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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:01 am    Post subject: Re: All customers PAY YOU IN CASH !!! Reply with quote

DO NOT DELETE, PRINT IT,

READ IT AND MAKE SOME BIG BUCKS.

IT HAS WORKED SO WELL, THIS IS MY THIRD TIME AROUND.


I QUIT MY BORING JOB AND WORK AT THIS ABOUT ONE TO TWO HOURS

A DAY PROCESSING ORDERS, INCLUDING MY DRIVE TO THE BANK!

SO GO FOR IT, YOU WILL BE GLAD YOU DID!

EARN $100,000 PER YEAR SENDING E-MAIL OR PLACING FREE CLASSIFIED ADS!!!

Dear Friend,

You can earn $50,000 or more in the next 90 days sending e-mail. Seem Impossible? Read on for details; is there a catch; NO, there is no catch, just send your emails and be on your way to financial freedom.

"AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TELEVISION"

Thank you for your time and Interest. This is the letter you>ve been reading about in the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a major nightly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of the program described below to see, if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are, absolutely no laws prohibiting the participation in the program. This has helped to show people that this is a simple, harmless and fun way to make some extra money at home. The results of this show have been truly remarkable. So many people are participating that those involved are doing, much better than ever before. Since everyone makes more as more people try it out, its been very exciting to be a part of lately. You will understand once you experience it.

"HERE IT IS BELOW"

*** Print This Now For Future Reference ***


The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at.

It can be started with VERY LITTLE investment and the income return

is TREMENDOUS!!!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

If you would like to make at least $50,000 in less than 90 days!

Please read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN !!!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY.

It does not require you to come into contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you>ll get that big break that you>ve been waiting for, THIS IS IT!

Simply follow the instructions, and your dreams will come true. This Multi-level e-mail order marketing program works perfectly 100% EVERY TIME. E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW! The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business using e-mail. Get your piece of this action !!! MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and the Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold through multi-level methods by the mid to late 1990>s. This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the U.S., 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. You may have heard this story before, but over the summer Donald Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman show. Dave asked him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over from scratch. Without hesitating, Trump said he would find a good network marketing company an
d get to work. The audience started to hoot and boo him. He looked out at the audience and dead-panned his response "That>s why I>m sitting up here and you are all sitting out there!" With network marketing you have two sources of income. Direct commissions from sales you make yourself and commissions from sales made by people you introduce to the business. Residual income is the secret of the wealthy. It means investing time or money once and getting paid again and again and again. In network marketing, it also means getting paid for the work of others. The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some thought and study to it.

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My name is Jerry Proctor.

Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past fifteen years down-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn>t seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share the experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER FINANCIALLY!!! In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month>s prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would work or not. One claimed that I would make a million dollars in one year...it didn>t tell me I>d have to write a book to make it! But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I receiv
ed this program. I didn>t send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT !!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn>t believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like most of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT." Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for
my time on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don>t need any money for printing to send out the program, and because all of my orders are fulfilled via e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn>t turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me. In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. Your goal is to "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF YOU DON>T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. By January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL." Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached progr
am, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!! Remember, it won>t work if you don>t try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It won>t work, you>ll lose out on a lot of money! In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and are if financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own
business, consider this a sign. I DID!

Sincerely, Jerry Proctor.

P.S.: Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table?



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IT>S AWESOME!

A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM

By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn>t working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn>t me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don>t have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate... because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER."

The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from the program after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices that make this and several other programs here and over seas. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on everyone of them! Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! "THINK AB
OUT IT" Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS!

Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA.

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HERE>S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE

YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$!!

INSTRUCTIONS: This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. Before you say "BULL... ", please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: This is what you MUST do:

1. Order all 4 reports shown on the list below (you can>t sell them if you don>t order them).

* For each report, send $5.00 CASH (or €5.00 CASH) the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL AND ADDRESS, YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) and to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report.

* If you do not live in the US, you will have to buy the $5 bills first at your local bank office.

* MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS! I recommend you to send letters by a REGISTERED MAIL (otherwise you might share your profit with a dishonest post office>s employee) or by an AIR MAIL (in case of a foreigner addressee. The ordinary mail might last 2 months !).

* When you place your order, make sure you order each of the four reports. You will need all four reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. You really need these reports, otherwise people won>t be able to order anything from you and these reports hold IMPORTANT INFORMATION which you really need to make this into a succes.

* Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the four reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000>s of people who will order them from you.

2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you>ll also see how it doesn>t work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work.

a. Look below for the listing of available reports.

b. After you>ve ordered the four reports, take this Advertisement and remove the name and address under REPORT #4. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $50,000!

c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4.

d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3.

e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2.

f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY!

3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the Instruction portion of this letter. Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $20 or €5). You obviously already have an Internet Connection and e-mail is FREE! To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 4 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much, much more. In addition you will be provided with information on Internet Marketing Clubs such as INTERNET MARKETING RESOURCES (IMR): This Is one the premiere Internet marketing clubs on the INTERNET. This club provides a forum where internet marketers from all over the world can exchange ideas and secrets on Internet Marketing. In addition, this club specializes in providing free internet marketing tools and services for the Do-Yourself-Internet- Marketer. They will provide you with free bulk e-mail software and up to 1,000,000 fresh e-mail addresses each week. This club will provide you with hundreds of free resources, which include:
How to obtain free web sites, how to obtain top rankings in search engines for your web-site, how to send bulk e-mail into AOL and Compuserve, how to market your products on newsgroups, free classified ads, electronic malls, bulletin boards, banner ads and much more. IMR>S web address is: http://www.marketingontheweb.net There are two primary methods of building your downline:

METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL

Let>s say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we>ll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let>s also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. Using a good list the response could be much better. Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That>s 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5,000+ $50,000 for a total of $55,550 !! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PR
OGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously a lready have an internet connection and e-mail is FREE !!! REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing, tell you where to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists.

METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET

1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let>s say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below.

2. 1st level-your 10 members with $5 .........$50.

3. 2nd level-10 mems from those 10 ($5 x 100).......$500.

4. 3rd level-10 mems from those 100 ($5 x 1,000) $5,000.

5. 4th level-10 mems from those 1,000 ($5 x 10k) $50,000. Total $55,550.

Remember friend, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100>s of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT>S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can>t advertise until they receive the report! AVAILABLE REPORTS

*** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME ***

Notes: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) OR €5 CASH FOR EACH REPORT. CHEQUES NOT ACCEPTED - YOU BETTER SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL!!

* Make sure you pay for all the shipping/mail costs or that you use enough stamps, especially when the person you order from lives in another country. This is really important because if you don>t pay enough your mail won>t arrive and you won>t receive your report. Take some time to do this right, you only have to do it once and it>s the base of your business. If your not sure how many stamps you need, just ask your post office or bring the mail to them and then they will make sure that it will arrive.

* Make sure the cash (if you live outside the US first buy 4 $5, or 4€5 bills at your bank office) is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper.

