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"DaKitty" <Imgonna.com@something.net> wrote in message news:<Mv4Ja.71411$Pc5.61551@fed1read01>...
[quote]Thank you for that description!
Mine is somewhat simplistic, and at times just a frustration in managing my
life more effectively.
A little example would be, A chore needs doing, and I just can>t get in the
right mood to do it now, so I procrastinate some, or do it begrudgingly. Now
if I could only figure how to sweet-talk myself into being in the mood to do
something when I rationally decide it needs to be done.
With some things, mo matter what little or carrot I dangle in front of me to
motivate myself to do certain things, I tend to keep rebelling against it.
Lately, my conflict is about getting more exercise, I want to, and I need
to, but I keep managing to get lazy and not do it. I keep staring in the
mirror and asking, what>s the holdup (figuratively), and just get a silly,
"I dunno, I don>t feel like it, leave me alone answer".
Twice a month that I do motivate myself to do it, I>m very glad I did.
At the moment I>m at a little bit of a loss as to how to motivate myself.
Sue, I can clamp down and force myself to do it, but I try to not do that,
because I just end up festering in resentment that I wasn>t more attentive
to my other needs, and more things get out of whack.
I>m hoping you have a droplet of wisdom here that will give me more food for
thought. :)
Thanks!
"bigolehippie" <PatrickMorrisPhD@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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DK
There are two major responses to that question (what happens
when thoughts and feelings do not coincide). The first is that in the
active process of "being in the world" people develop a sense of
themselves in relation to others and life in general but they also
(ideally) continue to grow. Discrepancies can occur benignly such as
seeing "girls" as friends to discovering love and commitment. Previous
"just playing " behaviors/attitudes may now be in conflict with
wanting "more -- to be closer". This change, evolution or adaptation
is actually ongoing and associated with living across time. The
change can be more of a conflict as in "raised racist" one now
cognitively rejects it but still in shocked to have racist "feelings".
These types of experiences can be a powerful contribution to the
expansion of the individual>s personality.
Another form of the split between emotions and cognition is a
feature of Bipolar Disorder. Oversimplistically, the mood becomes
detached from cognition in that it stimulates either typical
depressive features or manic depressive features. The person is sad
(or any affect) regardless of circumstances with the symptoms. As an
example: in mania with anger these persons will often first look for
the fight that goes with the feeling of anger/aggression and then
blame ( try to make sense of the mood generated behavior) someone or
something.
The third of the two responses is in psychotic splits from
reality. Splits from people, feelings and rational behavior are
expected symptoms of disorders such as schizophrenia.
boh
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:49:00 -0700, "DaKitty"
Imgonna.com@something.net> wrote:
What happens when your feelings consistently don>t follow your thoughts
and
actions resulting from those thoughts?
"bigolehippie" <PatrickMorrisPhD@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:j5nbevk04hcr1j2m0d8hbfkc31m80cud2e@4ax.com...
At a very primary level the Gestalts therapist would have you share
your feelings at the time and have you explore your feelings about
your feelings in the present -- the purpose of which is to find the
position you need for yourself and then explore your self generated
options yourself. The cognitive therapist is going to focus on the
thoughts associated with or generating the feelings and discuss them
logically -- as your thoughts change your feelings will move to be
more consistent with your thinking/perception. Very different
approaches -- for problem solving or time sensitive issues I would
suggest cognitive therapy. boh
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:02:02 GMT, "marvin" <no
one@hotmail./REMOVE/com> wrote:
Could someone explain the main differences?
I am looking for a marriage counselor, any idea what I should look out
for
in each?
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:57:16 -0800, "Child"
<beth@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote:
[quote]
"Bob" <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3F3E3B8D.30307@hotmail.com...
Child wrote:
so what does the mountain of research show about the kids whose fathers
abandon them?
A growing number of MEN no longer buy that old tired feminist LIE about
MEN.
Your lying days are over bigot. Nobody believes you any more.
Bob, honey, please explain how a question can be a lie?
What lie is Bob talking about now how do women turn kids into adults[/quote]
with BPD?
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Rauni wrote:
[quote]On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:57:16 -0800, "Child"
beth@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote:
"Bob" <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3F3E3B8D.30307@hotmail.com...
Child wrote:
so what does the mountain of research show about the kids whose fathers
abandon them?
A growing number of MEN no longer buy that old tired feminist LIE about
MEN.
Your lying days are over bigot. Nobody believes you any more.
Bob, honey, please explain how a question can be a lie?
What lie is Bob talking about now how do women turn kids into adults
with BPD?
[/quote]
Please provide the name of the college or university where you earned
your degree in psychiatry, or psychology. Please also provide the name
of the organization granting your certificate in psychoanalysis, or
psychological diagnosis.
Otherwise we will know that you have no idea what you are talking about
and are blowing more smoke out your ass.
Bob |
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Rauni
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:04:52 -0600, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Rauni wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:57:16 -0800, "Child"
beth@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote:
"Bob" <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3F3E3B8D.30307@hotmail.com...
Child wrote:
so what does the mountain of research show about the kids whose fathers
abandon them?
A growing number of MEN no longer buy that old tired feminist LIE about
MEN.
Your lying days are over bigot. Nobody believes you any more.
Bob, honey, please explain how a question can be a lie?
What lie is Bob talking about? Now how do women turn kids into adults
with BPD?
Please provide the name of the college or university where you earned
your degree in psychiatry, or psychology. Please also provide the name
of the organization granting your certificate in psychoanalysis, or
psychological diagnosis.
Otherwise we will know that you have no idea what you are talking about
and are blowing more smoke out your ass.
Bob
[/quote]
Couldn>t answer the question could you?
How do women turn their child into adults with BPD?
I>ve already posted several research papers. What have you posted to
prove you point?
I also worked in the california mental health system
what *have you* done?
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In article <3F422E84.9070805@hotmail.com>, posted Tue, 19
Aug 2003 08:04:52 -0600, Bob says...
:Rauni wrote:
:> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:57:16 -0800, "Child"
:> <beth@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote:
:>
:>
:>>"Bob" <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
:>>news:3F3E3B8D.30307@hotmail.com...
:>>
:>>>Child wrote:
:>>>
:>>>>
:>>>>so what does the mountain of research show about the kids whose fathers
:>>>>abandon them?
Which research? It>s very complex.
:>>>A growing number of MEN no longer buy that old tired feminist LIE about
:>>
:>>MEN.
:>>
:>>>Your lying days are over bigot. Nobody believes you any more.
