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fasgnadh · Guest

Force Majeure wrote:
[quote]Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
And today, if a white women is stupid enuf to bear a kid sired by a
nigger, we all know she is out of the white gene pool, and the Black man
has done us all a favor. And if you cannot figure that out, you are just
as fucking stupid as he is. The Aryan race has always been about quality
not quantity. And now, the white matron class is going to drive up the
quality by supporting the progeny of the most talented white men who>ve
donated to the fertility clinics. They have done us a favor.

[/quote]
yo Momma has black African DNA! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

[quote]Is this some kind of parody?

"enuf"?

[/quote]
Just give him a banana. ;-)

"THE GENOGRAPHIC PROJECT, A LANDMARK FIVE-YEAR STUDY
CONDUCTED BY IBM AND NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC EXPLORES
THE ROOTS OF HUMANITY:

In the space of just a few thousand generations,
the linguistic, cultural and genetic diversity
of the human race has exploded. Scientists agree
that all humans share a common ancestry in Africa.
Much less well understood is how the human race
migrated out of Africa and became so diverse."

www.ibm.com/dna

http://tinyurl.com/29qlqv

One Planet - One People

There is only ONE 'race', the Human Race:

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The true-blue Homestead;

http://geocities.com/fairdinkum_trueblue/

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Cultural Supremacist · Guest

In article <4883ad4c$0$1024$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]Force Majeure wrote:
Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
And today, if a white women is stupid enuf to bear a kid sired by a
nigger, we all know she is out of the white gene pool, and the Black man
has done us all a favor. And if you cannot figure that out, you are just
as fucking stupid as he is. The Aryan race has always been about quality
not quantity. And now, the white matron class is going to drive up the
quality by supporting the progeny of the most talented white men who>ve
donated to the fertility clinics. They have done us a favor.

yo Momma has black African DNA! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

Is this some kind of parody?

"enuf"?

Just give him a banana. ;-)

"THE GENOGRAPHIC PROJECT, A LANDMARK FIVE-YEAR STUDY
CONDUCTED BY IBM AND NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC EXPLORES
THE ROOTS OF HUMANITY:

In the space of just a few thousand generations,
the linguistic, cultural and genetic diversity
of the human race has exploded. Scientists agree
that all humans share a common ancestry in Africa.
Much less well understood is how the human race
migrated out of Africa and became so diverse."

www.ibm.com/dna

http://tinyurl.com/29qlqv

One Planet - One People
[/quote]
LOL, this guy thinks he>s really got something there. What about that
ape DNA?

CS

fasgnadh · Guest

Cultural Supremacist wrote:
[quote]In article <4883ad4c$0$1024$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote:

Force Majeure wrote:
Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
And today, if a white women is stupid enuf to bear a kid sired by a
nigger, we all know she is out of the white gene pool, and the Black man
has done us all a favor. And if you cannot figure that out, you are just
as fucking stupid as he is. The Aryan race has always been about quality
not quantity. And now, the white matron class is going to drive up the
quality by supporting the progeny of the most talented white men who>ve
donated to the fertility clinics. They have done us a favor.

yo Momma has black African DNA! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

Is this some kind of parody?

"enuf"?

Just give him a banana. ;-)

"THE GENOGRAPHIC PROJECT, A LANDMARK FIVE-YEAR STUDY
CONDUCTED BY IBM AND NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC EXPLORES
THE ROOTS OF HUMANITY:

In the space of just a few thousand generations,
the linguistic, cultural and genetic diversity
of the human race has exploded. Scientists agree
that all humans share a common ancestry in Africa.
Much less well understood is how the human race
migrated out of Africa and became so diverse."

www.ibm.com/dna

http://tinyurl.com/29qlqv

One Planet - One People
....
What about that ape DNA?
[/quote]
Can you explain how it got into your family? B^]

Did you enjoy he Banana? B^D

[quote]CS
[/quote]

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"In the United States both scholars and the general
public have been conditioned to viewing human races
as natural and separate divisions within the human
species based on visible physical differences.
With the vast expansion of scientific knowledge
in this century, however, it has become clear that
human populations are not unambiguous, clearly
demarcated, biologically distinct groups.
Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA)
indicates that most physical variation, about 94%,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
lies within so-called racial groups.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
....
This means that there is greater variation
within "racial" groups than between them.
In neighboring populations there is much
overlapping of genes and their phenotypic
(physical) expressions.
Throughout history whenever different groups
have come into contact, they have interbred. "

- American Anthropological Association

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Cultural Supremacist · Guest

In article <48844672$0$13945$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]Cultural Supremacist wrote:
In article <4883ad4c$0$1024$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote:

Force Majeure wrote:
Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
And today, if a white women is stupid enuf to bear a kid sired by a
nigger, we all know she is out of the white gene pool, and the Black man
has done us all a favor. And if you cannot figure that out, you are just
as fucking stupid as he is. The Aryan race has always been about quality
not quantity. And now, the white matron class is going to drive up the
quality by supporting the progeny of the most talented white men who>ve
donated to the fertility clinics. They have done us a favor.

yo Momma has black African DNA! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

Is this some kind of parody?

"enuf"?

Just give him a banana. ;-)

"THE GENOGRAPHIC PROJECT, A LANDMARK FIVE-YEAR STUDY
CONDUCTED BY IBM AND NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC EXPLORES
THE ROOTS OF HUMANITY:

In the space of just a few thousand generations,
the linguistic, cultural and genetic diversity
of the human race has exploded. Scientists agree
that all humans share a common ancestry in Africa.
Much less well understood is how the human race
migrated out of Africa and became so diverse."

www.ibm.com/dna

http://tinyurl.com/29qlqv

One Planet - One People
...
What about that ape DNA?

