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 Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:33 am Post subject: Re: Savanna experts (Re: H.erectus endurance running makes s |
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On Jul 28, 12:25 am, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 27, 11:16 am, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Jul 26, 5:23 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Yet you>d have us ignore the fact that we run about 1/3 the speed of
lion and hyena.
No response.- Hide quoted text -
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For that to mean anything, Dimmy, you>d have to be worth talkin' to.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:37 am Post subject: Re: Savanna experts (Re: H.erectus endurance running makes s |
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On Jul 28, 10:24 am, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 27, 8:01 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 27, 11:16 am, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Jul 26, 5:23 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hominid ancestors tools have been found out on the hot,
dry, savanna along side ostrich shells
for the last 2.6 million years.
Simply not true. All hominid fossils have been found at locations
that were considerably more treed and well watered at the time they
were lain down at these locations.
I didn>t say fossils, you shithead, I said tools. Come back when you
lean to read.
Tools are fossils. IOW, same difference.
[/quote]
"Tools are fossils."
Dimmy --07/28/2008 |
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Claudius Denk
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: Savanna experts (Re: H.erectus endurance running makes s |
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On Jul 28, 10:32 am, "Rick Wagler" <taxid...@shaw.ca> wrote:
[quote]"Claudius Denk" <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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On Jul 27, 8:01 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 27, 11:16 am, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Jul 26, 5:23 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hominid ancestors tools have been found out on the hot,
dry, savanna along side ostrich shells
for the last 2.6 million years.
Simply not true. All hominid fossils have been found at locations
that were considerably more treed and well watered at the time they
were lain down at these locations.
I didn>t say fossils, you shithead, I said tools. Come back when you
lean to read.
Tools are fossils. IOW, same difference.
* Lee, when dealing with Jim you have to realize he uses a private
* language unique to him. Try asking him what 'culture' is.
* Rick Wagler
[/quote]
Well, Rick, maybe you need to contact the various archeological
organizations to inform them as to why you believe they should no
longer consider tools to be fossils.
Good luck with that :) |
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Claudius Denk
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Savanna experts (Re: H.erectus endurance running makes s |
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On Jul 28, 11:02 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 28, 8:24 am, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Jul 27, 8:01 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 27, 11:16 am, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Jul 26, 5:23 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hominid ancestors tools have been found out on the hot,
dry, savanna along side ostrich shells
for the last 2.6 million years.
Simply not true. All hominid fossils have been found at locations
that were considerably more treed and well watered at the time they
were lain down at these locations.
I didn>t say fossils, you shithead, I said tools. Come back when you
lean to read.
Tools are fossils. IOW, same difference.
Only to an idiot.
[/quote]
All archeologists consider stone tools to be fossils. Do you consider
them idiots?
[quote]Fossils fossilize near water,
[/quote]
Yeah, so?
[quote]the results are then
biased.
[/quote]
Absurd. The distribution of these stone-tool artifacts (specifically
their proximity to each other) are inconsistent with redeposition
through alluvial action. IOW, the stone tools are found at locations
they were laid down. And, without exception, these locations were
well watered and well treed at the time they were lain down.
[quote]Even Verhaegin knew that (TREE 2002). Stone tools, on the
otherhand, are found everywhere
[/quote]
Everywhere? That>s absurd.
[quote]throughout the Rift basins, inbetween,
and on tops of mountains.
[/quote]
And so, in your mind, it>s just a coincidence that these mountain
locations are always within walking distance to locations that were
well watered and well treed at the time they were lain down?
[quote]There is no preference for trees, you moron.
[/quote]
Preference? (Learn to express yourself clearly.)
[quote]Early Homo was hauling rock by the ton from distant locations, do you
think they hopped from tree to tree?
[/quote]
Uh, I think you>re letting your imagination get away with you.
[quote]
"sand bed ephemeral stream..." Roche (1999:87).
Nature 1999 May 6;399(6731):57-60.
