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CB wrote:
[quote]"RichTravsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
CB wrote:
"(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilt.n ¸.·´¯) .. NO FACTS Support RRR Cult>s Hate-Agendas!
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:07:01 -0500,
"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
"Lubow" <lubow@lubowindustries.com> wrote:
"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
Except when it comes to homos tolerating Christians who
believe homosexuality is a sin to be avoided, then bigotry
abounds.
Typical Barta the Loser logic... complaining about bigotry
against
those who use religion as an excuse to be bigoted...
You heard it here first, everybody!
You be duh ignant bigot, homo.
Keep it in the bedroom and there>s no problem
Well, let>s see now.
The sexual orientations, just like handedness and eye color,
are merely TRIVIAL variations of NORMALCY.
10% of people are left-handed. So they are in the minority.
But they are NORMAL.
5% or people are homosexual or bisexual. So they are in the
minority. But they are NORMAL.
It>s sick
http://www.drizzle.com/~slmndr/salamandir/pubs/irishtimes/opt3.htm
When marriage between gays was by rite (August 11, 1998):
RITE AND REASON: A Kiev art museum contains a curious icon from St
Catherine>s monastery on Mount Sinai. It shows two robed Christian
saints. Between them is a traditional Roman pronubus (best man)
overseeing what in a standard Roman icon would be the wedding of a
husband and wife. In the icon, Christ is the pronubus. Only one thing
is unusual. The "husband and wife" are in fact two men.
Is the icon suggesting that a homosexual "marriage" is one sanctified
by Christ? The very idea initially seems shocking. The full answer
comes from other sources about the two men featured, St Serge and St
Bacchus, two Roman soldiers who became Christian martyrs.
While the pairing of saints, particularly in the early Church, was not
unusual, the association of these two men was regarded as particularly
close. Severus of Antioch in the sixth century explained that "we
should not separate in speech [Serge and Bacchus] who were joined in
life". More bluntly, in the definitive 10th century Greek account of
their lives, St Serge is openly described as the "sweet companion and
lover" of St Bacchus.
In other words, it confirms what the earlier icon implies, that they
were a homosexual couple. Unusually their orientation and relationship
was openly accepted by early Christian writers. Furthermore, in an
image that to some modern Christian eyes might border on blasphemy,
the icon has Christ himself as their pronubus, their best man
overseeing their "marriage".
The very idea of a Christian homosexual marriage seems incredible. Yet
after a 12-year search of Catholic and Orthodox church archives Yale
history professor John Boswell has discovered that a type of Christian
homosexual "marriage" did exist as late as the 18th century.
...
It>s an oxymoron, no such thing
[/quote]
History says otherwise.
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John Galt
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: Rightwingers lying about UAW wages |
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Video61@tcq.net wrote:
[quote]On Nov 30, 9:46 pm, John Galt <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
Vide...@tcq.net wrote:
On Nov 30, 6:11 pm, John Galt <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
Vide...@tcq.net wrote:
On Nov 30, 3:45 pm, John Galt <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
the problem with fundamentalists, is that they see only what they
want to see. and deny everything that does not fit into their
indoctrination.
Yes, Vid, you describe yourself with great precision.
Ever try thinking out of the box?
of course, its why i just posted to you the truth about freidman and
honk kong, yet you deflected my post with a rather small little
response.
No deflection. It>s simply not germane. An error in a scholar>s opus of
work does not negate the entire opus. (Put another way, if a scholar>s
work had to be perfect in order to be credible, we>d have no credible
scholars.)
Hong Kong is an interesting laboratory, but it>s hardly a panacea for
any particular ideology. It has low taxes, flat taxes, a low rich/poor
divide, and a small population which for decades been walking distance
from what was a dysfunctional economy. It>s hard for your economy to NOT
function well when you have a vacuum behind Shenzen sucking all your
output, and then some.
I try to go to Hong Kong a couple of times a year. It>s a great place,
but if your article is arguing (as it seems to be) that economically
speaking, it>s kind of like Disneyland, I agree. The Hong Kong economic
system wouldn>t scale to either substantially larger populations OR
substantially larger land masses, and may in fact not be maintainable
going forward, as it has the lowest fertility rate in the world.
From the "Galt" standpoint, though, it>s a place that a retiree can
live and in comfort, free from taxation, should the retiree>s home
country devolve into confiscatory taxation due to that country>s
irresponsible budgeting practices.
And as such, makes "Somalia" a canard.
JG
really, you think that the fascists that run china are going to let
you off the hook with your ill gotten gains.you are more gullible
than i thought.
Geez, with you it>s just jumping from one box to the next without
thinking in between.
hey, its your plan, not mine. i am simply pointing out to you that
dictatorships, totalitarians, and fascists are not honorable people
whom you can trust. ask europes wealthy how well it went for them
after they backed hitler and mussolini:)
[/quote]
Obviously. If you want to live your live with zero risk and zero money,
there>s always Sweden. (Of course, with zero money, you have little
opportunity to exercise that liberty that exists on paper, but not in
practice. My brother in law retired from Volvo after 25 years on the
line for a rotten $400 a month, subsidized expenses, and health care.
He>s perfectly comfortable, as long as he never leaves Gotenborg. Not my
cup of tea.)
[quote]
Listen carefully: IT DOESN"T FUCKING MATTER WHAT THE CHINESE DO IN HONG
KONG. If I decide to retire there, I go there for the sake of liberty;
my my, we are ignorant aren>t we.
[/quote]
One of us is; we differ on who we think it is.
