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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:17:50 -0400, "2nd Ammedment Lives: Liberals wet
their Panties" <anti gun liberal k00k@dnc.org> wrote:

[quote]
wbyeats@ireland.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:24:54 -0400, "2nd Ammedment Lives: Liberals wet
their Panties" <anti gun liberal k00k@dnc.org> wrote:

Keep voting for Pelosi and her anti Oil Drilling rats that infest
congress!
LOL!

http://tinyurl.com/6rnkks

That>s for Streetblaze racing fuels for superchargers or NOS, Doofus.
Obviously you can>t even read what you post.

===============

Hey f ck face, the Street racing gas was $ 7.99 a gallon you maggot faced
imbecile.
[/quote]
Dumb as a rock comes to mind. The 100 Octane Streetblaze was $7.99 and
the 93 Octane was $5.98. Now if the entire sign was legible it MIGHT
say what gasoline cost. It>s extremely hard to converse with someone
who is both illiterate - and proud of it.

WB Yeats

Day Brown · Guest

Jack Linthicum wrote:
[quote]why bother to invent a steam engine when you have your choice of
slaves from all over the know world to work and die for you in the
mines?

How about a ship with 1000 rowers? If you don>t have to train that
many and keep replacing your losses you can use the best for the
marines.
Barford, "The Early Slavs" reports that after the Legions had been[/quote]
used as slave raiders across the Rhine and Danube, that whole region,
for 100 km wide, was abandoned as barbarians moved further away from
the Roman frontier.

IIRC, it was Gibbon who first calculated that the empire peaked at
100 million about the time of Augustus. He also said Britian had 27
million when the Romans arrive, but only 4 after they left.

Recent forensic examination of slave skeletons after Christianity
too over showed the women were so malnourished they were infertile.
Apparently, the slave drivers felt that if Jesus was going to reward
the slaves for all their labor in heaven, there was no need to do so
on Earth.

Anyway, after the barbarian farms were abandoned, the land grew up
in inpenetrable brush such as I see all the time after a clearcut.
In just a couple decades it became possible for Slav couples to take
a few tools and clear an acre hidden away in the boonies. Barford
calculated they start out at 1 person/sq km. The population density
is too low to make slave raiding profitable. There are no villages,
much less towns, and the Romans cant find the Slavs in the bush.

"Slav", it turns out, is an orwellian oxymoron; you could not make
slaves out of Slavs; just like American Indians, they just ran off
into the bush.
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basilod · Guest

"Sebastian Rector" <ciceroii@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:34afe20d-1b10-46c9-8b6c-66d6f551d87f@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
[quote]It was about 10 years ago that Democrat president Bill Clinton vetoed
a congressional energy
bill that would have allowed drilling for oil in the Anwar region of
Alaska. That has turned out to be a disastrous mistake on Clinton and
the Democrats' part.

[/quote]
How naïve!!!

The prices of all DOLLAR-DENOMINATED commodities, and not just of oil, have
been "rising" and this is just a symptom of a disease - not the disease
itself. But Americans are used to treating the pain only instead of
treating the disease causing the pain - this is how they have been killing
their pain with VIOXX and other pain-killers thus allowing their different
diseases to keep killing them silently - without pain. Then, when the sick
people started dying painlessly their relatives just sued the pain-killer
makers! You are doing exactly the same thing by blaming Clinton (or
former/current Federal Reserve chairmen) for rising oil prices. Try to see
the disease - not just its painful symptoms! The value of the dollar is
falling and hence the prices of everything denominated in dollar are going
up!