:>>
:>>
:>>Bob, honey, please explain how a question can be a lie?
:>>
:>
:> What lie is Bob talking about now how do women turn kids into adults
:> with BPD?
:
:Please provide the name of the college or university where you earned
:your degree in psychiatry, or psychology. Please also provide the name
:of the organization granting your certificate in psychoanalysis, or
:psychological diagnosis.
:
:Otherwise we will know that you have no idea what you are talking about
:and are blowing more smoke out your ass.
:
:Bob
One need not be a psychiatrist or psychologist to
understand the research. One need not be a qualified
diagnostician, either. And psychoanalysis? Puhleeeze.
My guess is that if the smoke were painted purple, you>d
look like Barney, Bob.
One only must have access to a research knowledge base,
such as PsycInfo, and be able to read the publications with
a critical eye.
A cursory, broad search:
father absence/ or parental absence/ or matriarchy/ or
father child communication/ or father child relations/ or
fathers/ yields 6,294 articles.
Here are a few of the most recent:
1. Fals-Stewart, Wiliam; Kelley, Michelle L; Cooke, Cathy
G; Golden, James C. Predictors of the psychosocial
adjustment of children living in households of parents in
which fathers abuse drugs. The effects of postnatal
parental exposure. [Peer Reviewed Journal] Addictive
Behaviors. Vol 28(6) Aug 2003, 1013-1031. Elsevier Science,
United Kingdom
2. Gottlieb, Andrew R. Sons talk about their gay fathers:
Life curves. [Authored Book] Binghamton, NY, US: The
Harrington Park Press/The Haworth Press, Inc. (2003).
xviii, 183pp.
3. Guttmann, Joseph; Rosenberg, Michal. Emotional intimacy
and children>s adjustment: A comparison between single-
parent divorced and intact families. [Peer Reviewed
Journal] Educational Psychology. Vol 23(4) Sep 2003, 457-
472. Taylor & Francis, United Kingdom
4. Manning, Wendy D; Steward, Susan D; Smock, Pamela J.
The complexity of fathers' parenting responsibilities and
involvement with nonresident children. [Peer Reviewed
Journal] Journal of Family Issues. Vol 24(5) Jul 2003, 645-
667. Sage Publications, US
5. Burbach, Ann D. Parenting among fathers of young
children. [Dissertation Abstract] Dissertation Abstracts
International: Section B: the Sciences & Engineering. Vol
63(7-B), Feb 2003, 3512, US: Univ Microfilms International.
6. Gaddis, Memrie A. When little girls grow up with dead
fathers: A phenomenological study of early object loss and
later intimate relationships. [Dissertation Abstract]
Dissertation Abstracts International: Section B: the
Sciences & Engineering. Vol 63(7-B), Feb 2003, 3472, US:
Univ Microfilms International.
Or... if it>s development, mother, and BPD you>re looking
for, we>ll do some research! I>m not finding anything
obvious, but if we dig, we might find *something* related.
Which one would you like to discuss, Dr. Bob? :-)
<and this applies to the rest of you soc.boyz, too!>
Kali
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Rauni
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:53:04 GMT, Kali <Kali@nope.not> wrote:
[quote]In article <3F422E84.9070805@hotmail.com>, posted Tue, 19
Aug 2003 08:04:52 -0600, Bob says...
:Rauni wrote:
:> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:57:16 -0800, "Child"
:> <beth@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote:
:
:
:>>"Bob" <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
:>>news:3F3E3B8D.30307@hotmail.com...
:
:>>>Child wrote:
:
:
:>>>>so what does the mountain of research show about the kids whose fathers
:>>>>abandon them?
Which research? It>s very complex.
:>>>A growing number of MEN no longer buy that old tired feminist LIE about
:
:>>MEN.
:
:>>>Your lying days are over bigot. Nobody believes you any more.
:
:
:>>Bob, honey, please explain how a question can be a lie?
:
:
:> What lie is Bob talking about now? How do women turn kids into adults
:> with BPD?
:
:Please provide the name of the college or university where you earned
:your degree in psychiatry, or psychology. Please also provide the name
:of the organization granting your certificate in psychoanalysis, or
:psychological diagnosis.
:
:Otherwise we will know that you have no idea what you are talking about
:and are blowing more smoke out your ass.
:
:Bob
One need not be a psychiatrist or psychologist to
understand the research. One need not be a qualified
diagnostician, either. And psychoanalysis? Puhleeeze.
My guess is that if the smoke were painted purple, you>d
look like Barney, Bob.
One only must have access to a research knowledge base,
such as PsycInfo, and be able to read the publications with
a critical eye.
A cursory, broad search:
father absence/ or parental absence/ or matriarchy/ or
father child communication/ or father child relations/ or
fathers/ yields 6,294 articles.
Here are a few of the most recent:
1. Fals-Stewart, Wiliam; Kelley, Michelle L; Cooke, Cathy
G; Golden, James C. Predictors of the psychosocial
adjustment of children living in households of parents in
which fathers abuse drugs. The effects of postnatal
parental exposure. [Peer Reviewed Journal] Addictive
Behaviors. Vol 28(6) Aug 2003, 1013-1031. Elsevier Science,
United Kingdom
2. Gottlieb, Andrew R. Sons talk about their gay fathers:
Life curves. [Authored Book] Binghamton, NY, US: The
Harrington Park Press/The Haworth Press, Inc. (2003).
xviii, 183pp.
3. Guttmann, Joseph; Rosenberg, Michal. Emotional intimacy
and children>s adjustment: A comparison between single-
parent divorced and intact families. [Peer Reviewed
Journal] Educational Psychology. Vol 23(4) Sep 2003, 457-
472. Taylor & Francis, United Kingdom
4. Manning, Wendy D; Steward, Susan D; Smock, Pamela J.
The complexity of fathers' parenting responsibilities and
involvement with nonresident children. [Peer Reviewed
Journal] Journal of Family Issues. Vol 24(5) Jul 2003, 645-
667. Sage Publications, US
5. Burbach, Ann D. Parenting among fathers of young
children. [Dissertation Abstract] Dissertation Abstracts
International: Section B: the Sciences & Engineering. Vol
63(7-B), Feb 2003, 3512, US: Univ Microfilms International.
6. Gaddis, Memrie A. When little girls grow up with dead
fathers: A phenomenological study of early object loss and
later intimate relationships. [Dissertation Abstract]
Dissertation Abstracts International: Section B: the
Sciences & Engineering. Vol 63(7-B), Feb 2003, 3472, US:
Univ Microfilms International.
