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Cindy Hamilton · Guest

On Apr 26, 12:13 am, <h> wrote:
[quote]"Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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On Apr 24, 2:57 pm, <h> wrote:

But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains,
corn,
and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can>t imagine that
stuff fed to anything but livestock.
Of course. What ivory tower do you live in? Carbohydrates are the
staple
food of millions of Americans.

Yep. And that>s why so many Americans are so fat.
[/quote]
They>re fat because they ingest more calories than they burn. There>s
no
magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces swings in blood
sugar
that makes it difficult to control one>s intake. Low-carb diets don>t
enable
one to violate laws of physics.

Our recent ancestors lived mainly on carbohydrates, but their energy
expenditures were much higher than ours. Consequently, they were
less prone to obesity than we are.

Cindy Hamilton

Don Klipstein · Guest

In article <67mk2qF2pf7sbU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed wrote:
[quote]Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
h> wrote
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com> wrote
h> wrote

But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains,
corn, and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can>t
imagine that stuff fed to anything but livestock.

Of course. What ivory tower do you live in?
Carbohydrates are the staple food of millions of Americans.

Yep. And that>s why so many Americans are so fat.

They>re fat because they ingest more calories than they burn.

Correct.

There>s no magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces
swings in blood sugar that makes it difficult to control one>s intake.

Its a bit more complicated than JUST that. The Atkins particularly
does exploit more than just that blood sugar effect.

Low-carb diets don>t enable one to violate laws of physics.

But they do see less of the calories that go into your mouth end up
being stored as fat, because of the calories used to digest the food.
[/quote]
Calories expended to digest food become heat, which offsets need of the
body to burn calories to produce heat.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

Don Klipstein · Guest

In article <67n3gpF2pjs7bU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed wrote:
[quote]Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
h> wrote
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com> wrote
h> wrote

But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of
grains, corn, and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity,
I can>t imagine that stuff fed to anything but livestock.

Of course. What ivory tower do you live in?
Carbohydrates are the staple food of millions of Americans.

Yep. And that>s why so many Americans are so fat.

They>re fat because they ingest more calories than they burn.

Correct.

There>s no magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces
swings in blood sugar that makes it difficult to control one>s intake.

Its a bit more complicated than JUST that. The Atkins
particularly does exploit more than just that blood sugar effect.

Low-carb diets don>t enable one to violate laws of physics.

But they do see less of the calories that go into your mouth end up
being stored as fat, because of the calories used to digest the food.

Calories expended to digest food become heat, which
offsets need of the body to burn calories to produce heat.

The body doesnt always need to burn calories to produce
heat, because the body doesnt always need to be heated.

And not all calories that go into the mouth are digested either.
[/quote]
The calorie labeling on food packages in the USA are normally according
to a method that takes into account digestion. That>s why fiber does not
have its calories included in the calorie count on food packages, and why
protein is counted as 4 calories per gram instead of 5.3.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

Rod Speed · Guest

Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
[quote]h> wrote
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com> wrote
h> wrote

But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains,
corn, and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can>t
imagine that stuff fed to anything but livestock.

Of course. What ivory tower do you live in?
Carbohydrates are the staple food of millions of Americans.

Yep. And that>s why so many Americans are so fat.

They>re fat because they ingest more calories than they burn.
[/quote]
Correct.

[quote]There>s no magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces
swings in blood sugar that makes it difficult to control one>s intake.
[/quote]
Its a bit more complicated than JUST that. The Atkins particularly
does exploit more than just that blood sugar effect.

[quote]Low-carb diets don>t enable one to violate laws of physics.
[/quote]
But they do see less of the calories that go into your mouth end up
being stored as fat, because of the calories used to digest the food.

[quote]Our recent ancestors lived mainly on carbohydrates, but
their energy expenditures were much higher than ours.
Consequently, they were less prone to obesity than we are.
[/quote]
Its more complicated than that too. Societys like the Japs that havent had
any higher energy expenditures than other modern first world countrys,
havent seen the same epidemic of obesity that the worlds of the modern
first world countrys have seen, even tho they do eat a rather high carb diet.
The real reason is that their consumption of western fast food is significantly
lower and they have much more of a clue about sensible portion sizes.

