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China 'could reach Moon by 2020'
By Paul Rincon
Science reporter, BBC News

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7506715.stm

Dr Griffin says the US and Chinese space agencies are co-operating
China is capable of sending a manned mission to the Moon within the next
decade, if it so wishes, Nasa administrator Michael Griffin has said.

The US space agency plans to return people to the lunar surface by 2020
using its new Orion spacecraft.

But it is just possible the first people on the Moon since the Apollo 17
mission in 1972 could be planting a flag with five stars, not 50.

In 2003, China became only the third country to launch a person into
orbit.

Speaking to the BBC News website during a visit to London, Dr Griffin
said: "Certainly it is possible that if China wants to put people on the
Moon, and if it wishes to do so before the United States, it certainly
can. As a matter of technical capability, it absolutely can."

Chinese officials say there is no plan and no timetable for a Moon
landing, and have expressed doubt that one could be made by 2020.

Ambitious programmes

But Sun Laiyan, chief of the China National Space Administration (CNSA),
told journalists last year that an eventual lunar excursion was
inevitable.

On whether it mattered who reached the Moon next, Dr Griffin replied:
"I>m not a psychologist, so I can>t say if it matters or not. That would
just be an opinion and I don>t want to air an opinion in an area that
I>m not qualified to discuss."

We do have some early co-operative initiatives that we are trying to
put in place with China, mostly centred around scientific enterprises

Dr Michael Griffin
Nasa Administrator

But there is a perception among some in the space industry that
America>s long-held dominance in space exploration is slipping as other
nations enter the fray.

A recent report by the US consultancy firm, Futron, found other
countries were expanding their space capabilities at an astonishing
rate, "threatening US space leadership".

China has sent two manned missions into space over the last five years.
The first, in 2003, carried "yuhangyuan" (astronaut) Yang Liwei into
orbit for 21 hours aboard the Shenzhou 5 spacecraft.

On the second, two spacemen flew aboard the Shenzhou 6 craft, spending
nearly five days in orbit. Another manned mission is set to go ahead in
October, just after the Beijing Olympic Games.

Dr Griffin said the US and China were now making the first tentative
steps towards collaborating with each other on space exploration.

"We do have some early co-operative initiatives that we are trying to
put in place with China, mostly centred around scientific enterprises. I
think that>s a great place to start," he said.

Five-year gap

"I think we>re always better off if we can find areas where we can
collaborate rather than quarrel. I would remind your [audience] that the
first US-Soviet human co-operation took place in 1975, virtually at the
height of the Cold War."

"And it led, 18 years later, to discussions about an International Space
Station (ISS) programme in which we>re now involved."

India>s space programme is smaller than China>s, but is making great
strides. The South Asian country will launch its Chandrayaan unmanned
Moon probe later this year. It has also announced ambitious plans for a
manned programme.

Since joining Nasa as its administrator in 2005, Dr Griffin has overseen
the implementation of President George W Bush>s Vision for Space
Exploration, which aims to return Americans to the Moon by 2020, and
send them on, at some undetermined date, to Mars.

He has presided over Nasa>s efforts to complete construction of the ISS
in time for a retirement of the space shuttle in 2010. However, its
replacements, the Orion spacecraft and Ares rockets, will not be ready
until March 2015.

This leaves a five-year gap during which the US will have no spacecraft
capable of reaching the space station.

Last year, Dr Griffin told the US Congress that this gap could be
shortened to 2013 with the injection of $2bn extra in funds. The request
was ultimately turned down.

He now says: "Even if a new president and a new Congress decided they
wanted to shorten the gap between shuttle retirement and Ares and Orion
deployment, at this point with water over the dam, even if they were
substantially increasing our funding, we would be talking about 2014 as
the earliest."

Nasa has given seed money to commercial ventures in order to spur
development of a manned craft capable of re-supplying the ISS. But also
has the option of buying some of the European Space Agency>s ATV
(Automated Transfer Vehicle) resupply craft.

Paul.Rincon-INTERNET@bbc.co.uk

BradGuth · Guest

Why not China taking the Google X prize, and thumb their nose at us.

How much extra is Google/NOVA willing to pay if there>s no sign of
anything except Apollo impact debris or simply a few hard-landing
deployed artifacts?

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

Agent Smith wrote:
[quote]China 'could reach Moon by 2020'
By Paul Rincon
Science reporter, BBC News

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7506715.stm

Dr Griffin says the US and Chinese space agencies are co-operating
China is capable of sending a manned mission to the Moon within the next
decade, if it so wishes, Nasa administrator Michael Griffin has said.

