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Vince · Guest

I got this today from the NSF
Beg pardon for the Jargon but you just have to read this

The Partnerships for International Research and Education (PIRE) program
seeks to catalyze a higher level of international engagement in the U.S.
science and engineering community by supporting innovative,
international research and education collaborations. The program will
enable U.S. scientists and engineers to establish collaborative
relationships with international colleagues in order to advance new
knowledge and discoveries at the frontiers of science and engineering
and to promote the development of a diverse, globally-engaged U.S.
scientific and engineering workforce. International partnerships are,
and will be, increasingly indispensable in addressing critical science
and engineering problems. As science and engineering discoveries result
more and more from international collaboration, U.S. researchers and
educators must be able to operate effectively in teams comprised of
partners from different nations and cultural backgrounds. The PIRE
program will support bold, forward-looking research whose successful
outcome results from all partners-U.S. and foreign-providing unique
contributions to the research endeavor. It is also intended to
facilitate greater student preparation for and participation in
international research collaboration, and to contribute to the
development of a diverse, globally-engaged U.S. science and engineering
workforce. The program aims to support partnerships that will strengthen
the capacity of institutions, multi-institutional consortia, and
networks to engage in and benefit from international research and
education collaborations.

Proposers are strongly encouraged to develop synergistic collaborations
with a wide range of U.S. academic institutions, including four-year and
two-year institutions, in order to take advantage of complementary
strengths in international research and/or education and broaden the
impact of the proposed PIRE program. They are also encouraged to develop
synergistic linkages with other domestic and international partners that
will enhance the PIRE project, including research laboratories,
professional societies, corporations, institutions of informal learning
(e.g., museums, zoos), etc.

Right , what do they actually want to fund? who knows?
But
The International project on Bioremediation of flammable ethanol stored
in glass bottles looks fundable
Joint Scotland/Ireland/ USA drinking teams

What could be more international or forward looking etc

Vince

Jack Linthicum · Guest

On Nov 25, 2:54 pm, ken...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
[quote]In article <XGVWk.882$QX3....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, fire...@firelaw.us

(Vince) wrote:
Right , what do they actually want to fund? who knows?

I must be retarded, I read that three times and could not get anything
definite out of it except that US scientists should continue what they
have been doing since there were US scientists. Science has always has
been international. What the hell are four and two year institutions,
programs might have made sense. What are synergetic collaborations?
Please tell me this is a CIA scam not a serious academic organisation.

Ken Young
[/quote]
Funny you should mention that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBYkBzylPPc

Guest · Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:54 am Post subject: Re: funding Ustafish

In article <XGVWk.882$QX3.640@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, firelaw@firelaw.us
(Vince) wrote:

[quote]Right , what do they actually want to fund? who knows?
[/quote]
I must be retarded, I read that three times and could not get anything
definite out of it except that US scientists should continue what they
have been doing since there were US scientists. Science has always has
been international. What the hell are four and two year institutions,
programs might have made sense. What are synergetic collaborations?
Please tell me this is a CIA scam not a serious academic organisation.

Ken Young

Vince · Guest

kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
[quote]In article <XGVWk.882$QX3.640@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, firelaw@firelaw.us
(Vince) wrote:

Right , what do they actually want to fund? who knows?

I must be retarded, I read that three times and could not get anything
definite out of it except that US scientists should continue what they
have been doing since there were US scientists. Science has always has
been international. What the hell are four and two year institutions,
programs might have made sense. What are synergetic collaborations?
Please tell me this is a CIA scam not a serious academic organisation.

Ken Young
[/quote]
I had the same reaction

Vince

damarkley · Guest

Vince wrote:
[quote]kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
In article <XGVWk.882$QX3.640@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
firelaw@firelaw.us (Vince) wrote:

Right , what do they actually want to fund? who knows?

I must be retarded, I read that three times and could not get
anything definite out of it except that US scientists should continue
what they have been doing since there were US scientists. Science has
always has been international. What the hell are four and two year
institutions, programs might have made sense. What are synergetic
collaborations? Please tell me this is a CIA scam not a serious
academic organisation.

Ken Young

I had the same reaction

Vince
Me too.[/quote]
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Dennis · Guest

damarkley wrote:

[quote]Vince wrote:
kenney wrote:
(Vince) wrote:

Please tell me this is a CIA scam not a serious
academic organisation.

I had the same reaction

Me too.
[/quote]
Is that a comment on the current state of the CIA?