Why is the dollar falling? Because of too much of dollar-denominated debt
in the world! Did the home-"owners" borrow from banks more than they can
pay back safely and timely? Did American consumers borrow from banks too
much to buy cars, yachts, electronic toys, etc.? - Those, of course were
contributing factors into the dollar crisis, but they are not the main
factor. Since the time of Reagan American Administrations have been the
world>s heaviest borrowers. They have been investing into arms races and
into war after an expensive war much more than they have been collecting
from taxpayers (the only way Administrations can pay for their expenses) -
cheap popularity contest trick! Clinton was the only President since 1970>s
who realized that and who attempted to begin the process of reducing our
national indebtedness. But then come year 2000 and the world>s worst
spendthrift plunges the country into two expensive wars of choice without
ever attempting to raise a $Trillion which those wars ultimately cost the
country. In order to pay for those senseless war investments (out of
Budget) he first issues hundreds of $Billions in new Federal Debt and big
investors (to a large extent Asian banks) buy that debt attracted by high
guaranteed interest on that debt. When the market for Federal bonds gets
over-flooded with that new and old debt he just forces the Federal Reserve
(the only authorized printer of dollar bills) to spend tons of ink daily on
printing new dollars unsupported by gold or by anything else the
Administration owns. All of those tons of freshly-printed (and
attractively-colored) dollar bills keep being thrown into the currency
markets in order to keep paying for criminal wars which do not contribute to
anybody>s security (with the exception of illegally resurrected state of
Israel). No wonder the value of American currency is being undercut, the
prices of first dollar-denominated commodities, and then of everything else
produced using those commodities keeps going up. The only explanation of
why the world-wide biggest investors (sovereign, banks and individual
billionaires) are not dumping the dollars they have been holding is in the
well known saying: if you own the bank a thousand dollars and cannot pay
back - you are in trouble; if you own the bank a $Million and cannot pay
back - the bank is in trouble. This is the main reason so many banks
worldwide are now in trouble - they are forced to write off billions and
billions in worthless debt they have accumulated.

At the same time, just as in that well-known fairy tale about the King>s new
cloths everybody is afraid to tell our "King" that he too is naked. So,
while billions of poorest and middle-income consumers around the world keep
suffering from the world>s worst inflation since 1930>s - the inflation
caused by his (and his Republican predecessors') excessive borrowing, he
just keeps burning $Billions daily on the wars he started based on shameless
lies, on the wars the original (and false) goals for which have been
achieved long time ago even according to him: "Mission accomplished!",
"Ladies and gentlemen, we>ve got him!"

He and his accomplices will just keep borrowing in order to wage their
illegal wars as long as the American public (and their representatives in
Congress) allows them to. This will surely keep contributing to the world
economic crisis, yet you and the other boot-lickers will never dare to say
"Your Majesty, you are naked!" - not even "It>s the economy, stupid!"

Werner · Guest

On Jun 27, 10:06 pm, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:43:41 -0700 (PDT), Werner <whetz...@mac.com
wrote:
...

Business now pays a tremendous amount for worker health. Imagine if GM
had to pay 1/2 as much per worker for health care.

Wake up. We>re losing the competition with the countries that already
have it. And you boys argue we need to avoid it to be competitive?
LOL.

Wake up!
[/quote]

Exactly. Imagine if you and I paid for our own health care like we pay
for our own food and housing. That would lower the price of cars and
more people would buy them.

Werner · Guest

On Jun 27, 10:18Â pm, h...@nospam.org wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:34:20 -0700 (PDT), Werner <whetz...@mac.com
wrote:

On Jun 27, 2:31Â pm, "Dr. Cavortian" <perryneh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
With the stock markets' steep plunge yesterday (June 26), most
financial observers say the U.S. should brace for either a long
"recovery" or a dive into even deeper economy woes.

And Wall Street>s fake optimism is just that.

-------------------------
"This Recession, It>s Just Beginning"

....

Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea -
anyone who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. The Fed is making a lot of
paper fish. This is an illusion of wealth. The real fish are gone.

Socialism isn>t the problem nimrod. Â The problem is the capitalists.
And the Rebublicans are in their pockets and make a habit out of
letting the foxes guard the henhouse.

