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Eustace Bagg · Guest

The chickens come home to roost! The facts are undeniable.
Whether it>s cultural or genetic, the fact remains, negroes
are inferior.

E.B.

PAINFUL TRUTHS
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/7937.htm
It is particularly hard if it is true - as I believe - that
the gap has less and less to do with racism and more and
more to do with the habits and attitudes we inculcate among
our children.

I can almost feel the resistance from black Americans to the
notion that there is something cultural about the
underachievement of black students. Almost as palpable is
the easy conclusion on the part of many whites (and I>m not
talking about racists) that if black people would just
buckle down like other disadvantaged groups have done, many
of their problems would evaporate.

And yet - how hard this is! - the buckle-down crowd may be
closer to the mark.

That is not to say that the academic gap (as much as four
years by the time of high school graduation) is merely the
aggregate result of individual black laziness. It isn>t.

But as Abigail and Stephan Thernstrom make clear in their
new book, "No Excuses: Closing the Racial Gap in Learning,"
a significant source of the gap is in the attitudes toward
academic achievement that are prevalent in black America,
even among the economically successful, college-trained
middle class.

For instance, there is the notion that academic success is
something almost unnatural - or at least not a particularly
high priority-for black people. Black students and their
parents understand the importance of an academic credential,
but often primarily as a ticket to college and good careers.
But if that>s what it is, then one might as well purchase
the ticket at the lowest possible cost: avoidance of
challenging courses and performance that is "good enough"
rather than the commitment to excellence that eats into
social time.

And the differences begin early. One study found that the
home of the average white kindergartner had 93 books, the
average black less than half as many.

The point isn>t that the white children score higher because
they read all those books, but that the differential
presence of books reflects a differential interest and
investment in learning. (Asian-American parents, for
instance, may have fewer books but a stronger commitment to
learning.)

The Thernstroms' examination of the reasons for the gap both
in effort and achievement - including disproportionate
TV-watching, uneven public expenditures, disparate teacher
quality and an interesting look at the differences between
voluntary and involuntary (slave-descendant) immigrants -
occupies the bulk of their book.

But in some ways, their most important message is in the
introduction. Economic success - even a decent job - will
depend increasingly on solid academic skills. But "too few
black and Hispanic youngsters - particularly those in urban
public schools - have acquired the skills to choose their
own path."

Does giving voice to this message amount to "giving racists
a stick to beat us with"? It>s an interesting question.
Here>s a better one: How do we best use our intellectual,
political and moral capital - priming our children for
success, or merely supplying them with excuses for failure?

Byron Canfield · Guest

"Eustace Bagg" <Bagg@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:3f8ab0cb_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
[quote]The chickens come home to roost! The facts are undeniable.
Whether it>s cultural or genetic, the fact remains, negroes
are inferior.

E.B.

PAINFUL TRUTHS
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/7937.htm
It is particularly hard if it is true - as I believe - that
the gap has less and less to do with racism and more and
more to do with the habits and attitudes we inculcate among
our children.

I can almost feel the resistance from black Americans to the
notion that there is something cultural about the
underachievement of black students. Almost as palpable is
the easy conclusion on the part of many whites (and I>m not
talking about racists) that if black people would just
buckle down like other disadvantaged groups have done, many
of their problems would evaporate.

And yet - how hard this is! - the buckle-down crowd may be
closer to the mark.

That is not to say that the academic gap (as much as four
years by the time of high school graduation) is merely the
aggregate result of individual black laziness. It isn>t.

But as Abigail and Stephan Thernstrom make clear in their
new book, "No Excuses: Closing the Racial Gap in Learning,"
a significant source of the gap is in the attitudes toward
academic achievement that are prevalent in black America,
even among the economically successful, college-trained
middle class.

For instance, there is the notion that academic success is
something almost unnatural - or at least not a particularly
high priority-for black people. Black students and their
parents understand the importance of an academic credential,
but often primarily as a ticket to college and good careers.
But if that>s what it is, then one might as well purchase
the ticket at the lowest possible cost: avoidance of
challenging courses and performance that is "good enough"
rather than the commitment to excellence that eats into
social time.

And the differences begin early. One study found that the
home of the average white kindergartner had 93 books, the
average black less than half as many.

The point isn>t that the white children score higher because
they read all those books, but that the differential
presence of books reflects a differential interest and
investment in learning. (Asian-American parents, for
instance, may have fewer books but a stronger commitment to
learning.)