Can you explain how it got into your family? B^]

Did you enjoy he Banana? B^D
[/quote]
LOL, it doesn>t mean we>re all the same, idiot. Imagine, you the same as
me. Now that>s funny.

CS

Comm · Guest

This is old news. I recommend my favorite book - but now I have a NEW
favorite book that is a must read, thanks to Don on here, or whoever it was
that mentioned it. To think, I thought the title was a joke or some kind of
flame. Then I looked it up. EXCELLENT book and it>s serious too (despite
the dumb title).

1. The Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald.
2. Erectus Walks Among Us by Richard D. Fuerle Ignore the title and book
cover, the book is dead serious and scientific.

Anyone with eyes not afraid to admit it knows this (what you describe below)
has been doing on for decades against European people. So why aren>t
European people TAKING BACK their countries by any means necessary? WHY?
That>s what I don>t get. Are they that afraid of being called names?
Multiculture doesn>t work when it leads to balkanization, when the cultures
just can NOT blend or add to each other (such as how Italians made pizza
American, Hispanics made some foods and dances American, Germans made
Hamburger American, and etc).

The Pope is going to have to step up hard and get nationalism going strong,
with religious overtones if that>s even possible. At least the Pope has
modernized the religion (Big Bang is accepted Catholic)... I don>t know if
even that would work. They need a Hitler - and anyone with common sense
KNOWS this. Oh, that WOULD work.

<jimj122680@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:18c2ef5b-ca55-4560-95b5-9e33838892cb@c22g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
[quote]MASSIVE 3rd WORLD IMMIGRATION INTO WHITE WESTERN NATIONS = TOOL OF
GLOBAL ELITE TO BREAK APART THE WEST

Massive 3rd world immigration into white Western nations (ie.
multiculturalism) is a tool the global elite have been using to slowly
break apart white Western nations. Ethnic/racial balkanization always
results when different "tribes" occupy the same land. A cursory look
at the last 6,000 years of recored history proves this. The global
elite know that multiculturalism will tear any nation apart from
within, which is exactly why they have been pushing multiculturalism
for the past 50 years on the West. The global elite want a one world
gov>t and the Western nations stand as the #1 obstactle to this goal,
this is why the elite set out some 50 years ago to destroy the West.
They have no army to do so and hence they use massive 3rd world
immigration to acheive this goal. Combined with massive immigration
is slick public relations campaign with slogans like, "diversity is
our strenth", "celebrate diversity", etc. All nonsense. Diversity is
a weakness, a cancer... history proves this.
Don>t be fooled into believing "multiculturalism is a strength". The
truth is that whites are being targeted. Have you ever noticed that
it>s only white nations which are subjected to massive immigration and
who must henceforth "celebrate diversity". Do you hear about
diversity campaigns in Japan, China, Middle Eastern countries, African
countries, etc.????? Never. Don>t be fooled.

I am not some "hater". I have visited over 40 countries and lived in
four besides the United States. I am curious about the world and it>s
different cultures, but I am keenly aware that mixing endless numbers
of cultures/ethnicities/etc in the same nation will always lead to a
fractured society and will eventually lead to violent conflict.
History proves this.

###[/quote]

Day Brown · Guest

Comm wrote:
[quote]This is old news. I recommend my favorite book - but now I have a NEW
favorite book that is a must read, thanks to Don on here, or whoever it was
that mentioned it. To think, I thought the title was a joke or some kind of
flame. Then I looked it up. EXCELLENT book and it>s serious too (despite
the dumb title).

1. The Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald.
2. Erectus Walks Among Us by Richard D. Fuerle Ignore the title and book
cover, the book is dead serious and scientific.

Anyone with eyes not afraid to admit it knows this (what you describe below)
has been doing on for decades against European people. So why aren>t
European people TAKING BACK their countries by any means necessary? WHY?
They still need to abandon a Semitic religion and get back to their own[/quote]
Aryan tribal roots. Which increasing numbers of young women, in
particular, are doing. They recognize the misogyny of Semetic religions.

Even tho many think they are secular, their own legal systems are still
largely based on Christian values. Which, among other things, say they
are their brother>s keepers; in this case, Muslims. In America, Blacks
and Hispanics.

Note that in both Europe and America, there>s no problem with Chinese,
Korean, or Japanese people coming in and intermarrying. These East
Asians do not follow any of the Semitic religions. And if Aryans move to
East Asia and marry, there>s no problem if such Aryans do not worship a
Semitic god. In both East and West, the children of such unions get on
well in either culture and their careers are not held back by racism.

Comm · Guest

"Day Brown" <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote in message
news:48e7150a$0$529$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
[quote]Comm wrote:
This is old news. I recommend my favorite book - but now I have a NEW
favorite book that is a must read, thanks to Don on here, or whoever it
was that mentioned it. To think, I thought the title was a joke or some
kind of flame. Then I looked it up. EXCELLENT book and it>s serious too
(despite the dumb title).

1. The Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald.
2. Erectus Walks Among Us by Richard D. Fuerle Ignore the title and book
cover, the book is dead serious and scientific.

Anyone with eyes not afraid to admit it knows this (what you describe
below) has been doing on for decades against European people. So why
aren>t European people TAKING BACK their countries by any means
necessary? WHY?

They still need to abandon a Semitic religion and get back to their own
Aryan tribal roots. Which increasing numbers of young women, in
particular, are doing. They recognize the misogyny of Semetic religions.
[/quote]
Sure, but Catholicism is more like Egyptian mystery stuff than Jewish stuff.
I know women are doing that.
[quote]
Even tho many think they are secular, their own legal systems are still
largely based on Christian values. Which, among other things, say they are
their brother>s keepers; in this case, Muslims. In America, Blacks and
Hispanics.
[/quote]
These people need to be recognized as NOT brothers. It>s that simple.
[quote]
Note that in both Europe and America, there>s no problem with Chinese,
Korean, or Japanese people coming in and intermarrying. These East Asians
do not follow any of the Semitic religions.
[/quote]
I know that - and the kids look European, I notice. Euroasians are very
closely related.