Hal
[/quote]

Don>t worry. Capital is leaving for better pastures or going broke.
You can see the result.
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/how.shtml
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea -
anyone who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. The Fed is making a lot of
paper fish. This is an illusion of wealth. The real fish are gone.
Â ----
Tired of Politics as Usual? Do something. â€¨Â
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/RevolutionMarch.html

[quote]
Â ----
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/how.shtml
Tired of Politics as Usual? Do something. ?Â
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/RevolutionMarch.html[/quote]

nobody · Guest

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:02:44 -0700, retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:

[quote]On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:31:21 -0400, nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

It is quite nauseating to witness the rightarded version of "will of the
people". It always gets down to "we suckered the people or won through
election fraud and that means we have a mandate".

Oh I see, Republicans win and it>s fraud. If the Dems win, it>s the
"will of the people".

When you win by clearing the roles of opposition voters, you really
can>t claim you represent the will of the people.
[/quote]
Thank you for proving my point...

Don Tiberone · Guest

On Jun 27, 10:21 pm, Vide...@tcq.net wrote:
[quote]On Jun 28, 12:09 am, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:18:29 -0700 (PDT), Don Tiberone

s_knig...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Even better, they should be required to explain in detail how it is
that investors who never take delivery of a single barrel of crude -
and thus never remove a drop of oil from the open market - are causing
record high oil prices.

You can>t see that that>s actually the problem?

then they think asia will pick up the slack, but as of today, chinas
market is down 52% this year so far. indias almost the same, vietnam
is in a depression, indonesia is teetering, korea is slowing down, so
is japan and tiawan, thailand inflation is exploding. the phillipines
is failing. infact, the emerging markets will be swimming in extreme
inflation soon.
[/quote]
Who is the feverish bubble investor? The guy who is bullish an
overvalued dollar like you are? Or the guy who invested in oil at 30
and last added to it at around 55? Hell, ever since oil hit 100, I>ve
been waiting for it to fall back to 80 before I add more. You are the
clueless one who is being left behind and was bearish from the bottom
all the way up.

Notice everytime you post that inflation is tanking stock markets, you
are admitting you are wrong. Afterall, you>re the one who predicted
deflation. Yet all you>re posting about is inflation, which is what I
predicted. And notice you are once again assuming stock market
speculators are accurate predictors of the economy. Just like they
were in 2004-2005 when China>s stock market got cut in half, right?
China>s stock market is pretty much the most irrelevent stock market
in the world and has no bearing on reality, on the way up or down.
It>s basically dominated by people that you trust, speculators and
gamblers, which explains why you place so much emphasis on it.
Alot of China stocks listed in other exchanges often move in opposite
directions. For example, my Asia fund went up yesterday even while you
feverishly was posting how Asia stocks were tanking.

nobody · Guest

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:01:52 -0700, retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:

[quote]On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:31:21 -0400, nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

I realize this is hard for you to accept, but when people elect a
President, part of that "will of the people" is that his judges will
go through the nomination process and be confirmed. Failure to do so
leaves vacancies in important positions. The Dems abused their power
of the filibuster simply for political reasons -- deal with it. In
addition, I>ve provided three non-judicial uses of the filibuster
which you just chose to spin away. Sorry if you have such a problem
dealing with reality.

Bull shit. The will of the people is exercised by the Senators as well
as the President. If their constituents didn>t like their efforts to
block and forestall these attempted appointments they>d be voted out.
[/quote]
One could make the same argument about filibusters...

[quote]
The fact of the matter is the system counts on compromise between
reasonable parties. But the GOP doesn>t believe in compromise. It
views politics as war, which means everything is permissible - lying
cheating, swift boating, fraud, etc.
[/quote]
Oh please. The Dem idea of compromise is to agree to what the Dems
want.
[quote]

But they>ve shown what their rule leads to. They won>t see power again
for a generation at least. And thank God, for that.
[/quote]
If the Dems continue to do nothing about the economy and energy prices
but blather on, I suspect you will be proven quite incorrect.

nobody · Guest

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:31:03 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<NoemailPlease@comcast.com> wrote:

[quote]nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:ik3b649nge2b2phrit0qno7voumv3236c7@4ax.com:

