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mack · Guest

makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote in message news:<3F8FB655.4CFE3F81@worldnet.att.net>...
[quote]It>s not abuse,
it>z not victimization,
it>z not 400 yearz of oppression,
It>z what Mother_Nature hath genetically created *Unequal*-

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?fe20031009rh.htm
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[...]
Behavior is a product of genotype and environment and is unique for
each individual," Whitfield and colleagues write. "Despite the
individuality of behavior, distinct classes of behavior [both normal
and pathological] can be recognized in humans and animals. Genes that
predict behavior in this way might provide new insights into neural
mechanisms in the brain that underlie behavioral plasticity."

As Ridley says in his latest book, "Nature via Nurture,": "Genes are
both cause and consequence of our actions.
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It>z beginning to hit the fan, stand back....
[/quote]
For those who proclaim that race does not exist, they should have
courage to proclaim that Fox Terriers and Beagles behave the same.
Serious students of anthrology should examine some of the research
done years ago on items as focused as color preferences just among the
races in europe.

Mack

*negro

rms1 · Guest

irrelevant to nyc.general, chi.general, fl.politics, and soc.veterans

Phil · Guest

On 17 Oct 2003 07:09:51 -0700, merwin19@rock.com (mack) wrote:

[quote]For those who proclaim that race does not exist, they should have
courage to proclaim that Fox Terriers and Beagles behave the same.
Serious students of anthrology should examine some of the research
done years ago on items as focused as color preferences just among the
races in europe.
[/quote]
There are about 150 breeds of dogs recognized by the American Kennel
Club, and about 500 different breeds when you include those not
recognized by the AKC. To find two breeds that behave the same means
nothing.

Phil

Guest

Phil wrote:
[quote]
On 17 Oct 2003 07:09:51 -0700, merwin19@rock.com (mack) wrote:

For those who proclaim that race does not exist, they should have
courage to proclaim that Fox Terriers and Beagles behave the same.
Serious students of anthrology should examine some of the research
done years ago on items as focused as color preferences just among the
races in europe.

There are about 150 breeds of dogs recognized by the American Kennel
Club, and about 500 different breeds when you include those not
recognized by the AKC. To find two breeds that behave the same means
nothing.
[/quote]

The point is, many of these breeds behave distinctly *different*.
e.g., some are generally docile(Cockers),
some are generally vicious (Dobermans)...

Chicago Paddling-Fishing · Guest

In chi.general makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote:
<snip>
: The point is, many of these breeds behave distinctly *different*.
: e.g., some are generally docile(Cockers),
: some are generally vicious (Dobermans)...

I disagree... we have a pitbull.. vet says so long as you don>t train it to
be nasty, it>s not and the vet is right. The dog is strong and you>ll never
be able to pry the tennis ball out of it>s mouth, but it won>t bite because
it knows it gets in trouble... luckily, the Chicago Police have only visited
once about that (and even they said it didn>t really look like a bite, but
they wanted to let us know it happened).

Anyway, what made me post is we have a friend with a Doberman, and it>s a
sissydog... If you want a dog to be mean, you have to train it to be mean.
They are not mean by birth.

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Phil · Guest

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:02:32 GMT, makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote:

[quote]The point is, many of these breeds behave distinctly *different*.
e.g., some are generally docile(Cockers),
some are generally vicious (Dobermans)...
[/quote]
Of all the dogs I>ve owned, my Doberman was the most gentle around
people. She was a therapy dog who visited the residents at a local
nursing home and had no problem with strangers petting, patting or
poking her.

From http://www.prairienet.org/cikc/dobie.html

"Basic Personality Traits: Dobermans are generally very intelligent
and can be trained easily with praise. They are usually loving with
friends and family, but require lots of regular attention and need to
learn their place in the pack or family at an early age. This breed is
not recommended as an outdoor dog."

Phil

Guest

Phil wrote:
[quote]
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:02:32 GMT, makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote:

The point is, many of these breeds behave distinctly *different*.
e.g., some are generally docile(Cockers),
some are generally vicious (Dobermans)...

Of all the dogs I>ve owned, my Doberman was the most gentle around
people. She was a therapy dog who visited the residents at a local
nursing home and had no problem with strangers petting, patting or
poking her.