And if Aryans move to
[quote]East Asia and marry, there>s no problem if such Aryans do not worship a
Semitic god. In both East and West, the children of such unions get on
well in either culture and their careers are not held back by racism.
[/quote]
Yup.

Check THIS out - you>ll like it
http://www.erectuswalksamongst.us

It>s worth the read (heh, considering I bought the book before it was up for
free :( )

Comm · Guest

Try this, Richard Lynn agrees with 99% of it

http://www.erectuswalksamongst.us

<morenotiziani@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2eb24193-53f8-40d6-b417-ad1c832f172d@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
[quote]Dear Friends,
I>m a physical anthropologist working for Antrocom Onlus, an Italian
association involved in biological and cultural anthropology
researches and divulgation.
One of our aims is to provide informations to students and young
researchers about the "world of anthropology", in Italy and abroad. We
are interested in knowing the situation of biological anthropology in
your country, and so I hope you can help me in this way.
For example, I know that in USA Anthropology is divided in four fields
and students can learn in "Departments of Anthropology". In Italy,
instead, we can learn physical anthropology only under "Natural
Sciences" and "Biological Sciences" courses at university. There are
not faculties of anthropology here.
Can you tell me, please, "how to" become a physical anthropology and
the organization of academy courses in your country?
Are there any sources I can consult to have an overview of
anthropological studies?
Is there any association for physical anthropology?
What is the job prospect of the students?
If you want to read more about us, please visit:
http://www.isita-org.com/jass/Contents/2007%20vol85/Articoli/Tiziani.pdf
http://www.antrocom.net
(articles in english language)
Thanks a lot for your help! :)

Moreno Tiziani[/quote]

Comm · Guest

Try this
http://www.erectuswalksamongst.us

"Marcel F. Williams" <newpapyrus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cc1ac668-b3a7-4da4-a0fe-81f9588dd117@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
Bioscience Hypotheses(2008)1,127-137

Cranio-dental evidence of a hominin-likehyper-masticatory apparatus in
Oreopithecusbambolii. Was the swamp ape a human ancestor?

Marcel Francis Williams

Abstract

The phylogeny of Oreopithecus bambolii has been controversial since
Johannes Hurzeler first argued that the Late Miocene (Tortonian)
primate was a fossil hominin. While most paleontologist currently
exclude Oreopithecus from human ancestry, recent postcranial evidence
of hominin-like bipedalism and power precision grips in Oreopithecus
has rekindled interest in the fossil Italian hominoid.

In this study, a comparative review of hominoid cranio-dental
morphology indicates that Oreopithecus possessed a suite of
hominin-like characteristics that were apparently functionally related
to powerful folivorous mastication. Since the oreopithecine dentition
exhibited exceptional adaptations for folivory relative to most other
extant and extinct hominoids, the accessory development of a
hominin-like hyper-masticatory cranio-mandibular apparatus to further
enhance plant comminution and digestibility is not surprising.
However, the combination of hominin-like locomotive, manual, and
masticatory functional attributes appears to substantiate Hurzeler>s
designation of O. bambolii as a Late Miocene hominin. Additionally, an
extensive compilation of hominoid cranio-dental and postcranial
characteristics strongly supports a close phylogenetic relationship
between Oreopithecus and the earliest African hominins Sahelanthropus
and Australopithecus.

The wetland paleoecology of the Tortonian island of Tuscany?"Sardinia
suggests that Oreopithecus was a specialized semiaquatic folivore who
apparently waded bipedally into freshwater swamps to feed on aquatic
plants. However, the extensive wear on the oreopithecine canines and
incisors along with their manual precision grips may indicate that
freshwater invertebrates were also included in their diets. Such
specialized aquatic feeding behavior by these ancient Italian swamp
apes seems to support Alister Hardy>s hypothesis that human bipedalism
and power precision grips were inherited from Late Miocene hominin
ancestors who originally utilized such functional attributes for
aquatic foraging in shallow water environments. Additionally, the
remarkably hominin-like cranio-dental morphology of O. bambolii
suggests that modern omnivorous humans probably inherited a
significant number of their cranio-dental characteristics from these
highly specialized aquatic plant eating hominins.

2008ElsevierLtd.All rights reserved.
doi:10.1016/j.bihy.2008.04.001

Comm · Guest

"Day Brown" <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote in message
news:48b11233$0$23218$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
[quote]wismel@yahoo.com wrote:
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=cEtl91408eM&NR=1
I don>t blame her for putting that pink hat on....she should have put a
pink bag over head instead!!!

I found a picture of her mamie, too!!!

Not an albino, note the dark eyes, but interesting lack of
pigmentation. Too bad P.T. Barnum is no longer with us.
A Russian geneticist, Belyaev, out of favor, sent to Siberia, saw how the
black fox, which was raised to make the Russian black fur hats, was hard
to handle and their fights tore holes in the skins. Which was bad for
business. So, he chose just the most docile Black fox to breed.

And over the years, was successful. The video shows the kits as sweet and
adorable as puppies. They even bark like dogs. Only problem is, they are
not all black anymore.

Do African albinos have the same rates of criminality?
[/quote]
Good Question! You missed something crucial in the foxes. They also no
longer LOOKED like foxes - their features were completely different.

Check this out
http://www.erectuswalksamongst.us

Day Brown · Guest

Comm wrote:
[quote]"Day Brown" <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote in message
news:48b11233$0$23218$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
wismel@yahoo.com wrote:
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=cEtl91408eM&NR=1
I don>t blame her for putting that pink hat on....she should have put a
pink bag over head instead!!!