[quote]
if the conditions on the ground change, I JUST GO SOMEPLACE ELSE.
yes, i am sure many thought that in fascist europe, but, a few were
able to escape europe with just the cloths on their backs. some may
even have backed the fascists, or thought they could live with them.
liberty under dictatorship is a oxymoron.
[/quote]
If the risk from the Chinese is so high, maybe you statists should be
borrowing so much money from them, then. Since the creditor always has
some level of control over the debtor, obviously the statist politicos
are not as worried about the matter as you are.
[quote]in america you pay your fair share decided by democratically elected
representatives.
[/quote]
You pay a share that is decided by democratically elected
representatives. However, since we live in a free country where everyone
is entitled to their opinion as to what "fair" means, that share may in
fact NOT be considered "fair" by some.
in a dictatorship, you find out where you stand one
[quote]day, maybe even late at night when you are sleeping, quite quickly.
then the cloths on your back look pretty good, because everything is
long gone.
Yes, that has happened in the past. Fortunately, one can now easily[/quote]
spread one>s risk around by using multiple banks in multiple countries.
[quote]There
are plenty of places that can provide a nice standard of living along
with liberty. Not a problem. I know how to find them.
great, more power to you. obtw, keep the plane warmed up:)
right now in russia, putin is throwing the wealthy to the loins. in
china, they have just arrested their first oligarch. in america, all
you have to do is pay your fair share.
As long as I get to define what "fair" means, I>m all good with that.
yes, dictators have never been known to move the goal posts when it
suits them:)
[/quote]
Exactly. The statists always decide that "fair" means enough money to
supply all the programs necessary to buy all the votes needed to stay in
power, and that it>s a shirking of one>s civic responsibility to
disagree. You heard that line straight out of Biden>s mouth during the
campaign, not to anyone>s real surprise.
..
[quote]
somalia is still your best bet.
It>s till a canard. It just kills you that people have the ability
determine what>s right for themselves without Big Brother, doesn>t it?
hey, dictatorships are so free. its not that it kills me. its
speaking with someone so ignorant, greedy, and selfish, thats its
fascinating.
[/quote]
Unfortunately for you, it>s just the reverse, bubba.
The most important responsibility I have is to my family. That
responsibility requires that I insure their well-being, provide for
their current needs, provide for the future needs of my spouse, provide
for the education of my children, provide them with a few bucks in
inheritance on my repose, and generally make sure that they>re set up to
be self-sufficient in life.
True patriots know that they love their country and support it because
they believe that it must continue in order to provide the best life
possible for the aforementioned family to live.
THUS, out of said patriotism, one opposes both foreign threats to the
prosperity of the nation (because that impacts the prosperity of the
family), AND misguided public policies that are potential threats to
that prosperity.
Now, if the nation determines to take on policies that run up massive
amounts of debt in order to fight foreign wars and maintain hegemonic
control over foreign regions and prevent corporations which are in the
process of failing to fail, what happens to the chances that the
individual, family, or nation, in the future, will prosper?
Answer -- the chances that they prosper diminish. And, out of
responsibility, one must consider the possibility that the best
opportunities for prosperity are elsewhere.
i love history, and guys like you are the closet thing i
[quote]have besides reading, as to the type that backed the central european
fascists. you almost are word for word what i have read about the
wealthy in europe before the war.
[/quote]
Hate to burn your straw man, but I>m not wealthy.
But, since you love history, consider that your constant defense of
statism sound much like the rationalizations of the royalists durin g
the American Revolution.
The money for these bailouts isn>t coming from us -- it>s coming from
our children. A more blatant example of "taxation without
representation" would be hard to find; and one would not be surprised,
in the future, to see many of the children that we are now encumbering
with debt to look at the tens of thousands of dollars they each owe to
pay back the largesses of their parents, and the confiscatory taxation
that will someday be required to pay it back, and decide to simply leave
it behind by emigrating elsewhere.
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John Galt
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Rightwingers lying about UAW wages |
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Video61@tcq.net wrote:
[quote]On Nov 28, 6:57 pm, John Galt <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
Vide...@tcq.net wrote:
On Nov 28, 1:51 pm, Stan de SD <StanD...@gmail.com> wrote:
Note the considerable pressure for the auto industry bailout from the
unions. The fact that their pension liabilities are crippling the US
automaker>s ability to compete doesn>t seem to register any
acknowledgement of culpability in the current debacle. They will just
line of for their share of the bailot loot. You can thank BOTH major
political parties for enabling the entitlement mentality among the
population at large... :O|
how can one person be so stupid, its almost impossible not to see
that this is hitting all car makers world wide.
True, but you>re ignoring SCOPE:
Toyota: Forward estimates $3.47 per share
Honda: Forward estimates $2.24 per share
Nissan: Forward estimates $.52 per share
Daimler: Forward estimates $4.74 per share
Tata Motors: Forward estimates $1.23 per share
General Motors: Forward estimates $17.27 LOSS per share
Ford: Forward estimates $2.35 LOSS per share
JG
tsk tsk, don>t count them chickens yet. it looks like there is going
to be rain today on someones parade:)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=aAA6mmucumTA
Toyota, Nissan Lead Biggest Drop in Japan Car Sales in 34 Years
By Makiko Kitamura
Dec. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Toyota Motor Corp. and Nissan Motor Co. led the
biggest drop Japan>s auto sales in 34 years as the country>s recession
cut wages.
Sales of cars, trucks and buses, excluding minicars, fell 27 percent
to 215,783 vehicles in November, the Tokyo-based Japan Automobile
Dealers Association said in a statement today. Toyota Motor Corp.,
Japan>s largest automaker, sold 106,342 vehicles excluding the Lexus
brand, down 28 percent. Sales at Nissan Motor Co., the country>s third-
biggest, fell 30 percent to 30,134.