* On one of those sheets of paper, include:

(a) the number & name of the report you are ordering,

(b) your e-mail address,

(c) your name & postal address.

PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW:


ORDER REPORT#1 from:
Svetlana Atijas,P.O.Box191,Rochedale Sth,Qld,4123,Australia
e-mail address:atias@dodo.com.au


ORDER REPORT #2 from:
Maida Bombek,3/371 Cornwall st. Greenslopes,QLD,4120 Australia
email address:all2mai@yahoo.com.au


ORDER REPORT #3 "from:
Elhussein Sheikh Elallawy,Alhawary street,P.O.Box 91348 Dat Eleemad. Tripoli/Libya
e-mail address:alhuwy@yahoo.com

ORDER REPORT #4 from:
Salim Gashout/Alhawary street/P.O.Box 91388 Dat Eleemad.Tripoli
Libya


Title product: REPORT #1
Price: 5 ,- USD or 5,- EUR

……………………………….. signature

ORDER FORM Date:

S u p p l i e r
A p p l i c a n t

Name:
Name:

Surname:
Surname:

Street, n.h.:
Street, n.h.:

City:
City:

Postcode:
Postcode:

Country:
Country:

E-mail:
E-mail:

Title product: REPORT #2
Price: 5 ,- USD or 5,- EUR

……………………………….. signature

ORDER FORM Date:

S u p p l i e r
A p p l i c a n t

Name:
Name:

Surname:
Surname:

Street, n.h.:
Street, n.h.:

City:
City:

Postcode:
Postcode:

Country:
Country:

E-mail:
E-mail:

Title product: REPORT #3
Price: 5 ,- USD or 5,- EUR

……………………………….. signature




ORDER FORM Date:

S u p p l i e r
A p p l i c a n t

Name:
Name:

Surname:
Surname:

Street, n.h.:
Street, n.h.:

City:
City:

Postcode:
Postcode:

Country:
Country:

E-mail:
E-mail:

Title product: REPORT #4
Price: 5 ,- USD or 5,- EUR

……………………………….. signature.........




About 50,000 new people get online every month!

******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS *******

*TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately.

*Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because:

*When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report.

*ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE.

*Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL!

*ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED!

******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES *******

Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don>t receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don>t, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in!

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program. Please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about this program:

1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE!

2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO SHIP!

3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE!

4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND THE POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING TO DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD!

5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR INITIAL $20 INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME!

6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT!

7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER.


******* T E S T I M O N I A L S *******


This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won>t work and you>ll lose a lot of potential income. I>m living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you>ll be on your way to financial security.

Steven Bardfield, Portland, OR.

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This program really works. I live outside the US, in Europe and at first I had doubts, I wasn>t sure if it would work and so I didn>t take it very seriously. But after a while I figured "Why not?". After all, I can>t loose much. I went to the bank and I bought four bills of $5 each. I sended the requests for the reports (I did everything just like I had to because I wanted to do everything right, so if it wouldn>t work it wouldn>t be my fault, but the program>s) and waited. After a while the reports arrived by e-mail and I read them several times, they gave me precise information on how to let the program work and after I knew it all, I started my work. I started searching e-mail addressses everywhere (sites, magazines,...) and made long lists (I really enjoyed this because it was like a new hobby and I had nothing to loose). like crazy I started sending e-mail to people all over the world. I kept doiing this and checked the mail every day. After two weeks orders started to arrive. I remember the moment when I went to the mailbox and I found the first order for report #1. I just stood there for a moment and I said to myself: "this works, this thing f..... works !!!!" I was so happ
y that I started sending even more e-mails. The next day, nothing in the mail, I thought "maybe this is it" and I was a bit dissapointed but the next day I received 3 orders for report #1. i sended the reports to those people so they could start making money too (for them and for me). Two weeks later I was sitting almost 30 minutes a day before my computer sending reports to people that had ordered them. In these two weeks I received 29 orders for report #1. Profit so far: about 90 dollar. After that orders came faster and faster, every week I got hundreds of orders and the dollars kept coming. in total I received 64>000 dollar. can you believe this??? Last week I bought a new motorcycle and I owe it all to this program. if you>re holding this paper right now and you>re not sure whether t
participate or not I can only say one thing: TRY IT, you won>t regret. This is your chance, take it now or you will be sorry for the rest of your live.

H.J. Moines, France.

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My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody, and I live in Chicago, IL. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn>t work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn>t work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn>t work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Jody in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it>s not for me. We owe it all to MLM.

Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL.

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The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in.

Charles Morris, Esq.

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Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn>t get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I>ll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn>t matter where people live. There simply isn>t a better investment with a faster return.

Paige Willis, Des Moines, IA.

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I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn>t have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program, ..11 months passed then it came...I didn>t delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!!

Violet Wilson, Johnstown, PA.

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This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family>s sake don>t pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending!

Kerry Ford, Centerport, NY.

ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON

YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM!


NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOUR TURN DECISIVE ACTION YIELDS

POWERFUL RESULTS!!


PLEASE NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, registering a business name, learning how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal agency) 1-(800)827-5722 for free help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about business tax requirements. Your earnings and results are highly dependant on your activities and advertising. This letter constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this letter constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. Any testimonials or amounts of earnings listed in this letter may be factual or fictitious. If you have any question of the legality of this letter contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices Federal Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington DC.


Please ORDER FORM: fill out, print out, subscribe and send in per post.

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GOOOOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:40 am    Post subject: Re: OT: Are protons really quantum black holes? Reply with quote

carlip-nospam@physics.ucdavis.edu wrote: >
[quote]In sci.physics Rich Grise, Plainclothes Hippie <fff@example.com> wrote:
Hi. :-)
I>m about to embark on a websearch that could ultimately tell me some
of the numbers about protons and black holes.

Everybody>s heard of a proton, right?

And practically everybody (at least english-speaking internet geeks)
has heard of a black hole, right?

I wonder if anybody>s done comparative numbers on the effective mass
vs. dimensions of the two. Like, are they conceptually equivalent,
or could, maybe, protons (and their sisters, neutrons) actually _BE_
teeny, tiny, infinitesimallyy smalll BLACK HOLES?????

A charged black hole has a maximum charge-to-mass ratio, and a spinning
black hole has a maximum angular momentum-to-mass ratio. --
[/quote]
$ "Micro" means "orders of magnitude smaller"-LiKE ..duh.
The MORE "orders of magnitude smaller" ..the MORE micro a Black Hole.
[ A GR-WORLD-point CANNOT exhibit SiZE or SHAPE, on GR-WORLD-lines. ]
[ There are NO Black Holes with mass in GR ..G_uv & T_uv UNrelated. ]
[ THEREfore, any GR Black Hole was, AGAiN, simply a GR-WORLD-point. ]

$ The non-GR Blackhole mass M1
[ A GR Schwartzchild "radius" 2*G*M1 / c^2 is NOT a GR calculation. ]
[ Mathematically speaking there is NO constraint on non-GR mass M1. ]
[ Mathematically speaking the 2*G*M1 / c^2 is 2*G*(ANY mass) / c^2. ]
[ Mathematically speaking the 2*G*M1 / c^2 fits 2*G*(PROTON) / c^2. ]

YES, any PROTON is a TRUE micro-Blackhole, mathematically speaking.!!

brian a m stuckless
[quote]

-- If these are
exceeded, you don>t have an event horizon, but instead have a "naked
singularity."