I found a picture of her mamie, too!!!
Not an albino, note the dark eyes, but interesting lack of
pigmentation. Too bad P.T. Barnum is no longer with us.
A Russian geneticist, Belyaev, out of favor, sent to Siberia, saw how the
black fox, which was raised to make the Russian black fur hats, was hard
to handle and their fights tore holes in the skins. Which was bad for
business. So, he chose just the most docile Black fox to breed.

And over the years, was successful. The video shows the kits as sweet and
adorable as puppies. They even bark like dogs. Only problem is, they are
not all black anymore.

Do African albinos have the same rates of criminality?

Good Question! You missed something crucial in the foxes. They also no
longer LOOKED like foxes - their features were completely different.

Check this out
http://www.erectuswalksamongst.us
The first image looks like racist bullschitt. Europeans are part[/quote]
Neanderthal, and H. Erectus markers have been found in China. Does that
make them primitive savages?

High melanin gene pools do have more men that are more violent. But note
Belyeev started out with the less violent, and every gene pool, of
whatever color, has men that are more self controlled. Only a racist
fool would not be able to pick them out to profit by doing business with
them. Granted that such men are less common in African gene pools, but
that does not mean that plenty cannot be found.

The point is not the individual>s image in the above photo, but crafting
appropriate policy for communities depending on their genetics without
impinging on the rights of individuals who have enuf self control to do
that for themselves.

Guest

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:07:44 -0700 (PDT), Peace Power
<anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]
No one is more surprised than Shlomo Sand that his latest academic
work has spent 19 weeks on Israel>s bestseller list – and that success
has come to the history professor despite his book challenging
Israel>s biggest taboo.

Dr. Sand argues that the idea of a Jewish nation – whose need for a
safe haven was originally used to justify the founding of the state of
Israel – is a myth invented little more than a century ago.

An expert on European history at Tel Aviv University, Dr. Sand drew on
extensive historical and archaeological research to support not only
this claim but several more – all equally controversial.

In addition, he argues that the Jews were never exiled from the Holy
Land, that most of today>s Jews have no historical connection to the
land called Israel and that the only political solution to the
country>s conflict with the Palestinians is to abolish the Jewish
state.

The success of When and How Was the Jewish People Invented? looks
likely to be repeated around the world. A French edition, launched
last month, is selling so fast that it has already had three print
runs.

Translations are under way into a dozen languages, including Arabic
and English. But he predicted a rough ride from the pro-Israel lobby
when the book is launched by his English publisher, Verso, in the
United States next year.

In contrast, he said Israelis had been, if not exactly supportive, at
least curious about his argument. Tom Segev, one of the country>s
leading journalists, has called the book "fascinating and
challenging."

Surprisingly, Dr. Sand said, most of his academic colleagues in Israel
have shied away from tackling his arguments. One exception is Israel
Bartal, a professor of Jewish history at Hebrew University in
Jerusalem. Writing in Haaretz, the Israeli daily newspaper, Dr. Bartal
made little effort to rebut Dr. Sand>s claims. He dedicated much of
his article instead to defending his profession, suggesting that
Israeli historians were not as ignorant about the invented nature of
Jewish history as Dr. Sand contends.

The idea for the book came to him many years ago, Dr. Sand said, but
he waited until recently to start working on it. "I cannot claim to be
particularly courageous in publishing the book now," he said. "I
waited until I was a full professor. There is a price to be paid in
Israeli academia for expressing views of this sort."

Dr. Sand>s main argument is that until little more than a century ago,
Jews thought of themselves as Jews only because they shared a common
religion. At the turn of the 20th century, he said, Zionist Jews
challenged this idea and started creating a national history by
inventing the idea that Jews existed as a people separate from their
religion.

Equally, the modern Zionist idea of Jews being obligated to return
from exile to the Promised Land was entirely alien to Judaism, he
added.

"Zionism changed the idea of Jerusalem. Before, the holy places were
seen as places to long for, not to be lived in. For 2,000 years Jews
stayed away from Jerusalem not because they could not return but
because their religion forbade them from returning until the messiah
came."

The biggest surprise during his research came when he started looking
at the archaeological evidence from the biblical era.

"I was not raised as a Zionist, but like all other Israelis I took it
for granted that the Jews were a people living in Judea and that they
were exiled by the Romans in 70AD.

"But once I started looking at the evidence, I discovered that the
kingdoms of David and Solomon were legends.

"Similarly with the exile. In fact, you can>t explain Jewishness
without exile. But when I started to look for history books describing
the events of this exile, I couldn>t find any. Not one.

"That was because the Romans did not exile people. In fact, Jews in
Palestine were overwhelming peasants and all the evidence suggests
they stayed on their lands."

Instead, he believes an alternative theory is more plausible: the
exile was a myth promoted by early Christians to recruit Jews to the
new faith. "Christians wanted later generations of Jews to believe
that their ancestors had been exiled as a punishment from God."

So if there was no exile, how is it that so many Jews ended up
scattered around the globe before the modern state of Israel began
encouraging them to "return"?

Dr. Sand said that, in the centuries immediately preceding and
following the Christian era, Judaism was a proselytizing religion,
desperate for converts. "This is mentioned in the Roman literature of
the time."

Jews traveled to other regions seeking converts, particularly in Yemen
and among the Berber tribes of North Africa. Centuries later, the
people of the Khazar kingdom in what is today south Russia, would
convert en masse to Judaism, becoming the genesis of the Ashkenazi
Jews of central and eastern Europe.

Dr. Sand pointed to the strange state of denial in which most Israelis
live, noting that papers offered extensive coverage recently to the
discovery of the capital of the Khazar kingdom next to the Caspian
Sea.

Ynet, the website of Israel>s most popular newspaper, Yedioth
Ahronoth, headlined the story: "Russian archaeologists find long-lost
Jewish capital." And yet none of the papers, he added, had considered
the significance of this find to standard accounts of Jewish history.