Or... if it>s development, mother, and BPD you>re looking
for, we>ll do some research! I>m not finding anything
obvious, but if we dig, we might find *something* related.
Which one would you like to discuss, Dr. Bob? :-)
and this applies to the rest of you soc.boyz, too!
Kali
[/quote]
This might be a bit over Bob>s head, he>s not used to
thinking.........
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HoofPrints
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Kali wrote:
[quote]In article <3F422E84.9070805@hotmail.com>, posted Tue, 19
Aug 2003 08:04:52 -0600, Bob says...
:Rauni wrote:
:> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:57:16 -0800, "Child"
:> <beth@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote:
:
:
:>>"Bob" <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
:>>news:3F3E3B8D.30307@hotmail.com...
:
:>>>Child wrote:
:
:
:>>>>so what does the mountain of research show about the kids whose fathers
:>>>>abandon them?
Which research? It>s very complex.
:>>>A growing number of MEN no longer buy that old tired feminist LIE about
:
:>>MEN.
:
:>>>Your lying days are over bigot. Nobody believes you any more.
:
:
:>>Bob, honey, please explain how a question can be a lie?
:
:
:> What lie is Bob talking about now how do women turn kids into adults
:> with BPD?
:
:Please provide the name of the college or university where you earned
:your degree in psychiatry, or psychology. Please also provide the name
:of the organization granting your certificate in psychoanalysis, or
:psychological diagnosis.
:
:Otherwise we will know that you have no idea what you are talking about
:and are blowing more smoke out your ass.
:
:Bob
One need not be a psychiatrist or psychologist to
understand the research. One need not be a qualified
diagnostician, either. And psychoanalysis? Puhleeeze.
My guess is that if the smoke were painted purple, you>d
look like Barney, Bob.
One only must have access to a research knowledge base,
such as PsycInfo, and be able to read the publications with
a critical eye.
A cursory, broad search:
father absence/ or parental absence/ or matriarchy/ or
father child communication/ or father child relations/ or
fathers/ yields 6,294 articles.
Here are a few of the most recent:
1. Fals-Stewart, Wiliam; Kelley, Michelle L; Cooke, Cathy
G; Golden, James C. Predictors of the psychosocial
adjustment of children living in households of parents in
which fathers abuse drugs. The effects of postnatal
parental exposure. [Peer Reviewed Journal] Addictive
Behaviors. Vol 28(6) Aug 2003, 1013-1031. Elsevier Science,
United Kingdom
2. Gottlieb, Andrew R. Sons talk about their gay fathers:
Life curves. [Authored Book] Binghamton, NY, US: The
Harrington Park Press/The Haworth Press, Inc. (2003).
xviii, 183pp.
3. Guttmann, Joseph; Rosenberg, Michal. Emotional intimacy
and children>s adjustment: A comparison between single-
parent divorced and intact families. [Peer Reviewed
Journal] Educational Psychology. Vol 23(4) Sep 2003, 457-
472. Taylor & Francis, United Kingdom
4. Manning, Wendy D; Steward, Susan D; Smock, Pamela J.
The complexity of fathers' parenting responsibilities and
involvement with nonresident children. [Peer Reviewed
Journal] Journal of Family Issues. Vol 24(5) Jul 2003, 645-
667. Sage Publications, US
5. Burbach, Ann D. Parenting among fathers of young
children. [Dissertation Abstract] Dissertation Abstracts
International: Section B: the Sciences & Engineering. Vol
63(7-B), Feb 2003, 3512, US: Univ Microfilms International.
6. Gaddis, Memrie A. When little girls grow up with dead
fathers: A phenomenological study of early object loss and
later intimate relationships. [Dissertation Abstract]
Dissertation Abstracts International: Section B: the
Sciences & Engineering. Vol 63(7-B), Feb 2003, 3472, US:
Univ Microfilms International.
Or... if it>s development, mother, and BPD you>re looking
for, we>ll do some research! I>m not finding anything
obvious, but if we dig, we might find *something* related.
[/quote]
Considering that most single parents are woman, the info 'wouldn>t be complete',
thanks to the court system where custody is/was generally awarded to the mother
instead of the father. So is is rather safe to assume that children with a dx
of BPD would be raised by a woman, not a father.
Perhaps the research will change or become clearer, as more and more fathers
assume the custodial care of their children, or as more fathers are granted by
the courts the responsibility of raising their children.
Hoof
[quote]
Which one would you like to discuss, Dr. Bob? :-)
and this applies to the rest of you soc.boyz, too!
Kali
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Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3F422E84.9070805@hotmail.com>...
[quote]Rauni wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:57:16 -0800, "Child"
beth@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote:
"Bob" <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3F3E3B8D.30307@hotmail.com...
Child wrote:
so what does the mountain of research show about the kids whose fathers
abandon them?
A growing number of MEN no longer buy that old tired feminist LIE about
MEN.
Your lying days are over bigot. Nobody believes you any more.
Bob, honey, please explain how a question can be a lie?
What lie is Bob talking about now how do women turn kids into adults
with BPD?
Please provide the name of the college or university where you earned
your degree in psychiatry, or psychology. Please also provide the name
of the organization granting your certificate in psychoanalysis, or
psychological diagnosis.
[/quote]
Tsk tsk Blob, you left out the "phone number" part. A sorry excuse
for a stalker you are.
[quote]Otherwise we will know that you have no idea what you are talking about
and are blowing more smoke out your ass.
Bob
[/quote]
Could you provide us with some credentials so we>ll know _you_ are?
Or at least some valid citations.
Don>t have 'em? Didn>t think so... |
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Agent Monarch
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Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3F425D57.8080902@hotmail.com>...
[quote]Rauni wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:04:52 -0600, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
Rauni wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:57:16 -0800, "Child"
beth@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote:
"Bob" <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3F3E3B8D.30307@hotmail.com...
Child wrote:
so what does the mountain of research show about the kids whose fathers
abandon them?
A growing number of MEN no longer buy that old tired feminist LIE about
MEN.
Your lying days are over bigot. Nobody believes you any more.
Bob, honey, please explain how a question can be a lie?
What lie is Bob talking about? Now how do women turn kids into adults
with BPD?
Please provide the name of the college or university where you earned
your degree in psychiatry, or psychology. Please also provide the name
of the organization granting your certificate in psychoanalysis, or
psychological diagnosis.
