obama was a Muslim, that creationism
was a fact, and that the fundamentals of our economy are strong. ï¿½ Oh,
and that we shouldn>t regulate banks and the stock market. ï¿½

Watching some of their rallies, about the only difference I saw
between them and a KKK rally was that they weren>t wearing sheets.

The reality check is that Republicans got their heads handed to them,
by a huge margin, across the line. ï¿½"Safe" states went blue on them.
For the most part, across the country, most states went more
Democratic than before. ï¿½

It>s actually for a very simple reason: ï¿½They had their shot, they had
free run, they got to implement their policies. ï¿½They tanked the
country. ï¿½

Doug Jones- Hide quoted text -

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Doug Jones · Guest

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:06:23 -0500, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

[quote]Doug Jones wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:49:07 -0500, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

Typical voter for Obama (not does not a clue):

http://howobamagotelected.com/

This does NOT speak for all Obama voters (just a substantial
portion,IMO), so all of you other voters, do not take this personally. I
think it>s hilarious.

Marsha

Yup. And you might want to read about that poll (and an interview
with the guy who commissioned it) here:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/interview-with-john-ziegler-on-zogby.html

Nice try, Doug. The questions were simple and any half-way intelligent
voter should have been able to give an intelligent response. A good
portion of liberals are simply not as well informed as conservatives,
which is the only reason Obama got elected. As the original site
offers, if you want a survey of conservatives of the exact same
questions, he will pay if the percentage of correct answers is not
significantly higher. Are you going to take on this bet? Let me know
when you do.

Marsha
[/quote]
Marsha,

Apparently you never heard of what a "push poll" is. That>s where you
slant questions, and select a group for polling to get a
pre-determined result. In case you didn>t know, Nate Silver is one
of the best, if not *the* best analyst of polls in the world. He
makes his living doing baseball statistics - he was the only one who
said that Tampa Bay would be a contender this year, and yes, he was
right. This year, he decided to see if he could analyze polls, and
come up with a better analysis of them. He called the election pretty
much on the money.

So when he says a poll is biased, I tend to believe him. You might
also want to realize that Zogby himself has said that if he>d been at
HQ at the time (he was on tour), they wouldn>t have taken the
contract.

Now, if you want to get into "how intelligent" conservatives are,
remember, they>re the ones now touting Sarah Palin as a future leader
of the Republican Party. <snicker>

Gisele · Guest

Nice try, Doug. The questions were simple and any half-way intelligent
voter should have been able to give an intelligent response. A good
portion of liberals are simply not as well informed as conservatives,
which is the only reason Obama got elected.

Okay, keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Gisele (who can>t get the quote inside of the quotes this morning)

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Anne V. · Guest

"Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:ggfq3f$md$1@news.datemas.de...
[quote]A good portion of liberals are simply not as well informed as
conservatives, which is the only reason Obama got elected. > Marsha
[/quote]
That>s insulting, Marsha, and absolutely not true. Because we happen to
have different beliefs than you do, we>re less well informed? I>ve puzzled
over how we managed to elect the current administration, not once, but
twice. That>s been a howling disaster, and I don>t think you can blame it
on liberals. If it>s the liberals who are so uninformed, why is it the
Republican party that>s talking about complete revamping rather than the
Democratic party?

Anne

Doug Jones · Guest

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:15:49 -0600, "Anne V."
<ahvasquez@NOSPAMsbcglobal.net> wrote:

[quote]
"Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:ggfq3f$md$1@news.datemas.de...
A good portion of liberals are simply not as well informed as
conservatives, which is the only reason Obama got elected. > Marsha

That>s insulting, Marsha, and absolutely not true. Because we happen to
have different beliefs than you do, we>re less well informed? I>ve puzzled
over how we managed to elect the current administration, not once, but
twice. That>s been a howling disaster, and I don>t think you can blame it
on liberals. If it>s the liberals who are so uninformed, why is it the
Republican party that>s talking about complete revamping rather than the
Democratic party?

Anne

Not only is it not true, but let>s be honest. If you did a poll of[/quote]
"conservatives," particularly those who were at the Palin rallies,
you>d probably find that most of them didn>t know much about the
Constitution, that they believed Obama was a Muslim, that creationism
was a fact, and that the fundamentals of our economy are strong. Oh,
and that we shouldn>t regulate banks and the stock market.

Watching some of their rallies, about the only difference I saw
between them and a KKK rally was that they weren>t wearing sheets.

The reality check is that Republicans got their heads handed to them,
by a huge margin, across the line. "Safe" states went blue on them.
For the most part, across the country, most states went more
Democratic than before.

It>s actually for a very simple reason: They had their shot, they had
free run, they got to implement their policies. They tanked the
country.

Doug Jones

Rae · Guest

I have to disagree. Just the fact that so many apparently thought Joe
the Plumber was now presidential material is stunning. Those who
thought Palin was in any way fit for this high of an office is nothing
short of scary. The woman may not be stupid, despite the fact she
can>t speak logically, but she does not have the experience needed to
be vice president, never mind president. Biden has years of experience
in the senate. O>Bama is a graduate of a top law school. Palin managed
to get a degree over time at a number of schools.