One further question is prompted by Dr. Sand>s account, as he himself
notes: if most Jews never left the Holy Land, what became of them?

"It is not taught in Israeli schools but most of the early Zionist
leaders, including David Ben Gurion [Israel>s first prime minister],
believed that the Palestinians were the descendants of the area>s
original Jews. They believed the Jews had later converted to Islam."

Dr. Sand attributed his colleagues' reticence to engage with him to an
implicit acknowledgement by many that the whole edifice of "Jewish
history" taught at Israeli universities is built like a house of
cards.

The problem with the teaching of history in Israel, Dr. Sand said,
dates to a decision in the 1930s to separate history into two
disciplines: general history and Jewish history. Jewish history was
assumed to need its own field of study because Jewish experience was
considered unique.

"There>s no Jewish department of politics or sociology at the
universities. Only history is taught in this way, and it has allowed
specialists in Jewish history to live in a very insular and
conservative world where they are not touched by modern developments
in historical research.

"I>ve been criticized in Israel for writing about Jewish history when
European history is my specialty. But a book like this needed a
historian who is familiar with the standard concepts of historical
inquiry used by academia in the rest of the world."

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cook.php?articleid=13569
[/quote]
Very interesting.

ted

steve · Guest

On Oct 17, 7:24 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:07:44 -0700 (PDT), Peace Power

anamin...@gmail.com> wrote:

No one is more surprised than Shlomo Sand that his latest academic
work has spent 19 weeks on Israel>s bestseller list – and that success
has come to the history professor despite his book challenging
Israel>s biggest taboo.

Dr. Sand argues that the idea of a Jewish nation – whose need for a
safe haven was originally used to justify the founding of the state of
Israel – is a myth invented little more than a century ago.

An expert on European history at Tel Aviv University, Dr. Sand drew on
extensive historical and archaeological research to support not only
this claim but several more – all equally controversial.

In addition, he argues that the Jews were never exiled from the Holy
Land, that most of today>s Jews have no historical connection to the
land called Israel and that the only political solution to the
country>s conflict with the Palestinians is to abolish the Jewish
state.

The success of When and How Was the Jewish People Invented? looks
likely to be repeated around the world. A French edition, launched
last month, is selling so fast that it has already had three print
runs.

Translations are under way into a dozen languages, including Arabic
and English. But he predicted a rough ride from the pro-Israel lobby
when the book is launched by his English publisher, Verso, in the
United States next year.

In contrast, he said Israelis had been, if not exactly supportive, at
least curious about his argument. Tom Segev, one of the country>s
leading journalists, has called the book "fascinating and
challenging."

Surprisingly, Dr. Sand said, most of his academic colleagues in Israel
have shied away from tackling his arguments. One exception is Israel
Bartal, a professor of Jewish history at Hebrew University in
Jerusalem. Writing in Haaretz, the Israeli daily newspaper, Dr. Bartal
made little effort to rebut Dr. Sand>s claims. He dedicated much of
his article instead to defending his profession, suggesting that
Israeli historians were not as ignorant about the invented nature of
Jewish history as Dr. Sand contends.

The idea for the book came to him many years ago, Dr. Sand said, but
he waited until recently to start working on it. "I cannot claim to be
particularly courageous in publishing the book now," he said. "I
waited until I was a full professor. There is a price to be paid in
Israeli academia for expressing views of this sort."

Dr. Sand>s main argument is that until little more than a century ago,
Jews thought of themselves as Jews only because they shared a common
religion. At the turn of the 20th century, he said, Zionist Jews
challenged this idea and started creating a national history by
inventing the idea that Jews existed as a people separate from their
religion.

Equally, the modern Zionist idea of Jews being obligated to return
from exile to the Promised Land was entirely alien to Judaism, he
added.

"Zionism changed the idea of Jerusalem. Before, the holy places were
seen as places to long for, not to be lived in. For 2,000 years Jews
stayed away from Jerusalem not because they could not return but
because their religion forbade them from returning until the messiah
came."

The biggest surprise during his research came when he started looking
at the archaeological evidence from the biblical era.

"I was not raised as a Zionist, but like all other Israelis I took it
for granted that the Jews were a people living in Judea and that they
were exiled by the Romans in 70AD.

"But once I started looking at the evidence, I discovered that the
kingdoms of David and Solomon were legends.

"Similarly with the exile. In fact, you can>t explain Jewishness
without exile. But when I started to look for history books describing
the events of this exile, I couldn>t find any. Not one.

"That was because the Romans did not exile people. In fact, Jews in
Palestine were overwhelming peasants and all the evidence suggests
they stayed on their lands."

Instead, he believes an alternative theory is more plausible: the
exile was a myth promoted by early Christians to recruit Jews to the
new faith. "Christians wanted later generations of Jews to believe
that their ancestors had been exiled as a punishment from God."

So if there was no exile, how is it that so many Jews ended up
scattered around the globe before the modern state of Israel began
encouraging them to "return"?

Dr. Sand said that, in the centuries immediately preceding and
following the Christian era, Judaism was a proselytizing religion,
desperate for converts. "This is mentioned in the Roman literature of
the time."

Jews traveled to other regions seeking converts, particularly in Yemen
and among the Berber tribes of North Africa. Centuries later, the
people of the Khazar kingdom in what is today south Russia, would
convert en masse to Judaism, becoming the genesis of the Ashkenazi
Jews of central and eastern Europe.

Dr. Sand pointed to the strange state of denial in which most Israelis
live, noting that papers offered extensive coverage recently to the
discovery of the capital of the Khazar kingdom next to the Caspian
Sea.

Ynet, the website of Israel>s most popular newspaper, Yedioth
Ahronoth, headlined the story: "Russian archaeologists find long-lost
Jewish capital." And yet none of the papers, he added, had considered
the significance of this find to standard accounts of Jewish history.

