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Fred Kasner · Guest

knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
[quote]On Oct 7, 3:04 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Oct 7, 12:40 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
gdewi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 7, 8:31 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
The patents are free now.
A correct observation.
There is a need. But nothing shows up in the market.

You think it takes 5 minutes?
You>ve been watching too much TV and are a spoiled little FUCKER.

They would have been "on the market"years ago if Meyer wasn>t
"poisoned."

The point of the post was to show some patents.
They are out there for free and no one is interested.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Now you know how man people have looked at Meyer>s patents for the
LAST 20+ YEARS and you KNOW that "no one is interested."
You are a FUCKING WIZARD.

Pretty good proof it does not work.

Let>s see.
If "no one" according to YOU, is "interested" according to YOU, then
it "doesn>t work" according to YOU.

FUCKING BRILLIANT.
Where did you say you got you degree?

Pretty good proof of deductive reasoning.
Amen.

It is also interesting that these folks pushing this have never built one themselves. That is somehow our responsibility in their minds.

Proof of you ludicrous claim?

Just HOW IN THE f ck DO YOU KNOW I>M NOT ONE OF THESE GUYS?

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lawton+cell&search_type=
Nice try but that what I build wouldn>t be more credible than
everything readily available to you.
You would then find out that it did not work. It is not our
responsibility to do this work to show you that the laws of
physics are in good condition and meyer did nothing to break
them.
http://www.biosmeanslife.com
http://www.ecotube.co.nz
Note the use of the future tense in their blurbs. They have nothing to
show.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/bc38645c8dc05b...
On Jun 4, 5:19 am, "gdewi...@gmail.com" <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/dominionpost/4235639a6479.html
Bios Fuel began with a concept in 1996, as founder Steve Ryan was
tinkering with an old motorbike engine in an Auckland garage. He
started to believe that burning the hydrogen contained in water in a
combustion engine was not just science fiction. In 2002 he left a
finance career to focus on researching the concept.
On May 23, 7:33 pm, "gdewi...@gmail.com" <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Whilst completing the 2007 World Solar Challenge, the Bios Fuel team
raised enough funds for ChildFund NZ to install Safe Water Facilities
in 3 schools in India. Safe drinking water is a major problem in
developing countries such as India. The safe drinking water facility
for the schools will contribute to minimising water borne diseases
caused from drinking and using dirty water. Water borne diseases cause
1 out of every 4 deaths in children around the world, that’s 5,000
deaths a day.
Among his inventions Steve Ryan has developed a process by which his
stock Suzuki 350cc motorcycle runs on regular tap water.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW_LQqJk740
Yes, youtube, a noted scientific journal.
The homepage:http://www.biosmeanslife.com/home.html
Some coverage:http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0711/S00017.htm
This was a year ago and they were to have plants up before the
end of 2007. If it worked, they would be rich.
A quick rundown on the water fuel topic.http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
Looking at xogen for example we do have the means of giving everyone
drinking water the moment we want to.
http://xogen.ca
On May 23, 8:24 pm, gaby de wilde <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:>http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0711/S00017.htm
As part of the Greenfleet Class of the Panasonic World Solar Challenge
2007 New Zealand company Bios Fuel Corporation has demonstrated what
many believe to be the impossible - running a virtually unmodified
diesel engine on their H2W+ fuel blend comprising of 40% Water and 60%
Waste Mineral oil for 3000 kilometres across the Australian Desert.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:BiosFuel
New Zealand inventor, Steve Ryan, claims to have devised a method of
using water used as fuel directly, in contrast to using water as a
source of Hydrogen, which then serves as the combustable fuel. More
recently, the company has developed a proprietary catalyst that
enables water to mix with waste oil to provide fuel. The mixtures are
in process of being tested by the EPA in the U.S., the results of
which are expected in January or February of 2008.
Well, it is past January or February of 2008. You seem unaware that
water is the ash that you get when you burn hydrogen. The bond energy
has been removed. Catalysts cannot change the enthalpy.
"Natural water" is charged ash that has static, photon, and vacuum
energy within.
The only energy that matters is the chemical energy and the
available energy has been removed. The other items mentioned
are just meyers fraud images.

