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LEXICAL QUANTITY IN JAPANESE AND FINNISH
Toshiko Isei-Jaakkola
In Japanese a vowel sequence with a maximum of four vowel phonemes is
possible as
listed in the above section. Since the Japanese aoi does not have a
morphological
boundary, there may be triphthongs in Japanese. A sequence of four
identical vowels is
exemplified as follows:
Toooo /to|o.o|o/ (‘Eastern Europe’)
Hoooo /ho|o.o|o/ (‘Pope’).
What do the vertical bars and the dots mean? |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: How is Hoooo pronounced? |
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On Oct 17, 9:03 am, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
<ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]LEXICAL QUANTITY IN JAPANESE AND FINNISH
Toshiko Isei-Jaakkola
In Japanese a vowel sequence with a maximum of four vowel phonemes is
possible as
listed in the above section. Since the Japanese aoi does not have a
morphological
boundary, there may be triphthongs in Japanese. A sequence of four
identical vowels is
exemplified as follows:
Toooo /to|o.o|o/ (‘Eastern Europe’)
Hoooo /ho|o.o|o/ (‘Pope’).
What do the vertical bars and the dots mean?
[/quote]
Normally, a dot means syllable boundary. Isn>t the notation explained
in the article?
Normally, Jpn. consonant length is symbolized /Q/. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: How is Hoooo pronounced? |
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On Oct 17, 4:03 pm, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
<ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]LEXICAL QUANTITY IN JAPANESE AND FINNISH
Toshiko Isei-Jaakkola
In Japanese a vowel sequence with a maximum of four vowel phonemes is
possible as
listed in the above section. Since the Japanese aoi does not have a
morphological
boundary, there may be triphthongs in Japanese. A sequence of four
identical vowels is
exemplified as follows:
Toooo /to|o.o|o/ (‘Eastern Europe’)
Hoooo /ho|o.o|o/ (‘Pope’).
[/quote]
Sounds interesting.
In Finnish, we can have sequences of lots of vowel phonemes. The
contrived word "hääyöaie" ("wedding night intention") is a
little...um, contrived, but still, it is thinkable that there is a
more natural compound word with as many vowels, just waiting to be
discovered by some lexicographer. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: How is Hoooo pronounced? |
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On Oct 17, 9:03 am, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
<ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]LEXICAL QUANTITY IN JAPANESE AND FINNISH
Toshiko Isei-Jaakkola
In Japanese a vowel sequence with a maximum of four vowel phonemes is
possible as
listed in the above section. Since the Japanese aoi does not have a
morphological
boundary, there may be triphthongs in Japanese. A sequence of four
identical vowels is
exemplified as follows:
Toooo /to|o.o|o/ (‘Eastern Europe’)
Hoooo /ho|o.o|o/ (‘Pope’).
What do the vertical bars and the dots mean?
[/quote]
This unbelievable (but apparently true).
Europe = youroppa, yo-roppa
East = azuma, touzainanboku, higashi, roppou, i-suto
How could they possibly get toooo by putting them together? and its
not as if they have had centuries and centuries of lenition to produce
this amazing word. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: How is Hoooo pronounced? |
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On Oct 17, 10:32 am, analys...@hotmail.com wrote:
[quote]On Oct 17, 9:03 am, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
LEXICAL QUANTITY IN JAPANESE AND FINNISH
Toshiko Isei-Jaakkola
In Japanese a vowel sequence with a maximum of four vowel phonemes is
possible as
listed in the above section. Since the Japanese aoi does not have a
morphological
boundary, there may be triphthongs in Japanese. A sequence of four
identical vowels is
exemplified as follows:
Toooo /to|o.o|o/ (‘Eastern Europe’)
Hoooo /ho|o.o|o/ (‘Pope’).
What do the vertical bars and the dots mean?
This unbelievable (but apparently true).
Europe = youroppa, yo-roppa
East = azuma, touzainanboku, higashi, roppou, i-suto
How could they possibly get toooo by putting them together? and its
not as if they have had centuries and centuries of lenition to produce
this amazing word.