Dennis

Jack Linthicum · Guest

On Nov 26, 12:57 am, Dennis <tsalagi18NOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]damarkley wrote:
Vince wrote:
kenney wrote:
(Vince) wrote:

Please tell me this is a CIA scam not a serious
academic organisation.

I had the same reaction

Me too.

Is that a comment on the current state of the CIA?

Dennis
[/quote]
Pretty much, the ad gives you to believe that the Clandestine Services
is sort of like the Peace Corps but in suits and cities, rather than
jeans and rural. I have seen some of the CIA>s favorite projects and
they are no more cogent than the original post. Favorite was a bad
picture of a Soviet missile being launched, the company that
"analyzed" presumed the smoke plume was part of the rocket, ie ice
from a cryogenic fuel.

Jack Linthicum · Guest

On Nov 26, 10:35 am, richardcas...@earthlink.net (Richard Casady)
wrote:
[quote]On 26 Nov 2008 05:57:56 GMT, Dennis <tsalagi18NOS...@hotmail.com
wrote:

damarkley wrote:

Vince wrote:
kenney wrote:
(Vince) wrote:

Please tell me this is a CIA scam not a serious
academic organisation.

I had the same reaction

Me too.

Is that a comment on the current state of the CIA?

Remember CIA stands for Caught In Act.

Casady
[/quote]
No, no Cash in Advance

Richard Casady · Guest

On 26 Nov 2008 05:57:56 GMT, Dennis <tsalagi18NOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:

[quote]damarkley wrote:

Vince wrote:
kenney wrote:
(Vince) wrote:

Please tell me this is a CIA scam not a serious
academic organisation.

I had the same reaction

Me too.

Is that a comment on the current state of the CIA?
[/quote]
Remember CIA stands for Caught In Act.

Casady

Dennis · Guest

Jack Linthicum wrote:
[quote]Please tell me this is a CIA scam not a serious
academic organisation.

I had the same reaction

Me too.

Is that a comment on the current state of the CIA?

Pretty much, the ad gives you to believe that the Clandestine Services
is sort of like the Peace Corps but in suits and cities, rather than
jeans and rural. I have seen some of the CIA>s favorite projects and
they are no more cogent than the original post. Favorite was a bad
picture of a Soviet missile being launched, the company that
"analyzed" presumed the smoke plume was part of the rocket, ie ice
from a cryogenic fuel.
[/quote]
You mean that the smoke plume was a part of the metallic body, so
they thought it was a lot larger than it really was? If so, their
spectroscopy *really* sucks.

I read *Legacy of Ashes* (can>t think of author>s name.) There was
a lot of really interesting info, but the author was so unrelentingly
negative, it made the book kind of hard to take seriously.

The two most interesting ideas were 1) John McCone was the real
hero of the Cuban Missile Crisis, though the Kennedy brothers didn>t want
to admit it, and 2) George Tenet was the real villain of the Iraq War.

At the end, it sounds like the CIA has been almost completely
gutted, and any real work will be done by contractors, who are very often
former CIA employees.

Dennis

Jack Linthicum · Guest

On Nov 27, 1:58 am, Dennis <tsalagi18NOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Jack Linthicum wrote:
Please tell me this is a CIA scam not a serious
academic organisation.

I had the same reaction

Me too.

Is that a comment on the current state of the CIA?

Pretty much, the ad gives you to believe that the Clandestine Services
is sort of like the Peace Corps but in suits and cities, rather than
jeans and rural. I have seen some of the CIA>s favorite projects and
they are no more cogent than the original post. Favorite was a bad
picture of a Soviet missile being launched, the company that
"analyzed" presumed the smoke plume was part of the rocket, ie ice
from a cryogenic fuel.

You mean that the smoke plume was a part of the metallic body, so
they thought it was a lot larger than it really was? If so, their
spectroscopy *really* sucks.

I read *Legacy of Ashes* (can>t think of author>s name.) There was
a lot of really interesting info, but the author was so unrelentingly
negative, it made the book kind of hard to take seriously.

The two most interesting ideas were 1) John McCone was the real
hero of the Cuban Missile Crisis, though the Kennedy brothers didn>t want
to admit it, and 2) George Tenet was the real villain of the Iraq War.

At the end, it sounds like the CIA has been almost completely
gutted, and any real work will be done by contractors, who are very often
former CIA employees.

Dennis
[/quote]
Or yo-yos dragged in from some contract that got through the budget
process, or, in at least one case, after the budget had been passed.
The whole Duke Cunningham group was basically two guys who went to
high school together in San Diego and their circle of fellow
conspirators. I think contracts will expire and be evaluated and we
will be back to hiring intelligent people at CIA and other
agencies .The 30 second TV ad for the Clandestine Service is an
example of how far from the old days the Agency has wandered.

