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 Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: Gavin Menzies is at it again |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080729/tc_nm/britain_book_leonardo_dc_2
Gavin Menzies sets sights on Leonardo da Vinci
By Tim Castle Tue Jul 29, 3:23 AM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Leonardo da Vinci>s drawings of machines are
uncannily similar to Chinese originals and were undoubtedly derived
from them, a British amateur historian says in a newly-published book.
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Gavin Menzies sparked headlines across the globe in 2002 with the
claim that Chinese sailors reached America 70 years before Christopher
Columbus.
Now he says a Chinese fleet brought encyclopedias of technology
undiscovered by the West to Italy in 1434, laying the foundation for
the engineering marvels such as flying machines later drawn by Italian
polymath Leonardo.
... more ....
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: Re: Gavin Menzies is at it again |
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On Jul 30, 2:53 pm, Eric Stevens <eric.stev...@sum.co.nz> wrote:
[quote]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080729/tc_nm/britain_book_leonardo_dc_2
Gavin Menzies sets sights on Leonardo da Vinci
By Tim Castle Tue Jul 29, 3:23 AM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Leonardo da Vinci>s drawings of machines are
uncannily similar to Chinese originals and were undoubtedly derived
from them, a British amateur historian says in a newly-published book.
ADVERTISEMENT
Gavin Menzies sparked headlines across the globe in 2002 with the
claim that Chinese sailors reached America 70 years before Christopher
Columbus.
Now he says a Chinese fleet brought encyclopedias of technology
undiscovered by the West to Italy in 1434, laying the foundation for
the engineering marvels such as flying machines later drawn by Italian
polymath Leonardo.
... more ....
Eric Stevens
[/quote]
Just caught sight of this in a bookshop yesterday, and looked at it
long enough to see that Menzies repeats, apparently in seriousness,
the claim by a Croatian fantasist that a 16th century Ragusan, Vice
Bune, not only explored most of Melanesia but named half the islands
after places in the Adriatic. This wretch has polluted innumerable
"reference" sites with this nonsense, which seems remarkably difficult
to get rid of once it>s there.
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Tom McDonald
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: Re: Gavin Menzies is at it again |
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Eric Stevens wrote:
[quote]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080729/tc_nm/britain_book_leonardo_dc_2
Gavin Menzies sets sights on Leonardo da Vinci
By Tim Castle Tue Jul 29, 3:23 AM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Leonardo da Vinci>s drawings of machines are
uncannily similar to Chinese originals and were undoubtedly derived
from them, a British amateur historian says in a newly-published book.
ADVERTISEMENT
Gavin Menzies sparked headlines across the globe in 2002 with the
claim that Chinese sailors reached America 70 years before Christopher
Columbus.
Now he says a Chinese fleet brought encyclopedias of technology
undiscovered by the West to Italy in 1434, laying the foundation for
the engineering marvels such as flying machines later drawn by Italian
polymath Leonardo.
... more ....
[/quote]
Does anyone really pay attention to this proven fraud and his
'The Chinese Did Everything' claims?
The facts of Chinese technological superiority for much of the
las couple of thousand years are stunning enough. Is Menzies
trying to make a buck here, or does he have some other
agenda--such as trying to shore up his good name by putting more
brown and smelly spackle on that crumbling edifice? |
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Peter Alaca
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Gavin Menzies is at it again |
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Tom McDonald wrote, 30/07/2008 05:39:
[quote]Eric Stevens wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080729/tc_nm/britain_book_leonardo_dc_2
Gavin Menzies sets sights on Leonardo da Vinci
By Tim Castle Tue Jul 29, 3:23 AM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Leonardo da Vinci>s drawings of machines are
uncannily similar to Chinese originals and were undoubtedly derived
from them, a British amateur historian says in a newly-published book.
ADVERTISEMENT
Gavin Menzies sparked headlines across the globe in 2002 with the
claim that Chinese sailors reached America 70 years before Christopher
Columbus.
Now he says a Chinese fleet brought encyclopedias of technology
undiscovered by the West to Italy in 1434, laying the foundation for
the engineering marvels such as flying machines later drawn by Italian
polymath Leonardo.
... more ....
Does anyone really pay attention to this proven fraud and his
'The Chinese Did Everything' claims?
[/quote]
Yes, Eric.
[quote]The facts of Chinese technological superiority for much of the
las couple of thousand years are stunning enough. Is Menzies
trying to make a buck here, or does he have some other
agenda--such as trying to shore up his good name by putting more
brown and smelly spackle on that crumbling edifice?[/quote] |
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SolomonW
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Gavin Menzies is at it again |
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In article <4890228b$0$30962$dbd45001@news.wanadoo.nl>,
p.alaca@purple.invalid says...
[quote]Does anyone really pay attention to this proven fraud and his
'The Chinese Did Everything' claims?