(transcribed as written)
Dec. 14, 96
Dear Mr. Meyer,
thank you kindly for your envoy.
The enclosures will certainly interest you.
I may also attract your attention to the last two
brochores of
this association, Nos. 33 and 34, in which I refer
to the tested
overunity effect of your technology. These will be
available as
copies from the A. Keith Brewer Sc. Library. (see
enclosure_)
We are now preparing for the EXPO 2000 World
exhibition in
Hannover, June thru October, 2000.
We will present there the modalities of the
conversion of
Vacuum Field Energy on which also your proceedure
is based
on. You are highly welcomed to present your
technology
there, along with others.
Please let us stay in close contact for this
perticular reason.
About 40 Mio. people are expected to come.!!
With my best regards,
Sincerely
(Dr. H. A. Nieper)
President, The German Association of Vacuum field
Energy
JW has a copy of the original letter.
http://www.rense.com/general82/wtr1.htm
http://www.rense.com/general82/wtr2.htm
But you guys know more that Dr Nieper right????????????????
Yes we do. This was 12 years ago and nothing has happened. If it
were real, we would buy them in Walmart. You seem to miss the
point, if it were valuable people would use it to make billions
of dollars. It is free and no one wants it. That is because it
does not work.

Dorks, dorks, dorks, dorks,....
If it looks like a Dork, and acts like a Dork, ...it is a DORK.

[/quote]
So now, you are no longer telling us that Meyer (as some reported)
claimed he wsa poisoned. Now you repeat is as truth (without any
evidence presented at all) that Meyer was poisoned. More of your
unprovable assertions.
FK

Guest

On Oct 8, 4:27 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
[quote]gdewi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 7, 8:31 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
The patents are free now.

A correct observation.

There is a need. But nothing shows up in the market.

The point of the post was to show some patents.

Pretty good proof it does not work.

Pretty good proof of deductive reasoning.

It is also interesting that these folks pushing this have never built one themselves. That is somehow our responsibility in their minds.

Nice try but that what I build wouldn>t be more credible than
everything readily available to you.

http://www.biosmeanslife.com
http://www.ecotube.co.nz

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/bc38645c8dc05b...
On Jun 4, 5:19 am, "gdewi...@gmail.com" <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/dominionpost/4235639a6479.html
Bios Fuel began with a concept in 1996, as founder Steve Ryan was
tinkering with an old motorbike engine in an Auckland garage. He
started to believe that burning the hydrogen contained in water in a
combustion engine was not just science fiction. In 2002 he left a
finance career to focus on researching the concept.

On May 23, 7:33 pm, "gdewi...@gmail.com" <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Whilst completing the 2007 World Solar Challenge, the Bios Fuel team
raised enough funds for ChildFund NZ to install Safe Water Facilities
in 3 schools in India. Safe drinking water is a major problem in
developing countries such as India. The safe drinking water facility
for the schools will contribute to minimising water borne diseases
caused from drinking and using dirty water. Water borne diseases cause
1 out of every 4 deaths in children around the world, that’s 5,000
deaths a day.
Among his inventions Steve Ryan has developed a process by which his
stock Suzuki 350cc motorcycle runs on regular tap water.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW_LQqJk740
The homepage:http://www.biosmeanslife.com/home.html
Some coverage:http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0711/S00017.htm
A quick rundown on the water fuel topic.http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
Looking at xogen for example we do have the means of giving everyone
drinking water the moment we want to.
http://xogen.ca
On May 23, 8:24 pm, gaby de wilde <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:>http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0711/S00017.htm
As part of the Greenfleet Class of the Panasonic World Solar Challenge
2007 New Zealand company Bios Fuel Corporation has demonstrated what
many believe to be the impossible - running a virtually unmodified
diesel engine on their H2W+ fuel blend comprising of 40% Water and 60%
Waste Mineral oil for 3000 kilometres across the Australian Desert.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:BiosFuel
New Zealand inventor, Steve Ryan, claims to have devised a method of
using water used as fuel directly, in contrast to using water as a
source of Hydrogen, which then serves as the combustable fuel. More
recently, the company has developed a proprietary catalyst that
enables water to mix with waste oil to provide fuel. The mixtures are
in process of being tested by the EPA in the U.S., the results of
which are expected in January or February of 2008.

And here it is October of 2008! What were the results? Positive? If so
we sure could use it immediately. Is the EPA hiding the results. Of
course Bush>s minions are well known for suppressing science. But what a
coup for the Bush administration to announce they had solved the high
price of petroleum problem. They wouldn>t miss that. What is your opinion?
FK
[/quote]
Why would Bush and his oil soaked cabal of New World Orderists that
are MAKING BILLIONS off their WAR MACHINE, who>s DOCUMENTED agenda is
DEPOPULATION of the planet, want YOU to have "free" energy?