Otherwise we will know that you have no idea what you are talking about
and are blowing more smoke out your ass.
Bob
Couldn>t answer the question could you?
How do women turn their child into adults with BPD?
I>ve already posted several research papers. What have you posted to
prove you point?
So you have no credentials or education in psychology. You just find a
thing or two on the web and all your lies about "BPD" etc., are just
blowing smoke out your ass.
I also worked in the california mental health system
what *have you* done?
As a mop attendant? As a sheet changer? We notice you didn>t post your
credentials, the school where you graduated in psychology, or your
certification in mental health.
[/quote]
So where are yours, if we are to believe anything _you_ say?
[quote]You clearly have no clue about the etiology of mental illness
Another dim bulb claims psychological expertise and has none.
Bob
[/quote]
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HoofPrints
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Kali wrote:
[quote]In article <3F429B0E.B7EA3FFB@hotmail.com>, posted Tue, 19
Aug 2003 14:48:03 -0700, HoofPrints says...
:
:
:Rauni wrote:
:
:> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:53:04 GMT, Kali <Kali@nope.not> wrote:
:
:> >In article <3F422E84.9070805@hotmail.com>, posted Tue, 19
:> >Aug 2003 08:04:52 -0600, Bob says...
:> >:Rauni wrote:
:> >:> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:57:16 -0800, "Child"
:> >:> <beth@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote:
:> >:
:> >:
:> >:>>"Bob" <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
:> >:>>news:3F3E3B8D.30307@hotmail.com...
:> >:
:> >:>>>Child wrote:
:> >:
:> >:
:> >:>>>>so what does the mountain of research show about the kids whose fathers
:> >:>>>>abandon them?
:
:> >Which research? It>s very complex.
:
:> >:>>>A growing number of MEN no longer buy that old tired feminist LIE about
:> >:
:> >:>>MEN.
:> >:
:> >:>>>Your lying days are over bigot. Nobody believes you any more.
:> >:
:> >:
:> >:>>Bob, honey, please explain how a question can be a lie?
:> >:
:> >:
:> >:> What lie is Bob talking about now? How do women turn kids into adults
:> >:> with BPD?
:> >:
:> >:Please provide the name of the college or university where you earned
:> >:your degree in psychiatry, or psychology. Please also provide the name
:> >:of the organization granting your certificate in psychoanalysis, or
:> >:psychological diagnosis.
:> >:
:> >:Otherwise we will know that you have no idea what you are talking about
:> >:and are blowing more smoke out your ass.
:> >:
:> >:Bob
:
:> >One need not be a psychiatrist or psychologist to
:> >understand the research. One need not be a qualified
:> >diagnostician, either. And psychoanalysis? Puhleeeze.
:
:> >My guess is that if the smoke were painted purple, you>d
:> >look like Barney, Bob.
:
:> >One only must have access to a research knowledge base,
:> >such as PsycInfo, and be able to read the publications with
:> >a critical eye.
:
:> >A cursory, broad search:
:> >father absence/ or parental absence/ or matriarchy/ or
:> >father child communication/ or father child relations/ or
:> >fathers/ yields 6,294 articles.
:
:> >Here are a few of the most recent:
[...]
:> > 6. Gaddis, Memrie A. When little girls grow up with dead
:> >fathers: A phenomenological study of early object loss and
:> >later intimate relationships. [Dissertation Abstract]
:> >Dissertation Abstracts International: Section B: the
:> >Sciences & Engineering. Vol 63(7-B), Feb 2003, 3472, US:
:> >Univ Microfilms International.
:
:> >Or... if it>s development, mother, and BPD you>re looking
:> >for, we>ll do some research! I>m not finding anything
:> >obvious, but if we dig, we might find *something* related.
:
:> >Which one would you like to discuss, Dr. Bob? :-)
:
:> ><and this applies to the rest of you soc.boyz, too!
:
:> >Kali
:
:> This might be a bit over Bob>s head, he>s not used to
:> thinking.........
:
:I really must learn to go with my first inclination about our holder of the most coveted title, Med Room
:Key Holder. I actually 'goofed' again and thought you, Rauni, were not making a catty remark about
:something which you have no clue, and were making some astute assessment about why woman would be held
:the responsible party of those children who were seen and DX with BPD.
:How disappointing, I am totally 'embarrassed' to have a current license in the same field as you do!!
:Oh I forgot, your license is not current and hasn>t been for years. Your other field of endeavor
:revolves around economics and reading the Wall Street Journal.
:Hoof
Read what Rauni wrote, in context. She implied the opposite
of what you read into it. But you got pretty excited about
an opportunity to get nasty and brag about your maid>s
license, dincha? ;-)
[/quote]
I am not about to wink at you Kali!! Rauni held a lower position as I did as a Maid if you want to call it
that. her med room assignment was given to her by non other than the likes of this licensed maid.
it is no wonder that Rauni the assigned clinic person by her Tech I, LIED about her credentials on Usenet out
of fear of being called a bed pan slinger or maid.
This in no way means Rauni that what you did was right or legal and Rauni is aware of that is is forboden to
tell the public that she holds the title of Psychiatric Nurse. her reasoning was because "It was easier" for
her as most persons have a basic understanding of what a psychiatric nurse is, while a psychiatric technician
is hard for her to explain. Your assertions are evidence of that fact. In fact you can also find an
explanation of the field at Findlaw under the Bus and Professions Code for California.
Not only did she lie, but she has little knowledge of the hierarchy within the state hospital structure as to
who is over whom.
[quote]
btw, What>s wrong with reading the Wall Street Journal?
[/quote]
Nothing
[quote]
:Confidentially Kali, in order for a clear picture to emerge over which sex raises their children to be
:BPD,
That>s not the question.
: you would have to ask the courts about the number of men who were awarded custody of their children
I>m not talking about sociological research, either.
[/quote]
If there is no data available because single fathers are doing a good job raising their children, and so
therefore are not taking their children into a psychologist or their children are not being seen by a school
psychologist there is no data to be searched. Now watch someone start to haul children of single fathers into
the school psychologist so that the vast infrastructure of recorded data can begin.
[quote]
:and gather data to what ratio of those men awarded custody of their children, ended up in the psych arena
:being dx as BPD.
Now we are concerned with how many fathers have been
diagnosed with a personality disorder?
[/quote]
Who takes things out of context???
[quote]
:Then compare those figures with the number of single women whose children were consequently dx with BPD.
This is sociological research, the design of which would
yield custodial data on a special adult population (bpd).
