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Androcles · Guest

The buzzword for the month: "confidence".
Nobody has any confidence in the banks or the government,
hence we have a crisis.

What does this have to do with science?
I>m still confident that two plus two equals four, the rest of the
crank theories depends on your confidence.

Guest · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: Re: Financial crisis

On Oct 7, 8:29 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
[quote]The buzzword for the month: "confidence".
Nobody has any confidence in the banks or the government,
hence we have a crisis.

What does this have to do with science?
I>m still confident that two plus two equals four, the rest of the
crank theories depends on your confidence.
[/quote]
science has nothing to do with not being to access your atms in the
future tho

gabydewilde · Guest

Browns gas is made in a common ducted electrolyzer. The gas is a
stable "mixture" of di-atomic and mon-atomic hydrogen and oxygen with
a higher energy state than diatomic hydrogen.

http://www.eagle-research.com/browngas/whatisbg/whatis.html

The water molecules are not totally separated, they are still 'held
under a pressure', causing the water molecules to behave differently.

http://www.nottaughtinschools.com/Yull-Brown/Free-Energy-Interview.html

Oxyethylene can achieve a temperature of 6300 degrees Fahrenheit but
it takes over 10,500 degrees Fahrenheit to sublimate Tungsten.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ0yQKl6M-Q

Burn temperature depends on the target material rather than the flame
itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHwM-tguyfM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1df1TLB-PAU
As the gas produces 1860 liters of gas per liter of water

http://www.eagle-research.com/browngas/whatisbg/watergas.html
Browns gas eliminates many of the disadvantages associated with
conventional gas welding like dangerous oxy-acetylene bottles, it is
inexpensively, doesn>t pollute the atmosphere.
Brown>s Gas can efficiently neutralize radioactive waste though
transmutation right at the reactor

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=411405755714495752

http://pacenet.homestead.com/Transmutation.html

http://clean-nuclear-energy.go-here.nl/

http://www.eagle-research.com/browngas/fabuses/possib.html

The DOE argued 1) "the radioactivity was encapsulated in the sample",
but the sample was crushed and the Geiger counter reading was the
same. They argued 2) "the radioactivity must be disparaged into the
atmosphere" while the department of health preformed in depth
investigation of the environment. This much to the frustration of the
nuclear physicist preforming the research for it suggested their
incompetence. The laboratory was not closed clearly indicating no
radioactivity was found in or around the building. In stead (after 3
months) the government payroll advanced to the claim they had seen
nothing.

Yull brown converted various cars to run on Browns gas and/or a
mixture of gasoline and Browns gas. A simple technology hobbyists
still apply today.

Stanley Meyer found a way to make the gas though even cheaper means.

____
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress

Guest · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: Re: Financial crisis

On Oct 7, 9:02 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
[quote]claire.be...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:39512470-9440-45b9-beca-cbf69570a186@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 7, 8:29 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:

The buzzword for the month: "confidence".
Nobody has any confidence in the banks or the government,
hence we have a crisis.

What does this have to do with science?
I>m still confident that two plus two equals four, the rest of the
crank theories depends on your confidence.

science has nothing to do with not being to access your atms in the
future tho
============================================> What do you need an atms for tho, cretin (missing question mark implied).
[/quote]
how do you pay for internet or do you access it from the public library

Guest · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: Re: Financial crisis

On Oct 7, 9:36 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
[quote]claire.be...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:e73950d0-a078-4726-ae9b-17dedbcdf5f0@w13g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 7, 9:02 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:

claire.be...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:39512470-9440-45b9-beca-cbf69570a186@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com....
On Oct 7, 8:29 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:

The buzzword for the month: "confidence".
Nobody has any confidence in the banks or the government,
hence we have a crisis.

What does this have to do with science?
I>m still confident that two plus two equals four, the rest of the
crank theories depends on your confidence.

science has nothing to do with not being to access your atms in the
future tho
============================================> > What do you need an atms for tho, cretin (missing question mark implied).

how do you pay for internet or do you access it from the public library
==============================================> when I have the money and I do

Was that a fuckin' question, dork?

how do you pay for your english education or do you access it from
the public library if so learn punctuation you stupid cretin
http://www.correctpunctuation.co.uk/- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
oh cool a 12 yr old spawn calling ppl cretins

gabydewilde · Guest

Androcles wrote:
What does this have to do with science?

claire wrote:
how do you pay for internet or do you access it from the public
library

Androcles wrote:
when I have the money and I do

Gaby de Wilde wrote:
it>s not worth every penny

Androcles · Guest

<claire.beige@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:39512470-9440-45b9-beca-cbf69570a186@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 7, 8:29 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
[quote]The buzzword for the month: "confidence".
Nobody has any confidence in the banks or the government,
hence we have a crisis.