The Thernstroms' examination of the reasons for the gap both
in effort and achievement - including disproportionate
TV-watching, uneven public expenditures, disparate teacher
quality and an interesting look at the differences between
voluntary and involuntary (slave-descendant) immigrants -
occupies the bulk of their book.

But in some ways, their most important message is in the
introduction. Economic success - even a decent job - will
depend increasingly on solid academic skills. But "too few
black and Hispanic youngsters - particularly those in urban
public schools - have acquired the skills to choose their
own path."

Does giving voice to this message amount to "giving racists
a stick to beat us with"? It>s an interesting question.
Here>s a better one: How do we best use our intellectual,
political and moral capital - priming our children for
success, or merely supplying them with excuses for failure?

Again, you demonstrate your ignorance and inability to comprehend the[/quote]
English language. The article makes no claim to issues of superiority or
inferiority -- it only speaks only regarding black Americans, not blacks in
general, and to a cultural (not genetic) bias toward academic achievement; a
cultural aspect that, not coincidentally, that directly corresponds to
oppression by white supremecists like you.

You have only declared your OWN inferiority by such a stupid statement.

--
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world:
those who understand binary numbers and those who don>t."
-----------------------------
Byron "Barn" Canfield

Eustace Bagg · Guest

"Byron Canfield" <barnNOSPAM@NOSPAMbyronc.com> wrote in
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[quote]"Eustace Bagg" <Bagg@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:3f8ab0cb_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
The chickens come home to roost! The facts are
undeniable.
Whether it>s cultural or genetic, the fact remains,
negroes
are inferior.

E.B.

PAINFUL TRUTHS

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/7937.htm
It is particularly hard if it is true - as I believe -
that
the gap has less and less to do with racism and more and
more to do with the habits and attitudes we inculcate
among
our children.

I can almost feel the resistance from black Americans to
the
notion that there is something cultural about the
underachievement of black students. Almost as palpable
is
the easy conclusion on the part of many whites (and I>m
not
talking about racists) that if black people would just
buckle down like other disadvantaged groups have done,
many
of their problems would evaporate.

And yet - how hard this is! - the buckle-down crowd may
be
closer to the mark.

That is not to say that the academic gap (as much as
four
years by the time of high school graduation) is merely
the
aggregate result of individual black laziness. It isn>t.

But as Abigail and Stephan Thernstrom make clear in
their
new book, "No Excuses: Closing the Racial Gap in
Learning,"
a significant source of the gap is in the attitudes
toward
academic achievement that are prevalent in black
America,
even among the economically successful, college-trained
middle class.

For instance, there is the notion that academic success
is
something almost unnatural - or at least not a
particularly
high priority-for black people. Black students and their
parents understand the importance of an academic
credential,
but often primarily as a ticket to college and good
careers.
But if that>s what it is, then one might as well
purchase
the ticket at the lowest possible cost: avoidance of
challenging courses and performance that is "good
enough"
rather than the commitment to excellence that eats into
social time.

And the differences begin early. One study found that
the
home of the average white kindergartner had 93 books,
the
average black less than half as many.

The point isn>t that the white children score higher
because
they read all those books, but that the differential
presence of books reflects a differential interest and
investment in learning. (Asian-American parents, for
instance, may have fewer books but a stronger commitment
to
learning.)

The Thernstroms' examination of the reasons for the gap
both
in effort and achievement - including disproportionate
TV-watching, uneven public expenditures, disparate
teacher
quality and an interesting look at the differences
between
voluntary and involuntary (slave-descendant)
immigrants -
occupies the bulk of their book.

But in some ways, their most important message is in the
introduction. Economic success - even a decent job -
will
depend increasingly on solid academic skills. But "too
few
black and Hispanic youngsters - particularly those in
urban
public schools - have acquired the skills to choose
their
own path."

Does giving voice to this message amount to "giving
racists
a stick to beat us with"? It>s an interesting question.
Here>s a better one: How do we best use our
intellectual,
political and moral capital - priming our children for
success, or merely supplying them with excuses for
failure?

Again, you demonstrate your ignorance and inability to
comprehend the
English language. The article makes no claim to issues of
superiority or
inferiority -- it only speaks only regarding black
Americans, not blacks in
general, and to a cultural (not genetic) bias toward
academic achievement; a
cultural aspect that, not coincidentally, that directly
corresponds to
oppression by white supremecists like you.