"A variety of data, including the presence of rootlet holes and reed
casts in Tuff IB has led to the interpretation that FLKNN was
situated
in the lake margin zone ca. 1 km from the paleo-lake (Leakey, 1971).
[/quote]
1km. That>s close. Thank you for helping me make my point
[quote]
"At Olduvai the Acheulean sites tend to lie along the former stream
channels away from the playa lakes." Hay 1967a, 1976.
[/quote]
Ditto.
[quote]
Isaac (1977) Page 21: "The archaeological materials are consentrated
in floodplain deposits
that were generally at least 1 kilometer distant from stable lake
waters (see table 6, chapt 4).
Page 84: "Where the relationship of sites to laterally equivalent
lacustrine deposits can be traced, the indications are that the sites
were a
considerabledistance from the standing waters (see table 6). There are
goods reasons for camping
some distance from standing fresh water. The mosquitoes are so
prodigiously dense
the any Masai and Sonjo camps within a mile of the swamps are
furnished with sleeping
platforms raised 10 to 15 ft, in order to reduce the sleepers
discomfort."
[/quote]
Once again, this example confirms my point.
[quote]Table 6 lists 18 sites: all 1 to 3 km from stable lake waters. This is
the identical
distance the Hadza camp away from water sources today.
Isaac, Glynn L. 1977
Olorgesailie: Archeological Studies of a Middle Pleistocene Lake
Basin in Kenya.
Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
J. F. O>Connell, K. Hawkes, K. D. Lupo and N. G. Blurton Jones
Male strategies and Plio-Pleistocene
archaeology
Journal of Human Evolution Vol 43(6)
December 2002, Pages 831-872
"The common presence of large
predators, especially in the late dry,
[/quote]
The late dry season. Just as my hypothesis predicts.
[quote]makes them dangerous places, especially at
night, even for hunters in thorn-walled
blinds. Women and children rarely visit
these locations after dark. Among the
Hadza, base camps are almost always established
in other settings, 10–20 minutes
walk from permanent water, generally
outside riparian habitats, especially in the
dry season."
[/quote]
Once again, this evidence perfectly dovetails with my hypothesis.
Folow this link:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.anthropology.paleo/browse_thread/thread/7b5cb76ec60afa18?hl=en#
[quote]
I live in an area that gets less rain than a savanna. The sites,
prehistoric and historic, used by NAs here show preference for sandy
areas and good exposure to the sun, and sometimes close to water, but
not always. There is no preference for treed areas (which are few and
far between) or even protection from the wind, like a hill. Most are
out in the open away from obstacles of any kind. You do not want to
give a predator or an enemy the opportunity to sneak up under cover
to snatch your kid away if you turn you back for an instant.
[/quote]
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Claudius Denk
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: Savanna experts (Re: H.erectus endurance running makes s |
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On Jul 31, 12:32 pm, "Rick Wagler" <taxid...@shaw.ca> wrote:
[quote]"Claudius Denk" <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:049fa671-c0af-4308-8d92-dfe7a8438881@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 28, 10:32 am, "Rick Wagler" <taxid...@shaw.ca> wrote:
"Claudius Denk" <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:d201e4b9-57f9-43e8-afc3-f9123742c2f2@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com....
On Jul 27, 8:01 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 27, 11:16 am, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Jul 26, 5:23 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hominid ancestors tools have been found out on the hot,
dry, savanna along side ostrich shells
for the last 2.6 million years.
Simply not true. All hominid fossils have been found at locations
that were considerably more treed and well watered at the time they
were lain down at these locations.
I didn>t say fossils, you shithead, I said tools. Come back when you
lean to read.
Tools are fossils. IOW, same difference.
* Lee, when dealing with Jim you have to realize he uses a private
* language unique to him. Try asking him what 'culture' is.
* Rick Wagler
Well, Rick, maybe you need to contact the various archeological
organizations to inform them as to why you believe they should no
longer consider tools to be fossils.
Good luck with that :)
* What professionals in what organization do not
* accept the definition of fossils as mineralized organic
* remains and distinguishes them from *artefacts*,
* camp sites, garbage piles and other staples of
* pre-historic archaeology? The ones that think that
* inventing 8 MM year old a>piths simply to bolster
* an argument is acceptable practise?