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:42:38 -0700, The Trucker <mikcob@verizon.net
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:59:37 -0400, nobody wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:40:01 -0700, The Trucker <mikcob@verizon.net
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:38:33 -0400, nobody wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:18:47 -0700, The Trucker <mikcob@verizon.net
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 06:46:37 -0400, nobody wrote:

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:41:03 -0700, The Trucker
mikcob@verizon.net> wrote:

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:19:49 -0500, David Hartung wrote:

The Trucker wrote:

It is not the ranting about the filibuster that is irksome. It
is the pig prancing lie that the Democrats __**control**_ the
Congress, and the insinuation that the Democrats are unable to
get things done because they are failing to do what the people
want. They are, in my estimation doing what I want done to as
best they can while fighting the Republicans who are still
embracing fascism.

You know as well as I do, that if the situation were reversed,
you would be doing the same thing.

No, moron. The embrace of minority fascism is a Republican
mainstay. Thus it is utterly impossible for me (or anyone else) to
support the party of democracy and at the same time "be doing the
same thing".

Then you can cite for us posts you made to Usenet condemning the
Dems for doing the same thing just a couple of years ago?

No need, liar. Because you can>t you show me any actual examples of
the Democrats doing "the same thing" in recent history. The
Democrats did not have a veto pen backing them up or did they have
enough votes in the Senate to have done "the same thing".

Your attempt at confusing the issue is so noted. We were speaking
of a party utilizing the fillibuster to stop the legislative
process.

No. You claimed that Democrats did "the same thing". Looking at
the swill you have concocted below we can>t find any _real_ stuff that
says the Democrats used a filibuster to thwart the will of the
people.

Both parties have been guilty of using this tactic on a regular
basis when they weren>t in power. You, however, seem only
interested when Republican>s do it.

No. I maintain that when Democrats use it (**ACTUALLY USE IT** as
opposed to a GOP prancing pig shit claim), they do not use it to
thwart the majority will.

Exactly... You>ve proven my point for me. How funny that the point
sailed right over your head.

Here>s some examples of the Dems utilizing the filibuster to stop
the Republicans:

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/10/30/115911.shtml

Judges are not part of the popular will.

Sure they are. People want their judges on the bench. They elected
Bush to, among other things, place judges on the bench who agree with
his philosophy. The Dems obstructed and thwared the established
process.

http://www.npr.org/programs/specials/anwr/

"Drilling on the refuge has been a centerpiece of the Bush
administration>s energy agenda. But pro-drilling lawmakers fell short
of even a majority in the Senate vote, and development of the refuge
will probably not be possible in Congress this year."

SEE BELOW on the same issue

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/jan-june05/judges_4-25.html

Judges are not a matter of the public will.

Yes they are and you saying they>re not is just liberal "thought
processes at work".

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2005/dec/15/20051215-122111-5238r/

This one is actually legitimate in that the House of Representatives
passed the bill with a pretty good majority. Even 45 Democrats voted
for it. You seem to have found a case where the Senate Democrats grew
a backbone. A rare find indeed.

Thank you for proving my point even though you attempt to spin away at
the same time.

http://rawstory.com/news08/2008/06/24/feingold-dodd-planning-filibust
er-of-wiretap-bill/

This one is not legit. The filibuster has yet to happen and probably
won>t happen. The House approved this measure. The majority of
Democrats voted against it. Only one Republican voted against it.
Not a bipartisan bill by any stretch of the imagination. Bur we will
see.

The Dems have both threatened and actually used the filibuster to stop
the legislative process. Sorry, you lose.

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/jan/27/nation/na-alito27

Judges are not a matter of the public will as expressed by the House.

Feel free to keep telling yourself that...

http://www.gopbloggers.org/mt/archives/002764.html

This one is another attempt by the Republicans to attach a totally non
related drilling of the ANWR to a defense appropriations bill, and it
is not something that came out of the people>s House of
Representatives. This is not a blocking of the will of the people. It
is the usual crap pulled by Republicans in relation to the ANWR. It is
the SAME CRAP AS THE ONE ABOVE:

Spin, spin, spin. Your spin doesn>t change the fact the Dems did
exactly what you rant about when the Republicans did it. They used
the filibuster to obstruct legislation.