You have only declared your OWN inferiority by such a
stupid statement.[/quote]

First of all, I am not a white supremacist. I made the claim
that negroes are inferior, not the article, dumbass. Did
you notice that I put my initials under it? I>ve got other
evidence, but you don>t want to discuss evidence, only
malign me. It makes no difference whether the negroes in
question are from America or elsewhere. All negro
bloodlines can be traced to Africa. As I stated, "Whether
it>s cultural or genetic, the fact remains, negroes are
inferior." I never claimed the article mentioned genetics
but that topic is always open for discussion.

I find it odd that DAFNz would prefer to be thought of as
culturally inept, but intellectually equal to whites. If
DAFNz are so damn smart why don>t they have paradise in
Africa or other places infested with DAFNz that are run by
DAFNz for the benefit of DAFNz? On the other hand, DAFNz
could take the genetic defect route and get accommodations
due to genetic intellectual inferiority and all the benefits
that flow thereof, yet DAFNz would rather have us believe
that they are intellectually equal, but somehow unable to
run their own affairs or succeed at anything without a
handout from whitey.

If racists, as you suggest, are holding DAFNz down by their
poor opinion of them, a direct correlation, you claim
(without citation, mind you), then that would make us
racists a very powerful group of people, would it not? Be
afraid, little boy, be very afraid. The big bad racist
boogy man is comming to get you. OOOgaa Boogaaa BOO! I>m
gonna make you fail social studies. BOO! Geometry too!

E.B.

[quote]--
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world:
those who understand binary numbers and those who don>t."
-----------------------------
Byron "Barn" Canfield

[/quote]

God Almighty · Guest

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:54:11 GMT, "Byron Canfield"
<barnNOSPAM@NOSPAMbyronc.com> wrote:

[quote]"Eustace Bagg" <Bagg@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:3f8ab0cb_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
The chickens come home to roost! The facts are undeniable.
Whether it>s cultural or genetic, the fact remains, negroes
are inferior.

E.B.

PAINFUL TRUTHS
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/7937.htm
It is particularly hard if it is true - as I believe - that
the gap has less and less to do with racism and more and
more to do with the habits and attitudes we inculcate among
our children.

I can almost feel the resistance from black Americans to the
notion that there is something cultural about the
underachievement of black students. Almost as palpable is
the easy conclusion on the part of many whites (and I>m not
talking about racists) that if black people would just
buckle down like other disadvantaged groups have done, many
of their problems would evaporate.

And yet - how hard this is! - the buckle-down crowd may be
closer to the mark.

That is not to say that the academic gap (as much as four
years by the time of high school graduation) is merely the
aggregate result of individual black laziness. It isn>t.

But as Abigail and Stephan Thernstrom make clear in their
new book, "No Excuses: Closing the Racial Gap in Learning,"
a significant source of the gap is in the attitudes toward
academic achievement that are prevalent in black America,
even among the economically successful, college-trained
middle class.

For instance, there is the notion that academic success is
something almost unnatural - or at least not a particularly
high priority-for black people. Black students and their
parents understand the importance of an academic credential,
but often primarily as a ticket to college and good careers.
But if that>s what it is, then one might as well purchase
the ticket at the lowest possible cost: avoidance of
challenging courses and performance that is "good enough"
rather than the commitment to excellence that eats into
social time.

And the differences begin early. One study found that the
home of the average white kindergartner had 93 books, the
average black less than half as many.

The point isn>t that the white children score higher because
they read all those books, but that the differential
presence of books reflects a differential interest and
investment in learning. (Asian-American parents, for
instance, may have fewer books but a stronger commitment to
learning.)

The Thernstroms' examination of the reasons for the gap both
in effort and achievement - including disproportionate
TV-watching, uneven public expenditures, disparate teacher
quality and an interesting look at the differences between
voluntary and involuntary (slave-descendant) immigrants -
occupies the bulk of their book.

But in some ways, their most important message is in the
introduction. Economic success - even a decent job - will
depend increasingly on solid academic skills. But "too few
black and Hispanic youngsters - particularly those in urban
public schools - have acquired the skills to choose their
own path."

Does giving voice to this message amount to "giving racists
a stick to beat us with"? It>s an interesting question.
Here>s a better one: How do we best use our intellectual,
political and moral capital - priming our children for
success, or merely supplying them with excuses for failure?

Again, you demonstrate your ignorance and inability to comprehend the
English language. The article makes no claim to issues of superiority or
inferiority -- it only speaks only regarding black Americans, not blacks in
general, and to a cultural (not genetic) bias toward academic achievement; a
cultural aspect that, not coincidentally, that directly corresponds to
oppression by white supremecists like you.