The charges and spins of all known elementary particles far exceed this
maximum value.

So, no, the proton can>t be a black hole.

Steve Carlip
Re: OT: Are protons really quantum black holes?[/quote]
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Particle Radii Reply with quote

Y.Porat wrote: > > just lets try very simple logic;
[quote]if we agree that a combination of two particles is longish
and another condition - the bond is constant and fixed

what is more reasonable to think
that we have here two 'balls' side by side?
[/quote]
..Dumb-bell.?!!

[quote]so what is the point of connection is it one point?
if yes why rather that point and not another one.

or may be two longish shapes? that has 'poles' and the connection
is only at the poles?
[/quote]
..OBLONG, Dumb-bell.?!!

[quote]moreover:
how about the possibility that even that 'basic particle' is
actually not 'basic but composed of sub particles ??

so if a conglomerating of sub- particles than again we are in the
'direction of' the longish shape ??!!
[/quote]
..albeit, HEAVY-weight OBlong, Dumb-bell.?!!

[quote]have you hear ed about the 'string theory'?
[/quote]
ONE HEAVY-weight OBlong Dumb-bell Theory at a time.!!

[quote]have you hear ed about the 'chain of orbitals' theory??
[/quote]
CHAiNs are descretely CONTiNOUS strings of MOLAR particles.!!

brian a m stuckless
[quote]

have you seen a protein molecule? (not to mention the Genome)

have you seen the shape of a lightening (that might as well
be a shape of a chain of orbitals or may be based on it ?)
if not it is just material for new thinking.

ATB
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Posted Draft Paper: Is Quantum Mechanics a Consequence o Reply with quote

$ Dear YAB-a-dab-a-dooOP..
"Is Quantum Mechanics a Consequence of Requiring The Laws
of Nature in Integral Form to be Invariant Under Special
and General Coordinate Transformations?" doesn>t include
..within it, "The Laws of Nature" alluded-to, dimwit.?!

You DiD NOT SHOW "The Laws of NATURE" ..in iNTEGRAL FORM, idiot.!!

brian a m stuckless
[quote]
[/quote]
Jay R. Yablon wrote: > > Hello to all: >
[quote]As I mentioned previously, DRL earlier pointed out some problems
endemic to general relativity with respect to volume integrations
of energy / momentum in spacetime, and Igor had some comments
regarding connections I was attempting to make between general
relativity and quantum mechanics, on SPR.

As a consequence of these extremely helpful comments, I have
prepared a draft paper which I believe begins to address these
issues. It is posted on my web site at > http://home.nycap.rr.com/jry/FermionMass.htm, the title is:
"Is Quantum Mechanics a Consequence of Requiring The Laws of
Nature in Integral Form to be Invariant Under Special and General
Coordinate Transformations?" A direct link is below:

http://home.nycap.rr.com/jry/Papers/Uncertainty%20and%20GR.pdf

I would appreciate any comments you may have on this draft paper.

Very truly yours,

Jay R. Yablon
_____________________________
Jay R. Yablon
Email: jyablon@nycap.rr.com.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Einstein>s Mistakes Reply with quote

Sue... wrote: > > Joe Fischer wrote:
[quote]On Thu, RP <no_mail_no_spam@yahoo.com> wrote:

Make that zero *net* force rather than no force, and throw in an order
of fries please. Zero macroscopic force doesn>t imply zero microscopic
force. Each and every charge within the mass is being forced
continuously, though the average of all of the forces may vector sum to
zero.

Ok.

The forces on these charges are in turn due to electromagnetic
interactions with absolutely every other charge in the universe that
fall within their light cones.

Nonsense, although "the electrodynamics of
moving bodies" pays tribute to Euclidean space,
those who know relativity understand fully that
"space" has no attributes.
[/quote]
"Space" has size, volume & content, especially where a particle is.
```Brian.

[quote]Distant matter not only influences the
motions of charges, but it is the only influence on the motion of
charges. The word distant is also a relative term. All particles are
distant wrt any given charge, the only difference being the actual
magnitude of their separation. If distant galaxies have no effect on the
motion of local charges, then neither do near charges, because wrt any
charge whatsoever, all of the others are distant. Empirically we observe
that light (which is just em radiation, which is in turn just an
electromagnetic interaction between charges) does in fact extend
completely across the known universe. QED.

So now light is also the carrier of inertia and gravity?

The concept of spacetime is exactly the opposite
of what the novice may think. Instead of a controlling
"medium", it is a stretchable maginary map, showing that
space has _NO_ attributes,
[/quote]
"Space" has size, volume & content, especially where a particle is.
```Brian.

[quote]-=- and that there are no "forces"
acting at a distance.
This may be difficult for Newtonians because Euclidean
space is essential for Newtonian mechanics.


I am sorry that I cannot agree that light or any other
electromagnetic "charge" could be responsible for gravity
and inertia, because that would be an easy explanation,
but a more complicating -- wrong -- explanation.
I would agree with you both counts.
Columated EM radition is repulsive, not attractive.
There is no transfer of energy with gravity.

That said, EM radiation represents only a portition
of all possible spatial and temporal encodings
that the motion of charges can produce. To fomulate
time dependent field equations, a false assumpution.
is made that the Z spatial axis is interchangable with time.
It is only approximate. This leaves many other derivatives
of the Coulomb force unaccounted for in both QM and GR.
Van der Waals and London forces are short-range examples.
...Just as magnetism is the short-range (1/r^3) component of EM.

In a sense, we are saying it is not the repulsive long-range (1/r*2)
component that responsible for gravity and inertia, it is all the long-
range components remaining when you subtract the EM
component.

one then considers the Coulomb interaction of similar
charge distributions centered on the ions, but now with the
same sign as the original ions. These distributions exactly
cancel those that we have considered before, so that the
total interactions that we shall obtain will be those of the
original system made of point charges only. The interaction
of the cancelling distributions is computed in reciprocal space.
The required Fourier transforms are particularly simple
when the (arbitrary) shape of the distributions is chosen
to be a gaussian.
-=-SNiP-=-
In itself, the principle of equivalence would allow field
equations of almost unlimited complexity. Einstein could
have included terms in the equations involving four spacetime
derivatives, or six spacetime derivatives, or any even number
of spacetime derivatives, but he limited himself to second-
order differential equations.
-=-SNiP-=-
Sue...
2.

Joe Fischer
Re: Einstein>s Mistakes.[/quote]
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Question They Cannot Answer Reply with quote

PD wrote: > > Henri Wilson wrote:
[quote]If a remote spaceship fires its engine for a period, does its length PHYSICALLY
increase or decrease?
What about its clock rate?