"Drilling on the refuge has been a centerpiece of the Bush
administration>s energy agenda. But pro-drilling lawmakers fell short
of even a majority in the Senate vote, and development of the refuge
will probably not be possible in Congress this year."

AT THIS TIME the Republicans had a 3 seat majority in the senate and
they could not even muster a majority on this issue. A filibuster was
totally unnecessary. And again this is the work of Ted "bridge to
nowhere" Stevens.

Shall I go on?

You must get very dizzy from all the spinning and twisting you do to
avoid the truth.

I gave you one of the things you cited and thus I have been corrected
regarding my claim that the Democrats have never done what the
Republicans do as a matter of course. They did, in fact, filibuster the
Patriot Act which had been duly passed by the House with more than a
slim majority. The circumstances, of course, were/are different in that
the Democrats had no veto pen supporting them. And that Patriot Act
filibuster seems to be the only case in which they have actually
thwarted the will of the people>s House. All the rest of your cites are
crap. Judges are not legislation. Judges are appointments by the
(P)resident and have nothing to do with the House or the expressed will
of the people.

I realize this is hard for you to accept, but when people elect a
President, part of that "will of the people" is that his judges will
go through the nomination process and be confirmed.

"Senate Democrats who continue to use obstructionist
tactics and delay an up or down vote on these nominees."
George Bush, July 6, 2004. In fact the Senate Democrats
have voted to confirm all but 3 of Bush>s 198 nominations,
compared to the GOP blocking 102 of Clinton>s nomintions.

Failure to do so
leaves vacancies in important positions. The Dems abused their power
of the filibuster simply for political reasons -- deal with it.

"Republicans systematically kept President Clinton>s nominees
from even getting hearings in the Judiciary Committee, although
the Democratic President regularly consulted with Republicans
in advance and offered moderate nominees. More than 60 Clinton
nominees were "filibustered" in committee --- not allowed to
come to the floor for a vote."
www.house.gov/cummings/cbc/cbcpress/2003nov12a.htm
[/quote]
I guess Mitchie has missed the whole point of the discussion. I>ve
said that both sides are guilty of utilizing the filibuster. It>s the
lib loons around here who claimed the Dems don>t.

Oh look, Mitchie gets caught in another lie...

Here>s Mitchie Holman claiming he doesn>t read Robw>s posts:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg/108506408bfb8fb4?dmode=source

And here>s Mitchie Holman *responding* to Robw. Wonder how he can
reply if he doesn>t read the posts.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/e35c2213505fb89f?dmode=source

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/ecd040790838689c?dmode=source

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/5f3a15c281ba8de0?dmode=source

Let see, will Mitchie

1. Start talking about handles (again)
2. Post another uncited quote (again)
3. Run away and hide (again)

Jim Austin · Guest

On Jun 26, 1:18 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote:
[quote]On Jun 26, 11:16 am, Jim Austin <b...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
distracting drivel.

Try this instead:
'State Instituted Fear as a Means of Control?'
[/quote]
I tried it. It wasn>t very good -- a bit too broad.

The fear of terrorism was instituted by terrorists. Those succumbing
to the fear seek safety through groveling before terrorists, acceding
to their demands, surrendering. Those succumbing to fear of terrorists
advocate liberal policies.

Those refusing to succumb to fear of terrorists demand resistance,
opposition, retaliation to terrorists.

nobody · Guest

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:13:25 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<NoemailPlease@comcast.com> wrote:

[quote]David Hartung <d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote in news:QcCdnZrb6-
t0OfjVnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@comcast.com:

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Senate Democrats who continue to use obstructionist
tactics and delay an up or down vote on these nominees."
George Bush, July 6, 2004. In fact the Senate Democrats
have voted to confirm all but 3 of Bush>s 198 nominations,
compared to the GOP blocking 102 of Clinton>s nomintions.