The topic was the claim by soc.boyz (Blob especially) that
mothers cause psychological disorders in their children,
which is the old stereotypical (and wrong) mother-blame
bologna spouted by the bitter boyz. If one is going to
refute that claim, then psychological research about
environmental factors (maternal) toward the development of
psychological disorders should be reviewed.
[/quote]
DUH!!! That is what i said only, if there is no recorded data you cannot support your claim that they are
worse parents.
It is stereotypical for a reason, the reason is because "generally" the Courts award custody to the mother,
not the father. So naturally the data would be slanted to reflect on the single mother.
Hoof
[quote]
:of course non of this includes the fact that psychinfo would only pertain to those children who were seen
:by a psych professional and duly recorded in the psych info notes or that psych info would have
:incomplete data because they did not gather information from the individual courts to actually know the
:exact number of fathers who were awarded custody of their children and base their studies on that.
PsycInfo is a database of all existing peer-reviewed
psychological research. It wouldn>t "only pertain" to
anything. Anyway, we are not discussing custodianship. We
were discussing parental factors in the development of a
psychological disorder. No court data are required. And
again: Children aren>t diagnosed with bpd, only adults.
:For all psych info knows, there are a number of single dads whose children were not raised to be BPD.
What does this tell us? Nothing. There are also a number of
single moms, two parent families, custodial grandparents,
etc., who raised children who never developed bpd. This
reasoning fails. And this wasn>t the point.
If
:they were not raised to be BPD there would be no reason to include those children in the count.
Have fun with your sociological research.
:And yes, kali, I did have access to psych info when I was a student.
Which means what, precisely, in the context of the exchange
here? Except that you don>t seem to understand what
PsycInfo is. It is only a database. It does not conduct
research.
Everyone near a university library has access to PsycInfo.
Or one can get paid access via the web at apa.org and other
places.
Kali
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:44:55 GMT, Kali <Kali@nope.not> wrote:
[quote]In article <3F429B0E.B7EA3FFB@hotmail.com>, posted Tue, 19
Aug 2003 14:48:03 -0700, HoofPrints says...
:
:
:Rauni wrote:
:
:> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:53:04 GMT, Kali <Kali@nope.not> wrote:
:
:> >In article <3F422E84.9070805@hotmail.com>, posted Tue, 19
:> >Aug 2003 08:04:52 -0600, Bob says...
:> >:Rauni wrote:
:> >:> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:57:16 -0800, "Child"
:> >:> <beth@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote:
:> >:
:> >:
:> >:>>"Bob" <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
:> >:>>news:3F3E3B8D.30307@hotmail.com...
:> >:
:> >:>>>Child wrote:
:> >:
:> >:
:> >:>>>>so what does the mountain of research show about the kids whose fathers
:> >:>>>>abandon them?
:
:> >Which research? It>s very complex.
:
:> >:>>>A growing number of MEN no longer buy that old tired feminist LIE about
:> >:
:> >:>>MEN.
:> >:
:> >:>>>Your lying days are over bigot. Nobody believes you any more.
:> >:
:> >:
:> >:>>Bob, honey, please explain how a question can be a lie?
:> >:
:> >:
:> >:> What lie is Bob talking about now? How do women turn kids into adults
:> >:> with BPD?
:> >:
:> >:Please provide the name of the college or university where you earned
:> >:your degree in psychiatry, or psychology. Please also provide the name
:> >:of the organization granting your certificate in psychoanalysis, or
:> >:psychological diagnosis.
:> >:
:> >:Otherwise we will know that you have no idea what you are talking about
:> >:and are blowing more smoke out your ass.
:> >:
:> >:Bob
:
:> >One need not be a psychiatrist or psychologist to
:> >understand the research. One need not be a qualified
:> >diagnostician, either. And psychoanalysis? Puhleeeze.
:
:> >My guess is that if the smoke were painted purple, you>d
:> >look like Barney, Bob.
:
:> >One only must have access to a research knowledge base,
:> >such as PsycInfo, and be able to read the publications with
:> >a critical eye.
:
:> >A cursory, broad search:
:> >father absence/ or parental absence/ or matriarchy/ or
:> >father child communication/ or father child relations/ or
:> >fathers/ yields 6,294 articles.
:
:> >Here are a few of the most recent:
[...]
:> > 6. Gaddis, Memrie A. When little girls grow up with dead
:> >fathers: A phenomenological study of early object loss and
:> >later intimate relationships. [Dissertation Abstract]
:> >Dissertation Abstracts International: Section B: the
:> >Sciences & Engineering. Vol 63(7-B), Feb 2003, 3472, US:
:> >Univ Microfilms International.
:
:> >Or... if it>s development, mother, and BPD you>re looking
:> >for, we>ll do some research! I>m not finding anything
:> >obvious, but if we dig, we might find *something* related.
:
:> >Which one would you like to discuss, Dr. Bob? :-)
:
:> ><and this applies to the rest of you soc.boyz, too!
:
:> >Kali
:
:> This might be a bit over Bob>s head, he>s not used to
:> thinking.........
:
:I really must learn to go with my first inclination about our holder of the most coveted title, Med Room
:Key Holder. I actually 'goofed' again and thought you, Rauni, were not making a catty remark about
:something which you have no clue, and were making some astute assessment about why woman would be held
:the responsible party of those children who were seen and DX with BPD.
:How disappointing, I am totally 'embarrassed' to have a current license in the same field as you do!!
:Oh I forgot, your license is not current and hasn>t been for years. Your other field of endeavor
:revolves around economics and reading the Wall Street Journal.
:Hoof
Read what Rauni wrote, in context. She implied the opposite
of what you read into it. But you got pretty excited about
an opportunity to get nasty and brag about your maid>s
license, dincha? ;-)
btw, What>s wrong with reading the Wall Street Journal?
[/quote]
She prolly doesn>t have any reason to read it living in a trailer like
she does.
And as usual Goofy information is wrong, my license is current.
And unlike her I have a degree in psych.
BTW I don>t read Wall Street Journal. I read Barron>s
[quote]
:Confidentially Kali, in order for a clear picture to emerge over which sex raises their children to be
:BPD,
That>s not the question.
No shit
: you would have to ask the courts about the number of men who were awarded custody of their children
I>m not talking about sociological research, either.
:and gather data to what ratio of those men awarded custody of their children, ended up in the psych arena
:being dx as BPD.
Now we are concerned with how many fathers have been
diagnosed with a personality disorder?