You have only declared your OWN inferiority by such a stupid statement.
[/quote]

Sorry chimp, it isn>t oppression that keeps you groids on the bottom,
it>s your inferiority.

Sorry if this hurts your chimpish feelings but you must face the
truth.

Byron Canfield · Guest

"God Almighty" <SupremeBeing@phreaker.net> wrote in message
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[quote]On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:54:11 GMT, "Byron Canfield"
barnNOSPAM@NOSPAMbyronc.com> wrote:

"Eustace Bagg" <Bagg@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:3f8ab0cb_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
The chickens come home to roost! The facts are undeniable.
Whether it>s cultural or genetic, the fact remains, negroes
are inferior.

E.B.

PAINFUL TRUTHS
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/7937.htm
It is particularly hard if it is true - as I believe - that
the gap has less and less to do with racism and more and
more to do with the habits and attitudes we inculcate among
our children.

I can almost feel the resistance from black Americans to the
notion that there is something cultural about the
underachievement of black students. Almost as palpable is
the easy conclusion on the part of many whites (and I>m not
talking about racists) that if black people would just
buckle down like other disadvantaged groups have done, many
of their problems would evaporate.

And yet - how hard this is! - the buckle-down crowd may be
closer to the mark.

That is not to say that the academic gap (as much as four
years by the time of high school graduation) is merely the
aggregate result of individual black laziness. It isn>t.

But as Abigail and Stephan Thernstrom make clear in their
new book, "No Excuses: Closing the Racial Gap in Learning,"
a significant source of the gap is in the attitudes toward
academic achievement that are prevalent in black America,
even among the economically successful, college-trained
middle class.

For instance, there is the notion that academic success is
something almost unnatural - or at least not a particularly
high priority-for black people. Black students and their
parents understand the importance of an academic credential,
but often primarily as a ticket to college and good careers.
But if that>s what it is, then one might as well purchase
the ticket at the lowest possible cost: avoidance of
challenging courses and performance that is "good enough"
rather than the commitment to excellence that eats into
social time.

And the differences begin early. One study found that the
home of the average white kindergartner had 93 books, the
average black less than half as many.

The point isn>t that the white children score higher because
they read all those books, but that the differential
presence of books reflects a differential interest and
investment in learning. (Asian-American parents, for
instance, may have fewer books but a stronger commitment to
learning.)

The Thernstroms' examination of the reasons for the gap both
in effort and achievement - including disproportionate
TV-watching, uneven public expenditures, disparate teacher
quality and an interesting look at the differences between
voluntary and involuntary (slave-descendant) immigrants -
occupies the bulk of their book.

But in some ways, their most important message is in the
introduction. Economic success - even a decent job - will
depend increasingly on solid academic skills. But "too few
black and Hispanic youngsters - particularly those in urban
public schools - have acquired the skills to choose their
own path."

Does giving voice to this message amount to "giving racists
a stick to beat us with"? It>s an interesting question.
Here>s a better one: How do we best use our intellectual,
political and moral capital - priming our children for
success, or merely supplying them with excuses for failure?

Again, you demonstrate your ignorance and inability to comprehend the
English language. The article makes no claim to issues of superiority or
inferiority -- it only speaks only regarding black Americans, not blacks
in
general, and to a cultural (not genetic) bias toward academic
achievement; a
cultural aspect that, not coincidentally, that directly corresponds to
oppression by white supremecists like you.

You have only declared your OWN inferiority by such a stupid statement.

Sorry chimp, it isn>t oppression that keeps you groids on the bottom,
it>s your inferiority.

Sorry if this hurts your chimpish feelings but you must face the
truth.

Oh boy, another sock puppet. Why do you fear using your real name? And who[/quote]
are you talking too -- I>m Scandinavian? Too bad if that blows your claim to
omniscience.

--
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world:
those who understand binary numbers and those who don>t."
-----------------------------
Byron "Barn" Canfield

Byron Canfield · Guest

"Eustace Bagg" <Bagg@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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[quote]
"Byron Canfield" <barnNOSPAM@NOSPAMbyronc.com> wrote in
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"Eustace Bagg" <Bagg@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:3f8ab0cb_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
The chickens come home to roost! The facts are
undeniable.
Whether it>s cultural or genetic, the fact remains,
negroes
are inferior.

E.B.