What does this have to do with science?
I>m still confident that two plus two equals four, the rest of the
crank theories depends on your confidence.
[/quote]
science has nothing to do with not being to access your atms in the
future tho
=============================================
What do you need an atms for tho, cretin (missing question mark implied).

Androcles · Guest

<claire.beige@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e73950d0-a078-4726-ae9b-17dedbcdf5f0@w13g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 7, 9:02 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
[quote]claire.be...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:39512470-9440-45b9-beca-cbf69570a186@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 7, 8:29 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:

The buzzword for the month: "confidence".
Nobody has any confidence in the banks or the government,
hence we have a crisis.

What does this have to do with science?
I>m still confident that two plus two equals four, the rest of the
crank theories depends on your confidence.

science has nothing to do with not being to access your atms in the
future tho
=============================================
What do you need an atms for tho, cretin (missing question mark implied).
[/quote]
how do you pay for internet or do you access it from the public library
===============================================
when I have the money and I do

Was that a fuckin' question, dork?

how do you pay for your english education or do you access it from
the public library if so learn punctuation you stupid cretin
http://www.correctpunctuation.co.uk/

doug · Guest

gabydewilde wrote:

[quote]Browns gas is made in a common ducted electrolyzer. The gas is a
stable "mixture" of di-atomic and mon-atomic hydrogen and oxygen with
a higher energy state than diatomic hydrogen.
[/quote]
Mono atomic hydrogen transforms in to diatomic hydrogen in
nanoseconds. Thus your statement is false.
[quote]
http://www.eagle-research.com/browngas/whatisbg/whatis.html

The water molecules are not totally separated, they are still 'held
under a pressure', causing the water molecules to behave differently.

http://www.nottaughtinschools.com/Yull-Brown/Free-Energy-Interview.html
[/quote]
If they are not totally separated, then you have H20 which is normal
water. If they are separated, you have H2 and O2. There is no other
choice.
[quote]
Oxyethylene can achieve a temperature of 6300 degrees Fahrenheit but
it takes over 10,500 degrees Fahrenheit to sublimate Tungsten.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ0yQKl6M-Q

Burn temperature depends on the target material rather than the flame
itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHwM-tguyfM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1df1TLB-PAU
As the gas produces 1860 liters of gas per liter of water
[/quote]
Yes, consisting of H2 and O2.
[quote]
http://www.eagle-research.com/browngas/whatisbg/watergas.html
Browns gas eliminates many of the disadvantages associated with
conventional gas welding like dangerous oxy-acetylene bottles, it is
inexpensively, doesn>t pollute the atmosphere.
[/quote]
It is horribly dangerous as hydrogen and oxygen mixtures are
very explosive.

[quote]Brown>s Gas can efficiently neutralize radioactive waste though
transmutation right at the reactor
[/quote]
This is a complete joke. It does not happen. Read any nuclear
physics book and you will see why.
[quote]
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=411405755714495752

http://pacenet.homestead.com/Transmutation.html

http://clean-nuclear-energy.go-here.nl/

http://www.eagle-research.com/browngas/fabuses/possib.html
[/quote]
This is probably the funniest thing you have ever referenced.
The claims in here are beyond unbelievable.
[quote]
The DOE argued 1) "the radioactivity was encapsulated in the sample",
but the sample was crushed and the Geiger counter reading was the
same. They argued 2) "the radioactivity must be disparaged into the
atmosphere" while the department of health preformed in depth
investigation of the environment. This much to the frustration of the
nuclear physicist preforming the research for it suggested their
incompetence. The laboratory was not closed clearly indicating no
radioactivity was found in or around the building. In stead (after 3
months) the government payroll advanced to the claim they had seen
nothing.

Yull brown converted various cars to run on Browns gas and/or a
mixture of gasoline and Browns gas. A simple technology hobbyists
still apply today.

Stanley Meyer found a way to make the gas though even cheaper means.
[/quote]
No, Meyer found a way to separate fools from their money.
[quote]
____
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress[/quote]

Yevgen Barsukov · Guest

On Oct 7, 7:29 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
[quote]The buzzword for the month: "confidence".
Nobody has any confidence in the banks or the government,
hence we have a crisis.