Length is not an intrinsic physical property of the spaceship, so
asking whether it "PHYSICALLY increases or decreases" is a nonsequiter.
The same is true of its clock rate.

PD
[/quote]
ESPECiALLY in GR: There, a GR TEST-mass is a POiNT-mass, ONLY.
However (GR aside):.
h/2*pi*c = me*wls = {mph}*ls = Moo*loo/4*pi = eR*loo/2*pi*c^2.
<h*fL = nL*h*c/wl = nL*m1*c^2/fL = nA*{mph}*ls*wl*c/rA = pL*c>

Re: RESTmass*c^2 = iNTRiNSiC energy e EQUiVALENT, references..
From: alan (darkcloud@mac.SendMeSpam.not.com)
Newsgroups: sci.physics; Date: 2000/06/19
Go to: <
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&th=aae4c668cab37523&
seekm=8hm3vk%24j1c%241%40crib.corepower.com#link20 >.
[quote]| James A. Carr <jac@scri.fsu.edu
===============> Dear Jim,
Three times, you have quoted this error.

The speed of light is NOT "the ratio of the electric permittivity
of free space (vacuum) to the magnetic permeability of free
space.".

It>s the square root of the inverse of their product.
[/quote]
Sorry for the error. Of course you are right, it is the "square root of
the
inverse of their product". Thank you for correcting me. I hate being
wrong,
but now that you have corrected me I am no longer wrong.

[quote]
You numbskulls are pathetic.

Sincerely,
brian a. m. stuckless
http://avalon.nf.ca/~bastuckl
bastuckl@avint.net
===============Re: Three questions from a layman.
[/quote]
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intrinsic energy (Jim Carr)

From: arcsign@my-deja.com; To: arcsign@my-deja.com
Re: Do Photons Have Mass?; Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:05:56 GMT
--------------------------------------------------------------
In article <93vike$u0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> ,
srp@microtec.net wrote:
[quote]In article <3a631377$1@pull.gecm.com> ,
richard.herring@baesystems.com wrote:
In article <3A4646B6.E787BC16@microtec.net> , srp
(srp@microtec.net) wrote:
Jim Carr a Ècrit :

In article <3a362709.3795467@news.uq.edu.au
this@will.bounce writes:

Mass is equivalent to energy and photons of course have
energy.

Only partly true. Mass is equivalent to (what I call)
_intrinsic_ energy, the energy a particle has that is
unrelated to its motion.
The relation is that m = sqrt{ E^2 - (pc)^2 }/c^2.

`````snip`````
Note the sign. He>s *subtracting* the momentum contribution
from the total energy. What>s left is the intrinsic energy.

I understand that. The point was that pc can only theoretically
be completely subtracted in that equation because in reality
no particle can be brought completely to rest with respect to
all other particles.

This means that when what Jim calls the intrinsic energy is to be
calculated, the simple original equation E=mc^2 has always been
and still is the real deal.
[/quote]
[arcsign to srp] Yes, exactly, 'intrinsic energy' is just another simple
synonym for (Rest-mass)*c^2 = (rebel GR-invarint Rest-mass)*c^2.

[quote]We know c, we can measure m, so we can very precisely
calculate E.

On its part, p is relative, and varies depending with respect to
which other particle you consider the motion of the original
particle. The major point being that it can never equal zero for
any real particle with respect to all other particles.

--
André Michaud
Service de Recherche Pédagogique http://www.microtec.net/srp/
La nouvelle "Société Royale" http://www.microtec.net/srp/socroyfr.htm
"Les choses n>arrivent dans ce monde que lorsque quelqu>un les fait
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: Another Question They Cannot Answer Reply with quote

[CORRECTED h*fL, below..]; PD wrote: > > Henri Wilson wrote:
[quote]
If a remote spaceship fires its engine for a period, does its
length PHYSICALLY increase or decrease?
What about its clock rate?

Length is not an intrinsic physical property of the spaceship, so
asking whether it "PHYSICALLY increases or decreases" is a
nonsequiter. The same is true of its clock rate.
PD
[/quote]
Especially in GR where the GR TEST-mass is a GR POiNT-mass, ONLY.

Put GR aside:
1. h/2*pi*c = me*wls = {mph}*ls = Moo*loo/4*pi = eR*loo/2*pi*c^2.

2. h*fL = pL*c = nL*h*c / wl = m1*c^2 = nA*{mph}*ls*c^2 / rA
= pi*(h + nA*hbar) / (pi + 1)*sec = (m1*v1^2/2)*{(m1/M1) + 1)
= 2*pi*(h + 2*hbar) / (2*pi + nA)*sec.

3. RESTmass*c^2 = iNTRiNSiC energy eM EQUiVALENT.

From: alan (darkcloud@mac.SendMeSpam.not.com); sci.physics;
Date: 2000/06/19; Go-go Google: <
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&th=aae4c668cab37523&
seekm=8hm3vk%24j1c%241%40crib.corepower.com#link20 >:

[quote]| James A. Carr <jac@scri.fsu.edu
===============> Dear Jim,
Three times, you have quoted this error.

The speed of light is NOT "the ratio of the electric permittivity
of free space (vacuum) to the magnetic permeability of free
space.".

It>s the square root of the inverse of their product.
[/quote]
Sorry for the error. Of course you are right, it is the "square root
of the inverse of their product". Thank you for correcting me. I hate
being wrong, but now that you have corrected me I am no longer wrong.

[quote]You numbskulls are pathetic.

Sincerely,
brian a. m. stuckless
http://avalon.nf.ca/~bastuckl
bastuckl@avint.net
===============Re: Three questions from a layman.
[/quote]
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intrinsic energy (Jim Carr)

From: arcsign@my-deja.com; To: arcsign@my-deja.com
Re: Do Photons Have Mass?; Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:05:56 GMT
--------------------------------------------------------------
In article <93vike$u0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, srp@microtec.net wrote:
In article <3a631377$1@pull.gecm.com>, richard.herring@baesystems.com
wrote: > > In article <3A4646B6.E787BC16@microtec.net>,
srp (srp@microtec.net) wrote: > > > Jim Carr a Ècrit :
In article <3a362709.3795467@news.uq.edu.au> this@will.bounce writes:
[quote]Mass is equivalent to energy and photons of course have
energy.

Only partly true. Mass is equivalent to (what I call)
_intrinsic_ energy, the energy a particle has that is
unrelated to its motion.
The relation is that m = sqrt{ E^2 - (pc)^2 }/c^2.

`````snip`````
Note the sign. He>s *subtracting* the momentum contribution
from the total energy. What>s left is the intrinsic energy.

I understand that. The point was that pc can only theoretically
be completely subtracted in that equation because in reality
no particle can be brought completely to rest with respect to
all other particles.

This means that when what Jim calls the intrinsic energy is to be
calculated, the simple original equation E=mc^2 has always been
and still is the real deal.
[/quote]
[arcsign to srp] Yes, exactly, 'intrinsic energy' is just another
simple synonym for (Rest-mass)*c^2=(rebel GR-invarint Rest-mass)*c^2.