[/quote]
at least in the case of 'Pope' there is some idea how pretty much all
the consonants got lost.
houou, kyoukou, kyouou |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: How is Hoooo pronounced? |
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On Oct 17, 11:19 am, Harlan Messinger
<hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
[quote]analys...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Oct 17, 9:03 am, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
LEXICAL QUANTITY IN JAPANESE AND FINNISH
Toshiko Isei-Jaakkola
In Japanese a vowel sequence with a maximum of four vowel phonemes is
possible as
listed in the above section. Since the Japanese aoi does not have a
morphological
boundary, there may be triphthongs in Japanese. A sequence of four
identical vowels is
exemplified as follows:
Toooo /to|o.o|o/ ('Eastern Europe')
Hoooo /ho|o.o|o/ ('Pope').
What do the vertical bars and the dots mean?
This unbelievable (but apparently true).
Europe = youroppa, yo-roppa
East = azuma, touzainanboku, higashi, roppou, i-suto
How could they possibly get toooo by putting them together?
They didn>t. They also didn>t get "Tokyo" (tookyoo, "eastern capital")
from azuma or touzainaboku or higashi or roppou or i-suoto.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
tô (east) + kyô (capital)) from wikiperdia. |
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ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: How is Hoooo pronounced? |
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On Oct 17, 8:39 am, analys...@hotmail.com wrote:
[quote]On Oct 17, 11:19 am, Harlan Messinger
hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
analys...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Oct 17, 9:03 am, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
LEXICAL QUANTITY IN JAPANESE AND FINNISH
Toshiko Isei-Jaakkola
In Japanese a vowel sequence with a maximum of four vowel phonemes is
possible as
listed in the above section. Since the Japanese aoi does not have a
morphological
boundary, there may be triphthongs in Japanese. A sequence of four
identical vowels is
exemplified as follows:
Toooo /to|o.o|o/ ('Eastern Europe')
Hoooo /ho|o.o|o/ ('Pope').
What do the vertical bars and the dots mean?
This unbelievable (but apparently true).
Europe = youroppa, yo-roppa
East = azuma, touzainanboku, higashi, roppou, i-suto
How could they possibly get toooo by putting them together?
They didn>t. They also didn>t get "Tokyo" (tookyoo, "eastern capital")
from azuma or touzainaboku or higashi or roppou or i-suoto.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
tô (east) + kyô (capital)) from wikiperdia.
[/quote]
My guide said it meant East Kyoto (does kyoto means capital?). Tokyo
looks to me like a double entendre. It is kyoto backwards (syllables
reversed) and it also reads as East Kyoto. I asked why East Kyoto
wasn>t called Higashi Kyo. Someone said there would be no spelling
difference between To Kyo and Higashi Kyo, so one can read the
spelling of To Kyo as Higashi Kyo. |
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ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: How is Hoooo pronounced? |
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On Oct 17, 6:17 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 17, 9:03 am, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
LEXICAL QUANTITY IN JAPANESE AND FINNISH
Toshiko Isei-Jaakkola
In Japanese a vowel sequence with a maximum of four vowel phonemes is
possible as
listed in the above section. Since the Japanese aoi does not have a
morphological
boundary, there may be triphthongs in Japanese. A sequence of four
identical vowels is
exemplified as follows:
Toooo /to|o.o|o/ (‘Eastern Europe’)
Hoooo /ho|o.o|o/ (‘Pope’).
What do the vertical bars and the dots mean?
Normally, a dot means syllable boundary. Isn>t the notation explained
in the article?
[/quote]
Not explained. According to this, it is ho-oh.
http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/archive/index.php?t-12949.html
Ho-oh is a good example. One standard romanization system would result
in it being written Hoooo...
> Normally, Jpn. consonant length is symbolized /Q/. |
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Harlan Messinger
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: How is Hoooo pronounced? |
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ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com wrote:
[quote]LEXICAL QUANTITY IN JAPANESE AND FINNISH
Toshiko Isei-Jaakkola
In Japanese a vowel sequence with a maximum of four vowel phonemes is
possible as
listed in the above section. Since the Japanese aoi does not have a
morphological
boundary, there may be triphthongs in Japanese. A sequence of four
identical vowels is
exemplified as follows:
Toooo /to|o.o|o/ (‘Eastern Europe’)
Hoooo /ho|o.o|o/ (‘Pope’).