One further question is prompted by Dr. Sand>s account, as he himself
notes: if most Jews never left the Holy Land, what became of them?

"It is not taught in Israeli schools but most of the early Zionist
leaders, including David Ben Gurion [Israel>s first prime minister],
believed that the Palestinians were the descendants of the area>s
original Jews. They believed the Jews had later converted to Islam."

Dr. Sand attributed his colleagues' reticence to engage with him to an
implicit acknowledgement by many that the whole edifice of "Jewish
history" taught at Israeli universities is built like a house of
cards.

The problem with the teaching of history in Israel, Dr. Sand said,
dates to a decision in the 1930s to separate history into two
disciplines: general history and Jewish history. Jewish history was
assumed to need its own field of study because Jewish experience was
considered unique.

"There>s no Jewish department of politics or sociology at the
universities. Only history is taught in this way, and it has allowed
specialists in Jewish history to live in a very insular and
conservative world where they are not touched by modern developments
in historical research.

"I>ve been criticized in Israel for writing about Jewish history when
European history is my specialty. But a book like this needed a
historian who is familiar with the standard concepts of historical
inquiry used by academia in the rest of the world."

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cook.php?articleid=13569

Very interesting.

ted- Hide quoted text -

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the concept that jews who have a history of questioning power and
control dont need a place to call their own is totally surprising
right? lol everyone deserves to feel safe and secure and be with their
own except the jews . what a world

Bill M · Guest

All religions and their religious beliefs are founded on ancient myths and
fables. NON of them are based on objective verfiable evidence. NON of them
are based on any REAL God.

They are all based on peoples imaginations, hopes and deisres.

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[quote]On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:07:44 -0700 (PDT), Peace Power
anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote:

No one is more surprised than Shlomo Sand that his latest academic
work has spent 19 weeks on Israel>s bestseller list - and that success
has come to the history professor despite his book challenging
Israel>s biggest taboo.

Dr. Sand argues that the idea of a Jewish nation - whose need for a
safe haven was originally used to justify the founding of the state of
Israel - is a myth invented little more than a century ago.

An expert on European history at Tel Aviv University, Dr. Sand drew on
extensive historical and archaeological research to support not only
this claim but several more - all equally controversial.

In addition, he argues that the Jews were never exiled from the Holy
Land, that most of today>s Jews have no historical connection to the
land called Israel and that the only political solution to the
country>s conflict with the Palestinians is to abolish the Jewish
state.

The success of When and How Was the Jewish People Invented? looks
likely to be repeated around the world. A French edition, launched
last month, is selling so fast that it has already had three print
runs.

Translations are under way into a dozen languages, including Arabic
and English. But he predicted a rough ride from the pro-Israel lobby
when the book is launched by his English publisher, Verso, in the
United States next year.

In contrast, he said Israelis had been, if not exactly supportive, at
least curious about his argument. Tom Segev, one of the country>s
leading journalists, has called the book "fascinating and
challenging."

Surprisingly, Dr. Sand said, most of his academic colleagues in Israel
have shied away from tackling his arguments. One exception is Israel
Bartal, a professor of Jewish history at Hebrew University in
Jerusalem. Writing in Haaretz, the Israeli daily newspaper, Dr. Bartal
made little effort to rebut Dr. Sand>s claims. He dedicated much of
his article instead to defending his profession, suggesting that
Israeli historians were not as ignorant about the invented nature of
Jewish history as Dr. Sand contends.

The idea for the book came to him many years ago, Dr. Sand said, but
he waited until recently to start working on it. "I cannot claim to be
particularly courageous in publishing the book now," he said. "I
waited until I was a full professor. There is a price to be paid in
Israeli academia for expressing views of this sort."

Dr. Sand>s main argument is that until little more than a century ago,
Jews thought of themselves as Jews only because they shared a common
religion. At the turn of the 20th century, he said, Zionist Jews
challenged this idea and started creating a national history by
inventing the idea that Jews existed as a people separate from their
religion.

Equally, the modern Zionist idea of Jews being obligated to return
from exile to the Promised Land was entirely alien to Judaism, he
added.

"Zionism changed the idea of Jerusalem. Before, the holy places were
seen as places to long for, not to be lived in. For 2,000 years Jews
stayed away from Jerusalem not because they could not return but
because their religion forbade them from returning until the messiah
came."

The biggest surprise during his research came when he started looking
at the archaeological evidence from the biblical era.

"I was not raised as a Zionist, but like all other Israelis I took it
for granted that the Jews were a people living in Judea and that they
were exiled by the Romans in 70AD.

"But once I started looking at the evidence, I discovered that the
kingdoms of David and Solomon were legends.

"Similarly with the exile. In fact, you can>t explain Jewishness
without exile. But when I started to look for history books describing
the events of this exile, I couldn>t find any. Not one.

"That was because the Romans did not exile people. In fact, Jews in
Palestine were overwhelming peasants and all the evidence suggests
they stayed on their lands."

Instead, he believes an alternative theory is more plausible: the
exile was a myth promoted by early Christians to recruit Jews to the
new faith. "Christians wanted later generations of Jews to believe
that their ancestors had been exiled as a punishment from God."

So if there was no exile, how is it that so many Jews ended up
scattered around the globe before the modern state of Israel began
encouraging them to "return"?

Dr. Sand said that, in the centuries immediately preceding and
following the Christian era, Judaism was a proselytizing religion,
desperate for converts. "This is mentioned in the Roman literature of
the time."

Jews traveled to other regions seeking converts, particularly in Yemen
and among the Berber tribes of North Africa. Centuries later, the
people of the Khazar kingdom in what is today south Russia, would
convert en masse to Judaism, becoming the genesis of the Ashkenazi
Jews of central and eastern Europe.