[quote]We know c, we can measure m, so we can very precisely calculate E.

On its part, p is relative, and varies depending with respect to
which other particle you consider the motion of the original
particle. The major point being that it can never equal zero for
any real particle with respect to all other particles.

--
André Michaud
Service de Recherche Pédagogique http://www.microtec.net/srp/
La nouvelle "Société Royale" http://www.microtec.net/srp/socroyfr.htm
"Les choses n>arrivent dans ce monde que lorsque quelqu>un les fait
arriver" - Anonyme.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:32 am    Post subject: Re: Another Question They Cannot Answer Reply with quote

[Added h*fL EMiTTER & RECiEVER equation NOTEs @ item 2.]; PD wrote:
[quote]Length is not an intrinsic physical property of the spaceship,
so asking whether it "PHYSICALLY increases or decreases" is a
nonsequiter. The same is true of its clock rate. > PD
[/quote]
Especially in GR, WHERE the GR TEST-mass is a GR POiNT-mass ..ONLY.!!
But PUT GR aside:
1. h/2*pi*c = me*wls = {mph}*ls = Moo*loo/4*pi = eR*loo/2*pi*c^2.

2. h*fL = pL*c = nL*h*c / wl = m1*c^2 = nA*{mph}*ls*c^2 / rA, ENERGY;
= pi*(h + nA*hbar) / (pi + 1)*sec ..The ENERGY for at a RECiEVER;
= 2*pi*(h + 2*hbar) / (2*pi + nA)*sec ..The ENERGY for an EMiTTER;
= (m1*v1^2/2)*{(m1/M1) + 1), The GUESS STANDARD LaGrangian;
SAME...
So @ a RECiEVER (below); .._AND/OR_ @ an EMiTTER (below) ENERGY, h*fL;
pi*(h + nA*hbar) nA*{mph}*ls*c^2 2*pi*(h + 2*hbar) nL*h*c
= -- -- --- -- -- = -- -- --- -- --; = -- -- -- -- -- --; = -- ---.
(pi + 1)*sec rA (2*pi + nA)*sec wl

Sun RADiATEs @ AMBiENT; AMBiENT RADiATEs 1400 Watts/m^2 @ 1*AU radius.

3. RESTmass*c^2 = iNTRiNSiC REST energy eM = EQUiVALENT energy e.

RePOST 1:
From: alan (darkcloud@mac.SendMeSpam.not.com); sci.physics;
Date: 2000/06/19; Go-go Google: <
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&th=aae4c668cab37523&
seekm=8hm3vk%24j1c%241%40crib.corepower.com#link20 >:
[quote]| James A. Carr <jac@scri.fsu.edu> > ===============> Dear Jim,
Three times, you have quoted this error.

The speed of light is NOT "the ratio of the electric permittivity
of free space (vacuum) to the magnetic permeability of free
space.".

It>s the square root of the inverse of their product.
[jiM Carr to Brian (arcsign)][/quote]
Sorry for the error. Of course you are right, it is the "square root
of the inverse of their product". Thank you for correcting me. I hate
being wrong, but now that you have corrected me I am no longer wrong.

[quote]You numbskulls are pathetic.

Sincerely,
brian a. m. stuckless
http://avalon.nf.ca/~bastuckl
bastuckl@avint.net
================ ..end of rePOST 1.
Re: Three questions from a layman.[/quote]

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iNTRiNSiC energy (Jim Carr)...

RePOST 2: iNTRiNSiC energy (Jim Carr).
From: arcsign@my-deja.com; To: arcsign@my-deja.com
Re: Do Photons Have Mass?; Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:05:56 GMT
--------------------------------------------------------------
In article <93vike$u0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, srp@microtec.net wrote:
In article <3a631377$1@pull.gecm.com>, richard.herring@baesystems.com
wrote: > > In article <3A4646B6.E787BC16@microtec.net>,
srp (srp@microtec.net) wrote: > > > Jim Carr a Ècrit :
In article <3a362709.3795467@news.uq.edu.au> this@will.bounce writes:
[quote]Mass is equivalent to energy and photons of course have
energy.

Only partly true. Mass is equivalent to (what I call)
_intrinsic_ energy, the energy a particle has that is
unrelated to its motion.
The relation is that m = sqrt{ E^2 - (pc)^2 }/c^2.
`````snip`````
Note the sign. He>s *subtracting* the momentum contribution
from the total energy. What>s left is the intrinsic energy.

I understand that. The point was that pc can only theoretically
be completely subtracted in that equation because in reality
no particle can be brought completely to rest with respect to
all other particles.

This means that when what Jim calls the intrinsic energy is to be
calculated, the simple original equation E=mc^2 has always been
and still is the real deal.
[/quote]
[arcsign to srp] YES, exactly, 'iNTRiNSiC energy' is just ANOTHER
simple SYNONYM for (Rest-mass)*c^2=(Rebel GR-invarint REST-mass)*c^2.

[quote]We know c, we can measure m, so we can very precisely calculate E.

On its part, p is relative, and varies depending with respect to
which other particle you consider the motion of the original
particle. The major point being that it can never equal zero for
any real particle with respect to all other particles.

--
André Michaud
Service de Recherche Pédagogique http://www.microtec.net/srp/
La nouvelle "Société Royale" http://www.microtec.net/srp/socroyfr.htm
"Les choses n>arrivent dans ce monde que lorsque quelqu>un les fait
arriver" - Anonyme.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:20 am    Post subject: Re: Another Question They Cannot Answer Reply with quote

$$ [MORE h*fL EMiTTER & RECiEVER equations @ item 2.]; SPEEDO.wpd.
Re: the speed of electron; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:14:10
Tom Roberts wrote: > double precision wrote: > big magician wrote:
[quote]does anyone knows the speed of the accelerated deviated
electrons in a crt?
The accelerating voltage of a typical CRT is about 15 kV, so the
kinetic nergy of an electron when it hits the screen is about 15
keV; it therefore has v/c ~ 0.03. -=- I see I made a mistake.
Sorry. I use units with c=1: keV for energy, keV/c^2 for mass,
and keV/c for momentum (since c=1 these distinctions are
notational only).

KE = 15 keV ; m = 511 keV/c^2 ; E = m + KE = 526 keV
[/quote]
Those equation shows no LaGrangian L; And, no Angular momentum pA:
$$ GR equation corrected.
GUESS iSS GR G_uv = G_absolute / G = 1 / (n - 1) = G_relative = Gr.

ENTHALPY E = m*c^2 + LaGrangian L + Volt*Amp*sec energy eV
= eM + L + eV
= m*c^2 + pL*c + pA*fA
= m*c^2 + pL*c - (me*v^2 / 2)
= m*c^2 + m1*c^2 - (me*v^2 / 2)
= m*c^2 + h*fL + pA*fA
= m*c^2 + h*fL + nA*hbar*fA
= m*c^2 + nL*h*c / wl + nA*hbar*fA
= iNTRiNSiC energy + LaGrangian L + Volt*CHARGE energy eV
= eM + L + eV
= eM + eK ..note, this line very much fits 526 keV, above;
= eF + L + eK
= eG + eK - eV
= eG + eK + (me*v^2 / 2)
= eM + eK + (me*v^2 / 2) + eV.

Hamiltonian ANALYSiS confused POTENTiAL energy especially, which
is WHY it only fits with LaGrangian ANALYSiS in PARTiCULAR cases.
You CAN only understand this if REST mass*c^2 = iNTRiNSiC energy.
Note c constant is NOT equal to 1 in GUESS iSS units, but arrives
at the SAME ANSWER ..and also, with the SAME form as noted above.
```Brian.
[quote]P = sqrt(E^2 - m^2) = 125 keV/c ; > beta = v/c = P/E = 0.24
So this is more relativistic than I originally said, but not
enormously so. gamma-1 is a typical measure of how large
relativistic effects are, and that is 0.029 or ~3%. To obtain
good crisp images across the face of a CRT (especially position
being linearly related to the signal voltage)
I suspect they must be taken into account in the design.