:Then compare those figures with the number of single women whose children were consequently dx with BPD.
This is sociological research, the design of which would
yield custodial data on a special adult population (bpd).
The topic was the claim by soc.boyz (Blob especially) that
mothers cause psychological disorders in their children,
which is the old stereotypical (and wrong) mother-blame
bologna spouted by the bitter boyz. If one is going to
refute that claim, then psychological research about
environmental factors (maternal) toward the development of
psychological disorders should be reviewed.
Yup and Bob has yet to prove that assertion.
:of course non of this includes the fact that psychinfo would only pertain to those children who were seen
:by a psych professional and duly recorded in the psych info notes or that psych info would have
:incomplete data because they did not gather information from the individual courts to actually know the
:exact number of fathers who were awarded custody of their children and base their studies on that.
PsycInfo is a database of all existing peer-reviewed
psychological research. It wouldn>t "only pertain" to
anything. Anyway, we are not discussing custodianship. We
were discussing parental factors in the development of a
psychological disorder. No court data are required. And
again: Children aren>t diagnosed with bpd, only adults.
:For all psych info knows, there are a number of single dads whose children were not raised to be BPD.
What does this tell us? Nothing. There are also a number of
single moms, two parent families, custodial grandparents,
etc., who raised children who never developed bpd. This
reasoning fails. And this wasn>t the point.
If
:they were not raised to be BPD there would be no reason to include those children in the count.
Have fun with your sociological research.
:And yes, kali, I did have access to psych info when I was a student.
Which means what, precisely, in the context of the exchange
here? Except that you don>t seem to understand what
PsycInfo is. It is only a database. It does not conduct
research.
Everyone near a university library has access to PsycInfo.
Or one can get paid access via the web at apa.org and other
places.
Kali[/quote] |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Behaviors that may indicate BPD |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:34:39 GMT, Kali <Kali@nope.not> wrote:
[quote]In article <3F42CAAC.AAB9B90B@hotmail.com>, posted Tue, 19
Aug 2003 18:11:20 -0700, HoofPrints says...
:
:
:Kali wrote:
:
:> In article <3F429B0E.B7EA3FFB@hotmail.com>, posted Tue, 19
:> Aug 2003 14:48:03 -0700, HoofPrints says...
:> :
:> :
:> :Rauni wrote:
:> :
:> :> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:53:04 GMT, Kali <Kali@nope.not> wrote:
:> :
:> :> >In article <3F422E84.9070805@hotmail.com>, posted Tue, 19
:> :> >Aug 2003 08:04:52 -0600, Bob says...
:> :> >:Rauni wrote:
:> :> >:> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:57:16 -0800, "Child"
:> :> >:> <beth@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote:
:> :> >:
:> :> >:
:> :> >:>>"Bob" <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
:> :> >:>>news:3F3E3B8D.30307@hotmail.com...
:> :> >:
:> :> >:>>>Child wrote:
:> :> >:
:> :> >:
:> :> >:>>>>so what does the mountain of research show about the kids whose fathers
:> :> >:>>>>abandon them?
:> :
:> :> >Which research? It>s very complex.
:> :
:> :> >:>>>A growing number of MEN no longer buy that old tired feminist LIE about
:> :> >:
:> :> >:>>MEN.
:> :> >:
:> :> >:>>>Your lying days are over bigot. Nobody believes you any more.
:> :> >:
:> :> >:
:> :> >:>>Bob, honey, please explain how a question can be a lie?
:> :> >:
:> :> >:
:> :> >:> What lie is Bob talking about now? How do women turn kids into adults
:> :> >:> with BPD?
:> :> >:
:> :> >:Please provide the name of the college or university where you earned
:> :> >:your degree in psychiatry, or psychology. Please also provide the name
:> :> >:of the organization granting your certificate in psychoanalysis, or
:> :> >:psychological diagnosis.
:> :> >:
:> :> >:Otherwise we will know that you have no idea what you are talking about
:> :> >:and are blowing more smoke out your ass.
:> :> >:
:> :> >:Bob
:> :
:> :> >One need not be a psychiatrist or psychologist to
:> :> >understand the research. One need not be a qualified
:> :> >diagnostician, either. And psychoanalysis? Puhleeeze.
:> :
:> :> >My guess is that if the smoke were painted purple, you>d
:> :> >look like Barney, Bob.
:> :
:> :> >One only must have access to a research knowledge base,
:> :> >such as PsycInfo, and be able to read the publications with
:> :> >a critical eye.
:> :
:> :> >A cursory, broad search:
:> :> >father absence/ or parental absence/ or matriarchy/ or
:> :> >father child communication/ or father child relations/ or
:> :> >fathers/ yields 6,294 articles.
:> :
:> :> >Here are a few of the most recent:
:
:> [...]
:
:> :> > 6. Gaddis, Memrie A. When little girls grow up with dead
:> :> >fathers: A phenomenological study of early object loss and
:> :> >later intimate relationships. [Dissertation Abstract]
:> :> >Dissertation Abstracts International: Section B: the
:> :> >Sciences & Engineering. Vol 63(7-B), Feb 2003, 3472, US:
:> :> >Univ Microfilms International.
:> :
:> :> >Or... if it>s development, mother, and BPD you>re looking
:> :> >for, we>ll do some research! I>m not finding anything
:> :> >obvious, but if we dig, we might find *something* related.
:> :
:> :> >Which one would you like to discuss, Dr. Bob? :-)
:> :
:> :> ><and this applies to the rest of you soc.boyz, too!
:> :
:> :> >Kali
:> :
:> :> This might be a bit over Bob>s head, he>s not used to
:> :> thinking.........
:> :
:> :I really must learn to go with my first inclination about our holder of the most coveted title, Med Room
:> :Key Holder. I actually 'goofed' again and thought you, Rauni, were not making a catty remark about
:> :something which you have no clue, and were making some astute assessment about why woman would be held
:> :the responsible party of those children who were seen and DX with BPD.
:> :How disappointing, I am totally 'embarrassed' to have a current license in the same field as you do!!
:> :Oh I forgot, your license is not current and hasn>t been for years. Your other field of endeavor
:> :revolves around economics and reading the Wall Street Journal.
:> :Hoof
:
:> Read what Rauni wrote, in context. She implied the opposite
:> of what you read into it. But you got pretty excited about
:> an opportunity to get nasty and brag about your maid>s
:> license, dincha? ;-)
:
:I am not about to wink at you Kali!! Rauni held a lower position as I did as a Maid if you want to call it
:that.