From http://www.prairienet.org/cikc/dobie.html

"Basic Personality Traits: Dobermans are generally very intelligent
and can be trained easily with praise. They are usually loving with
friends and family, but require lots of regular attention and need to
learn their place in the pack or family at an early age. This breed is
not recommended as an outdoor dog."
[/quote]
The point is, which you seem to agree with, different breeds
tend to exhibit different traits. If it>s true for dogs,
why is it so hard to believe for humans? Whites tend to be smart,
blacks tend to be dumb...

What>s the problem with that?

Phil · Guest

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:46:28 GMT, makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote:

[quote]On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:02:32 GMT, makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote:

The point is, many of these breeds behave distinctly *different*.
e.g., some are generally docile(Cockers),
some are generally vicious (Dobermans)...

Of all the dogs I>ve owned, my Doberman was the most gentle around
people. She was a therapy dog who visited the residents at a local
nursing home and had no problem with strangers petting, patting or
poking her.

From http://www.prairienet.org/cikc/dobie.html

"Basic Personality Traits: Dobermans are generally very intelligent
and can be trained easily with praise. They are usually loving with
friends and family, but require lots of regular attention and need to
learn their place in the pack or family at an early age. This breed is
not recommended as an outdoor dog."

The point is, which you seem to agree with, different breeds
tend to exhibit different traits. If it>s true for dogs,
why is it so hard to believe for humans? Whites tend to be smart,
blacks tend to be dumb...

What>s the problem with that?
[/quote]
The problem, for starters, is that you believe in broad and untrue
statements. Doberman Pinschers are not vicious by nature. That>s a
myth spread by people who don>t know the breed and would rather live
with that lie rather than learn the truth.

The same applies with racial stereotypes; they>re spread by stupid
people who don>t the truth and refuse to learn the truth.

Phil

MIB529 · Guest

makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote in message news:<3F955883.B01DE264@worldnet.att.net>...
[quote]Phil wrote:

On 17 Oct 2003 07:09:51 -0700, merwin19@rock.com (mack) wrote:

For those who proclaim that race does not exist, they should have
courage to proclaim that Fox Terriers and Beagles behave the same.
Serious students of anthrology should examine some of the research
done years ago on items as focused as color preferences just among the
races in europe.

There are about 150 breeds of dogs recognized by the American Kennel
Club, and about 500 different breeds when you include those not
recognized by the AKC. To find two breeds that behave the same means
nothing.

The point is, many of these breeds behave distinctly *different*.
e.g., some are generally docile(Cockers),
some are generally vicious (Dobermans)...
[/quote]
And the best dog with kids that I ever had was half wolf.

Guest

MIB529 wrote:
[quote]
makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote in message news:<3F955883.B01DE264@worldnet.att.net>...
Phil wrote:

On 17 Oct 2003 07:09:51 -0700, merwin19@rock.com (mack) wrote:

For those who proclaim that race does not exist, they should have
courage to proclaim that Fox Terriers and Beagles behave the same.
Serious students of anthrology should examine some of the research
done years ago on items as focused as color preferences just among the
races in europe.

There are about 150 breeds of dogs recognized by the American Kennel
Club, and about 500 different breeds when you include those not
recognized by the AKC. To find two breeds that behave the same means
nothing.

The point is, many of these breeds behave distinctly *different*.
e.g., some are generally docile(Cockers),
some are generally vicious (Dobermans)...

And the best dog with kids that I ever had was half wolf.
[/quote]
One example does not support a generalization.
Would you rather turn your kids loose with a
pack of "half wolves," or a pack of cocker spaniels...??

Phil · Guest

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:01:46 GMT, makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote:

[quote]

MIB529 wrote:

makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote in message news:<3F955883.B01DE264@worldnet.att.net>...
Phil wrote:

On 17 Oct 2003 07:09:51 -0700, merwin19@rock.com (mack) wrote:

For those who proclaim that race does not exist, they should have
courage to proclaim that Fox Terriers and Beagles behave the same.
Serious students of anthrology should examine some of the research
done years ago on items as focused as color preferences just among the
races in europe.

There are about 150 breeds of dogs recognized by the American Kennel
Club, and about 500 different breeds when you include those not
recognized by the AKC. To find two breeds that behave the same means
nothing.

The point is, many of these breeds behave distinctly *different*.
e.g., some are generally docile(Cockers),
some are generally vicious (Dobermans)...

And the best dog with kids that I ever had was half wolf.

One example does not support a generalization.
Would you rather turn your kids loose with a
pack of "half wolves," or a pack of cocker spaniels...??
[/quote]
I>ve provided proof that your argument is flawed. Now go away.