As others have pointed out, bigger screens use larger voltages.
Increasing to 25 kV only increases v/c to 0.30 and gamma-1 to ~5%.

Tom Roberts tjoberts@lucent.com
Re: the speed of electron.[/quote]
########## ########### ########## ##########

$$ [MORE h*fL EMiTTER & RECiEVER equations @ item 2.]; PD wrote:
[quote]Length is not an intrinsic physical property of the spaceship,
so asking whether it "PHYSICALLY increases or decreases" is a
nonsequiter. The same is true of its clock rate. > PD
[/quote]
Especially in GR, WHERE the GR TEST-mass is a GR POiNT-mass ..ONLY.!!
But PUT GR aside:
1. h/2*pi*c = me*wls = {mph}*ls = Moo*loo/4*pi = eR*loo/2*pi*c^2.

2. h*fL = pL*c = nL*h*c / wl = m1*c^2 = nA*{mph}*ls*c^2 / rA, ENERGY;
= pi*(h + nA*hbar) / (pi + 1)*sec ..The ENERGY for at a RECiEVER;
= 2*pi*(h + 2*hbar) / (2*pi + nA)*sec ..The ENERGY for an EMiTTER;
= (m1*v1^2/2)*{(m1/M1) + 1), The GUESS STANDARD LaGrangian.
SAME...
LEFT side is a RECiEVER DETECTOR; AND|OR EMiTTER (below) ENERGY, h*fL;
|
pi*(h + nA*hbar) | 2*pi*(h + 2*hbar)
= -- -- --- -- -- = -- -- --- -- --;|= -- -- -- -- -- --; = -- ---
(pi + 1)*sec | (2*pi + nA)*sec
|
2*pi*(h + nA*hbar) | Ra*h 2*pi*Ra*hbar
= -- -- -- -- -- -- = -- -- -- --;|= -- -- -- -- -- = -- -- -- -- --
Ra*sec | (2*pi +nA)*sec (2*pi +nA)*sec
|
LEFT side is the RECiEVER DETECTOR| ; The RiGHT side is the EMiTTER.
|
SAME, but for the AMBiENT media ..or, iN-TRANSiT space ENERGY, h*fL;

nA*{mph}*ls*c^2 nL*h*c | m1*v1^2 m1 |
= -- -- -- -- -- -- = --- -- = |(-- - --)*(-- + 1)| = pL*c = m1*c^2.
rA wl | 2 M1 |
STANDARD LaGrangian.

Sun RADiATEs @ AMBiENT; AMBiENT RADiATEs 1400 Watts/m^2 @ 1*AU radius.

3. RESTmass*c^2 = iNTRiNSiC REST energy eM = EQUiVALENT energy e.



















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$$ iNTRiNSiC energy (Jim Carr), follows..


RePOST 1: iNTRiNSiC energy (Jim Carr).
From: arcsign@my-deja.com; To: arcsign@my-deja.com
Re: Do Photons Have Mass?; Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:05:56 GMT
--------------------------------------------------------------
In article <93vike$u0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, srp@microtec.net wrote:
In article <3a631377$1@pull.gecm.com>, richard.herring@baesystems.com
wrote: > > In article <3A4646B6.E787BC16@microtec.net>,
srp (srp@microtec.net) wrote: > > > Jim Carr a Ècrit :
In article <3a362709.3795467@news.uq.edu.au> this@will.bounce writes:
[quote]Mass is equivalent to energy and photons of course have
energy.