Why don>t you read about the Agenda of the CFR?
Check the part about a "manageable population."
Why do you think the "schools" are dumbing down everyone?
Why do you think they built a fiat money system owned and controlled
by Zionist Banksters which is PURPOSE BUILT TO FAIL is falling apart
as we speak?
Why do you think Rosthchild wouldn>t give Meyer the financing he
needed to get his work established?
I>ll tell you.
Because Meyer wouldn>t remove his "Christ is Lord' off his materials
and machines.

You think Bush and his Satanic friends are looking out for you and me?

You are a bigger fool than I thought.

gabydewilde · Guest

On Oct 9, 1:32 am, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
[quote]knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:04 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Oct 7, 12:40 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
gdewi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 7, 8:31 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
The patents are free now.
A correct observation.
There is a need. But nothing shows up in the market.

You think it takes 5 minutes?
You>ve been watching too much TV and are a spoiled little FUCKER.

They would have been "on the market"years ago if Meyer wasn>t
"poisoned."

The point of the post was to show some patents.
They are out there for free and no one is interested.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Now you know how man people have looked at Meyer>s patents for the
LAST 20+ YEARS and you KNOW that "no one is interested."
You are a FUCKING WIZARD.

Pretty good proof it does not work.

Let>s see.
If "no one" according to YOU, is "interested" according to YOU, then
it "doesn>t work" according to YOU.

FUCKING BRILLIANT.
Where did you say you got you degree?

Pretty good proof of deductive reasoning.
Amen.

It is also interesting that these folks pushing this have never built one themselves. That is somehow our responsibility in their minds.

Proof of you ludicrous claim?

Just HOW IN THE f ck DO YOU KNOW I>M NOT ONE OF THESE GUYS?

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lawton+cell&search_type> >>>>> Nice try but that what I build wouldn>t be more credible than
everything readily available to you.
You would then find out that it did not work. It is not our
responsibility to do this work to show you that the laws of
physics are in good condition and meyer did nothing to break
them.
http://www.biosmeanslife.com
http://www.ecotube.co.nz
Note the use of the future tense in their blurbs. They have nothing to
show.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/bc38645c8dc05b...
On Jun 4, 5:19 am, "gdewi...@gmail.com" <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/dominionpost/4235639a6479.html
Bios Fuel began with a concept in 1996, as founder Steve Ryan was
tinkering with an old motorbike engine in an Auckland garage. He
started to believe that burning the hydrogen contained in water in a
combustion engine was not just science fiction. In 2002 he left a
finance career to focus on researching the concept.
On May 23, 7:33 pm, "gdewi...@gmail.com" <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Whilst completing the 2007 World Solar Challenge, the Bios Fuel team
raised enough funds for ChildFund NZ to install Safe Water Facilities
in 3 schools in India. Safe drinking water is a major problem in
developing countries such as India. The safe drinking water facility
for the schools will contribute to minimising water borne diseases
caused from drinking and using dirty water. Water borne diseases cause
1 out of every 4 deaths in children around the world, that’s 5,000
deaths a day.
Among his inventions Steve Ryan has developed a process by which his
stock Suzuki 350cc motorcycle runs on regular tap water.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW_LQqJk740
Yes, youtube, a noted scientific journal.
The homepage:http://www.biosmeanslife.com/home.html
Some coverage:http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0711/S00017.htm
This was a year ago and they were to have plants up before the
end of 2007. If it worked, they would be rich.
A quick rundown on the water fuel topic.http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
Looking at xogen for example we do have the means of giving everyone
drinking water the moment we want to.
http://xogen.ca
On May 23, 8:24 pm, gaby de wilde <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:>http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0711/S00017.htm
As part of the Greenfleet Class of the Panasonic World Solar Challenge
2007 New Zealand company Bios Fuel Corporation has demonstrated what
many believe to be the impossible - running a virtually unmodified
diesel engine on their H2W+ fuel blend comprising of 40% Water and 60%
Waste Mineral oil for 3000 kilometres across the Australian Desert.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:BiosFuel
New Zealand inventor, Steve Ryan, claims to have devised a method of
using water used as fuel directly, in contrast to using water as a
source of Hydrogen, which then serves as the combustable fuel. More
recently, the company has developed a proprietary catalyst that
enables water to mix with waste oil to provide fuel. The mixtures are
in process of being tested by the EPA in the U.S., the results of
which are expected in January or February of 2008.
Well, it is past January or February of 2008. You seem unaware that
water is the ash that you get when you burn hydrogen. The bond energy
has been removed. Catalysts cannot change the enthalpy.
"Natural water" is charged ash that has static, photon, and vacuum
energy within.
The only energy that matters is the chemical energy and the
available energy has been removed. The other items mentioned
are just meyers fraud images.