Japan>s automakers have slashed their earnings forecasts for this
fiscal year as declining wages and tight credit curb consumer
spending. Wages in the world>s second-largest economy dropped for the
first time this year in October as companies cut overtime payments by
the most in more than six years.
``If income and wealth don>t rise, consumption won>t either,'' said
Mitsuo Shimizu, a Tokyo-based analyst at Cosmo Securities Co. ``Large
purchases like cars are particularly vulnerable.''
Prime Minister Taro Aso announced a 5 trillion yen ($52.5 billion)
stimulus package in October to boost consumer spending and the Bank of
Japan cut the benchmark rate to 0.3 percent to encourage lending.
``The financial crisis is exacerbating already low consumer
sentiment,'' JADA said in a statement, adding that car sales for the
year may be the lowest since 1974.
Toyota shares lost 1.8 percent to 2,945 yen at the close of trading in
Tokyo. Nissan slumped 2.8 percent and Honda Motor Co. declined 2.9
percent.
Firing Workers
Honda>s sales dropped 22 percent to 29,448 vehicles last month. Mazda
Motor Corp.'s fell 33 percent to 9,699 vehicles.
Japanese companies plan to fire about 30,000 temporary and part-time
workers before the end of the business year in March, the Labor
Ministry said last week. Toyota will cut its domestic temporary
workforce by 3,000 jobs, or 50 percent, by the end of March.
Monthly wages, including overtime and bonuses, fell 0.1 percent to
274,751 yen ($2,876) from a year earlier, the Labor Ministry said in
Tokyo today.
Credit is also tightening. Three-month commercial-paper rates for
Japanese companies with the highest credit rankings were at 1.2
percent, compared with a 0.49 percent yield on similar-duration
government bills, according to Tokyo Tanshi Co.
The drop in domestic demand echoes a sales slump in the U.S., the most
profitable market for Japan>s carmakers. In October, Toyota>s sales in
the world>s largest car market dropped 23 percent. Nissan>s plunged 33
percent and Honda has a 25 percent drop.
To contact the reporter on this story: Makiko Kitamura in Tokyo at
mkitamura1@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: December 1, 2008 01:02 EST
OBTW, here is a very important statement in the above article, and it
backs me to the hilt. if you do not understand it, get back to me, and
i will try to explain it to you again:)
``If income and wealth don>t rise, consumption won>t either,"
[/quote]
Sounds pretty obvious to me. It>s generally hard to buy things without
money, and we>re definitely going into a cycle where income and wealth
will collapse to a sustainable level, and production will have to adapt
to a "new normal."
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Phil
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[quote]
"Phil" <faas@mindspring.com> wrote in
There needs to be some form of assistance for parents of severely
handicapped children but NOT from social security. This actually
should be handled by a local agency instead of the bureaucratic
nightmare of the federal government. The larger the government gets,
the worse of a job it does.
I agree, nothing worse than letting the bean counters run the show!
Taxing those who chose to remain childless to pay for things like
daycare for those who chose to breed is unfair. Only those who chose
to bring children into the world should be paying the costs of
children.
Breeding future tax payers is what the country needs, else you have to
bring in bodies to replenish the population from 3rd world countries
and we know that>s not a good idea. Who is going to pay taxes, clean
your clothes and clean your shit when you>re too old to take care of
yourself?
[/quote]
I disagree from the standpoint that we need so many taxes in the first
place. "Family" should be the first place to look for help, the way it
was before liberals decided to tax everyone and let the federal
government decide who is worthy and the way some countries still
operate. The taxes we pay are more than enough for a federal government
with a balanced budget. The problem is that so many want the government
to be the 'end all' for all problems and even uncomfortable situations
that they keep demanding more and more "agencies", bureaus, laws, rules
and regulations that cost billion$ but do damned little about whatever
was the problem in the first place.
The larger the government gets, and it is every growing, the worse it
does and the more it costs to do less.
Phil #3
[quote]
Thirdly, the government is the best place to screw up anything.
Yes, we can all see that thru the present Child Support system,
Veterans Administration anda host of other government services that
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Phil
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: SSI ? |
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"Michael Coburn" <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote in message
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[quote]On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:31:10 +0100, Dusty wrote:
Coffee>s For Closers wrote:
In article <gZzXk.8139$c45.1208@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com>,
DeeBee@netscape.net says...
"Phil" <faas@mindspring.com> wrote in
Taxing those who chose to remain childless to pay for things like
daycare for those who chose to breed is unfair. Only those who
chose
to bring children into the world should be paying the costs of
children.
I wonder when this stupidity will end? While I agree that people who
cannot care for their children should be disabused of procreation, I
am
not so brain dead as to claim that children are the only hope I will
ever
have of retirement. And if they remain uncared for and uneducated
then
my retirement isn>t going to be very prosperous. It makes no
difference
whether they are _my_ children or the children of someone else.
The other thing that really gets up my nose is that the same people
who
whine about the cost of children are the same Reich wingers who would
force women to carry a fetus till birth. These are the same Reich
Wing
nimrods who insist that the inheritance that is bestowed upon them
through the luck of proper parents is somehow an earning on their
part.
Let me give you a glimpse of justice/pragmatism as opposed to "winged"
idiotology:
The cost of pregnancy and child birth should be born by the parents in
total. The cost of child care in all its forms including health care
should be born by the parents until the child is totally viable. At
that
point the child is a person and a ward of the state as regards health
care and education until the "person" dies.