What do the vertical bars and the dots mean?
[/quote]
I expect that they represent the high and low of the Japanese pitch
accent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_pitch_accent). |
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Harlan Messinger
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: How is Hoooo pronounced? |
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analyst41@hotmail.com wrote:
[quote]On Oct 17, 9:03 am, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
LEXICAL QUANTITY IN JAPANESE AND FINNISH
Toshiko Isei-Jaakkola
In Japanese a vowel sequence with a maximum of four vowel phonemes is
possible as
listed in the above section. Since the Japanese aoi does not have a
morphological
boundary, there may be triphthongs in Japanese. A sequence of four
identical vowels is
exemplified as follows:
Toooo /to|o.o|o/ (‘Eastern Europe’)
Hoooo /ho|o.o|o/ (‘Pope’).
What do the vertical bars and the dots mean?
This unbelievable (but apparently true).
Europe = youroppa, yo-roppa
East = azuma, touzainanboku, higashi, roppou, i-suto
How could they possibly get toooo by putting them together?
[/quote]
They didn>t. They also didn>t get "Tokyo" (tookyoo, "eastern capital")
from azuma or touzainaboku or higashi or roppou or i-suoto. |
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Richard Herring
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: How is Hoooo pronounced? |
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In message
<3b50e212-9a7a-4820-97bb-2cad1bfebcf8@t42g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Peter T. Daniels <grammatim@verizon.net> writes
[quote]On Oct 17, 9:03 am, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
LEXICAL QUANTITY IN JAPANESE AND FINNISH
Toshiko Isei-Jaakkola
In Japanese a vowel sequence with a maximum of four vowel phonemes is
possible as
listed in the above section. Since the Japanese aoi does not have a
morphological
boundary, there may be triphthongs in Japanese. A sequence of four
identical vowels is
exemplified as follows:
Toooo /to|o.o|o/ (‘Eastern Europe’)
Hoooo /ho|o.o|o/ (‘Pope’).
What do the vertical bars and the dots mean?
Normally, a dot means syllable boundary.
[/quote]
In which case presumably the bars represent a non-syllabic mora
boundary.
[quote]Isn>t the notation explained
in the article?
Normally, Jpn. consonant length is symbolized /Q/.
[/quote]
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Richard Herring |
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benlizro@ihug.co.nz
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: How is Hoooo pronounced? |
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On Oct 18, 9:20 am, Joachim Pense <s...@pense-mainz.eu> wrote:
[quote]ranjit_math...@yahoo.com (in sci.lang):
On Oct 17, 6:17 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Oct 17, 9:03 am, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
LEXICAL QUANTITY IN JAPANESE AND FINNISH
Toshiko Isei-Jaakkola
In Japanese a vowel sequence with a maximum of four vowel phonemes is
possible as
listed in the above section. Since the Japanese aoi does not have a
morphological
boundary, there may be triphthongs in Japanese. A sequence of four
identical vowels is
exemplified as follows:
Toooo /to|o.o|o/ (‘Eastern Europe’)
Hoooo /ho|o.o|o/ (‘Pope’).
What do the vertical bars and the dots mean?
Normally, a dot means syllable boundary. Isn>t the notation explained
in the article?
Not explained. According to this, it is ho-oh.
http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/archive/index.php?t-12949.html
Ho-oh is a good example. One standard romanization system would result
in it being written Hoooo...
How>s it spelled in Kana?
Joachim
[/quote]
It>s written with two kanji ("law king"), and I think would have to be
<ho u o u> in kana, since
<o u>. = /o:/.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: How is Hoooo pronounced? |
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On Oct 17, 1:20 pm, Joachim Pense <s...@pense-mainz.eu> wrote:
[quote]ranjit_math...@yahoo.com (in sci.lang):
On Oct 17, 6:17 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Oct 17, 9:03 am, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
LEXICAL QUANTITY IN JAPANESE AND FINNISH
Toshiko Isei-Jaakkola
In Japanese a vowel sequence with a maximum of four vowel phonemes is
possible as
listed in the above section. Since the Japanese aoi does not have a
morphological
boundary, there may be triphthongs in Japanese. A sequence of four
identical vowels is
exemplified as follows:
Toooo /to|o.o|o/ (‘Eastern Europe’)
Hoooo /ho|o.o|o/ (‘Pope’).