First of all, I am not a white supremacist. I made the claim
that negroes are inferior, not the article, dumbass. Did
you notice that I put my initials under it?
[/quote]
Making the claim that negroes are inferior pretty well puts you in the camp
of the white supremacists.

The implication was clear that you were attempting to bolster your stupid
statement using that article as evidence -- evidence that was totally
lacking in the article.

[quote]I>ve got other
evidence, but you don>t want to discuss evidence, only
malign me.
[/quote]
And that statement that you have "other" evidence is further verification
that you were attempting to use that article as evidence to support that
stupid statement. As are as wanting to only malign you -- oh boohoo --
you>re so put upon.

[quote]It makes no difference whether the negroes in
question are from America or elsewhere. All negro
bloodlines can be traced to Africa. As I stated, "Whether
it>s cultural or genetic, the fact remains, negroes are
inferior." I never claimed the article mentioned genetics
but that topic is always open for discussion.
[/quote]
You made the claim to genetics as a possible cause of inferiority in your
orginal statement, quoted at the top of this post -- you can>t deny that.
And the article makes no mention of ANYTHING but issues in America, and it
makes no claim of inferiority either. There is no support in that article
for your statement, period.
[quote]
If racists, as you suggest, are holding DAFNz down by their
poor opinion of them, a direct correlation, you claim
(without citation, mind you), then that would make us
racists a very powerful group of people, would it not? Be
afraid, little boy, be very afraid. The big bad racist
boogy man is comming to get you. OOOgaa Boogaaa BOO! I>m
gonna make you fail social studies. BOO! Geometry too!
[/quote]
You and your "little boy" crap. You make a lot of assumptions based on
nothing. Sad and silly.

--
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world:
those who understand binary numbers and those who don>t."
-----------------------------
Byron "Barn" Canfield

Bob LeChevalier · Guest

"Eustace Bagg" <Bagg@nowhere.net> wrote:
[quote]The chickens come home to roost! The facts are undeniable.
Whether it>s cultural or genetic, the fact remains, negroes
are inferior.
[/quote]
People who feel a need to complain that others are inferior almost
always have an inferiority complex of their own.

We who are truly superior look down on you.

lojbab
--
lojbab lojbab@lojban.org
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org

Eustace Bagg · Guest

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"Byron Canfield" <barnNOSPAM@NOSPAMbyronc.com> wrote in
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"Eustace Bagg" <Bagg@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:3f8ab0cb_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
The chickens come home to roost! The facts are
undeniable.
Whether it>s cultural or genetic, the fact remains,
negroes
are inferior.

E.B.

First of all, I am not a white supremacist. I made the
claim
that negroes are inferior, not the article, dumbass.
Did
you notice that I put my initials under it?

Making the claim that negroes are inferior pretty well
puts you in the camp
of the white supremacists.

The implication was clear that you were attempting to
bolster your stupid
statement using that article as evidence -- evidence that
was totally
lacking in the article.

I>ve got other
evidence, but you don>t want to discuss evidence, only
malign me.

And that statement that you have "other" evidence is
further verification
that you were attempting to use that article as evidence
to support that
stupid statement. As are as wanting to only malign you --
oh boohoo --
you>re so put upon.
[/quote]
Recent articles on Gap and classroom behavior

All urls were tested this morning and are up and running.
I count 44 recent news paper articles published within the
last year. The majority were published within the last
three months.
I challenge anyone to find one forth as many articles that
show that DAFNz are the academic equal or intellectual equal
of either whites, asians, or hispanics. I>ll accept
newspaper, magazine and professional journal articles. If
you egalitarians think it would make your task any easier,
I>ll even let you search back FIVE years.

My conclusion:
DAFN intellectual inferiority appears to be ubiquitous.

E.B.

The Expanding Racial Scoring Gap Between Black and White SAT
Test Takers
http://www.jbhe.com/latest/37_b&w_sat.html

Book explores racial gap in education
http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/articles/2003/10/12/book_explores_racial_gap_in_education/

Rhetoric aside, math does matter
http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/oct03/175561.asp

Del. schools achieve diversity -- at a price
http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2003/09/14delschoolsachie.html

Learner Outcomes
http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/2002/section2/tables/t08_1.asp

The black-white academic achievement gap
http://members.aol.com/mbsolomon/20001123blackwhite.htm

The Black-White Achievement Gap in the First College Year:
Evidence from a New Longitudinal Case Study
http://www.soc.duke.edu/~cbuch/web/spenner_buchmann_landerman.pdf