Don Klipstein · Guest

In article <67n86dF226pv5U1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed wrote:
[quote]Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
h> wrote
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com> wrote
h> wrote

But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains,
corn, and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can>t
imagine that stuff fed to anything but livestock.

Of course. What ivory tower do you live in?
Carbohydrates are the staple food of millions of Americans.

Yep. And that>s why so many Americans are so fat.

They>re fat because they ingest more calories than they burn.

Correct.

There>s no magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces
swings in blood sugar that makes it difficult to control one>s intake.

Its a bit more complicated than JUST that. The Atkins
particularly does exploit more than just that blood sugar effect.

Low-carb diets don>t enable one to violate laws of physics.

But they do see less of the calories that go into your mouth end up
being stored as fat, because of the calories used to digest the food.

Calories expended to digest food become heat, which
offsets need of the body to burn calories to produce heat.

The body doesnt always need to burn calories to produce
heat, because the body doesnt always need to be heated.

And not all calories that go into the mouth are digested either.

The calorie labeling on food packages in the USA are normally according
to a method that takes into account digestion. That>s why fiber does not
have its calories included in the calorie count on food packages, and why
protein is counted as 4 calories per gram instead of 5.3.

That last is a pretty crude simplification tho.
[/quote]
Actually, I meant to say metabolizability in the case of protein. The
human body does not completely oxidize it.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

Rod Speed · Guest

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
[quote]Rod Speed wrote
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
h> wrote
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com> wrote
h> wrote

But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of
grains, corn, and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity,
I can>t imagine that stuff fed to anything but livestock.

Of course. What ivory tower do you live in?
Carbohydrates are the staple food of millions of Americans.

Yep. And that>s why so many Americans are so fat.

They>re fat because they ingest more calories than they burn.

Correct.

There>s no magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces
swings in blood sugar that makes it difficult to control one>s intake.

Its a bit more complicated than JUST that. The Atkins
particularly does exploit more than just that blood sugar effect.

Low-carb diets don>t enable one to violate laws of physics.

But they do see less of the calories that go into your mouth end up
being stored as fat, because of the calories used to digest the food.

Calories expended to digest food become heat, which
offsets need of the body to burn calories to produce heat.
[/quote]
The body doesnt always need to burn calories to produce
heat, because the body doesnt always need to be heated.

And not all calories that go into the mouth are digested either.

Rod Speed · Guest

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
[quote]Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
h> wrote
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com> wrote
h> wrote

But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains,
corn, and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can>t
imagine that stuff fed to anything but livestock.

Of course. What ivory tower do you live in?
Carbohydrates are the staple food of millions of Americans.

Yep. And that>s why so many Americans are so fat.

They>re fat because they ingest more calories than they burn.

Correct.

There>s no magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces
swings in blood sugar that makes it difficult to control one>s intake.

Its a bit more complicated than JUST that. The Atkins
particularly does exploit more than just that blood sugar effect.

Low-carb diets don>t enable one to violate laws of physics.

But they do see less of the calories that go into your mouth end up
being stored as fat, because of the calories used to digest the food.

Calories expended to digest food become heat, which
offsets need of the body to burn calories to produce heat.

The body doesnt always need to burn calories to produce
heat, because the body doesnt always need to be heated.

And not all calories that go into the mouth are digested either.

The calorie labeling on food packages in the USA are normally according
to a method that takes into account digestion. That>s why fiber does not
have its calories included in the calorie count on food packages, and why
protein is counted as 4 calories per gram instead of 5.3.
[/quote]
That last is a pretty crude simplification tho.

Rod Speed · Guest

Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
[quote]Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
h> wrote
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com> wrote
h> wrote

But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of
grains, corn, and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity,
I can>t imagine that stuff fed to anything but livestock.

Of course. What ivory tower do you live in?
Carbohydrates are the staple food of millions of Americans.

Yep. And that>s why so many Americans are so fat.

They>re fat because they ingest more calories than they burn.

Correct.