If the rules described heretofore result in abortion or in debtors
prisons and child sanctuaries for those who chose that route then so
be
it. Having children is a choice. It is not up to me to pay for your
choices. But the child is blameless and the child is an investment in
my
own future. No child CHOSE to be born.
Pragmatism. (is that an idiotology?)
[/quote]
First problem is that women are not forced to carry a fetus and even if
abortion on demand were outlawed, they still would not be. These women
*volunteered* by engaging in an act that is known to cause pregnancy.
Unless one is ready, willing and able to allow men to have the same
ability to forego parenthood as women currently have,
abortion-as-birth-control is sexist and therefore inherently
unconstitutional on the basis of equality before the law, without going
into how morally reprehensible killing one>s offspring for convenience
is to start with.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: SSI ? |
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"DB" <DeeBee@netscape.net> wrote in message
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"Chris" <reddd@juno.com> wrote in message
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"Carmen D" <DIAZCCC@webtv.net> wrote in message
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MY MENTALLY RETARDED 10 YEAR OLD SON RECEIVES SSI AND JUST THIS
MONTH I
GOT A LETTER FROM SOCIAL SECURITY THAT HIS PAYMENT FOR DECEMBER
WOULD BE
REDUCED 80 DOLLARS DUE TO AN ADVANCED CHILD SUPPORT PAYMENT I
RECEIVED
FROM HIS DAD A MONTH EARLY BECAUSE HIS DAD WAS GOING ON VACATION.
MY
QUESTION? WILL MY SONS FUTURE PAYMENTS GO BACK TO THE NORMAL
PAYMENT?
Why don>t you ask THEM?
Anyway, it really shouldn>t matter because regardless of how much
money you get, either way it>s all FREE!
Chris, if you had any notion of how much money, time and energy it
takes to look after a handicapped child, you wouldn>t be so quick to
criticize her.
This country needs a decent health care program so that $80 is not a
major concern for struggling families!
How about daycare support for working parents too that a can>t
afford the staggering costs of private daycare centers?
There needs to be some form of assistance for parents of severely
handicapped children but NOT from social security. This actually
should be handled by a local agency instead of the bureaucratic
nightmare of the federal government. The larger the government gets,
the worse of a job it does.
No problem with such government agency so long as it operates on a
voluntary basis. Anyone who wants to participate can do so, and those
who don>t will have the right to not do so. Not unlike any other
insurance operation.
Taxing those who chose to remain childless to pay for things like
daycare for those who chose to breed is unfair. Only those who chose
to bring children into the world should be paying the costs of
children. Thirdly, the government is the best place to screw up
anything. If anyone thinks the health care in the US is bad now, just
let the government have control of it for a few years. $300 hammers
will be nothing compared to the cost of medical supplies and
equipment after the government gets through with it plus the idea is
that if the gov>t is paying for your medical treatment, it>ll also
demand you endure their choices of lifestyle, treatment, physicians
and medications, perhaps even where one lives and/or works, etc., or
no health benefit for failing to follow the gov>t>s mandate... "for
your own good", of course.
Phil #3
You forgot one thing, the government people also have to get THEIR cut
for managing your personal medical care. I don>t know about anyone
else, but I prefer to eliminate paying some middle man when it comes
to my healthcare. Believe it or not, it>s actually cheaper.
[/quote]
I also do not want the government to dictate my lifestyle under the
guise of controlling "healthcare costs".
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Jerry Okamura
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"freedomtofascism.com >>" <<<truth@r.us> wrote in message
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[quote]On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:30:43 -0500, "HVAC" <harlowcampbell@gmail.com
wrote:
"*_//!!_//!!*" <*TheHolyGhost*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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How on God>s Earth do people think they>re going to resolve anything by
going around
shooting everybody up or to pieces. They only end up dead themselves.
Save yourself
the trouble...Idiots!
First of all, you are psychologically unstable. I hope that you understand
that.
I mean really, really unstable. No joke. But you>ve been told that before,
haven>t you?
Killing the world>s population in order to support a handful of parasites
and their fiat money scam is definitely mentally unstable. Especially
considering they *also* killed any scientific advancement which would
improve the quality of life for the human race, ie free energy.
[/quote]
Think about this. Let us say that the gloom and doomers who have for
decades said that someday in the future, the world will not be able to
produce enough food to feed the population of the world. What does that
really mean? Does that mean that countries like the United States would not
be able to feed their growing population. Not very likely. It means that
those countries who cannot produce enough food for their existing
population, would be in even worse shape at some point, as their population
continues to increase. At the current time, these countries who do not
produce enough food for their own population, can depend on the fact that
countries like the United States which produces more food that their people
need, will "help" these countries to make up that shortage in those
countries. But what will happen if the population continues to increase and
gets to the point that countries like the United States, even with its
abudnance cannot provide enough food to those countries who do not produce
enough of their own food. Would the United States, help those people out,
if it meant that the people of the United States would suffer greatly if
they did continue to help these other countries out? The answer is not very
likely. You are willing to help other people, "if" it has little impact on
your own people. So, the odds are that this would be a self correcting
problem. There is not enough food to feed the population of the world.
People will start to die, until you reach equilibrium once again, i.e. there
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"freedomtofascism.com >>" <<<truth@r.us> wrote in message
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[quote]On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:11:58 -0500, freedomtofascism.com <<<truth@r.us
wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:30:43 -0500, "HVAC" <harlowcampbell@gmail.com
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"*_//!!_//!!*" <*TheHolyGhost*@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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How on God>s Earth do people think they>re going to resolve anything by
going around
shooting everybody up or to pieces. They only end up dead themselves.