March Toward Excellence: School Success and Minority Student
Achievement in Department of Defense Schools
http://www.aypf.org/forumbriefs/2002/fb042602.htm

Panel updates public on achievement gap
http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/local/scn-sa-gap3oct01,0,4540314.story?coll=stam-news-local-headlines

Scores on FCAT show black and white gap
http://gainesvillesun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030929/LOCAL/209290342/1007

Group tackles gap in learning
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2003/09/29/loc_wwwlocky2ach.html

Achievement gaps
Report: State needs to help disabled, minority kids gain
http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2003/09/29ky/wir-front-gap0929-10683.html

Slight Improvement in Black Scores on the ACT but Persistant
and Large Racial Gap Remains:
http://www.jbhe.com/latest/090403_racial_gap_on_act.html

Group studies higher black suspension rate
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/6718369.htm

Diversity at USC faces challenge
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/6711343.htm

Summit to examine achievement gap
http://www.indystar.com/print/articles/9/075325-3399-009.html

Status of New Jerusalem Mission Academy still up in the air
http://www.thetowntalk.com/html/5216CAF7-7653-407F-BCDD-67290ACC490E.shtml

Scores show broad gains on MCAS
http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/mcas/articles/2003/09/04/scores_show_broad_gains_on_mcas/

Letter on testing gets testy response
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/0803/28letter.html;COXnetJSessionID=1LTxFNWHJINJAUZ3wVngg0kq5FlvNvqaIGyfcJtjjCdx4IMnEzNo!-1743610163?urac=n&urvf=10661283050930.6406059907251156

Average in math tops state, nation
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/education/20030827-9999_1n27sat.html

NAACP challenge attacks FCATs
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/08/29/State/NAACP_challenge_attac.shtml

New Test Scores, Old B-S.
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9577

High expectations at low-scoring Gwinnett school
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/0803/27meadowcreek.html

SC SAT scores reflect big difference along racial lines
http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1417967&nav=0RaPHfVc

MAP Scores Released, Good, Bad and Ugly Results
http://www.kmiz.com/news/headlines/435382.html

National Science Teachers Association Cites Neglect of K-12
Science Education as Cause for Low Benchmark Achievement on
ACT Science Test
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030821/dcth031_1.html

WRITE ON! OUR KIDS #1
http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/1304.htm

PAINFUL TRUTHS
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/7937.htm

Tying SAT to HOPE could spur legal fight
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/1003/06hope.html?urac=n&urvf=10661299779620.8119632385093454

Eight-student brawl stops bus on interstate
http://www.theleafchronicle.com/news/stories/20030925/localnews/325624.html

Superintendent promises action over Georgia SAT
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/0803/27satga.html

New Study Shows that Racial Bias Might Still Infect the SAT
http://www.jbhe.com/latest/082103_racial_bias_in_sat.html

Journal of an F year
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/08/24/shawphotogallery1/page7.shtml
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/08/24/shawphotogallery1/page13.shtml

College admissions exam finds students weak in math, science
http://www.tennessean.com/education/archives/03/08/37949776.shtml?Element_ID=37949776

Clayton board has failed to silence critics
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/clayton/0803/17clayton.html

Why African-American boys often fail in school
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/0803/10blackboys_1.html

Law threatens some schools
http://newsobserver.com/news/story/2733932p-2534567c.html

Closing opens racial rift
http://newsobserver.com/news/story/2727699p-2528915c.html

The Peabody Dilemma: School>s suffering programs could halt
deseg efforts
http://www.thetowntalk.com/html/5A611484-C33B-4D3E-9193-2E75391085AA.shtml

Blacks disciplined more often in Beach schools
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=56895&ran=140091

Benton Harbor>s school scores mirror disparity
http://www.detnews.com/2003/metro/0307/13/d06-215917.htm

School testing gaps narrow
http://newsobserver.com/news/story/2679787p-2484891c.html

Reading disadvantage persists, scores show
http://www.tennessean.com/education/archives/03/06/35079510.shtml?Element_ID=35079510

Here you go Bryon, take the challenge boy. For somebody as
knowledgable on DAFNz as you, you should have those 11
articles in no time flat.

Ooogaa Boogaaaa BOO!

E.B.

[quote]It makes no difference whether the negroes in
question are from America or elsewhere. All negro
bloodlines can be traced to Africa. As I stated,
"Whether
it>s cultural or genetic, the fact remains, negroes are
inferior." I never claimed the article mentioned
genetics
but that topic is always open for discussion.