Dr. Sand pointed to the strange state of denial in which most Israelis
live, noting that papers offered extensive coverage recently to the
discovery of the capital of the Khazar kingdom next to the Caspian
Sea.

Ynet, the website of Israel>s most popular newspaper, Yedioth
Ahronoth, headlined the story: "Russian archaeologists find long-lost
Jewish capital." And yet none of the papers, he added, had considered
the significance of this find to standard accounts of Jewish history.

One further question is prompted by Dr. Sand>s account, as he himself
notes: if most Jews never left the Holy Land, what became of them?

"It is not taught in Israeli schools but most of the early Zionist
leaders, including David Ben Gurion [Israel>s first prime minister],
believed that the Palestinians were the descendants of the area>s
original Jews. They believed the Jews had later converted to Islam."

Dr. Sand attributed his colleagues' reticence to engage with him to an
implicit acknowledgement by many that the whole edifice of "Jewish
history" taught at Israeli universities is built like a house of
cards.

The problem with the teaching of history in Israel, Dr. Sand said,
dates to a decision in the 1930s to separate history into two
disciplines: general history and Jewish history. Jewish history was
assumed to need its own field of study because Jewish experience was
considered unique.

"There>s no Jewish department of politics or sociology at the
universities. Only history is taught in this way, and it has allowed
specialists in Jewish history to live in a very insular and
conservative world where they are not touched by modern developments
in historical research.

"I>ve been criticized in Israel for writing about Jewish history when
European history is my specialty. But a book like this needed a
historian who is familiar with the standard concepts of historical
inquiry used by academia in the rest of the world."

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cook.php?articleid=13569

Very interesting.

ted[/quote]

Guest

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:55:13 -0700 (PDT), tg
<D2Zabcdef@googlemail.com> wrote:

[quote]The Utter Normality Of Ethnonationalism—Except For Whites
By Kevin MacDonald

http://www.vdare.com/macdonald/080327_muller.htm

Jerry Z. Muller’s Foreign Affairs article, Us and Them: The Enduring
Power of Ethnic Nationalism (March/April, 2008), is a grim and timely
reminder of the power of ethnicity in human affairs. It has explosive
implications for the future of the United States and the West.

Muller demonstrates that, over the last 150 years or so, the general
trend in Europe and elsewhere has been toward the creation of
ethnically-based states—“ethnostates”. This trend did not end with the
close of World War II. In Europe, the war was followed by a forced
resettlement of peoples—mainly Germans—to create ethnically
homogeneous states. Indeed, the high point of ethnic homogenization in
Europe was in the two generations in the immediate aftermath of World
War II.

Muller writes:

“As a result of this massive process of ethnic unmixing, the
ethnonationalist ideal was largely realized: for the most part, each
nation in Europe had its own state, and each state was made up almost
exclusively of a single ethnic nationality. During the Cold War, the
few exceptions to this rule included Czechoslovakia, the Soviet Union,
and Yugoslavia. But these countries' subsequent fate only demonstrated
the ongoing vitality of ethnonationalism.”

This point is crucial. While the recent spreading of the European
Union imperium has given rise to a great deal of “post-nation”
rhetoric, it has in fact been accompanied by an astonishing
multiplication of ethnostates, split out of Yugoslavia and the former
USSR — not to mention, of course, the Czech/Slovak division

Ethnic conflict is apparent as well throughout the developing world,
and will likely lead to more partitioning and nation-creation. As
Muller notes: “In areas where that separation has not yet occurred,
politics is apt to remain ugly”.

But a huge anomaly has arisen. Recently, Western societies have
embarked on a public policy project in which the ethno nationalism of
white people is officially proscribed as an unadulterated evil.
Multiculturalism only is encouraged and viewed as morally superior. As
Muller notes: “Americans … find ethnonationalism discomfiting both
intellectually and morally”.

As a social scientist who takes the biological component of ethnicity
seriously (although I readily agree that there is a cultural component
as well), I can speak from personal experience about the hostility and
moral disdain one faces from other academic social scientists when one
points to these unfashionable facts.

Although World War II marked the defeat of the ethnonationalist
National Socialist movement, Muller is clearly correct that it
resulted in a Europe that was more accurately divided into ethnostates
than ever. But World War II also saw the triumph of the political and
cultural Left. These two cultural facts have been at odds ever since.

German National Socialists remain the bogeyman of the political and
cultural Left to this day. The Left is utterly dedicated to
eradicating any vestiges of European ethnonationalism. Opponents of
immigration are routinely labeled “racists” or “Nazis” for advocating
policies that are, in fact, the norm in the rest of the world. Thus
Israel favors Jewish immigrants, Spain favors people from its former
Latin American Empire, India its “Non-Resident Indians” (NRIs), China
favors the Overseas Chinese.

As Muller notes: “In a global context, it is the [Western] insistence
on universalist criteria [for immigration] that seems provincial.”

And, Muller points out, the anomaly whereby Western nations have
sought to turn their backs on ethnic homogeneity is quite modern:

“The ethnonationalist view has traditionally dominated through much of
Europe and has held its own even in the United States until recently.
For substantial stretches of U.S. history, it was believed that only
the people of English origin, or those who were Protestant, or white,
or hailed from northern Europe were real Americans. It was only in
1965 that the reform of U.S. immigration law abolished the system of
national-origin quotas that had been in place for several decades.
This system had excluded Asians entirely and radically restricted
immigration from southern and eastern Europe.”

In attempting to account for this trend in opposition to
ethnonationalism in Western societies, my own writing has emphasized
the triumph of the Left and particularly the role of some Jewish
intellectual and political movements and certain elements of the
organized Jewish community as the vanguard of the left and the most
important force in passage of the 1965 immigration law (PDF). As
Muller’s essay observes, Jews were major victims of the
ethnonationalism of others. Anti-Semitism was a general force
throughout Eastern and Central Europe, culminating in the slaughters
of World War II. And Muller notes that a prime motivation was that
Jews dominated areas of the economy and segments of the social class
structure to which others aspired—a principal theme of my book
Separation and Its Discontents.

