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Painius · Guest

"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbertglazier@webtv.net> wrote...
in message news:15877-48906027-10@storefull-3336.bay.webtv.net...
[quote]
Painius I did not know I was a stickler on terms?
[/quote]
I was just kiddin' around, Bert. <g>

[quote]If I am you sure
know how to unstickler my terminology Thank you. Today in China the
Moon occults the Sun as it eclipses the Earth Did I say that right
Painius? Tricky stuff.
[/quote]
Yup and yup.

Neat how the eclipse follows a path across the face of
the Earth. A narrow strip of shadow defines where the
Moon occults the Sun, and outside of that strip nobody
sees anything differently...

http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEmono/TSE2008/TSE2008iau/TSE2008-fig02.GIF

Here>s a neat film of the eclipse>s path...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gucStsyMvoo

Watch the eclipse live here...
http://www.exploratorium.edu/eclipse/2008/

[quote]An hour ago I used other terms and ways in a
post on Big Bang(creation of the universe) Hope it is enjoyable Bert
[/quote]
Very enjoyable, Bert!

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S.: Thank YOU for reading!

P.P.S.: http://painellsworth.net

Timberwoof · Guest

In article
<787f9712-c95e-4065-a768-6d38ed835005@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]I would agree and otherwise argue that everything is essentially in
orbit around something (aka "common barycenter" if need be).
[/quote]
On what evidence?

[quote]It seems our solar system has been and remains as strongly associated
with the impressive Sirius star/solar system, as in a 105,000 ~
110,000 year elliptic path as of lately.
[/quote]
On what evidence?

[quote]The Sirius star/solar system used to be worth 7+ solar masses, and
from ice-age thaw to thaw we>d obviously been a whole lot closer,
possibly as nearby as 0.01 ly if not a bit closer.
[/quote]
On what evidence?

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Official naysayer of the DARPA kind, who knows only of what¹s accepted by
the Old Testament of the Zionist/Nazi New World Order
which refuses to accept or allow deductive reasoning.

Timberwoof · Guest

In article <17438-48909A79-75@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>,
herbertglazier@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:

[quote]Painius I find that very interesting that are galaxy is revolving in
the opposite direction our Sun is taking us through it. I need two
questions answers How fast is the Milky Way revolving,and how much does
this shorten the time for us to make a full swing around inside of it?
Bert
[/quote]
You could look up the answers to these questions yourself, you know ...
Here>s a good introduction, complete with references to more articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_way_galaxy

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Official naysayer of the DARPA kind, who knows only of what¹s accepted by
the Old Testament of the Zionist/Nazi New World Order
which refuses to accept or allow deductive reasoning.

Timberwoof · Guest

In article <Xr0kk.140773$102.65140@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Painius" <starswirlernosp@maol.com> wrote:

[quote]"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbertglazier@webtv.net> wrote...
in message news:15976-488F1124-779@storefull-3334.bay.webtv.net...

Painius Nicely posted. It does beg the question Does the right hand
rule rule just as well for left handed people.

Thank you Bert!

Sure it works just as well for left-handed people, as
long as they also have a right hand to use to apply
the rule. <g

We use the Earth to
relate with all else around it. All is measured in Earth time (LY)
all is measured in man made sizes. Earth in the macro realm is the yard
stick for the universe. Is the solar system going around the galaxy in
the same direction it is spinning?

No, it>s not. I believe i read recently that the North
Pole of the Solar System is about 117° off from the
North Pole of our galaxy.

So technically, our Solar System is spinning in the
opposite direction of our galaxy.
[/quote]
There are two motions to consider: First, the orbit of planets around
the sun compared to the sun>s orbit around the galactic center and the
galaxy>s main axis of rotation. Second, the orbit of the sun around the
galactic center compared to what most stars are doing.

[quote]And to me, that>s

F A S C I N A T I N G

Is Andromeda spin help taking it in our direction?.