Yes, Eric.
[/quote]
Unfortunate but true. |
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Eric Stevens
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Gavin Menzies is at it again |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:12:45 +0200, Peter Alaca
<p.alaca@purple.invalid> wrote:
[quote]Tom McDonald wrote, 30/07/2008 05:39:
Eric Stevens wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080729/tc_nm/britain_book_leonardo_dc_2
Gavin Menzies sets sights on Leonardo da Vinci
By Tim Castle Tue Jul 29, 3:23 AM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Leonardo da Vinci>s drawings of machines are
uncannily similar to Chinese originals and were undoubtedly derived
from them, a British amateur historian says in a newly-published book.
ADVERTISEMENT
Gavin Menzies sparked headlines across the globe in 2002 with the
claim that Chinese sailors reached America 70 years before Christopher
Columbus.
Now he says a Chinese fleet brought encyclopedias of technology
undiscovered by the West to Italy in 1434, laying the foundation for
the engineering marvels such as flying machines later drawn by Italian
polymath Leonardo.
... more ....
Does anyone really pay attention to this proven fraud and his
'The Chinese Did Everything' claims?
Yes, Eric.
[/quote]
Jeez ...
You are an idiot. :-(
[quote]
The facts of Chinese technological superiority for much of the
las couple of thousand years are stunning enough. Is Menzies
trying to make a buck here, or does he have some other
agenda--such as trying to shore up his good name by putting more
brown and smelly spackle on that crumbling edifice?
[/quote]
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Eric Stevens
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Gavin Menzies is at it again |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:15:26 +1000, SolomonW <SolomonW@Nothing.com>
wrote:
[quote]In article <4890228b$0$30962$dbd45001@news.wanadoo.nl>,
p.alaca@purple.invalid says...
Does anyone really pay attention to this proven fraud and his
'The Chinese Did Everything' claims?
Yes, Eric.
Unfortunate but true.
[/quote]
Jeez ...
You are an idiot too. :-(
Eric Stevens |
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Peter Alaca
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Gavin Menzies is at it again |
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Eric Stevens wrote, 30/07/2008 11:52:
[quote]On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:12:45 +0200, Peter Alaca
p.alaca@purple.invalid> wrote:
Tom McDonald wrote, 30/07/2008 05:39:
Eric Stevens wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080729/tc_nm/britain_book_leonardo_dc_2
Gavin Menzies sets sights on Leonardo da Vinci
By Tim Castle Tue Jul 29, 3:23 AM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Leonardo da Vinci>s drawings of machines are
uncannily similar to Chinese originals and were undoubtedly derived
from them, a British amateur historian says in a newly-published book.
ADVERTISEMENT
Gavin Menzies sparked headlines across the globe in 2002 with the
claim that Chinese sailors reached America 70 years before Christopher
Columbus.
Now he says a Chinese fleet brought encyclopedias of technology
undiscovered by the West to Italy in 1434, laying the foundation for
the engineering marvels such as flying machines later drawn by Italian
polymath Leonardo.
... more ....
Does anyone really pay attention to this proven fraud and his
'The Chinese Did Everything' claims?
Yes, Eric.
Jeez ...
You are an idiot. :-(
[/quote]
Jeez, you really pay attention to this proven fraud. |
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LloydB
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Gavin Menzies is at it again |
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On Jul 30, 7:57 am, Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2...@charter.net> wrote:
[snip]
[quote]
But Eric>s attention is clearly (to me at least) to expose
Menzies' frauds rather than to support him.
[/quote]
Chatting about a known fraud gives the fraud exposure...
all too true. |
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Tom McDonald
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Gavin Menzies is at it again |
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Peter Alaca wrote:
[quote]Tom McDonald wrote, 30/07/2008 05:39:
Eric Stevens wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080729/tc_nm/britain_book_leonardo_dc_2
Gavin Menzies sets sights on Leonardo da Vinci
By Tim Castle Tue Jul 29, 3:23 AM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Leonardo da Vinci>s drawings of machines are
uncannily similar to Chinese originals and were undoubtedly derived
from them, a British amateur historian says in a newly-published book.
ADVERTISEMENT
Gavin Menzies sparked headlines across the globe in 2002 with the
claim that Chinese sailors reached America 70 years before Christopher
Columbus.
Now he says a Chinese fleet brought encyclopedias of technology
undiscovered by the West to Italy in 1434, laying the foundation for
the engineering marvels such as flying machines later drawn by Italian
polymath Leonardo.
... more ....
Does anyone really pay attention to this proven fraud and his 'The
Chinese Did Everything' claims?
Yes, Eric.
[/quote]
I should have been clearer. I meant 'does anyone believe Menzies
any more". Eric clearly doesn>t.