Failure to do so
leaves vacancies in important positions. The Dems abused their power
of the filibuster simply for political reasons -- deal with it.

"Republicans systematically kept President Clinton>s nominees
from even getting hearings in the Judiciary Committee, although
the Democratic President regularly consulted with Republicans
in advance and offered moderate nominees. More than 60 Clinton
nominees were "filibustered" in committee --- not allowed to
come to the floor for a vote."
www.house.gov/cummings/cbc/cbcpress/2003nov12a.htm

Thus we see that both parties play politics wit the rules of the House
and Senate.

But only Republican rant about filibusters in between
bouts of engaging in themselves.
[/quote]
Mitchie gets it wrong again (whodda thunk it?)

http://www.vbdems.org/?p=1462
http://wonkette.com/364820/harry-reid-says-a-filibuster-is-like-stabbing
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/16/reid-filibuster/
http://kennedy.senate.gov/newsroom/press_release.cfm?id=7A977709-7021-4FB8-B592-05E6087CE667

I could go on if you>d like...

Guest

"Jim Austin" <bja@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:ba47d09e-43f0-4719-b650-a993d02c97bc@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
[quote]On Jun 26, 1:18 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote:
On Jun 26, 11:16 am, Jim Austin <b...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
distracting drivel.

Try this instead:
'State Instituted Fear as a Means of Control?'

I tried it. It wasn>t very good -- a bit too broad.

The fear of terrorism was instituted by terrorists. Those succumbing
to the fear seek safety through groveling before terrorists, acceding
to their demands, surrendering. Those succumbing to fear of terrorists
advocate liberal policies.

Those refusing to succumb to fear of terrorists demand resistance,
opposition, retaliation to terrorists.[/quote]

nobody · Guest

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:51:36 -0500, "johnny@." <johnny@.> wrote:

[quote]nobody wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:39:21 -0400, Mani Deli <nothing@inter.com
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:24:54 -0400, "2nd Ammedment Lives: Liberals wet
their Panties" <anti gun liberal k00k@dnc.org> wrote:

Keep voting for Pelosi and her anti Oil Drilling rats that infest congress!
LOL!

http://tinyurl.com/6rnkks
Another Republican prick who believes that drilling wells in Alaska
and off Florida will solve his gas proplems.

Tell us, oh wise one, what will solve the gas problems. Please be
specific.

Battery powered automobiles.
[/quote]
And the electricity will come from where? Libs are against oil, coal,
nuclear, wind, and water power.

Spaceman · Guest

jmfbahciv wrote:
[quote]Spaceman wrote:
jmfbahciv wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
On Jun 26, 3:26 pm, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net
wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:

You>re funny, Bob. We can>t get anywhere near the speed of
light with existing energy sources, and you>re convinced we
can>t get to the speed of light at all! Stop listening to
witch-doctor theoretical physicists mumbling their sacred
incantations. Start thinking critically, and stop being a
lemming true believer. We have enough of those in the world,
already.
The witch doctors have over 100 years of solid experimental
evidence backing them up. No massive body shall exceed light
speed in any frame of reference. We won>t even come close with a
massive vessel. So the only opening is to extend our life span so
we can last until we get to where we are going (right now Earth
is the only know planet that is habitable by humans). Go to the
stars? Which star? What planet around which star?

The witch doctors have helped to create the computer on which you
spew your nonsense.

Bob Kolker

- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Sorry Bob, relativity doesn>t have anything to do with transistors
or computers.
You really should take Physics 101.

If that is what they are teaching in physics 101,
they need to wake up.
Teaching that relativity is the reason computers work in physics 101
is just complete hyped up bullshit.

Sigh! Think TVs and electrons hitting the screen.
[/quote]
What about them.
magnets and force on the electrons and perfect aiming
of the course changes of each electrons path do all that.
Nothing to do with "relativity".
It>s all classical ballistics.
You can>t explain an electron path with ballistics?
That is yet more proof,
They have skipped a lot of the stuff that actually works
fine and jumped to the "church version" instead.

--
James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman


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