Save yourself
the trouble...Idiots!
First of all, you are psychologically unstable. I hope that you
understand
that.
I mean really, really unstable. No joke. But you>ve been told that
before,
haven>t you?
Killing the world>s population in order to support a handful of parasites
and their fiat money scam is definitely mentally unstable. Especially
considering they *also* killed any scientific advancement which would
improve the quality of life for the human race, ie free energy.
It is called survival of the fittest.....[/quote] |
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"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) NO FACTS Support RRR Cult>s Hate-Agendas! "
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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[quote]On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:25:23 -0500,
"Buerste" <Buerste@att.com> wrote:
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) NO FACTS Support RRR Cult>s
Hate-Agendas! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Buerste" <Buerste@att.com> wrote:
"mike532" <littlemike532@gmail.com> wrote:
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <xanadu2...@mchsi.com> wrote:
What a NEAT and Generous Christmas Present!!
THANKS, Planned Parenthood!!
Planned Parenthood... the network of 35 clinics across [Indiana]
announced it is offering holiday vouchers for basic health care
services "for the recipient>s choice of birth control method."
The organization decided to offer the vouchers because so many
people are uninsured or are putting off health care because of
prohibitive costs, said Betty Cockrum, president and CEO of Planned
Parenthood of Indiana. Nearly 800,000 Indiana residents don>t have
health insurance, she said.
Planned Parenthood>s annual exams for women, which include Pap
tests and breast exams, typically cost $58. The vouchers can be used
for the exams, but also for insurance copays and for medication.
How GENEROUS and CREATIVE!!
GOOD for Planned Parenthood!!
I hope they extend that offer to cover the entire nation!!
I agree. What better gift could you give someone than good health
!
How about NOT murdering them in the womb? Now, there>s a better
gift!
Of course, since NO such thing is even POSSIBLE, since only mere RPEs
are found in wombs, and NEVER people -- NO problem!
So Mike was right. A wonderful gift!
And considering that only UNwanted pregnancies are aborted by girls
and women having NO desire to gestate them, that puts those WORTHLESS
RPEs on the same level as the*quadrillion* Stage One RPES that *men*
electively abort DAILY, worldwide. Human, living, but only *potential*
people.
And only hateful DOLTS would seek to se ANY girls or women FORCED
to gestated UNwanted pregnancies to term against their will -- a very
real, 9-month-long form of RAPE.
People have the free will to do whatever they want. Terrorists have
the
free will to kill innocent people and they justify it by adopting a value
system that condones it.
It>s FUN to watch bigots making total FOOLS of themselves by changing
the subject to totally unrelated topics that have ZERO relevance to the
discussion, once they>ve been proven to be MORONS with respect to the
ACTUAL topic at hand.
THANKS for the comedy relief!
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I am equally amused to see how people support an racist organization that
targets blacks and solicits money from racist whites. 40,000,000 abortions
in the US and you think that>s just wonderful. Your posts have always
reflected your lack of any morals. That>s your free will, enjoy the
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Raymond
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject: Re: Bush>s Year Long (And Still Counting) Recession |
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On Dec 1, 5:49 pm, mordacpreven...@hotmail.com wrote:
[quote]On Dec 1, 11:16 am, "W.B. Yeats" <slipuva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry, but it>s the Great Bush Depression, and it won>t end for at
least 5 years.
Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman said it won>t be as bad as
the great depression, but it will seem like it.
[/quote]
RE: Sorry, but it>s the Great Bush Depression, and it won>t end for at
least 5 years.
Is the Bush administration responsible for the current economic melt
down? You betcha.
WASHINGTON – The Bush administration backed off proposed crackdowns on
no-money-down, interest-only mortgages years before the economy
collapsed, buckling to pressure from some of the same banks that have
now failed. It ignored remarkably prescient warnings that foretold the
financial meltdown, according to an Associated Press review of
regulatory documents.
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Clay
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:58 am Post subject: Re: Full Page Add Running Today Obama can not be president |
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, "My Favorite Changeling" <Kook>:
[quote]"Clay" <ClaysRight@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 1, 12:56 pm, "My Favorite Changeling" <Kook>:
...
"Clay" <ClaysRi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 1, 12:35 pm, "My Favorite Changeling" <Kook>:
"Clay" <ClaysRi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 1, 12:09 pm, Matt wrote:
On Dec 1, 10:04 am, Clay <ClaysRi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 1, 11:53 am, Matt wrote:
...
On Dec 1, 9:49 am, Clay <c...@claymail.com> wrote:
On Dec 1, 9:44 am, just another moron wrote:
This full page add is running all across America today. Obama
caanot be
sworn in as president
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/misc2008/ChicagoTribune-O...
Which newspapers is this "full page ad" in?
Allegedly, and hopefully with better spelling, the Chicago
Tribune.
Nah... IMHO, the spelling is exactly what it should be.
*snicker*
Can you name 5?
Seems doubtful, that would be expensive.
Is there a way to see ads (like this supposed one) that run in any
given newspaper via the Internet?
Unless it happens to be covered by the news, not that I know of. Seems
odd,
when you think about it, you>d think it would be *easy* to find ads
running in
newspapers, that would make it easier to find them. Of course, that
would make
too much sense...
I thought a site like "PR Newswire" would have it, but it doesn>t look
like it does. Either that or one would have to be a subscriber to
access that information.
-C-
It>s not that important.
Small concerns for very small minds.
-C-
Like you Bush worshippers.