Maybe. It does show a blue shift, after all. As you
may remember, i>ve posted that it seems to me that
either Andromeda is the barycenter of our Local
Group of galaxies, and all the other galaxies in our
Local Group, including the Milky Way galaxy, revolve
around Andromeda, OR...
[/quote]
Hm. Can you give me a reference to an article where this is written up?

[quote]All the galaxies, including Andromeda revolve around
a common barycenter that>s somewhere fairly close
to Andromeda, but not inside it.
[/quote]
Evidence?

[quote]And that is what causes the blue shift... our galaxy is
"falling" toward Andromeda like our Earth "falls"
toward the Sun.
[/quote]
Uh, no.

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Official naysayer of the DARPA kind, who knows only of what¹s accepted by
the Old Testament of the Zionist/Nazi New World Order
which refuses to accept or allow deductive reasoning.

Timberwoof · Guest

In article
<2w2kk.276210$SV4.168483@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Painius" <starswirlernosp@maol.com> wrote:

[quote]"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbertglazier@webtv.net> wrote...
in message news:17438-48909A79-75@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net...

Painius I find that very interesting that are galaxy is revolving in
the opposite direction our Sun is taking us through it. I need two
questions answers How fast is the Milky Way revolving,and how much does
this shorten the time for us to make a full swing around inside of it?
Bert

Whoa! Hold up! Back up ten yards and punt, friend
Bert!...

The Sun is taking us through the galaxy in the same
general direction of the galaxy>s spin/rotation! It>s
the direction of the orbits of all the planets, including
Earth, AROUND THE SUN that is opposite to the
direction the galaxy is rotating.

If you were to hike all the way up to the North Pole,
and then stand right there on the pole and look up,
you would be staring straight at the star Polaris. And
you would also be looking out the South side of the
Milky Way galaxy>s disk.

So whenever you see the standard picture of our
galaxy, such as...

http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/galaxy.html

...the Sun and planets are moving to the right (in
the direction toward the constellation Cygnus), the
galaxy is rotating in a clockwise direction, and the
galaxy>s North pole is DOWN.
[/quote]
Well, off at some walpyjod angle, anyway.
http://star-www.st-and.ac.uk/~fv/webnotes/chapter8.htm

[quote]Now, to answer your questions, the Sun and all the
other stars in the disk of the Milky Way galaxy are
moving in the same direction around the center and
at about the same speed regardless of their distances
from the center. That speed is 220 km/s, and this
comes to almost 500,000 miles per hour!
[/quote]
They are?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_way_galaxy#Sun.27s_location
seems to disagree with you. You got a cite for that?

[quote]The time it takes for our Sun, which likes to bob up
and down from the North side of the galactic disk to
the South side while it travels in roughly a circle
around the center of the galaxy, the time it takes to
make one complete trip around the center is about
225 million years.

And this means that during its entire lifetime, our
Sun has gone aroung the center of the galaxy a
little more than 20 times.

happy days and...
starry starry nights!
[/quote]
--
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Official naysayer of the DARPA kind, who knows only of what¹s accepted by
the Old Testament of the Zionist/Nazi New World Order
which refuses to accept or allow deductive reasoning.

Saul Levy · Guest

Directions of rotation are RANDOM, Paine.

So what?

Saul Levy

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:14:47 GMT, "Painius" <starswirlernosp@maol.com>
wrote:

>Good evidence that oc and Gordon Wolter are right!

Saul Levy · Guest

It>s weird because it apparently had a collision with another galaxy
somewhere in the past, Paine.

That messes everything up about the appearance of rotation.

Saul Levy

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:46:37 GMT, "Painius" <starswirlernosp@maol.com>
wrote:

[quote]Here>s a weird, interesting and fascinating pinwheel...

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040221.html

At first glance, NGC 4622 appears to be rotating in a
counter-clockwise direction. Studies made using the
Hubble scope show that this pinwheel is actually going
around in a clockwise direction!

"Essentially Unique!" Truly a "Backward Spiral Galaxy"
as Bert>s thread title requests![/quote]

Saul Levy · Guest

There is no evidence for any of this, BradBoi! lmfjao!