So what?
[/quote]
Yawn most people have never heard of psych techs and I never pretended
to be a RN. In fact I corrected a few people who thought I was one.
Not to mention this is the Usenet it>s not I am practicing medicine
online. I guess goofy missed the fact that we are licensed by the
board of Vocational Nursing and Psychiatric Technicians. When I went
to school we were told over and over we were nurses.
[quote]: Your assertions are evidence of that fact.
How so?
In fact you can also find an
:explanation of the field at Findlaw under the Bus and Professions Code for California.
Well, if I gave a shit, I>d look it up.
[/quote]
Oh give it up I broke no law. I wasn>t practicing medicine on line
[quote]
:Not only did she lie, but she has little knowledge of the hierarchy within the state hospital structure as to
:who is over whom.
[/quote]
Yawn it was an silly error but go right ahead and run with it.... you
seem to need all the all self importance you can invent.
It must suck to be you
[quote]
So what?
You>re really big on status, aren>t you?
Apparently
:> btw, What>s wrong with reading the Wall Street Journal?
:
:Nothing
:
Must be why she brought it up
:
:
:> :Confidentially Kali, in order for a clear picture to emerge over which sex raises their children to be
:> :BPD,
:
:> That>s not the question.
:
:> : you would have to ask the courts about the number of men who were awarded custody of their children
:
:> I>m not talking about sociological research, either.
:
:If there is no data available because single fathers are doing a good job raising their children, and so
:therefore are not taking their children into a psychologist or their children are not being seen by a school
:psychologist there is no data to be searched. Now watch someone start to haul children of single fathers into
:the school psychologist so that the vast infrastructure of recorded data can begin.
Nah. Won>t happen. Why not, you ask? Because of the simple
fact that if a child is developing psychological problems,
it may have absolutely nothing to do with the gender of the
parent. Or it could be trauma from
separation/divorce/death, or any number of other adjustment
issues. It could have something to do with a genetic
vulnerability. It could be a nasty teacher, or a physical
illness, or any number of things.
Fathers (and mothers) could be excellent parents, and have
distressed children. And this doesn>t mean that child will
develop a personality disorder later in life, either. Or
they could be terrible parents, but the child never
develops bpd.
:> :and gather data to what ratio of those men awarded custody of their children, ended up in the psych arena
:> :being dx as BPD.
:
:> Now we are concerned with how many fathers have been
:> diagnosed with a personality disorder?
:
:Who takes things out of context???
Wha? You said, "what ratio (percentage?) of those men ...
ended up ... dx with bpd." *shrug* So are you saying you
worded it that way cuz you were feeling lazy or somethin'?
:> :Then compare those figures with the number of single women whose children were consequently dx with BPD.
:
:> This is sociological research, the design of which would
:> yield custodial data on a special adult population (bpd).
:
:> The topic was the claim by soc.boyz (Blob especially) that
:> mothers cause psychological disorders in their children,
:> which is the old stereotypical (and wrong) mother-blame
:> bologna spouted by the bitter boyz. If one is going to
:> refute that claim, then psychological research about
:> environmental factors (maternal) toward the development of
:> psychological disorders should be reviewed.
:
:DUH!!! That is what i said only, if there is no recorded data you cannot support your claim that they are
:worse parents.
We don>t want to know "if fathers or mothers are 'worse'
parents." Do we? Isn>t that a silly question?
:It is stereotypical for a reason, the reason is because "generally" the Courts award custody to the mother,
:not the father. So naturally the data would be slanted to reflect on the single mother.
:Hoof
Your sociological data would.
Kali
[/quote]
So are we ever going to hear the answer to the question? Are we going
to get any data from the soc.men crowd? How are women responsible for
raising BPD adults?
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Kali wrote:
[quote]In article <3F42CAAC.AAB9B90B@hotmail.com>, posted Tue, 19
Aug 2003 18:11:20 -0700, HoofPrints says...
:
:
:Kali wrote:
:
:> In article <3F429B0E.B7EA3FFB@hotmail.com>, posted Tue, 19
:> Aug 2003 14:48:03 -0700, HoofPrints says...
:> :
:> :
:> :Rauni wrote:
:> :
:> :> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:53:04 GMT, Kali <Kali@nope.not> wrote:
:> :
:> :> >In article <3F422E84.9070805@hotmail.com>, posted Tue, 19
:> :> >Aug 2003 08:04:52 -0600, Bob says...
:> :> >:Rauni wrote:
:> :> >:> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:57:16 -0800, "Child"
:> :> >:> <beth@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote:
:> :> >:
:> :> >:
:> :> >:>>"Bob" <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
:> :> >:>>news:3F3E3B8D.30307@hotmail.com...
:> :> >:
:> :> >:>>>Child wrote:
:> :> >:
:> :> >:
:> :> >:>>>>so what does the mountain of research show about the kids whose fathers
:> :> >:>>>>abandon them?
:> :
:> :> >Which research? It>s very complex.
:> :
:> :> >:>>>A growing number of MEN no longer buy that old tired feminist LIE about
:> :> >:
:> :> >:>>MEN.
:> :> >:
:> :> >:>>>Your lying days are over bigot. Nobody believes you any more.
:> :> >:
:> :> >:
:> :> >:>>Bob, honey, please explain how a question can be a lie?
:> :> >:
:> :> >:
:> :> >:> What lie is Bob talking about now? How do women turn kids into adults
:> :> >:> with BPD?
:> :> >:
:> :> >:Please provide the name of the college or university where you earned
:> :> >:your degree in psychiatry, or psychology. Please also provide the name
:> :> >:of the organization granting your certificate in psychoanalysis, or
:> :> >:psychological diagnosis.
:> :> >:
:> :> >:Otherwise we will know that you have no idea what you are talking about
:> :> >:and are blowing more smoke out your ass.
:> :> >:
:> :> >:Bob
:> :
:> :> >One need not be a psychiatrist or psychologist to
:> :> >understand the research. One need not be a qualified
:> :> >diagnostician, either. And psychoanalysis? Puhleeeze.
:> :
:> :> >My guess is that if the smoke were painted purple, you>d
:> :> >look like Barney, Bob.
:> :
:> :> >One only must have access to a research knowledge base,
:> :> >such as PsycInfo, and be able to read the publications with
:> :> >a critical eye.
:> :
:> :> >A cursory, broad search:
:> :> >father absence/ or parental absence/ or matriarchy/ or
:> :> >father child communication/ or father child relations/ or
:> :> >fathers/ yields 6,294 articles.