Phil

Tim Heise · Guest

<makemyday@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3F9CECF2.121E19AC@worldnet.att.net...
[quote]

MIB529 wrote:

makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote in message
news:<3F955883.B01DE264@worldnet.att.net>...
Phil wrote:

On 17 Oct 2003 07:09:51 -0700, merwin19@rock.com (mack) wrote:

For those who proclaim that race does not exist, they should have
courage to proclaim that Fox Terriers and Beagles behave the same.
Serious students of anthrology should examine some of the research
done years ago on items as focused as color preferences just among
the
races in europe.

There are about 150 breeds of dogs recognized by the American Kennel
Club, and about 500 different breeds when you include those not
recognized by the AKC. To find two breeds that behave the same
means
nothing.

The point is, many of these breeds behave distinctly *different*.
e.g., some are generally docile(Cockers),
some are generally vicious (Dobermans)...

And the best dog with kids that I ever had was half wolf.

One example does not support a generalization.
Would you rather turn your kids loose with a
pack of "half wolves," or a pack of cocker spaniels...??
[/quote]
If this is so, whatever happened to free will?

MIB529 · Guest

makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote in message news:<3F9CECF2.121E19AC@worldnet.att.net>...
[quote]MIB529 wrote:

makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote in message news:<3F955883.B01DE264@worldnet.att.net>...
Phil wrote:

On 17 Oct 2003 07:09:51 -0700, merwin19@rock.com (mack) wrote:

For those who proclaim that race does not exist, they should have
courage to proclaim that Fox Terriers and Beagles behave the same.
Serious students of anthrology should examine some of the research
done years ago on items as focused as color preferences just among the
races in europe.

There are about 150 breeds of dogs recognized by the American Kennel
Club, and about 500 different breeds when you include those not
recognized by the AKC. To find two breeds that behave the same means
nothing.

The point is, many of these breeds behave distinctly *different*.
e.g., some are generally docile(Cockers),
some are generally vicious (Dobermans)...

And the best dog with kids that I ever had was half wolf.

One example does not support a generalization.
[/quote]
Translation: We>ll ignore variation within members of the same
population and instead focus on our own biased samples and generally
fudged numbers.

MIB529 · Guest

"Tim Heise" <tbh1221@sprintmail.com> wrote in message news:<bnjo1l$j67$1@ftupet.com>...
[quote]For those who proclaim that race does not exist, they should have
courage to proclaim that Fox Terriers and Beagles behave the same.
Serious students of anthrology should examine some of the research
done years ago on items as focused as color preferences just among
the
races in europe.

There are about 150 breeds of dogs recognized by the American Kennel
Club, and about 500 different breeds when you include those not
recognized by the AKC. To find two breeds that behave the same
means
nothing.

The point is, many of these breeds behave distinctly *different*.
e.g., some are generally docile(Cockers),
some are generally vicious (Dobermans)...

And the best dog with kids that I ever had was half wolf.

One example does not support a generalization.
Would you rather turn your kids loose with a
pack of "half wolves," or a pack of cocker spaniels...??

If this is so, whatever happened to free will?
[/quote]
That>s why it>s called biological DETERMINISM, Tim.

Guest

MIB529 wrote:
[quote]
makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote in message news:<3F9CECF2.121E19AC@worldnet.att.net>...
MIB529 wrote:

makemyday@worldnet.att.net wrote in message news:<3F955883.B01DE264@worldnet.att.net>...
Phil wrote:

On 17 Oct 2003 07:09:51 -0700, merwin19@rock.com (mack) wrote:

For those who proclaim that race does not exist, they should have
courage to proclaim that Fox Terriers and Beagles behave the same.
Serious students of anthrology should examine some of the research
done years ago on items as focused as color preferences just among the
races in europe.

There are about 150 breeds of dogs recognized by the American Kennel
Club, and about 500 different breeds when you include those not
recognized by the AKC. To find two breeds that behave the same means
nothing.

The point is, many of these breeds behave distinctly *different*.
e.g., some are generally docile(Cockers),
some are generally vicious (Dobermans)...

And the best dog with kids that I ever had was half wolf.

One example does not support a generalization.

Translation: We>ll ignore variation within members of the same
population and instead focus on our own biased samples and generally
fudged numbers.
[/quote]
Insurance companies do quite well ignoring individuals and instead
going with the group statistics (non-smokers, over-25 drivers, etc).


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