The US space agency plans to return people to the lunar surface by 2020
using its new Orion spacecraft.

But it is just possible the first people on the Moon since the Apollo 17
mission in 1972 could be planting a flag with five stars, not 50.

In 2003, China became only the third country to launch a person into
orbit.

Speaking to the BBC News website during a visit to London, Dr Griffin
said: "Certainly it is possible that if China wants to put people on the
Moon, and if it wishes to do so before the United States, it certainly
can. As a matter of technical capability, it absolutely can."

Chinese officials say there is no plan and no timetable for a Moon
landing, and have expressed doubt that one could be made by 2020.

Ambitious programmes

But Sun Laiyan, chief of the China National Space Administration (CNSA),
told journalists last year that an eventual lunar excursion was
inevitable.

On whether it mattered who reached the Moon next, Dr Griffin replied:
"I>m not a psychologist, so I can>t say if it matters or not. That would
just be an opinion and I don>t want to air an opinion in an area that
I>m not qualified to discuss."

We do have some early co-operative initiatives that we are trying to
put in place with China, mostly centred around scientific enterprises

Dr Michael Griffin
Nasa Administrator

But there is a perception among some in the space industry that
America>s long-held dominance in space exploration is slipping as other
nations enter the fray.

A recent report by the US consultancy firm, Futron, found other
countries were expanding their space capabilities at an astonishing
rate, "threatening US space leadership".

China has sent two manned missions into space over the last five years.
The first, in 2003, carried "yuhangyuan" (astronaut) Yang Liwei into
orbit for 21 hours aboard the Shenzhou 5 spacecraft.

On the second, two spacemen flew aboard the Shenzhou 6 craft, spending
nearly five days in orbit. Another manned mission is set to go ahead in
October, just after the Beijing Olympic Games.

Dr Griffin said the US and China were now making the first tentative
steps towards collaborating with each other on space exploration.

"We do have some early co-operative initiatives that we are trying to
put in place with China, mostly centred around scientific enterprises. I
think that>s a great place to start," he said.

Five-year gap

"I think we>re always better off if we can find areas where we can
collaborate rather than quarrel. I would remind your [audience] that the
first US-Soviet human co-operation took place in 1975, virtually at the
height of the Cold War."

"And it led, 18 years later, to discussions about an International Space
Station (ISS) programme in which we>re now involved."

India>s space programme is smaller than China>s, but is making great
strides. The South Asian country will launch its Chandrayaan unmanned
Moon probe later this year. It has also announced ambitious plans for a
manned programme.

Since joining Nasa as its administrator in 2005, Dr Griffin has overseen
the implementation of President George W Bush>s Vision for Space
Exploration, which aims to return Americans to the Moon by 2020, and
send them on, at some undetermined date, to Mars.

He has presided over Nasa>s efforts to complete construction of the ISS
in time for a retirement of the space shuttle in 2010. However, its
replacements, the Orion spacecraft and Ares rockets, will not be ready
until March 2015.

This leaves a five-year gap during which the US will have no spacecraft
capable of reaching the space station.

Last year, Dr Griffin told the US Congress that this gap could be
shortened to 2013 with the injection of $2bn extra in funds. The request
was ultimately turned down.

He now says: "Even if a new president and a new Congress decided they
wanted to shorten the gap between shuttle retirement and Ares and Orion
deployment, at this point with water over the dam, even if they were
substantially increasing our funding, we would be talking about 2014 as
the earliest."

Nasa has given seed money to commercial ventures in order to spur
development of a manned craft capable of re-supplying the ISS. But also
has the option of buying some of the European Space Agency>s ATV
(Automated Transfer Vehicle) resupply craft.

Paul.Rincon-INTERNET@bbc.co.uk[/quote]

G=EMC^2 Glazier · Guest

If the Mafia NASA gave back all the money it stole over the last 40
years and it was used to bring back the Saturn V we could be walking
again on the moon by 2012 Reality is we could leave one of those
shuttle $25,000,000 toilets on the moon for future use. Sad part is a 35
dollar toilet would work well on the moon. A fart would go into outer
space . I like that Bert

Saul Levy · Guest

Not if you fart in your spacesuit, BEERTbrain! lmao!

Then it goes UP YOUR NOSE!