You made the claim to genetics as a possible cause of
inferiority in your
orginal statement, quoted at the top of this post -- you
can>t deny that.
And the article makes no mention of ANYTHING but issues in
America, and it
makes no claim of inferiority either. There is no support
in that article
for your statement, period.

If racists, as you suggest, are holding DAFNz down by
their
poor opinion of them, a direct correlation, you claim
(without citation, mind you), then that would make us
racists a very powerful group of people, would it not?
Be
afraid, little boy, be very afraid. The big bad racist
boogy man is comming to get you. OOOgaa Boogaaa BOO!
I>m
gonna make you fail social studies. BOO! Geometry too!

You and your "little boy" crap. You make a lot of
assumptions based on
nothing. Sad and silly.

--
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world:
those who understand binary numbers and those who don>t."
-----------------------------
Byron "Barn" Canfield

[/quote]

Alton · Guest

"Eustace Bagg" <Bagg@nowhere.net> wrote in message news:<3f8ab0cb_1@newspeer2.tds.net>...

[quote]PAINFUL TRUTHS
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/7937.htm
It is particularly hard if it is true - as I believe - that
the gap has less and less to do with racism and more and
more to do with the habits and attitudes we inculcate among
our children.
[/quote]
You know, the problem with articles like this is that they>re focused
on blacks in American culture. Pressures from within black culture,
pressures from outside black culture blah, blah, blah.

What about elsewhere on the planet? Do they excel socially,
economically, technologically ANYWHERE??

No.

I>ll go under the assumption that everyone here is already familiar
with Africa to know what kind of state black populations there are in.

Anyone who works with the public or in public schools knows what the
truth is.

Naysayers of all colors can piss and moan and call for Jesse Jackson
all they want, the fact is, eons of chips have fallen.

Byron Canfield · Guest

"Eustace Bagg" <Bagg@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:3f8c185f_2@newspeer2.tds.net...
[quote]

Recent articles on Gap and classroom behavior

All urls were tested this morning and are up and running.
I count 44 recent news paper articles published within the
last year. The majority were published within the last
three months.
I challenge anyone to find one forth as many articles that
show that DAFNz are the academic equal or intellectual equal
of either whites, asians, or hispanics. I>ll accept
newspaper, magazine and professional journal articles. If
you egalitarians think it would make your task any easier,
I>ll even let you search back FIVE years.

My conclusion:
DAFN intellectual inferiority appears to be ubiquitous.

See my response to your other duplicate post, where it was evident to me,[/quote]
from the first 10 cites, that you never read them yourself, or you wouldn>t
have cited them because not only do they NOT support your silly ideas, some
of the articles actually refute them.

Still sad, silly, uncivilized -- and now illiterate.

--
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world:
those who understand binary numbers and those who don>t."
-----------------------------
Byron "Barn" Canfield

Byron Canfield · Guest

"Alton" <obbzerver@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e116921e.0310141931.68f8f56b@posting.google.com...
[quote]"Eustace Bagg" <Bagg@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:<3f8ab0cb_1@newspeer2.tds.net>...

PAINFUL TRUTHS
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/7937.htm
It is particularly hard if it is true - as I believe - that
the gap has less and less to do with racism and more and
more to do with the habits and attitudes we inculcate among
our children.

You know, the problem with articles like this is that they>re focused
on blacks in American culture. Pressures from within black culture,
pressures from outside black culture blah, blah, blah.

What about elsewhere on the planet? Do they excel socially,
economically, technologically ANYWHERE??

No.

I>ll go under the assumption that everyone here is already familiar
with Africa to know what kind of state black populations there are in.

Anyone who works with the public or in public schools knows what the
truth is.

Naysayers of all colors can piss and moan and call for Jesse Jackson
all they want, the fact is, eons of chips have fallen.
[/quote]
And none of those who have truly studied the issue claim to have all the
answers as to why, but you DO? Is this based upon some KKK handbook of
values (an oxymoron, if there ever was one)?

--
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world:
those who understand binary numbers and those who don>t."
-----------------------------
Byron "Barn" Canfield

Eustace Bagg · Guest

"Byron Canfield" <barnNOSPAM@NOSPAMbyronc.com> wrote in
message news:po4jb.133330$%h1.137412@sccrnsc02...
[quote]"Eustace Bagg" <Bagg@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:3f8c185f_2@newspeer2.tds.net...