What do the vertical bars and the dots mean?
Normally, a dot means syllable boundary. Isn>t the notation explained
in the article?
Not explained. According to this, it is ho-oh.
http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/archive/index.php?t-12949.html
Ho-oh is a good example. One standard romanization system would result
in it being written Hoooo...
How>s it spelled in Kana?
Joachim
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These are what I can find, but I can>t read them:
http://ext.dictionary.goo.ne.jp/search.php?MT=pope&kind=all&mode=0&IE=euc-jp
http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=pope&stype=0&dtype=2 |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: How is Hoooo pronounced? |
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ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com wrote:
[quote]On Oct 17, 8:39 am, analys...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Oct 17, 11:19 am, Harlan Messinger
hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
analys...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Oct 17, 9:03 am, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
LEXICAL QUANTITY IN JAPANESE AND FINNISH
Toshiko Isei-Jaakkola
In Japanese a vowel sequence with a maximum of four vowel phonemes is
possible as
listed in the above section. Since the Japanese aoi does not have a
morphological
boundary, there may be triphthongs in Japanese. A sequence of four
identical vowels is
exemplified as follows:
Toooo /to|o.o|o/ ('Eastern Europe')
Hoooo /ho|o.o|o/ ('Pope').
What do the vertical bars and the dots mean?
This unbelievable (but apparently true).
Europe = youroppa, yo-roppa
East = azuma, touzainanboku, higashi, roppou, i-suto
How could they possibly get toooo by putting them together?
They didn>t. They also didn>t get "Tokyo" (tookyoo, "eastern capital")
from azuma or touzainaboku or higashi or roppou or i-suoto.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
tô (east) + kyô (capital)) from wikiperdia.
My guide said it meant East Kyoto (does kyoto means capital?).
[/quote]
"Kyoo" = "capital" in both Tokyo (tookyoo) and Kyoto (kyooto). But Tokyo
has "too" = "east", while Kyoto has "to" = "big city".
[quote]Tokyo
looks to me like a double entendre. It is kyoto backwards (syllables
reversed) and it also reads as East Kyoto. I asked why East Kyoto
wasn>t called Higashi Kyo. Someone said there would be no spelling
difference between To Kyo and Higashi Kyo, so one can read the
spelling of To Kyo as Higashi Kyo.
[/quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On%27yomi#Readings |
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ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: How is Hoooo pronounced? |
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On Oct 17, 2:30 pm, "benli...@ihug.co.nz" <benli...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 18, 9:20 am, Joachim Pense <s...@pense-mainz.eu> wrote:
ranjit_math...@yahoo.com (in sci.lang):
On Oct 17, 6:17 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Oct 17, 9:03 am, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
LEXICAL QUANTITY IN JAPANESE AND FINNISH
Toshiko Isei-Jaakkola
In Japanese a vowel sequence with a maximum of four vowel phonemes is
possible as
listed in the above section. Since the Japanese aoi does not have a
morphological
boundary, there may be triphthongs in Japanese. A sequence of four
identical vowels is
exemplified as follows:
Toooo /to|o.o|o/ (‘Eastern Europe’)
Hoooo /ho|o.o|o/ (‘Pope’).
What do the vertical bars and the dots mean?
Normally, a dot means syllable boundary. Isn>t the notation explained
in the article?
Not explained. According to this, it is ho-oh.
http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/archive/index.php?t-12949.html
Ho-oh is a good example. One standard romanization system would result
in it being written Hoooo...
How>s it spelled in Kana?
Joachim
It>s written with two kanji ("law king"), and I think would have to be
ho u o u> in kana, since
o u>. = /o:/.
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Is there an <o o> too? |
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