[/quote]
Hmm, so, let me get this straight. In your mind if they are artifacts
they can>t be fossils? Why don>t you write a letter to the American
Archeological Society and explain this to them. |
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Rick Wagler
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: Re: Savanna experts (Re: H.erectus endurance running makes s |
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"Claudius Denk" <claudiusdenk@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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On Jul 28, 10:32 am, "Rick Wagler" <taxid...@shaw.ca> wrote:
[quote]"Claudius Denk" <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:d201e4b9-57f9-43e8-afc3-f9123742c2f2@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 27, 8:01 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 27, 11:16 am, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Jul 26, 5:23 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hominid ancestors tools have been found out on the hot,
dry, savanna along side ostrich shells
for the last 2.6 million years.
Simply not true. All hominid fossils have been found at locations
that were considerably more treed and well watered at the time they
were lain down at these locations.
I didn>t say fossils, you shithead, I said tools. Come back when you
lean to read.
Tools are fossils. IOW, same difference.
* Lee, when dealing with Jim you have to realize he uses a private
* language unique to him. Try asking him what 'culture' is.
* Rick Wagler
[/quote]
Well, Rick, maybe you need to contact the various archeological
organizations to inform them as to why you believe they should no
longer consider tools to be fossils.
Good luck with that :)
* What professionals in what organization do not
* accept the definition of fossils as mineralized organic
* remains and distinguishes them from *artefacts*,
* camp sites, garbage piles and other staples of
* pre-historic archaeology? The ones that think that
* inventing 8 MM year old a>piths simply to bolster
* an argument is acceptable practise?
* Rick Wagler |
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mclark
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:32 am Post subject: Re: Savanna experts (Re: H.erectus endurance running makes s |
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On Jul 31, 5:35 pm, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 31, 12:32 pm, "Rick Wagler" <taxid...@shaw.ca> wrote:
"Claudius Denk" <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:049fa671-c0af-4308-8d92-dfe7a8438881@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com....
On Jul 28, 10:32 am, "Rick Wagler" <taxid...@shaw.ca> wrote:
"Claudius Denk" <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:d201e4b9-57f9-43e8-afc3-f9123742c2f2@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com....
On Jul 27, 8:01 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 27, 11:16 am, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Jul 26, 5:23 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hominid ancestors tools have been found out on the hot,
dry, savanna along side ostrich shells
for the last 2.6 million years.
Simply not true. All hominid fossils have been found at locations
that were considerably more treed and well watered at the time they
were lain down at these locations.
I didn>t say fossils, you shithead, I said tools. Come back when you
lean to read.
Tools are fossils. IOW, same difference.
* Lee, when dealing with Jim you have to realize he uses a private
* language unique to him. Try asking him what 'culture' is.
* Rick Wagler
Well, Rick, maybe you need to contact the various archeological
organizations to inform them as to why you believe they should no
longer consider tools to be fossils.
Good luck with that :)
* What professionals in what organization do not
* accept the definition of fossils as mineralized organic
* remains and distinguishes them from *artefacts*,
* camp sites, garbage piles and other staples of
* pre-historic archaeology? The ones that think that
* inventing 8 MM year old a>piths simply to bolster
* an argument is acceptable practise?
Hmm, so, let me get this straight. In your mind if they are artifacts
they can>t be fossils? Why don>t you write a letter to the American
Archeological Society and explain this to them.- Hide quoted text -
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Being stupid again, Dimmy? Why don>t *you* provide
some definitions here for your breathless audience?
You know, something resembling a ~link~ or even
a cribbed bit of text (clearly referenced of course).
Wouldn>t that be fun? Come on, just this once,
amaze your critics with some basic investigation.
You know what? I don>t think you can do it.
I think you>re chicken. (buck, buck, buck)
===================================" I knew you wouldn>t answer the question."
--Dimmy [aka Claudius, Jim McGinn] 12/08/2006 |
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