(transcribed as written)
Dec. 14, 96
Dear Mr. Meyer,
thank you kindly for your envoy.
The enclosures will certainly interest you.
I may also attract your attention to the last two
brochores of
this association, Nos. 33 and 34, in which I refer
to the tested
overunity effect of your technology. These will be
available as
copies from the A. Keith Brewer Sc. Library. (see
enclosure_)
We are now preparing for the EXPO 2000 World
exhibition in
Hannover, June thru October, 2000.
We will present there the modalities of the
conversion of
Vacuum Field Energy on which also your proceedure
is based
on. You are highly welcomed to present your
technology
there, along with others.
Please let us stay in close contact for this
perticular reason.
About 40 Mio. people are expected to come.!!
With my best regards,
Sincerely
(Dr. H. A. Nieper)
President, The German Association of Vacuum field
Energy
JW has a copy of the original letter.
http://www.rense.com/general82/wtr1.htm
http://www.rense.com/general82/wtr2.htm
But you guys know more that Dr Nieper right????????????????
Yes we do. This was 12 years ago and nothing has happened. If it
were real, we would buy them in Walmart. You seem to miss the
point, if it were valuable people would use it to make billions
of dollars. It is free and no one wants it. That is because it
does not work.

Dorks, dorks, dorks, dorks,....
If it looks like a Dork, and acts like a Dork, ...it is a DORK.

So now, you are no longer telling us that Meyer (as some reported)
claimed he wsa poisoned. Now you repeat is as truth (without any
evidence presented at all) that Meyer was poisoned. More of your
unprovable assertions.
FK
[/quote]
Where is your contribution Fred Professor?

Make me read hogwash?

Why are you writing this, I really want to know now.

Do you earn a lot of money with the smear campaine?

Is it worth killing everyone?

Who gets the best pay? You, Don Lancaster, Doug or rabbit man?

_____
http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/stanley-allan-meyer/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/6
http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/Yull-Brown/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/9
http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/garrett-carburetor/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/5
http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/water-fueled-car/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/2
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress
http://wind-car.go-here.nl/

Guest

On Oct 9, 6:28 am, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:40:09 +0100, Eeyore

rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Bill Snyder wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
doug wrote:
gdewi...@gmail.com wrote:
doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:

[snip disinfo 101]

Snip what you want but you are unable to show that
Meyer was not a fraud and you are too lazy to even
build one of his cells. Or is it that you know it
does not work?

He said he was building one only a few months back IIRC.

Oh, btw, you know how Meyer fooled reporters and the like ? Don
Lancaster knows this too. He used common or garden cheap electric meters
to measure voltages and currents. Yet his alleged process requires high
frequencies. These cheap meters 'under-read' high frequencies and pulse
waveforms, so he created a plausible fraud by simply under-reading the
input power.

It>s as simple as that. And kids are still doing it today with the same
cheap meters instead of lab grade equipment and then claiming positive
results.

Same thing the Griggs bunch did, then, using power monitors with
probes designed for 60 Hz on a switching power supply.

This is a new one on me. Do you have a link or whatever ?

Actually, it>s a rather old one; I remember the infamous Jed
Rothwell touting this particular "over unity" device on the
CompuServe Sci/Math forum back around the mid-90>s. I did manage
to turn this up, and there are probably others if you want to
bother searching:

http://www.rexresearch.com/griggs/griggs.htm

--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]
[/quote]
The Apparatus for Heating Fluids United States Patent 5,188,090 James
L. Griggs, works I have seen it heating large company buildings and it
cut there heating bills I think in half.

Eeyore · Guest

doug wrote:

[quote]Eeyore wrote:
doug wrote:
gdewilde@gmail.com wrote:
doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:

[snip disinfo 101]

Snip what you want but you are unable to show that
Meyer was not a fraud and you are too lazy to even
build one of his cells. Or is it that you know it
does not work?

He said he was building one only a few months back IIRC.

Oh, btw, you know how Meyer fooled reporters and the like ? Don
Lancaster knows this too. He used common or garden cheap electric meters
to measure voltages and currents. Yet his alleged process requires high
frequencies. These cheap meters 'under-read' high frequencies and pulse
waveforms, so he created a plausible fraud by simply under-reading the
input power.