What does this have to do with science?
I>m still confident that two plus two equals four, the rest of the
crank theories depends on your confidence.
[/quote]
The interesting question is if the financial system (and economy as a
whole)
can be seen "outside" like we see a chemical reaction. That would
allow to
define some general extensive quantities similar to entropy,
temperature etc,
and than finally come up with a control theory that would make
managing
the system stable and with minimal possible fluctuations.

I wonder if such economy wide control theory exists, and if guys
on top like Paulsen and Bernake have a strong intuitive understanding
on it (and a bunch of guys on the back-side that are crunching the
equations).

What frustrates me in all discussion of the crisis is that everyone is
focusing
on what happens with the "money" forgetting that it is only "tool" to
facilitate economy functioning and can not provide any independent
reference frame. It can tell you who has more
and who have less "equivalent resources" but it can not tell you how
much total
resources are available, how fast total resources are growing. The
system is operating
only with money without any external hard calibration possibility, no
wonder it is unstable.

Anybody aware of research on overall operation of economy that does
not relay on money
or allows money independent referencing to something physical?

Regards,
Yevgen

Bill Penrose · Guest

On Oct 9, 7:48 am, Yevgen Barsukov <evgen...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]The interesting question is if the financial system (and economy as a
whole)
can be seen "outside" like we see a chemical reaction.
[/quote]
Economists have been striving for generations to have their discipline
called a 'science', but no matter how sophisticated their models, it
still boils down to necromancy, fortune telling, and politically
motived wild guesses. Even weather prediction is more reliable.

Dangerous Bill '

Yevgen Barsukov · Guest

On Oct 9, 11:49 am, Bill Penrose <dangerousb...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 9, 7:48 am, Yevgen Barsukov <evgen...@gmail.com> wrote:

The interesting question is if the financial system (and economy as a
whole)
can be seen "outside" like we see a chemical reaction.

Economists have been striving for generations to have their discipline
called a 'science', but no matter how sophisticated their models, it
still boils down to necromancy, fortune telling, and politically
motived wild guesses. Even weather prediction is more reliable.

Dangerous Bill '
[/quote]
I can see that big component of uncertainty related to modeling of
"physical" growth
is the mood of population.

Just for example, lets look at product manufacturing.
On one side, mood of consumers defines how much of produced goods they
purchase,
which in turn influences decisions of the factory owners how much of
them
to manufacture.
On the other side, mood of investors causes them to support building
of
more or less factories, which also affects how much products will be
manufactured.

Why all of this is a problem for the system as a whole? The funny
thing is, slowing
of growth is NOT inherently a problem! Algae slows growing if sun-
light conditions
are bad. Cell colonies slow growing due to internal cycles without any
external influence.
Even our children don>t grow as fast during particular time of the day
as they grow in other time. It is completely normal that such an
organism as "human economy" has certain cyclical accelerations or slow-
downs.

So why the panic and dooms-day predictions? Above picture should calm
it all down?

Well, one problem is that amount of money used in the system is
allocated not only
for trading actual "resources", but also for trading ESTIMATES how
resources are going
to grow (this includes derivatives, stocks, different debth
obligations). So now when growth slows down, suddenly traded Estimated
Resources disappear (as in stock-market crash), but money don>t. Now
we have too much money that does not correspond to any real resources.
It is a "slow-down inflation".

Can we take this "mood" as one of the objective physical external
variables of the system "economy", and use it to regulate
correspondence of available money to actual resources and growth
estimates? This would appear to be able to predict the needs for money
emission/contraction rather than react on what is happening with some
arbitrarily
chosen reference set of goods which prices are monitored to evaluate
inflation.

Regards,
Yevgen

Borked Pseudo Mailed · Guest

[quote]The interesting question is if the financial system (and
economy as a whole) can be seen "outside" like we see a
chemical reaction.

Economists have been striving for generations to have their
discipline called a 'science', but no matter how sophisticated
their models, it still boils down to necromancy, fortune
telling, and politically motived wild guesses. Even weather
prediction is more reliable.
[/quote]
There should be NO Nobel Prize for Economics this year. They
should give the Economics Prize to Douglas Prasher, the guy
who isolated and cloned the GFP gene that led to the Nobel
Prize in Chemistry for Shimomura, Chalfie and Tsien.