I>m more likely in the middle somewhere if I were to answer questions
on positions. I>m prochoice - that goes for a woman>s choice and the
right to own a gun, but the emphasis is on the latter as an individual
right (and the fact that those who would take that will take other
"moral" choices like freedom of religion and force their own. However,
it does strike me the radical right is often the same as religious
nuts, KKK types, and rednecks.

On Nov 25, 8:25ï¿½pm, Marsha <m...@xeb.net> wrote:
[quote]Doug Jones wrote:
Marsha,

Apparently you never heard of what a "push poll" is. ï¿½That>s where you
slant questions, and select a group for polling to get a
pre-determined result. ï¿½ In case you didn>t know, Nate Silver is one
of the best, if not *the* best analyst of polls in the world. ï¿½He
makes his living doing baseball statistics - he was the only one who
said that Tampa Bay would be a contender this year, and yes, he was
right. ï¿½This year, he decided to see if he could analyze polls, and
come up with a better analysis of them. ï¿½He called the election pretty
much on the money.

So when he says a poll is biased, I tend to believe him. ï¿½You might
also want to realize that Zogby himself has said that if he>d been at
HQ at the time (he was on tour), they wouldn>t have taken the
contract. ï¿½

Now, if you want to get into "how intelligent" conservatives are,
remember, they>re the ones now touting Sarah Palin as a future leader
of the Republican Party. ï¿½<snicker

Another response to your claims:

http://johnziegler.com/editorials_details.asp?editorial=176

Marsha- Hide quoted text -

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Rae · Guest

My mind is truly boggled that anyone could think Palin is more
qualified than Obama. He>s better educated right out of the gate. A
law degree from an Ivy League school is nothing to sneer at. She
thinks her foreign policy experience is great because she can see
Russia. HELLO. That makes me more qualified. I>ve been to Europe twice
and lived in Germany in a family home for several months. I also speak
a little of the language. This bimbo fell for the radio DJ>s hoax as
President of France EVEN ( that is EVEN) after off-color remarks
involving the "president>s" sex life.

I do not believe for one minute Obama is after the normal person>s
hunting rifles. I>m progun but I also do not believe for one minute
that any non-military person needs access to Uzis.

Palin is a joke and the fact that some perpetuate this just adds to
the humor. She is an idiot. Self-serving and star-struck. They could
have dropped McCain, the alleged candidate, and these idiots would
have tried to vote her in as president. Obama is careful and
considered- well spoken. He is calm and rational - not reactive - just
what we need. Not a gun-toting, wolf-shooting bimbo with questionable
ethics.

It is like she says she is a Christian - that>s all it takes. The fact
that she disrespects the ecology of the planet speaks volumes. Oh,
she SAYS she is a believer - we have to vote for her no matter what -
despite her words belie the beliefs she claims. GAWD

On Nov 25, 9:18ï¿½pm, Marsha <m...@xeb.net> wrote:
[quote]Rae wrote:
I have to disagree. Just the fact that so many apparently thought Joe
the Plumber was now presidential material is stunning.

Where did you get the idea that "so many" thought JTP was presidential
material?

Those who thought Palin was in any way fit for this high of an office is nothing
short of scary. The woman may not be stupid, despite the fact she
can>t speak logically, but she does not have the experience needed to
be vice president, never mind president. Biden has years of experience
in the senate. O>Bama is a graduate of a top law school. Palin managed
to get a degree over time at a number of schools.

But Biden wasn>t running for president. ï¿½Obama was, and he was clearly
less qualified than Palin.

I>m more likely in the middle somewhere if I were to answer questions
on positions. I>m prochoice - that goes for a woman>s choice and the
right to own a gun, but the emphasis is on the latter as an individual
right (and the fact that those who would take that will take other
"moral" choices like freedom of religion and force their own.

Then I suggest you buy your guns now. ï¿½Obama>s past stances suggest he
will severely restrict or try to make it illegal to own a gun. ï¿½He has
also been on the record for being in unions' back pockets by promising
to pass the "card check" law, making someone>s vote for or against a
union public, instead of private. ï¿½This one issue alone makes me ill.

However, it does strike me the radical right is often the same as religious
nuts, KKK types, and rednecks.

The radical right no more represents the people than the radical left.
And Obama is the radical left.

Marsha[/quote]

Rae · Guest

And she
never said that makes her foreign policy experience great. She
simply
stated a fact. Being that close to Russia would make me a little more
aware, too.
[quote]
[/quote]
It was tossed out there. It means nothing.

As far as her "experience" being more than Obamas "community
organizer" experience. Fact is, there are long-time reps (Senate and
House) with more experience than any of them (including GWB). Obama>s
minimal experience (community organizer) got him the presidency.
Organization is probably one of the traits I>d admire most. Therefore,
with his "lack of experiece" he put together a team that got him
elected to highest office in the land - actually the world. OTOH, we
have "Brownie, you>re doing a great job." I rest my case.