Recent articles on Gap and classroom behavior

All urls were tested this morning and are up and
running.
I count 44 recent news paper articles published within
the
last year. The majority were published within the last
three months.
I challenge anyone to find one forth as many articles
that
show that DAFNz are the academic equal or intellectual
equal
of either whites, asians, or hispanics. I>ll accept
newspaper, magazine and professional journal articles.
If
you egalitarians think it would make your task any
easier,
I>ll even let you search back FIVE years.

My conclusion:
DAFN intellectual inferiority appears to be ubiquitous.

See my response to your other duplicate post, where it was
evident to me,
from the first 10 cites, that you never read them
yourself, or you wouldn>t
have cited them because not only do they NOT support your
silly ideas, some
of the articles actually refute them.

Still sad, silly, uncivilized -- and now illiterate.
[/quote]
Third article, ninth paragraph

"The single most important determinant of the difference in
failure rates between states is likely to be the racial
composition of their schools," the study said.

Del. schools achieve diversity -- at a price
http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2003/09/14delschoolsachie.html

It is apparent that you are the one who can>t read.

Now, find 11 articles that show DAFNz to be the academic
equal of either whites, asians or hispanics. Find ONE
article! You can>t do it. Nobody can. But you are welcome
to try. Post something beside your tired old triades that
I>m illiterate and racist. Post something that backs up
your postion that DAFNz are intellectually equal to
everybody else. Do it, little white viking boy, DO IT. The
DAFNz are counting on you to make them look good.

E.B.

Eustace Bagg · Guest

"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:jirmovcrf64ak2p785069nbd9gntu32atj@4ax.com...
[quote]"Eustace Bagg" <Bagg@nowhere.net> wrote:
The chickens come home to roost! The facts are
undeniable.
Whether it>s cultural or genetic, the fact remains,
negroes
are inferior.

People who feel a need to complain that others are
inferior almost
always have an inferiority complex of their own.
[/quote]
When the Supreme Court decided to suspend the equal
protection clause of the U.S. Constitution for 25 years to
allow inferior DAFNz preferred admission to UM Law over
better qualified others, I took it upon myself to defend
the constitution.

[quote]We who are truly superior look down on you.
[/quote]
Yeah, right. Blow it out your ass.

E.B.

[quote]lojbab
--
lojbab
lojbab@lojban.org
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the
organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban:
http://www.lojban.org[/quote]

Bob LeChevalier · Guest

"Eustace Bagg" <Bagg@nowhere.net> wrote:
[quote]"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:jirmovcrf64ak2p785069nbd9gntu32atj@4ax.com...
"Eustace Bagg" <Bagg@nowhere.net> wrote:
The chickens come home to roost! The facts are undeniable.
Whether it>s cultural or genetic, the fact remains, negroes
are inferior.

People who feel a need to complain that others are inferior almost
always have an inferiority complex of their own.

When the Supreme Court decided to suspend the equal
protection clause of the U.S. Constitution for 25 years to
allow inferior DAFNz preferred admission to UM Law over
better qualified others, I took it upon myself to defend
the constitution.
[/quote]
With you "defending", it is surely dead. You couldn>t "defend" your
nose to spite your face.

[quote]We who are truly superior look down on you.

Yeah, right. Blow it out your ass.
[/quote]
Right onto you who are lying beneath it.

lojbab
--
lojbab lojbab@lojban.org
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org

Alton · Guest

"Byron Canfield" <barnNOSPAM@NOSPAMbyronc.com> wrote in message news:<qo4jb.780715$uu5.136470@sccrnsc04>...

[quote]Naysayers of all colors can piss and moan and call for Jesse Jackson
all they want, the fact is, eons of chips have fallen.

And none of those who have truly studied the issue claim to have all the
answers as to why, but you DO?
[/quote]
None of them? Hmmm... Mighty broad statement. What you mean is that
the only response you>ll accept is that noone who has "truly studied
the issue", by whatever standard you>ve arbitrarily decided counts,
knows the answer.

[quote]Is this based upon some KKK handbook of
values (an oxymoron, if there ever was one)?
[/quote]
Klansmen certainly have values. You may not like them, they may be
distasteful to society at large, but they have them. You>re of course
once again showing your bias and unwillingness and/or inability to
think outside certain narrow parameters - i.e., anyone who feels other
than glowingly about negroids is by default an ignorant redneck. The
fact is, I don>t belong to or condone the Klan.

However, if one wants to speak in terms of sociological theory,
wherever there are problems with those of the negroid race, which is
pretty much anywhere they exist, one can>t help but notice that the
inescapable constant is of course, the presence of negroes.


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