It>s as simple as that. And kids are still doing it today with the same
cheap meters instead of lab grade equipment and then claiming positive
results.

The danger of digital readouts and calculators is that the people
assume all of the digits must mean something.
[/quote]
Yes, they assume it must be right because something 'technical' is giving that
reading, even though they don>t understand the use in this instance of
inappropriate technology.

[quote]The measuring methods for this experiment require some expertise.
[/quote]
Indeed. Like true RMS meters and wide measuring bandwidth.

[quote]Of course,
Meyer was looking to defraud people so he intentionally did
bad measurements. Since his stuff never worked if someone
competent was looking, there also had to be some intentional
additional fraud involved like extra gas lines feeding into
the appartatus. It is interesting to see how worked up people
get about these kind of claims. The level of paranoia is
amazing.
[/quote]
It is truly astonishing. All the more so because if it worked at least ONE
company would be making billions from making and selling them.

Graham

Eeyore · Guest

Bill Snyder wrote:

[quote]Eeyore wrote:
doug wrote:
gdewilde@gmail.com wrote:
doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:

[snip disinfo 101]

Snip what you want but you are unable to show that
Meyer was not a fraud and you are too lazy to even
build one of his cells. Or is it that you know it
does not work?

He said he was building one only a few months back IIRC.

Oh, btw, you know how Meyer fooled reporters and the like ? Don
Lancaster knows this too. He used common or garden cheap electric meters
to measure voltages and currents. Yet his alleged process requires high
frequencies. These cheap meters 'under-read' high frequencies and pulse
waveforms, so he created a plausible fraud by simply under-reading the
input power.

It>s as simple as that. And kids are still doing it today with the same
cheap meters instead of lab grade equipment and then claiming positive
results.

Same thing the Griggs bunch did, then, using power monitors with
probes designed for 60 Hz on a switching power supply.
[/quote]
This is a new one on me. Do you have a link or whatever ?

Graham

Eeyore · Guest

doug wrote:

[quote]knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lawton+cell&search_type=

This is a video, not a test. Where are the results?
[/quote]
They go "ooh look it fizzes" and that>s all the proof they apparently need. Why bother with measurements and publishing results ? It>s a bit like a
religion isn>t it ? What is it they ? 'Proof denies faith' I think therfore they must never find proof or their religion will crumble.

Graham

Bill Snyder · Guest

On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:40:09 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

[quote]

Bill Snyder wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
doug wrote:
gdewilde@gmail.com wrote:
doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:

[snip disinfo 101]

Snip what you want but you are unable to show that
Meyer was not a fraud and you are too lazy to even
build one of his cells. Or is it that you know it
does not work?

He said he was building one only a few months back IIRC.

Oh, btw, you know how Meyer fooled reporters and the like ? Don
Lancaster knows this too. He used common or garden cheap electric meters
to measure voltages and currents. Yet his alleged process requires high
frequencies. These cheap meters 'under-read' high frequencies and pulse
waveforms, so he created a plausible fraud by simply under-reading the
input power.

It>s as simple as that. And kids are still doing it today with the same
cheap meters instead of lab grade equipment and then claiming positive
results.

Same thing the Griggs bunch did, then, using power monitors with
probes designed for 60 Hz on a switching power supply.

This is a new one on me. Do you have a link or whatever ?
[/quote]
Actually, it>s a rather old one; I remember the infamous Jed
Rothwell touting this particular "over unity" device on the
CompuServe Sci/Math forum back around the mid-90>s. I did manage
to turn this up, and there are probably others if you want to
bother searching:

<http://www.rexresearch.com/griggs/griggs.htm>

--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]

Don Lancaster · Guest

starnes892@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]On Oct 9, 6:28 am, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> wrote:
On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:40:09 +0100, Eeyore

rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Bill Snyder wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
doug wrote:
gdewi...@gmail.com wrote:
doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
[snip disinfo 101]
Snip what you want but you are unable to show that
Meyer was not a fraud and you are too lazy to even
build one of his cells. Or is it that you know it
does not work?
He said he was building one only a few months back IIRC.
Oh, btw, you know how Meyer fooled reporters and the like ? Don
Lancaster knows this too. He used common or garden cheap electric meters
to measure voltages and currents. Yet his alleged process requires high
frequencies. These cheap meters 'under-read' high frequencies and pulse
waveforms, so he created a plausible fraud by simply under-reading the
input power.
It>s as simple as that. And kids are still doing it today with the same
cheap meters instead of lab grade equipment and then claiming positive
results.
Same thing the Griggs bunch did, then, using power monitors with
probes designed for 60 Hz on a switching power supply.
This is a new one on me. Do you have a link or whatever ?
Actually, it>s a rather old one; I remember the infamous Jed
Rothwell touting this particular "over unity" device on the
CompuServe Sci/Math forum back around the mid-90>s. I did manage
to turn this up, and there are probably others if you want to
bother searching:

http://www.rexresearch.com/griggs/griggs.htm

--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]