Saul Levy

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:32:09 -0400, herbertglazier@webtv.net (G=EMC^2
Glazier) wrote:

[quote]If the Mafia NASA gave back all the money it stole over the last 40
years and it was used to bring back the Saturn V we could be walking
again on the moon by 2012 Reality is we could leave one of those
shuttle $25,000,000 toilets on the moon for future use. Sad part is a 35
dollar toilet would work well on the moon. A fart would go into outer
space . I like that Bert[/quote]

BradGuth · Guest

On Jul 16, 6:32 am, herbertglaz...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
[quote]If the Mafia NASA gave back all the money it stole over the last 40
years and it was used to bring back the Saturn V we could be walking
again on the moon by 2012 Reality is we could leave one of those
shuttle $25,000,000 toilets on the moon for future use. Sad part is a 35
dollar toilet would work well on the moon. A fart would go into outer
space . I like that Bert
[/quote]
The Saturn V only accomplished getting our Apollo mission safely into
LEO, and it was their relatively little command module that
subsequently got them safely to/from the Selene/moon L1. All the rest
of our hocus-pocus and otherwise spendy cold-war fiasco was
accomplished via rad-hard robotics.

The all-inclusive Saturn V package deal, along with its Apollo
payloads of nifty stuff and loads of other rocket fuel, as such was as
a fly-by-rocket package of being nearly 30% inert. A 30% inert
mission is not going to pull off any such all-inclusive to/from moon
mission. They>ll need to get that down to at least 20%, if not as
little as 15% unless it>s of a one way mission.

Being that human DNA isn>t rad-hard, makes the one-way mission worth
considering.

I>ve advised having banked bone marrow as their plan B.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

BradGuth · Guest

On Jul 17, 5:12 am, herbertglaz...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
[quote]Cactus Saul Do you think a space suit should have a fart valve? When I
was A kid I had pajamas with a trap door Go figure Bert
[/quote]
They actually had butt-plugs, just in case there was a moonsuit leak
that was more than any supply of O2 and h2o could manage to keep up
with.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

G=EMC^2 Glazier · Guest

Cactus Saul Best not to eat beans if your going on a space walk. I
think a better word then walk would be swim. Going on a space swim I
like that. Do you think Saul a fart could be jet propulsion? Bert

G=EMC^2 Glazier · Guest

Cactus Saul Do you think a space suit should have a fart valve? When I
was A kid I had pajamas with a trap door Go figure Bert

Jeffâ–²Relf · Guest

The â€œ Union Suit â€ comes with a butt-flap.

Double-A · Guest

On Jul 21, 11:13 am, herbertglaz...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
[quote]Reality is honey mooners in 2097 will go to the Moon to get Chinese take
out. Forks will be a thing of the past. Chop sticks are in. They are
made of plastic,and just throw aways. Wal Mart made all this possible.
There is a statue of Wolton that people bring flowers and pray at his
feet. Wall Mart is humankinds big religion. It fits Bert
[/quote]

Perhaps we should give them non-taxable status.

Double-A

G=EMC^2 Glazier · Guest

Reality is honey mooners in 2097 will go to the Moon to get Chinese take
out. Forks will be a thing of the past. Chop sticks are in. They are
made of plastic,and just throw aways. Wal Mart made all this possible.
There is a statue of Wolton that people bring flowers and pray at his
feet. Wall Mart is humankinds big religion. It fits Bert

G=EMC^2 Glazier · Guest

DoubleA When did the rich ever pay their share of taxes. Withholding
tax was for the blue collar workers. Bert PS its best when you get the
money first

Saul Levy · Guest

Poluting the Moon with chop sticks and those cheap cardboard food
boxes, BEERTbrain? lmao!

McDonald>s is more likely.

Saul Levy

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:13:11 -0400, herbertglazier@webtv.net (G=EMC^2
Glazier) wrote:

[quote]Reality is honey mooners in 2097 will go to the Moon to get Chinese take
out. Forks will be a thing of the past. Chop sticks are in. They are
made of plastic,and just throw aways. Wal Mart made all this possible.
There is a statue of Wolton that people bring flowers and pray at his
feet. Wall Mart is humankinds big religion. It fits Bert[/quote]

G=EMC^2 Glazier · Guest

Cactus Saul McDonalds will never serve lobster Chinese,and that is what
people want when going all the way to the moon. Who would go 140,000
miles for a big mack. Bert

Saul Levy · Guest

The same wackos who go to McD now, BEERTbrain! lmao!

In 90 years you>d be surprised!

Maybe the Borg will prefer Chinese meat. Call it the OTHER WHITE
MEAT! lmao!

Saul Levy

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:56:09 -0400, herbertglazier@webtv.net (G=EMC^2
Glazier) wrote:

[quote]Cactus Saul McDonalds will never serve lobster Chinese,and that is what
people want when going all the way to the moon. Who would go 140,000
miles for a big mack. Bert[/quote]


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