Jack Linthicum · Guest

On Nov 25, 11:26 am, Vince <fire...@firelaw.us> wrote:
[quote]I got this today from the NSF
Beg pardon for the Jargon but you just have to read this

The Partnerships for International Research and Education (PIRE) program
seeks to catalyze a higher level of international engagement in the U.S.
science and engineering community by supporting innovative,
international research and education collaborations. The program will
enable U.S. scientists and engineers to establish collaborative
relationships with international colleagues in order to advance new
knowledge and discoveries at the frontiers of science and engineering
and to promote the development of a diverse, globally-engaged U.S.
scientific and engineering workforce. International partnerships are,
and will be, increasingly indispensable in addressing critical science
and engineering problems. As science and engineering discoveries result
more and more from international collaboration, U.S. researchers and
educators must be able to operate effectively in teams comprised of
partners from different nations and cultural backgrounds. The PIRE
program will support bold, forward-looking research whose successful
outcome results from all partners-U.S. and foreign-providing unique
contributions to the research endeavor. It is also intended to
facilitate greater student preparation for and participation in
international research collaboration, and to contribute to the
development of a diverse, globally-engaged U.S. science and engineering
workforce. The program aims to support partnerships that will strengthen
the capacity of institutions, multi-institutional consortia, and
networks to engage in and benefit from international research and
education collaborations.

Proposers are strongly encouraged to develop synergistic collaborations
with a wide range of U.S. academic institutions, including four-year and
two-year institutions, in order to take advantage of complementary
strengths in international research and/or education and broaden the
impact of the proposed PIRE program. They are also encouraged to develop
synergistic linkages with other domestic and international partners that
will enhance the PIRE project, including research laboratories,
professional societies, corporations, institutions of informal learning
(e.g., museums, zoos), etc.

Right , what do they actually want to fund? who knows?
But
The International project on Bioremediation of flammable ethanol stored
in glass bottles looks fundable
Joint Scotland/Ireland/ USA drinking teams

What could be more international or forward looking etc

Vince
[/quote]
I took the phrase

"seeks to catalyze a higher level of international engagement in the
U.S."

to google and got 355 exact hits. Mostly university urls.

ropeyarn · Guest

seriously:

this has to a "before" sample for an editing class someplace.
I have no idea what it said.

Guest · Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:21 am Post subject: Re: funding Ustafish

In article <J_SdnU1ZpsOaxbHUnZ2dnUVZ8v6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk () wrote:

[quote]What are synergetic collaborations?
[/quote]
I *think* that means "collaborations where both sides have something to
contribute and there are likely gains from collaborating". As opposed to
ones that don>t have those features, which are only good for pushing up
your statistics about the number of collaborations you have underway and
wasting money.

The quotation in the original posting seems to be saying that they are
offering funding for real international collaborations in science and
engineering. These can be between any vaguely credible set of
organisations, provided that they actually want to do something real
internationally, rather than just waste money. It has a lot of
shibboleth-speak layered on, indicating that the organisation offering
the funding already has a pretty bad case of bureaucracy. That>s
probably obligatory if you>re being funded by the US government.

Note that acquiring and wasting money is much easier than doing real
research, and in many organisations, is at least equally rewarded,
because it avoids creating problems.

--
John Dallman, jgd@cix.co.uk, HTML mail is treated as probable spam.

Alan Lothian · Guest

In article <%PYWk.943$QX3.81@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, Vince
<firelaw@firelaw.us> wrote:

[quote]kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
In article <XGVWk.882$QX3.640@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, firelaw@firelaw.us
(Vince) wrote:

Right , what do they actually want to fund? who knows?

I must be retarded, I read that three times and could not get anything
definite out of it except that US scientists should continue what they
have been doing since there were US scientists. Science has always has
been international. What the hell are four and two year institutions,
programs might have made sense. What are synergetic collaborations?
Please tell me this is a CIA scam not a serious academic organisation.

Ken Young

I had the same reaction

Vince
[/quote]

Quite so. How hard is it to spell B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T ?

Some clown got paid for this, at your (you in this instance = US
taxpayer) expense. Believe me, we have similar problems this side of
the pond.

Throw the rascals out, say I, the only political slogan that always
makes sense.

--
"The past resembles the future as water resembles water" -- Ibn Khaldun

If you wish to email me, try putting a dot between alan and lothian.
Blueyonder is a thing of the past.


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