Only partly true. Mass is equivalent to (what I call)
_intrinsic_ energy, the energy a particle has that is
unrelated to its motion.
The relation is that m = sqrt{ E^2 - (pc)^2 }/c^2.
`````snip`````
Note the sign. He>s *subtracting* the momentum contribution
from the total energy. What>s left is the intrinsic energy.

I understand that. The point was that pc can only theoretically
be completely subtracted in that equation because in reality
no particle can be brought completely to rest with respect to
all other particles.

This means that when what Jim calls the intrinsic energy is to be
calculated, the simple original equation E=mc^2 has always been
and still is the real deal.
[/quote]
[arcsign to srp] YES, exactly, 'iNTRiNSiC energy' is just ANOTHER
simple SYNONYM for (Rest-mass)*c^2=(Rebel GR-invarint REST-mass)*c^2.

[quote]We know c, we can measure m, so we can very precisely calculate E.

On its part, p is relative, and varies depending with respect to
which other particle you consider the motion of the original
particle. The major point being that it can never equal zero for
any real particle with respect to all other particles.

--
André Michaud
Service de Recherche Pédagogique http://www.microtec.net/srp/
La nouvelle "Société Royale" http://www.microtec.net/srp/socroyfr.htm
"Les choses n>arrivent dans ce monde que lorsque quelqu>un les fait
arriver" - Anonyme.

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[/quote]












RePOST 2:
From: alan (darkcloud@mac.SendMeSpam.not.com); sci.physics;
Date: 2000/06/19; Go-go Google: <
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&th=aae4c668cab37523&
seekm=8hm3vk%24j1c%241%40crib.corepower.com#link20 >:
[quote]| James A. Carr <jac@scri.fsu.edu> > ===============> Dear Jim,
Three times, you have quoted this error.

The speed of light is NOT "the ratio of the electric permittivity
of free space (vacuum) to the magnetic permeability of free
space.".

It>s the square root of the inverse of their product.
[jiM Carr to Brian (arcsign)][/quote]
Sorry for the error. Of course you are right, it is the "square root
of the inverse of their product". Thank you for correcting me. I hate
being wrong, but now that you have corrected me I am no longer wrong.

[quote]You numbskulls are pathetic.

Sincerely, > brian a. m. stuckless
Re: Three questions from a layman. ..end of rePOST 2.[/quote]
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:34 am    Post subject: Re: Another Question They Cannot Answer Reply with quote

$$ EMiTTER & DETECTOR equations & ENTHALPY E typo +eV & added line.
[SPEEDO.wpd] ; Re: the speed of electron; Mon 16 Jan 2006 20:14.
Tom Roberts wrote: double precision wrote: big magician wrote:
[quote]does anyone knows the speed of the accelerated deviated
electrons in a crt?
The accelerating voltage of a typical CRT is about 15 kV, so the
kinetic nergy of an electron when it hits the screen is about 15
keV; it therefore has v/c ~ 0.03. -=- I see I made a mistake.
Sorry. I use units with c=1: keV for energy, keV/c^2 for mass,
and keV/c for momentum (since c=1 these distinctions are
notational only).

KE = 15 keV ; m = 511 keV/c^2 ; E = m + KE = 526 keV
[/quote]
Those EQUATiONs show no LaGrangian L; And, no ANGULAR momentum pA:
$$ GR equation corrected:
GUESS iSS GR G_uv = G_absolute/G = 1/(n - 1) = G_relative = Gr.

ENTHALPY E = m*c^2 + LaGrangian L + Volt*Amp*sec energy eV
= eM + L + eV
= m*c^2 + pL*c + pA*fA
= m*c^2 + pL*c - (me*v^2 / 2)
= m*c^2 + m1*c^2 - (me*v^2 / 2)
= m*c^2 + h*fL + pA*fA
= m*c^2 + h*fL + nA*hbar*fA
= m*c^2 + nL*h*c / wl + nA*hbar*fA
= iNTRiNSiC energy + LaGrangian L + Volt*CHARGE energy eV
= eM + L + eV
= eM + L - (me*v^2 / 2) ; ..Added line;
= eM + eK ; ..This line, VERY much, fits 526 keV, ABOVE;
= eF + L + eK
= eG + eK - eV ; ..THiS LiNE and NEXT *are-MUTUALLY-exclusive*;
= eG + eK + (me*v^2 / 2); Typo +eV WAS on (missing) BOTTOM LiNE.

Hamiltonian ANALYSiS confused POTENTiAL energy especially, which
is WHY it only fits with LaGrangian ANALYSiS in PARTiCULAR cases.
You CAN only understand this if REST mass*c^2 = iNTRiNSiC energy.
Note c constant is NOT equal to 1 in GUESS iSS units, but arrives
at the SAME ANSWER ..and also, with the SAME FORM as noted ABOVE.

[quote]P = sqrt(E^2 - m^2) = 125 keV/c ; > beta = v/c = P/E = 0.24
So this is more relativistic than I originally said, but not
enormously so. gamma-1 is a typical measure of how large
relativistic effects are, and that is 0.029 or ~3%. To obtain
good crisp images across the face of a CRT (especially position
being linearly related to the signal voltage)
I suspect they must be taken into account in the design.

As others have pointed out, bigger screens use larger voltages.
Increasing to 25 kV only increases v/c to 0.30 and gamma-1 to ~5%.

Tom Roberts tjoberts@lucent.com
Re: the speed of electron.[/quote]
########## ########### ########## ##########

$$ EMiTTER & DETECTOR equations & NOTEs, etc.
[quote]Length is not an intrinsic physical property of the spaceship,
so asking whether it "PHYSICALLY increases or decreases" is a
nonsequiter. The same is true of its clock rate. > PD
[/quote]
ESPECiALLY in GR, WHERE the GR TEST-mass is a GR POiNT-mass ..ONLY.!!
But PUT GR aside:
1. h/2*pi*c = me*wls = {mph}*ls = Moo*loo/4*pi = eR*loo/2*pi*c^2.

2. h*fL = pL*c = nL*h*c / wl = m1*c^2 = nA*{mph}*ls*c^2 / rA, ENERGY;
= pi*(h + nA*hbar) / (pi + 1)*sec ..The ENERGY for at a RECiEVER;
= 2*pi*(h + 2*hbar) / (2*pi + nA)*sec ..The ENERGY for an EMiTTER;
= (m1*v1^2/2)*{(m1/M1) + 1), The GUESS STANDARD LaGrangian.
SAME...
LEFT side is a RECiEVER DETECTOR ;| AND/OR EMiTTER (below) ENERGY h*fL;
|
pi*(h + nA*hbar) | 2*pi*(h + 2*hbar)
= -- -- --- -- -- = -- -- --- --;|= -- -- -- -- -- --; = -- --- -- --
(pi + 1)*sec | (2*pi + nA)*sec
|
2*pi*(h + nA*hbar) | Ra*h 2*pi*Ra*hbar
= -- -- -- -- -- -- = -- -- -- --;|= -- -- --- -- -- = -- -- --- -- --
Ra*sec | (2*pi + nA)*sec (2*pi + nA)*sec
|
2*pi*(h + nA*hbar)*Ni | (PLANCK Temp Tp)*h
= -- -- -- --- -- -- -- = --- ---;|= -- -- --- -- -- -- = -- --- -- --
(PLANCK Temp Tp)*sec | (2*pi + nA)*Ni*sec
|
(h + nA*hbar)*hbar | 2*pi*Rx
= -- -- --- -- -- -- = -- - -- --;|= -- -- --- -- -- = -- -- --- -- --
Rx*sec | (2*pi + nA)*sec
|
LEFT side is a RECiEVER, DETECTOR;| The RiGHT side is an h*fL EMiTTER.

SAME, but for the AMBiENT media ..or, iN-TRANSiT space ENERGY, h*fL;

nA*{mph}*ls*c^2 nL*h*c | m1*v1^2 m1 |
= -- -- -- -- -- -- = --- -- = |(-- - --)*(-- + 1)| = pL*c = m1*c^2;
rA wl | 2 M1 |
$$ STANDARD LaGrangian.

Sun RADiATEs @ AMBiENT; AMBiENT RADiATEs 1400 Watts/m^2 @ 1*AU radius.

3. RESTmass*c^2 = iNTRiNSiC REST energy eM = EQUiVALENT energy e.











####### ########### #########

$$ iNTRiNSiC energy (Jim Carr), follows..


RePOST 1: iNTRiNSiC energy (Jim Carr).
From: arcsign@my-deja.com; To: arcsign@my-deja.com
Re: Do Photons Have Mass?; Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:05:56 GMT
--------------------------------------------------------------
In article <93vike$u0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, srp@microtec.net wrote:
In article <3a631377$1@pull.gecm.com>, richard.herring@baesystems.com
wrote: > > In article <3A4646B6.E787BC16@microtec.net>,
srp (srp@microtec.net) wrote: > > > Jim Carr a Ècrit :
In article <3a362709.3795467@news.uq.edu.au> this@will.bounce writes:
[quote]Mass is equivalent to energy and photons of course have
energy.

Only partly true. Mass is equivalent to (what I call)
_intrinsic_ energy, the energy a particle has that is
unrelated to its motion.
The relation is that m = sqrt{ E^2 - (pc)^2 }/c^2.
`````snip`````
Note the sign. He>s *subtracting* the momentum contribution
from the total energy. What>s left is the intrinsic energy.