According to the news reports, Prasher, unable to find a job
or funding in science, is driving a truck in Georgia.

http://scienceblogs.com/terrasig/2008/10/nobel_prize_heartbreak.php
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95545761

"Because of funding shortfalls from both NIH and the USDA, Dr Prasher
is currently driving a courtesy shuttle for a Huntsville, Alabama,
automobile dealership."

gabydewilde · Guest

On Oct 10, 5:53 am, Borked Pseudo Mailed <nob...@pseudo.borked.net>
wrote:
[quote]The interesting question is if the financial system (and
economy as a whole) can be seen "outside" like we see a
chemical reaction.

Economists have been striving for generations to have their
discipline called a 'science', but no matter how sophisticated
their models, it still boils down to necromancy, fortune
telling, and politically motived wild guesses. Even weather
prediction is more reliable.

There should be NO Nobel Prize for Economics this year. They
should give the Economics Prize to Douglas Prasher, the guy
who isolated and cloned the GFP gene that led to the Nobel
Prize in Chemistry for Shimomura, Chalfie and Tsien.

According to the news reports, Prasher, unable to find a job
or funding in science, is driving a truck in Georgia.

http://scienceblogs.com/terrasig/2008/10/nobel_prize_heartbreak.phphttp://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95545761

"Because of funding shortfalls from both NIH and the USDA, Dr Prasher
is currently driving a courtesy shuttle for a Huntsville, Alabama,
automobile dealership."
[/quote]
But any good textbook will tell you that the economytron is curved in
putspace while the corporatrons propagate at $ = (J\C^$B1_(B/EURO

This is because of the big bank, the stockytrino>s create the
externalitytrons that can be divided in fractures. As you know the
Conversation of monoplitry drops off at the square of the petrosuv
defined by Larry Silvester in 1204.

In any case it clearly shows you are wrong about everything.

____
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress

Androcles · Guest

"Yevgen Barsukov" <evgenijb@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:df4ba1a6-7a79-49bc-ae70-156cb26f9e7f@a18g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 7, 7:29 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
[quote]The buzzword for the month: "confidence".
Nobody has any confidence in the banks or the government,
hence we have a crisis.

What does this have to do with science?
I>m still confident that two plus two equals four, the rest of the
crank theories depends on your confidence.
[/quote]
The interesting question is if the financial system (and economy as a
whole)
can be seen "outside" like we see a chemical reaction. That would
allow to
define some general extensive quantities similar to entropy,
temperature etc,
and than finally come up with a control theory that would make
managing
the system stable and with minimal possible fluctuations.

I wonder if such economy wide control theory exists, and if guys
on top like Paulsen and Bernake have a strong intuitive understanding
on it (and a bunch of guys on the back-side that are crunching the
equations).

What frustrates me in all discussion of the crisis is that everyone is
focusing
on what happens with the "money" forgetting that it is only "tool" to
facilitate economy functioning and can not provide any independent
reference frame. It can tell you who has more
and who have less "equivalent resources" but it can not tell you how
much total
resources are available, how fast total resources are growing. The
system is operating
only with money without any external hard calibration possibility, no
wonder it is unstable.

Anybody aware of research on overall operation of economy that does
not relay on money
or allows money independent referencing to something physical?

Regards,
Yevgen
===================================
The tool to facilitate economic functioning is a catalyst.
Nobody needs or wants money, all we want is the goods and
services it buys; and it is we, the people, that provide the
goods and services. Money is merely the measure of our
endeavours.
He who controls the catalyst controls the economy.
Need is wanting what you have and I do not.
Greed is wanting what you have and I want more than you.
Economy, aka trade, is sharing what we both have.
You scratch my back and I>ll scratch yours, but someone
has to be first and that>s trust.
When too much money is in the system all you really get
is inflation. Nobody wants Zimbabwean dollars because
they cannot buy Zimbabwean goods and services, and
unless Zimbabwe provides goods and services they cannot
earn pounds, roubles, rupees, dollars or yen to buy the goods
and services of other nations. They cannot even feed themselves.
Rhodesia was once a thriving economy. Today it has a new
name and a greedy controller. Mugabe cannot be trusted,
he will not scratch our back. Instead he rails against Britain
and harps on the past. Britain will get its back scratched by
many others that we trust. War and revolution are the solution
to a greedy catalyst controller and his gang of criminal thugs.


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