This history of loss as a result of others’ ethnonationalism doubtless
goes a long way toward explaining the main thrust of Jewish
intellectual and political movements in the 20th Century—a principal
theme of my book The Culture of Critique.

For example, the Jewish opposition to immigration policies favoring
the European majority of the US dates back to before the immigration
cut-off of the 1920s and spans the entire mainstream Jewish political
spectrum, from the far left to the neoconservative right, to this
day.

However, Jewish opposition to the ethnonationalism of Europeans and
European-derived peoples is in remarkable contrast to their unswerving
support for the Jewish ethnonationalist state of Israel — a rather
glaring double standard, to say the least. There is a rather
straightforward analogy of Jews as victims of nascent ethnonationalism
in Europe and Palestinians as victims of nascent Jewish ethno
nationalism in Israel. (And ex-President Carter, in his recent Peace
Not Apartheid, triggered much hysteria by noting the similarities
between the policing techniques of Israel and the Afrikaner
ethnonationalist state of pre-1990 South Africa.)

As Muller notes: “Social scientists go to great lengths to demonstrate
that [ethnonationalism] is a product not of nature but of culture,
often deliberately constructed. And ethicists scorn value systems
based on narrow group identities rather than cosmopolitanism. But none
of this will make ethnonationalism go away.” (My emphasis –KM)

Indeed, a mainstay of the intellectual left since Franz Boas and his
disciples came to dominate academic anthropology beginning in the
1920s has been a rejection of any theories that allow for biological
influences on culture. A corollary is that different peoples and
different cultures do not, therefore, have legitimate, biologically-
based conflicts of interest.

But the data are quite clear: There are genetic distances between
different peoples and different peoples therefore have legitimate
conflicts of interest. And: there are deep psychological roots to
ethnocentrism that make us attracted to and more trusting of
genetically similar others. (PDF)

These biological realities will not simply disappear, no matter how
fervently social scientists and other political and cultural elites
wish they would.

But that does not mean that these realities cannot be repressed—at
least temporarily. The response of the Left has been to entrench a
culture of “political correctness” in which expressions of
ethnocentrism by Europeans are proscribed. Organizations such as the
Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League seek
draconian penalties against such expressions by Europeans—and only
Europeans. Many European countries and Canada have savage legal
penalties that enforce intellectual conformity on these issues. In
America the sanctions are more informal—but nevertheless similarly
effective.

Whatever the drawbacks to ethnic nationalism (and the most obvious is
the bloodshed that sometimes accompanies the creation of ethnostates),
it has at least three overriding advantages expressed or implied by
Muller:

* As also noted by Frank Salter, because of closer ties of kinship
and culture, ethnically homogeneous societies are more likely to be
open to redistributive policies such as social welfare.

* Sociologists such as Robert Putnam have also shown that ethnic
homogeneity is associated with greater trust of others and greater
political participation.

* And finally, as noted also by historians of European
modernization, ethnic homogeneity may well be a precondition of
political systems characterized by democracy and rule of law.

Political correctness in the West cannot be maintained without
constantly ratcheting up the social controls on individual thought and
behavior. Western societies will experience increased ethnic conflict.
Their governments will increasingly be obliged to enact draconian
penalties for deviations from political correctness. And probably also
to “correct” ethnic imbalances in social status and political power—
much as the Hapsburg and Ottoman empires of old were forced in their
declining years to constantly bargain with rising ethnic pressure
groups. Democracy, representative government, and freedom will be
likely casualties.

Finally, Muller’s essay is interesting in that it highlights how
normal ethno national strivings are, even among Europeans.

In a very short period, Europe and European-derived societies, which
had achieved an unprecedented level of ethnic homogeneity following
World War II, have developed a stifling political correctness, in
which any tiny vestige of ethnocentrism on the part of Europeans is
crushed with all the power the ruling elites can muster. This is
taking place while the rest of the world continues to undergo
modernization via the creation of ethno states. Muller’s essay makes
one realize that this multicultural fad really may be just a phase—and
a backwardly echoing phase at that, recalling the failed multicultural
empires of the pre-modern era.

The climate of anti-ethnocentrism in the West is utterly anomalous,
and set against the rest of the world. In my own writing, I have
emphasized biologically-based European tendencies toward individualism
and relative lack of ethnocentrism as flaws that have predisposed
European whites to these tactical blunders. And I have emphasized how
political correctness works at the psychological level (PDF) to
suppress the legitimate ethnic aspirations of Europeans.

However, Muller’s essay reminds us that Europeans have a long history
of ethnic conflict. Ethnic nationalism was a precondition of European
modernization. It also reminds us that, whatever their tendencies
toward individualism, Europeans certainly also have sufficient levels
of ethnocentrism to assert their interests and to establish ethnically
homogeneous states of their own.

As Muller points out, though, the process is can be ugly. Just ask the
Israelis—and the Palestinians.

Finally, as Muller notes, ethnic homogeneity is compatible with—
perhaps conducive to—liberal democracy. At a theoretical level, this
is because ethnic conflict produces deep, frequently irreconcilable
divisions within a society and ultimately, causes group-based
competition for resources and political power. These can be very hard
to mediate.

The difficulty of establishing democracy and the rule of law in
societies divided by ethnic conflict is a major theme of the
contemporary world.

So is the campaign to bully European-stock whites, alone of all the
world’s groups, to forswear ethnocentric politics and consequently to
fatally disable themselves in an unchangingly ethnocentric world.

Kevin MacDonald is Professor of Psychology at California State
University-Long Beach.

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Blog.htm
[/quote]
Fine article.

ted


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