The Apparatus for Heating Fluids United States Patent 5,188,090 James
L. Griggs, works I have seen it heating large company buildings and it
cut there heating bills I think in half.

[/quote]
Cavitation heaters are useful and efficient, but there is NO WAY they
provide overunity energy.

--
Many thanks,

Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
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Eeyore · Guest

Don Lancaster wrote:

[quote]starnes892@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 9, 6:28 am, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> wrote:
On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:40:09 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:

It>s as simple as that. And kids are still doing it today with the same
cheap meters instead of lab grade equipment and then claiming positive
results.
Same thing the Griggs bunch did, then, using power monitors with
probes designed for 60 Hz on a switching power supply.
This is a new one on me. Do you have a link or whatever ?
Actually, it>s a rather old one; I remember the infamous Jed
Rothwell touting this particular "over unity" device on the
CompuServe Sci/Math forum back around the mid-90>s. I did manage
to turn this up, and there are probably others if you want to
bother searching:

http://www.rexresearch.com/griggs/griggs.htm

The Apparatus for Heating Fluids United States Patent 5,188,090 James
L. Griggs, works I have seen it heating large company buildings and it
cut there heating bills I think in half.

Cavitation heaters are useful and efficient, but there is NO WAY they
provide overunity energy.
[/quote]
Don>t tell their fans that. It was popular here a year or two ago.

Graham

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Did I say anything about overunity? What I think its doing is just
maybe getting upto the 100% efficient. But yes there is loss. Also
I>m building the Stanley Meyer control circuit. There are a few people
saying that the controller makes a condition that converts normal
electrical power over to cold electrical power? Anyone have some
opinions on cold electrical power?

Guest

On Oct 10, 8:04 am, starnes...@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]Did I say anything about overunity? What I think its doing is just
maybe getting upto the 100% efficient. But yes there is loss. Also
I>m building the Stanley Meyer control circuit. There are a few people
saying that the controller makes a condition that converts normal
electrical power over to cold electrical power? Anyone have some
opinions on cold electrical power?
[/quote]
This isn>t an experimenters forum.
This is a deny, detract, obfuscate forum.
These guys are more interested in "you not wasting your time" because
you might find out something they can>t fathom.
Put on your flame retarding suit if your going to do serious
experiments with a Meyer circuit and discuss it here.
They can>t and won>t help.

Don Lancaster · Guest

Eeyore wrote:
[quote]
Don Lancaster wrote:

starnes892@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 9, 6:28 am, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> wrote:
On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:40:09 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It>s as simple as that. And kids are still doing it today with the same
cheap meters instead of lab grade equipment and then claiming positive
results.
Same thing the Griggs bunch did, then, using power monitors with
probes designed for 60 Hz on a switching power supply.
This is a new one on me. Do you have a link or whatever ?
Actually, it>s a rather old one; I remember the infamous Jed
Rothwell touting this particular "over unity" device on the
CompuServe Sci/Math forum back around the mid-90>s. I did manage
to turn this up, and there are probably others if you want to
bother searching:

http://www.rexresearch.com/griggs/griggs.htm
The Apparatus for Heating Fluids United States Patent 5,188,090 James
L. Griggs, works I have seen it heating large company buildings and it
cut there heating bills I think in half.
Cavitation heaters are useful and efficient, but there is NO WAY they
provide overunity energy.

Don>t tell their fans that. It was popular here a year or two ago.

Graham

[/quote]
I was involved in a company that got sucked into these back in 1961.
They seem to originate in southeastern pennsylvania.

The most logical explanation is that cavitation is a highly nonlinear
mechanical load. Presenting rms difficulties comparable to measuring
pulse power.

And even less expected by a mechanical engineer than an electrical one.

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Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
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Don Lancaster · Guest

starnes892@gmail.com wrote:

[quote]I>m building the Stanley Meyer control circuit.
[/quote]
I think I found your problem.

See http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu08.asp#05-22-08 for a detailed analysis.

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Many thanks,

Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
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