You are fixated on Sirius A/B and the Sun. FOR NO GOOD REASON!

What>s the new period for the Sun>s orbit around Sirius A/B? It can>t
still be that value after you had the WRONG radial velocity by a
factor of TWO!

And you>ve never explained how the radial velocity has REVERSED ITSELF
TWICE in the past 8.6+ years.

You have a lot of stuff to make up, BradBoi, since the radial velocity
hasn>t changed at all in many decades!

Saul Levy

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:07:05 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
<bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]It seems our solar system has been and remains as strongly associated
with the impressive Sirius star/solar system, as in a 105,000 ~
110,000 year elliptic path as of lately.

The Sirius star/solar system used to be worth 7+ solar masses, and
from ice-age thaw to thaw we>d obviously been a whole lot closer,
possibly as nearby as 0.01 ly if not a bit closer.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth[/quote]

Timberwoof · Guest

In article <gir1941rshk3vg3urc8u693c5rpt8bit2u@4ax.com>,
Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote:

[quote]It>s weird because it apparently had a collision with another galaxy
somewhere in the past, Paine.
[/quote]
Modern theories of galactic formation hold that most galaxies are the
result of collisions between smaller galaxies. There were some
interesting computer simulations of such events on Nova last night, and
plenty of pairs of galaxies in collision have been discovered.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
Official naysayer of the DARPA kind, who knows only of what¹s accepted by
the Old Testament of the Zionist/Nazi New World Order
which refuses to accept or allow deductive reasoning.

BradGuth · Guest

On Jul 30, 11:50 am, "Painius" <starswirlern...@maol.com> wrote:
[quote]"BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message...

news:b38eaa60-51fd-400f-96ef-251ecd96ef62@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

On Jul 29, 4:12 pm, "Painius" <starswirlern...@maol.com> wrote:

And since i know you>re a stickler for getting terms
correct, it should also be noted that during a solar
eclipse, most people say that "the Moon eclipses
the Sun". However that>s incorrect. One should
say that the Moon "occults" the Sun and "eclipses"
the Earth. The body where the shadow lands is the
"eclipsed" body.

Now decades worth of perhaps 10 billion public and private textbooks
and of nearly countless research and science journals are going to
have to be formally recalled and edited, republished and
redistributed, including most everything from National Geographic,
Time and the Smithsonian, plus a few hundred other mainstream
publications in more than a dozen languages to boot. I hope you>re
fully prepared to pay for all of that. . . .

So bill me. <g
[/quote]
The mainstream status quo may have to do just that. On the other
hand, a 0.1% royalty going to you could eventually be worth hundreds
of millions, especially at the new and improved inflation that all of
those revised publications and textbooks are going to cost us.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

Timberwoof · Guest

In article
<c2c3790e-a886-40d1-9053-f7e3327c85bc@i24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
oldcoot <oldcoot7074@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

[quote]On Jul 30, 11:35 am, "Painius" <starswirlern...@maol.com> wrote:

...the Sun and all the
other stars in the disk of the Milky Way galaxy are
moving in the same direction around the center and
at about the same speed regardless of their distances
from the center.

Umm.. at about the same speed *regardless of their distances from the
center*? Could you elaborate a bit more on this? Seems more like their
speeds would increase linearly (more or less) with increasing distance
from the center.
[/quote]
Rats, I misplaced that cool graph I found earlier today. The horizontal
axis shows distance from the galactic center; the vertical axis shows
tangential velocity. If the galaxy was a solid disk, you>d see
increasing speed with distance from the center. If the stars were of
negligible mass and followed strictly newtonian orbits around a massive
central object, then you>d see decreasing speed with distance from the
center. But the galaxy is neither of those. The stars themselves have
mass, but they>re not a solid disk, so something in between is expected.
indeed, the curve increases from zero (though with recent measurements,
that should change) and then flattens to a mostly straight line.