I understand that. The point was that pc can only theoretically
be completely subtracted in that equation because in reality
no particle can be brought completely to rest with respect to
all other particles.

This means that when what Jim calls the intrinsic energy is to be
calculated, the simple original equation E=mc^2 has always been
and still is the real deal.
[/quote]
[arcsign to srp] YES, exactly, 'iNTRiNSiC energy' is just ANOTHER
simple SYNONYM for (Rest-mass)*c^2=(Rebel GR-invarint REST-mass)*c^2.

[quote]We know c, we can measure m, so we can very precisely calculate E.

On its part, p is relative, and varies depending with respect to
which other particle you consider the motion of the original
particle. The major point being that it can never equal zero for
any real particle with respect to all other particles.

--
André Michaud
Service de Recherche Pédagogique http://www.microtec.net/srp/
La nouvelle "Société Royale" http://www.microtec.net/srp/socroyfr.htm
"Les choses n>arrivent dans ce monde que lorsque quelqu>un les fait
arriver" - Anonyme.

Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com ® © ¿ End of rePOST.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Question They Cannot Answer Reply with quote

$$ Emit detect Dirac ambient h*fL.
$$ Note EMiTTER side 4*(pi)^2*Rx typo-CORRECTiON @ item 2 ..below.

[quote]Length is not an intrinsic physical property of the spaceship,
so asking whether it "PHYSICALLY increases or decreases" -=-
[/quote]
[ESPECiALLY in GR, WHERE the GR TEST-mass is a GR POiNT-mass ONLY.!!]

PUT GR aside:..
1. h/2*pi*c = me*wls = {mph}*ls = Moo*loo/4*pi = eR*loo/2*pi*c^2.

2. h*fL = pL*c = nL*h*c / wl = m1*c^2 = nA*{mph}*ls*c^2 / rA, ENERGY;
= pi*(h + nA*hbar) / (pi + 1)*sec ..The ENERGY for at a RECiEVER;
= 2*pi*(h + 2*hbar) / (2*pi + nA)*sec ..The ENERGY for an EMiTTER;
= (m1*v1^2/2)*{(m1/M1) + 1), The GUESS STANDARD LaGrangian.
SAME...
Reciever DETECTOR (on LEFT side) || Planck EMiTTER energy h*fL (below);
||
pi*(h + nA*hbar) || 2*pi*(h + 2*hbar)
= -- -- --- -- -- = -- -- --- --||= -- -- -- -- -- --; = -- --- -- --
(pi + 1)*sec || (2*pi + nA)*sec
||
2*pi*(h + nA*hbar) || Ra*h 2*pi*Ra*hbar
= -- -- -- -- -- -- = -- -- -- --||= -- -- --- -- -- = -- -- --- -- --
Ra*sec || (2*pi + nA)*sec (2*pi + nA)*sec
||
2*pi*(h + nA*hbar)*Ni || (PLANCK Temp Tp)*h
= -- -- -- --- -- -- -- = --- ---||= -- -- --- -- -- -- = -- --- -- --
(PLANCK Temp Tp)*sec || (2*pi + nA)*Ni*sec
||
(h + nA*hbar)*hbar || 4*(pi)^2*Rx <- Typo-CORRECTED;
= -- -- --- -- -- -- = -- - -- --||= -- -- --- -- -- = -- -- --- -- --
Rx*sec || (2*pi + nA)*sec
||
LEFT side is a RECiEVER, DETECTOR|| The RiGHT side is an h*fL EMiTTER.

SAME, but for the AMBiENT media, or, *iN-TRANSiT-space* ENERGY, h*fL;

|nA*{mph}*ls*c^2| nL*h*c | m1*v1^2 m1 | | |
= |-- -- --- -- --| = --- -- = |(-- - --)*(-- + 1)| = pL*c = |m1*c^2|.
| rA | wl | 2 M1 | | |
$$ STANDARD LaGrangian form.

Sun RADiATEs @ AMBiENT; AMBiENT RADiATEs 1400 Watts/m^2 @ 1*AU radius.

3. RESTmass*c^2 = iNTRiNSiC REST energy eM = EQUiVALENT energy e.










Old GR EQUATiON had no LaGrangian L ..and no ANGULAR momentum pA.
$$ GR equation corrected:
GUESS iSS GR G_uv = G_absolute/G = 1/(n - 1) = G_relative = Gr.

$$ ENTHALPY E = m*c^2 + LaGrangian L + Volt*Amp*sec energy eV;
= eM + L + eV
= m*c^2 + pL*c + pA*fA
= m*c^2 + pL*c - (me*v^2 / 2)
= m*c^2 + m1*c^2 - (me*v^2 / 2)
= m*c^2 + h*fL + pA*fA
= m*c^2 + h*fL + nA*hbar*fA
= m*c^2 + nL*h*c / wl + nA*hbar*fA
= iNTRiNSiC energy + LaGrangian L + Volt*CHARGE energy eV
= eM + L + eV ..THiS LiNE and NEXT are *MUTUALLY-exclusive*;
= eM + L - (me*v^2 / 2) ..a NET energy caN>T be BOTH, at once;
= eM + eK
= eF + L + eK
= eG + eK - eV ..THiS LiNE and NEXT are *MUTUALLY-exclusive*;
= eG + eK + (me*v^2 / 2) ..a NET energy caN>T be BOTH, at once.

$$ Hamiltonian ANALYSiS confused POTENTiAL energy especially, which
is WHY it only fits with LaGrangian ANALYSiS in PARTiCULAR cases.
You CAN only understand this if REST mass*c^2 = iNTRiNSiC energy.
Note c constant is NOT equal to 1 in GUESS iSS units, but arrives
at the SAME ANSWER ..and also, with the SAME FORM as GiVEN above.

RePOST: iNTRiNSiC energy (jiM Carr).
Re: Do Photons Have Mass?; Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:05:56 GMT
--------------------------------------------------------------
srp (srp@microtec.net) wrote: > > > Jim Carr a Ècrit :
In article <3a362709.3795467@news.uq.edu.au> this@will.bounce writes:
[quote]Mass is equivalent to energy and photons of course have
energy.

Only partly true. Mass is equivalent to (what I call)
_intrinsic_ energy, the energy a particle has that is
unrelated to its motion.
The relation is that m = sqrt{ E^2 - (pc)^2 }/c^2.
`````snip`````
Note the sign. He>s *subtracting* the momentum contribution
from the total energy. What>s left is the intrinsic energy.
[/quote]
[arcsign to srp]; YES, exactly, 'iNTRiNSiC energy' is just ANOTHER
simple SYNONYM for (REST-mass)*c^2=(Rebel-GR-invarint REST-mass)*c^2.

[quote]-- > André Michaud
Service de Recherche Pédagogique http://www.microtec.net/srp/
La nouvelle "Société Royale" http://www.microtec.net/srp/socroyfr.htm
"Les choses n>arrivent dans ce monde que lorsque quelqu>un les fait
arriver" - Anonyme.

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