:> :
:> :> >Here are a few of the most recent:
:
:> [...]
:
:> :> > 6. Gaddis, Memrie A. When little girls grow up with dead
:> :> >fathers: A phenomenological study of early object loss and
:> :> >later intimate relationships. [Dissertation Abstract]
:> :> >Dissertation Abstracts International: Section B: the
:> :> >Sciences & Engineering. Vol 63(7-B), Feb 2003, 3472, US:
:> :> >Univ Microfilms International.
:> :
:> :> >Or... if it>s development, mother, and BPD you>re looking
:> :> >for, we>ll do some research! I>m not finding anything
:> :> >obvious, but if we dig, we might find *something* related.
:> :
:> :> >Which one would you like to discuss, Dr. Bob? :-)
:> :
:> :> ><and this applies to the rest of you soc.boyz, too!
:> :
:> :> >Kali
:> :
:> :> This might be a bit over Bob>s head, he>s not used to
:> :> thinking.........
:> :
:> :I really must learn to go with my first inclination about our holder of the most coveted title, Med Room
:> :Key Holder. I actually 'goofed' again and thought you, Rauni, were not making a catty remark about
:> :something which you have no clue, and were making some astute assessment about why woman would be held
:> :the responsible party of those children who were seen and DX with BPD.
:> :How disappointing, I am totally 'embarrassed' to have a current license in the same field as you do!!
:> :Oh I forgot, your license is not current and hasn>t been for years. Your other field of endeavor
:> :revolves around economics and reading the Wall Street Journal.
:> :Hoof
:
:> Read what Rauni wrote, in context. She implied the opposite
:> of what you read into it. But you got pretty excited about
:> an opportunity to get nasty and brag about your maid>s
:> license, dincha? ;-)
:
:I am not about to wink at you Kali!! Rauni held a lower position as I did as a Maid if you want to call it
:that.
So what?
her med room assignment was given to her by non other
than the likes of this licensed maid.
So what?
:it is no wonder that Rauni the assigned clinic person by her Tech I, LIED about her credentials on Usenet out
:of fear of being called a bed pan slinger or maid.
She lied?
:This in no way means Rauni that what you did was right or legal and Rauni is aware of that is is forboden to
:tell the public that she holds the title of Psychiatric Nurse. her reasoning was because "It was easier" for
:her as most persons have a basic understanding of what a psychiatric nurse is, while a psychiatric technician
:is hard for her to explain.
Hmm.
: Your assertions are evidence of that fact.
How so?
In fact you can also find an
:explanation of the field at Findlaw under the Bus and Professions Code for California.
Well, if I gave a shit, I>d look it up.
:Not only did she lie, but she has little knowledge of the hierarchy within the state hospital structure as to
:who is over whom.
So what?
You>re really big on status, aren>t you?
[/quote]
You seem to be the one big on status, not I. I am comfortable with who I am and I have never lied about my past
job title. The fact that I have never lied has been the causation of many personal assaults about my job title,
lack of a degree in Bull Shitting, and when I mentioned to someone that I did not finish Paralegal it also became a
means of pounding me into the ground. You seem to be hung up on the fact that I am not interested in pursuing a
degree in Bull shitting in the psychology field.
[quote]
:> btw, What>s wrong with reading the Wall Street Journal?
:
:Nothing
:
:
:
:> :Confidentially Kali, in order for a clear picture to emerge over which sex raises their children to be
:> :BPD,
:
:> That>s not the question.
:
:> : you would have to ask the courts about the number of men who were awarded custody of their children
:
:> I>m not talking about sociological research, either.
:
:If there is no data available because single fathers are doing a good job raising their children, and so
:therefore are not taking their children into a psychologist or their children are not being seen by a school
:psychologist there is no data to be searched. Now watch someone start to haul children of single fathers into
:the school psychologist so that the vast infrastructure of recorded data can begin.
Nah. Won>t happen. Why not, you ask? Because of the simple
fact that if a child is developing psychological problems,
it may have absolutely nothing to do with the gender of the
parent. Or it could be trauma from
separation/divorce/death, or any number of other adjustment
issues. It could have something to do with a genetic
vulnerability. It could be a nasty teacher, or a physical
illness, or any number of things.
[/quote]
Agreed, but the fact remains that past data has pointed its finger at single moms, or you and yours would n ot be
so apt to defend the position of single moms and call men misogynists (sp) when they complain that their ex- spouse
did XYZ .
[quote]
Fathers (and mothers) could be excellent parents, and have
distressed children. And this doesn>t mean that child will
develop a personality disorder later in life, either. Or
they could be terrible parents, but the child never
develops bpd.
[/quote]
ARe you saying there has never been a child dx with manic-depressive disorder, which was the label of bygone years
before it was changed to BPD?
[quote]
:> :and gather data to what ratio of those men awarded custody of their children, ended up in the psych arena
:> :being dx as BPD.
:
:> Now we are concerned with how many fathers have been
:> diagnosed with a personality disorder?
:
:Who takes things out of context???
Wha? You said, "what ratio (percentage?) of those men ...
ended up ... dx with bpd." *shrug* So are you saying you
worded it that way cuz you were feeling lazy or somethin'?
[/quote]
I see your point, but you know that I was talking about the children of single dads being dx with BPD not the dad.
[quote]
:> :Then compare those figures with the number of single women whose children were consequently dx with BPD.
:
:> This is sociological research, the design of which would
:> yield custodial data on a special adult population (bpd).
:
:> The topic was the claim by soc.boyz (Blob especially) that
:> mothers cause psychological disorders in their children,
:> which is the old stereotypical (and wrong) mother-blame
:> bologna spouted by the bitter boyz. If one is going to
:> refute that claim, then psychological research about
:> environmental factors (maternal) toward the development of
:> psychological disorders should be reviewed.
:
:DUH!!! That is what i said only, if there is no recorded data you cannot support your claim that they are
:worse parents.
:It is stereotypical for a reason, the reason is because "generally" the Courts award custody to the mother,
:not the father. So naturally the data would be slanted to reflect on the single mother.
:Hoof
Your sociological data would.
[/quote]
Are you denying that the majority of single parent homes are woman? ANd therefore any data collected on the child
wouldn>t include that fact as a part of the child>s history?
Good night Kali,
Big Brother is on in a few minutes and I want to see who gets the power of veto.
Hoof
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Kali
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jeanette rauni wrote:
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[quote]When I went
to school we were told over and over we were nurses.
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