It is that line which has caused all the trouble and hubbub about dark
matter.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
Official naysayer of the DARPA kind, who knows only of what¹s accepted by
the Old Testament of the Zionist/Nazi New World Order
which refuses to accept or allow deductive reasoning.

oldcoot · Guest

On Jul 31, 4:29 am, "Painius" <starswirlern...@maol.com> wrote:
[quote]
What you>re describing above is what might be seen
if the galaxy>s disk were moving like a solid gold
record or a frisbee. That>s one extreme.

The other extreme of course is Keplerian dynamics,
as is the case with our Solar System.

As Odysseus pointed out, the components of a galaxy
revolve around the hub at speeds that are in between
these two extremes...

Yep, hence my simplified and to-the-point description, "*more* unitary[/quote]
or 'frisbee-like' " in contrast to the Keplerian rotation of the solar
system.
[quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_curve

The graph to the right shows that all the stars in the
disk, all the ones outside the "galactic bulge", travel
in the same direction at about the same speed. And
it doesn>t matter what distance the stars are from
the center of the galaxy.

This accounts for the shapes of the spiral arms.

Yup. If t>warnt for the rotational gradient, the arms wouldn>t have[/quote]
'wound up'.

BradGuth · Guest

On Jul 31, 4:50 am, "Painius" <starswirlern...@maol.com> wrote:
[quote]"Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message...

news:t0r1949job1p4fcgp92ntefqfuq31fl9fe@4ax.com...

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:14:47 GMT, "Painius" <starswirlern...@maol.com
wrote:

Good evidence that oc and Gordon Wolter are right!

Directions of rotation are RANDOM, Paine.

So what?

So it would seem, however further study is needed,
Saul. Are astronomers certain that the only major
motion of galaxies is the obvious axial rotation?

Could other major motions be involved? like maybe
wobbles, as a coin sometimes does when you drop it
on a table? or perhaps there>s also a spin axis that
slices through the center of a galaxy>s disk from one
side to the other?

I think it>s too early to draw the conclusion that all
galaxy motion is random.

And then there are the motions of clusters and the
super clusters. Everything>s supposed to be moving
toward some "Great Attractor". How "random" is
that?

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S.: Thank YOU for reading!

P.P.S.: http://painellsworth.net
[/quote]
To a devout Zionist/Nazi like Saul Levy, most everything is of a
random happenstance, including how screwed up this Earth has gotten,
whereas nothing and especially no one soul or group is ever in charge
of or responsible for anything bad, except all the good stuff is
typically due to whatever Republicans and pretend-Atheists like
himself accomplish.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

BradGuth · Guest

On Jul 31, 5:42 am, herbertglaz...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
[quote]Timberhead I use my time to think of new stuff,and like you just did
for me give me answers. I think of questions first,and that is good.
That is the very reason for What if ? Most of my posts beg questions
to be answered by people like you. It kind of makes it fun and easier
for me I like that Bert I might be lazy
[/quote]
Thinking of new stuff isn>t allowed by those of the DARPA New World
Order.

Get yourself used to it, just like your having been living in Florida
under the Republican Mafia cartel on most everything that counts, is
what actually gives you a head start on the rest of us.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

BradGuth · Guest

On Jul 31, 6:06 am, herbertglaz...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
[quote]Cactus Saul That picture clearly shows the curved arms giving the
galaxy a counter clockwise direction,and its inner arms a clockwise
direction. That is tricky stuff(weird) Still we can visualize
how another galaxy angling in at the opposite spin can create this.
It makes good thinking that irregular galaxies were created by
collision. With so much space between galaxies irregular galaxies must
be more rare. Thought just jumped in Maybe we can tell a galaxies age
by the number of its arms,and how far they have unravelled. Large arms
older galaxy?? Since the arms hold new born stars they must be like
our sun the color blue. Closer to the bulge or even the bulge must be
the home of the galaxies older stars and the color red would be given
off. It fits Bert
[/quote]
There are many galaxies of two or more as having merged. God>s cosmic
version of tracking down those pesky WMD, along with collateral damage
and carnage of the mostly innocent. God must be another Republican
Mafia type.

Colliding galaxies have been offering rather nifty eye-candy, and as
you can see that not everything turns to dust.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth


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