There>s no magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces
swings in blood sugar that makes it difficult to control one>s intake.

Its a bit more complicated than JUST that. The Atkins
particularly does exploit more than just that blood sugar effect.

Low-carb diets don>t enable one to violate laws of physics.

But they do see less of the calories that go into your mouth end up
being stored as fat, because of the calories used to digest the food.

Calories expended to digest food become heat, which
offsets need of the body to burn calories to produce heat.

The body doesnt always need to burn calories to produce
heat, because the body doesnt always need to be heated.

And not all calories that go into the mouth are digested either.

The calorie labeling on food packages in the USA are normally according
to a method that takes into account digestion. That>s why fiber does not
have its calories included in the calorie count on food packages, and why
protein is counted as 4 calories per gram instead of 5.3.

That last is a pretty crude simplification tho.

Actually, I meant to say metabolizability in the case of protein.
The human body does not completely oxidize it.
[/quote]
Yeah, thats what I meant too, digest was a poor way to describe it.

Phred · Guest

In article <slrng1cjr2.f0e.don@manx.misty.com>, don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
[quote]In article <67mk2qF2pf7sbU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote

There>s no magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces
swings in blood sugar that makes it difficult to control one>s intake.

Its a bit more complicated than JUST that. The Atkins particularly
does exploit more than just that blood sugar effect.

Low-carb diets don>t enable one to violate laws of physics.

But they do see less of the calories that go into your mouth end up
being stored as fat, because of the calories used to digest the food.

Calories expended to digest food become heat, which offsets need of the
body to burn calories to produce heat.
[/quote]
Pity the body doesn>t have some sort of reverse cycle system -- we
could do with more coolth during the day here. :-) Hmm... maybe I
need to tan more -- black-body radiation and all that stuff. ;-)

Cheers, Phred.

--
ppnerkDELETE@THISyahoo.com.INVALID

clams_casino · Guest

Kurt Ullman wrote:

[quote]

Name one, if you would be so kind. I can>t think of any.

[/quote]

May want to try a little harder. Or does thinking make your head hurt?

Don Klipstein · Guest

In article <67o8m0F2pnndaU2@mid.individual.net>, Phred wrote:

[quote]Pity the body doesn>t have some sort of reverse cycle system -- we
could do with more coolth during the day here. :-) Hmm... maybe I
need to tan more -- black-body radiation and all that stuff. ;-)
[/quote]
Sorry, that won>t have any effect at the wavelengths emitted by human
body temperature thermal radiators.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

Phred · Guest

In article <slrng1f6hq.gkb.don@manx.misty.com>, don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
[quote]In article <67o8m0F2pnndaU2@mid.individual.net>, Phred wrote:

Pity the body doesn>t have some sort of reverse cycle system -- we
could do with more coolth during the day here. :-) Hmm... maybe I
need to tan more -- black-body radiation and all that stuff. ;-)

Sorry, that won>t have any effect at the wavelengths emitted by human
body temperature thermal radiators.
[/quote]
Bugger!

Cheers, Phred.

--
ppnerkDELETE@THISyahoo.com.INVALID

clams_casino · Guest

Bob Eld wrote:

[quote]
BTW, when was the last time you put any ethanol in your SUV?

About an hour ago. From what I recall, all gasoline is New England[/quote]
has 10% ethanol.

frank87 · Guest

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On 2008-04-25, aspasia <aspasia> expressed:
[quote]On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:43:34 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

The low carb craze has increased grain demands by increasing demand for
livestock. Ethanol demand came in time to rescue grain farmers from the
decline of the low carb craze.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

Or rather corn ethanol demand was craftily engineered by influential
agribusinessmen in certain "heartland" states, shoveling out their
contributions to our beloved Congress-whores. They did not care what
ripple effects this would create in the Third World, where people are
now starving. Effects even felt in our neighbor to the South, where
the price of corn went through the ceiling, affecting tortillas -- a
standard food, like wheat bread in the States.
[/quote]
The farmers needed a higher price (just like the Mexican farmers). They
should have raised the price this way, before they bankrupted the
Mexican farmers.

Greetings,
Frank


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