When GWBush is no longer POTUS, you will have nothing left to live
for, junior.
Is your gun clean, well oiled and loaded?
Too fucking funny.
-C-
No wonder your family calls you the "asshole", Clay Aiken.
[/quote]
KOO-KOO, KOO-KOO, KOO-KOO
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Clay
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:06 am Post subject: Re: Palin, Ludacris campaign in Ga.'s US Senate runoff |
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, "My Favorite Changeling Idiot" <Kook>:
[quote]"Clay" <clays0nline@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 1, 11:06 am, Homo, the uneducated & ignorant Kev wrote:
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bushlyed wrote:
Palin, Ludacris campaign in Ga.'s US Senate runoff
AUGUSTA, Ga. Georgia>s hotly contested U.S. Senate runoff is
entering its final day of campaigning.
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is set to headline four rallies around the
state Monday with Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss.
Democrat Jim Martin is scheduled to stump with Rep. John Lewis and
other prominent Georgia Democrats. Martin will end the day with a
rally at the state Capitol with Atlanta rapper Ludacris (LEW' duh-
criss).
The Georgia visit will mark Palin>s first foray back onto the campaign
trail since her failed bid for the vice presidency. She was the big
draw at a pair of high-dollar fundraisers for Chambliss at an Atlanta
hotel Sunday night.
Tuesday>s runoff will help determine if Democrats win a 60-seat,
filibuster-proof majority in the U.S. Senate.
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Palin, Ludacris
Isn>t that redundant?
My wife and I already voted for Jim Martin, if we had known that Palin
was coming we would have voted twice for Martin.
Since Obama will not be on the top of the ticket, I see a clear win
for Saxby Chambliss tomorrow. This will be a good thing in that there
will not be a filibuster-proof senate.
Checks and balances are always good things.
-C-
Then you>ll be claiming the Dems are incapable of running America like the
republican Taliban you listen to on the radio.
[/quote]
In the new year, I>m hoping that you>ll begin to make some sense,
junior.
Too fucking funny.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:27 am Post subject: Re: Rightwingers lying about UAW wages |
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On Dec 1, 9:19 am, John Galt <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Vide...@tcq.net wrote:
On Nov 28, 6:57 pm, John Galt <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
Vide...@tcq.net wrote:
On Nov 28, 1:51 pm, Stan de SD <StanD...@gmail.com> wrote:
Note the considerable pressure for the auto industry bailout from the
unions. The fact that their pension liabilities are crippling the US
automaker>s ability to compete doesn>t seem to register any
acknowledgement of culpability in the current debacle. They will just
line of for their share of the bailot loot. You can thank BOTH major
political parties for enabling the entitlement mentality among the
population at large... :O|
how can one person be so stupid, its almost impossible not to see
that this is hitting all car makers world wide.
True, but you>re ignoring SCOPE:
Toyota: Forward estimates $3.47 per share
Honda: Forward estimates $2.24 per share
Nissan: Forward estimates $.52 per share
Daimler: Forward estimates $4.74 per share
Tata Motors: Forward estimates $1.23 per share
General Motors: Forward estimates $17.27 LOSS per share
Ford: Forward estimates $2.35 LOSS per share
JG
tsk tsk, don>t count them chickens yet. it looks like there is going
to be rain today on someones parade:)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=aAA6mmucumTA
Toyota, Nissan Lead Biggest Drop in Japan Car Sales in 34 Years
By Makiko Kitamura
Dec. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Toyota Motor Corp. and Nissan Motor Co. led the
biggest drop Japan>s auto sales in 34 years as the country>s recession
cut wages.
Sales of cars, trucks and buses, excluding minicars, fell 27 percent
to 215,783 vehicles in November, the Tokyo-based Japan Automobile
Dealers Association said in a statement today. Toyota Motor Corp.,
Japan>s largest automaker, sold 106,342 vehicles excluding the Lexus
brand, down 28 percent. Sales at Nissan Motor Co., the country>s third-
biggest, fell 30 percent to 30,134.
Japan>s automakers have slashed their earnings forecasts for this
fiscal year as declining wages and tight credit curb consumer
spending. Wages in the world>s second-largest economy dropped for the
first time this year in October as companies cut overtime payments by
the most in more than six years.
``If income and wealth don>t rise, consumption won>t either,'' said
Mitsuo Shimizu, a Tokyo-based analyst at Cosmo Securities Co. ``Large
purchases like cars are particularly vulnerable.''
Prime Minister Taro Aso announced a 5 trillion yen ($52.5 billion)
stimulus package in October to boost consumer spending and the Bank of
Japan cut the benchmark rate to 0.3 percent to encourage lending.
``The financial crisis is exacerbating already low consumer
sentiment,'' JADA said in a statement, adding that car sales for the
year may be the lowest since 1974.
Toyota shares lost 1.8 percent to 2,945 yen at the close of trading in
Tokyo. Nissan slumped 2.8 percent and Honda Motor Co. declined 2.9
percent.
Firing Workers
Honda>s sales dropped 22 percent to 29,448 vehicles last month. Mazda
Motor Corp.'s fell 33 percent to 9,699 vehicles.
Japanese companies plan to fire about 30,000 temporary and part-time
workers before the end of the business year in March, the Labor
Ministry said last week. Toyota will cut its domestic temporary
workforce by 3,000 jobs, or 50 percent, by the end of March.
Monthly wages, including overtime and bonuses, fell 0.1 percent to
274,751 yen ($2,876) from a year earlier, the Labor Ministry said in
Tokyo today.