Then, there is the fact Judity saw the light <ducking> That>s all this
gal needs as proof.

Marsha · Guest

Anne V. wrote:
[quote]"Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:ggfq3f$md$1@news.datemas.de...
A good portion of liberals are simply not as well informed as
conservatives, which is the only reason Obama got elected. > Marsha

That>s insulting, Marsha, and absolutely not true. Because we happen to
have different beliefs than you do, we>re less well informed? I>ve puzzled
over how we managed to elect the current administration, not once, but
twice. That>s been a howling disaster, and I don>t think you can blame it
on liberals. If it>s the liberals who are so uninformed, why is it the
Republican party that>s talking about complete revamping rather than the
Democratic party?

Anne

[/quote]
My goodness, Anne. Why would you be insulted? Especially with all the
downright nastiness that>s been posted on here over the years about
conservatives in general and the current administration. We now have
Doug comparing conservatives to the KKK. More than anything, this poll
exposes slanted mainstream media. Something is very wrong when most of
the people polled knew about Palin>s wardrobe cost, but they couldn>t
identify Pelosi or Reid. Which is more important in an election?
Regardless of whether someone wants to call it "push poll" or not, these
were simple questions that anyone who>s exercising their right to vote
should have been able to answer.

Here>s part of the article referred to below:

"Ninety-four percent correctly identified Sarah Palin as the candidate
with a pregnant teenage daughter; 87 percent identified Mrs. Palin as
the candidate who said she "could see Russia from her house;" 86 percent
identified her as the candidate associated with a $150,000 wardrobe
purchased by her political party; 81 percent chose John McCain as the
candidate who was unable to identify the number of houses he owned; 81
percent knew it was Barack Obama who said the government should
redistribute the wealth; 53 percent knew it was Joe Biden who predicted
that Mr. Obama would be tested by a generated international crisis
during his first six months as president; 44 percent knew that it was
Mr. Obama who started his political career in the home of two former
members of the Weather Underground; 43 percent knew that Democrats
controlled both the House and Senate; 28 percent knew it was Mr. Biden
who had to quit an earlier campaign for president because he plagiarized
a speech; 23 percent knew it was Mr. Obama who claimed to have
campaigned in 57 states; 17 percent knew that it was Mr. Obama who won
his first election by getting all of his opponents removed from the
ballot, and 12 percent knew it was Mr. Obama who said his energy
policies likely would bankrupt the coal industry. Only 46 percent of
Obama supporters were able to answer half or more of the questions
correctly."

Here>s a link to a more in-depth article about it:

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081122/COLUMNIST14/811220345/-1/COLUMNIST

Marsha

Marsha · Guest

Doug Jones wrote:
[quote]Not only is it not true, but let>s be honest. If you did a poll of
"conservatives," particularly those who were at the Palin rallies,
you>d probably find that most of them didn>t know much about the
Constitution, that they believed Obama was a Muslim, that creationism
was a fact, and that the fundamentals of our economy are strong. Oh,
and that we shouldn>t regulate banks and the stock market.
[/quote]
Most of them? You>re entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. When
you do the same "push poll" as Zogby, let me know.

[quote]Watching some of their rallies, about the only difference I saw
between them and a KKK rally was that they weren>t wearing sheets.
[/quote]
Wow, I only pointed out that some liberals weren>t as well informed as
they should be. Good intelligent comeback, Doug.

[quote]The reality check is that Republicans got their heads handed to them,
by a huge margin, across the line. "Safe" states went blue on them.
For the most part, across the country, most states went more
Democratic than before.
[/quote]
With a lot of help from those uninformed voters who couldn>t even
identify their own party>s top people. And because ACORN rounded up
homeless people with park benches as their address so they could vote
for Obama, the savior. I love the YouTube video with the woman saying
"I don>t have to worry anymore. Obama>s going to pay for my gas and my
rent."

[quote]It>s actually for a very simple reason: They had their shot, they had
free run, they got to implement their policies. They tanked the
country.

Doug Jones
[/quote]
I>ll agree with you there. Republicans had their chance and blew it.
I>m not really happy with Bush. But when people get sick of Obama after
four years, conservatives will be back.

Marsha

Marsha · Guest

Doug Jones wrote:
[quote]Now, if you want to get into "how intelligent" conservatives are,
remember, they>re the ones now touting Sarah Palin as a future leader
of the Republican Party. <snicker
[/quote]
So you don>t mind all the slanted coverage of Palin and McCain? Those
dubious questions that Gibson asked Palin? How about Couric>s
interview? Did you see the difference between McCain>s and Obama>s
visit on The View (not that this show has any quality) We have Whoopie
asking McCain about going back to slavery, but everyone gives a group
hug for Obama and mentions how he>s so cute. Real substance. When MSM
tries to embarrass conservatives, we>re expected to lay back and enjoy
it, but when a poll comes out showing how uninformed some liberals are,
all of a sudden it>s unfair.

Marsha


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