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Tom McDonald
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Gavin Menzies is at it again |
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Peter Alaca wrote:
[quote]Eric Stevens wrote, 30/07/2008 11:52:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:12:45 +0200, Peter Alaca
p.alaca@purple.invalid> wrote:
Tom McDonald wrote, 30/07/2008 05:39:
Eric Stevens wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080729/tc_nm/britain_book_leonardo_dc_2
Gavin Menzies sets sights on Leonardo da Vinci
By Tim Castle Tue Jul 29, 3:23 AM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Leonardo da Vinci>s drawings of machines are
uncannily similar to Chinese originals and were undoubtedly derived
from them, a British amateur historian says in a newly-published book.
ADVERTISEMENT
Gavin Menzies sparked headlines across the globe in 2002 with the
claim that Chinese sailors reached America 70 years before Christopher
Columbus.
Now he says a Chinese fleet brought encyclopedias of technology
undiscovered by the West to Italy in 1434, laying the foundation for
the engineering marvels such as flying machines later drawn by Italian
polymath Leonardo.
... more ....
Does anyone really pay attention to this proven fraud and his 'The
Chinese Did Everything' claims?
Yes, Eric.
Jeez ...
You are an idiot. :-(
Jeez, you really pay attention to this proven fraud.
[/quote]
But Eric>s attention is clearly (to me at least) to expose
Menzies' frauds rather than to support him. |
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David
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: Re: Gavin Menzies is at it again |
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On Jul 30, 7:12 pm, "John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
[quote]Tom McDonald wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:42:27 -0500, Tom McDonald
tmcdonald2...@charter.net> wrote:
snip
I should have been clearer. I meant 'does anyone believe Menzies
any more". Eric clearly doesn>t.
As I have several times said in the past, in my opinion Menzies is a
rogue and a liar.
I for one appreciate your bringing this to my attention, and to
these ngs. I think he deserves being roundly ignored; but unless
folks who know better tell the truth about him, some innocents
may read about his latest travesty and think he may be on to
something.
It is more likely that people so innocent are ineducable.
--
John Briggs
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I have to support Tom on this one.
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Eric Stevens
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:00 am Post subject: Re: Gavin Menzies is at it again |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:42:27 -0500, Tom McDonald
<tmcdonald2672@charter.net> wrote:
[quote]Peter Alaca wrote:
Tom McDonald wrote, 30/07/2008 05:39:
Eric Stevens wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080729/tc_nm/britain_book_leonardo_dc_2
Gavin Menzies sets sights on Leonardo da Vinci
By Tim Castle Tue Jul 29, 3:23 AM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Leonardo da Vinci>s drawings of machines are
uncannily similar to Chinese originals and were undoubtedly derived
from them, a British amateur historian says in a newly-published book.
ADVERTISEMENT
Gavin Menzies sparked headlines across the globe in 2002 with the
claim that Chinese sailors reached America 70 years before Christopher
Columbus.
Now he says a Chinese fleet brought encyclopedias of technology
undiscovered by the West to Italy in 1434, laying the foundation for
the engineering marvels such as flying machines later drawn by Italian
polymath Leonardo.
... more ....
Does anyone really pay attention to this proven fraud and his 'The
Chinese Did Everything' claims?
Yes, Eric.
I should have been clearer. I meant 'does anyone believe Menzies
any more". Eric clearly doesn>t.
[/quote]
As I have several times said in the past, in my opinion Menzies is a
rogue and a liar.
Eric Stevens |
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Tom McDonald
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:36 am Post subject: Re: Gavin Menzies is at it again |
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Eric Stevens wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:42:27 -0500, Tom McDonald
tmcdonald2672@charter.net> wrote:
[/quote]
<snip>
[quote]I should have been clearer. I meant 'does anyone believe Menzies
any more". Eric clearly doesn>t.
As I have several times said in the past, in my opinion Menzies is a
rogue and a liar.
[/quote]
I for one appreciate your bringing this to my attention, and to
these ngs. I think he deserves being roundly ignored; but unless
folks who know better tell the truth about him, some innocents
may read about his latest travesty and think he may be on to
something. |
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John Briggs
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:12 am Post subject: Re: Gavin Menzies is at it again |
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Tom McDonald wrote:
[quote]Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:42:27 -0500, Tom McDonald
tmcdonald2672@charter.net> wrote:
snip
I should have been clearer. I meant 'does anyone believe Menzies
any more". Eric clearly doesn>t.
As I have several times said in the past, in my opinion Menzies is a
rogue and a liar.
I for one appreciate your bringing this to my attention, and to
these ngs. I think he deserves being roundly ignored; but unless
folks who know better tell the truth about him, some innocents
may read about his latest travesty and think he may be on to
something.
[/quote]
It is more likely that people so innocent are ineducable.
--
John Briggs |
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