Credit is also tightening. Three-month commercial-paper rates for
Japanese companies with the highest credit rankings were at 1.2
percent, compared with a 0.49 percent yield on similar-duration
government bills, according to Tokyo Tanshi Co.
The drop in domestic demand echoes a sales slump in the U.S., the most
profitable market for Japan>s carmakers. In October, Toyota>s sales in
the world>s largest car market dropped 23 percent. Nissan>s plunged 33
percent and Honda has a 25 percent drop.
To contact the reporter on this story: Makiko Kitamura in Tokyo at
mkitamu...@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: December 1, 2008 01:02 EST
OBTW, here is a very important statement in the above article, and it
backs me to the hilt. if you do not understand it, get back to me, and
i will try to explain it to you again:)
``If income and wealth don>t rise, consumption won>t either,"
Sounds pretty obvious to me. It>s generally hard to buy things without
money, and we>re definitely going into a cycle where income and wealth
will collapse to a sustainable level, and production will have to adapt
to a "new normal."
JG
[/quote]
snicker, there is that word "DEMAND" again.
South Korean car makers are cutting output in response to the drop in
demand.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aLL.megKH54g&refer=home
Hyundai, Kia Fall After Korean Carmakers' Sales Slump (Update1)
By Seonjin Cha
Dec. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Hyundai Motor Co. and Kia Motors Corp. South
Korea>s two-largest automakers, fell in Seoul trading after
industrywide domestic sales slumped to the lowest in more than three
years in November.
Hyundai fell as much as 8.3 percent to 37,600 won and traded 6.6
percent lower at 38,300 won as of 9:16 a.m. in Seoul trading, compared
with Kospi index>s 4.1 percent decline. Kia, an affiliate of Hyundai,
dropped 7.7 percent to 6,250 won.
Hyundai, Kia and three other South Korean automakers sold 74,217
vehicles domestically last month, the lowest monthly tally since
February 2005, as banks reduced car loans. Including exports, November
sales at the five carmakers declined 8.6 percent from a year earlier,
according to companies' data.
``It>s not going to get any better,'' Choi Dae Sik, a Seoul-based
analyst at HI Investment & Securities Co. wrote in a report today.
``Domestic sales next year will likely fall to the lowest since the
1998 Asian financial crisis and exports may also fall further.''
South Korean carmakers are cutting output in response to the drop in
demand. Hyundai will slash production by 20,000 vehicles this month,
about 13 percent of its monthly domestic output, company spokesman
Jake Jang said yesterday.
Renault Samsung Motors Co., a South Korean unit of Renault SA, will
shut down its plant for five working days from Dec. 24 for maintenance
work. Ssangyong Motor Co. is also reviewing a plan to close plants
from Dec. 17 until the end of the month after it decided to cut
benefits to employees temporarily and lower executive salaries, the
carmakers said yesterday. GM Daewoo Auto & Technology Co., a unit of
General Motors Corp., is idling its domestic factory for as long as a
month starting December.
Ssangyong, 51 percent owned by China>s SAIC Motor Corp., slid 6.4
percent to 955 won.
To contact the reporter on this story: Seonjin Cha in Seoul at
scha2@bloomberg.net
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Not to worry, it>s the inevitable trend of history, according to Karl
Marx.
China is coming out from almost a century of depression, while
America and some of the well-governed oil rich states are on their
way
towards Communist Paradise; that>s why people seem to
be behaving in a different manner or exhibit different values; they>re
just
reacting quite rationally to different economic conditions. Put a
Chinaman on American soil and pretty soon, he will walk like one,
look like one and talk like one.
Anyway, why complain if someone volunteers to subsidize your
standard of living? Be grateful while it lasts, before they and the
Indians
shift their trust to the god of wealth (Tibetan Dzambhala/Hindu
Kubera).
Kubera mantra:
Om yakshaya Kuberaya Vaishravanaaya
Dhana Dhanyathi Pathayae
Dhana Dhanya Samruthime
Dehi Tapaya swaha!
===================================================On Dec 2, 5:47 am, d...@noospam.com (d.) wrote:
[quote]
It WILL happen, it has to. It will take time though. In our instant
gratification society, that may be hard to comprehend for some folks.
And it will be like water torture for them.
===================================================> > raylopez99 <raylope...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, miner, it>s called "Keynesian Economics". Spend your way to
prosperity. America, the most powerful nation ever, has a negative
savings rate. That>s real prosperity.
The irony is that Asia, since it slavishly follows America, has a very
high savings rate but still cannot decouple itself from the US
recession. So they saved money and still will be unemployed. At
least by spending you can enjoy yourself before the crash. Of course
the long term solution is for the US to save more and Asia to spend
more, but that>s in an ideal world.
RL
====================================================> >On Dec 1, 1:13=A0pm, "Teece" <tom_cip_11...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Come on now. Is this the best that they can do?
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:39 am Post subject: Re: Loony tune Obama lawsuits - The justices are unlikely to |
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2008, wrote:
[quote]Clay wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008, "Bill Bonde wrote:
Clay wrote:
On Nov 30, 7:13 pm, "Bill Bonde wrote:
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Clay wrote:
On Nov 30, 4:26 pm, it isn>t often, so I really (and I mean really)
wanted to agree with milt.shook for once:
...
On Dec 1, 6:42 am, the erstwhile pissant, BikeFan wrote:
Bill Bonde { Remember, Remember, to Vote on the 5th of November ) wrote:
RichTravsky wrote:
"Bill Bonde { Remember, Remember, to Vote on the 5th of November )" wrote:
Johnny Asia wrote:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/11/26/1689515.aspx
The justices are unlikely to take up these cases for a host of reasons, not
the least of which is the invitation to overturn the results of an election
in which more than 66 million Americans voted for Obama. An equally high
hurdle is the issue of whether Berg or Donofrio have the legal right to sue
claiming a violation of the Constitution.
In dismissing Berg>s complaint, a federal judge in Pennsylvania found that
he failed to meet the basic test required for sustaining a lawsuit, because
he couldn>t show how the inclusion of Obama>s name on the ballot would cause
him -- apart from others -- some particular harm
Do you agree with that? No standing if you can>t show you were hurt
more than others? Like if they nuked your town and everyone was a
walking radioactive zombie, no one can sue because everyone was
equally effected.
Under American law - perhaps your British legal system allows otherwise -
you just can>t make unsubtantiated claims like that.
Lacking standing doesn>t mean "unsubstantiated", you stupid idiot.
We all know that the claims are bogus. Its just a legal fishing
expedition funded by the gullible.
Even if they weren>t bogus (they are), you have to be able to
demonstrate personal injury or harm by the actions. They obviously
can>t.
I am not a lawyer, but even I know this much.
milt.shook (wait for it)... is right about this.
1. The claims are not only bogus, they>re laughable. It>s the right-
wing version of the leftist tin-foil-hat CT that the government had
something to do with 9/11.
Oh please, the left wing is *insane*. The idea that Obama could>ve
been born outside the US isn>t insane. It just happens not to be
true.
If "it just happens not to be true", yet many folks are arguing
otherwise is one classic definition of "insane". Just like the
leftists who are still arguing that 9/11 was an "inside job".
True or not, it>s not an insane idea.
You not being logical. If something is true, then it is. If
something is not true, then it isn>t.
Something cannot be both true and not true.
If something is not true and someone is arguing that it is true, then
that person is insane... by definition.
Or they could just be wrong.
[/quote]
Someone saying 1+1=54... is wrong. A quick lesson using two fingers
should clear that up. If that same person, AFTER receiving the
lesson, still insists on believing that 1+1=54... that person is
insane.
By definition.
[quote]Plenty of things exist in that state,
[/quote]
Uhhhh... no, nothing does. There isn>t one thing that exists that is
both true and not true.
[quote]different views are tolerable.
[/quote]
Not for reality. Not for truth.
[quote]You are comparing this to
people who insist that there was no plane that hit the Pentagon.
There is video of the plane. Thousands of people saw the plane.
And you are saying that folks who are saying that Obama was not born
in the USA... when it>s clear that he was... are not insane.
At what point did they become "insane"?
[/quote]
When they began believing in something that does not exist.
By definition.
[quote]Were they insane to wonder?
[/quote]
Wondering if something is true is DIFFERENT than believing same.
"I wonder if man can survive for long periods of time by trying to
breathe water" -- a curious mind that may or may not discover a way to
make that happen.
"I believe that man can survive for long periods of time by trying to
breathe water" -- a damaged mind. IOW, insane.
[quote]Because I don>t think the idea that a father who is a Kenyan and a
mother who lived in Southeast Asia are parents that obviously
produce "natural born American" offspring.
[/quote]
Barack Obama was born on American soil (Hawaii)... and that makes him
eligible to run for POTUS.
It has nothing to do with where his mother or his father was born.
[quote]Here>s a bulletin... they are.
2. Here is where I may get in some trouble... neither Berg nor
Donofrio have any standing b/c they>re simply not high enough up on
the food chain -- so to speak. I>m thinking that the Secy of State
(for that state) and/or the governor would be a good place to start.
Both folks (for all states) are fine with the process and the result.
Why should a state official have standing to sue on a federal
constitutional issue?
Again, I>m not a lawyer... but couldn>t the same person who verifies
the voting result for a state be the same person to sue?
I think the state attorney general certifies the state vote.
Well, I know that this is not true... at least not for all states.
In Florida (remember 2000), it>s the Secy of State. I believe the
same is true in Michigan and Ohio.
It doesn>t really matter because it>s a state official. The issue
isn>t one for state law so does a state court have jurisdiction?
For example, could they sue to keep him off the ballot and use the
constitutional issues?
Why
should he have standing to generally sue on federal constitutional
grounds?
I>ll let someone with more knowledge about the law tackle that one.
I>ve asked these two questions b4 and am just throwing them out
again... for laughs:
1) The 9/11 truthers have "been on the case" for more than 7 years.
Do the "birthright truthers" have the staying power to last that long?
My guess is that they do. But the 9/11ers will be going on for
*centuries*.
I guess... like the "JFK" kooks.
9/11 is definitely like the JFK stuff, even worse because there>s
so much video proving that the basic ideas they express are insane.
It>s the same as the "birthright truther" kooks.
There>s not any video of the birth.
[/quote]
This argument is pure madness.
[quote]What they have is a copy of
what purports to be a birth certificate. Hawaii apparently has
issued a verification, claiming that they have the original.
[/quote]
These kooks are insane.
I always believed that you weren>t insane. Please tell me that I
wasn>t mistaken.
[quote]2) I>m taking off from work on January 20, 2009 and will be watching
television with friends just about all day. Will any one of the
"birthright truthers" do the same?
Why? The world is in economic crisis, you>ve got a job, so you are
going to not work and not help push things forward so you can watch
some TV?
It>s called a "paid day off"... and I>m taking it.
How is it a paid day off? It>s not on the weekend, is it?
You need to come live and experience life in America.
In America, it>s a paid holiday when the president is inaugurated?
[/quote]
If I take that day as a paid day off... yes.
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